To my understanding, 3 FSO's have been killed in Iraq in 5 years. 3!
FIRE THEM!
Why not advocate clearing out those FSOs now ????
After all a Republican is President right now so why wait until next election???
Sure that would be great public relationship for Bush. You are either with us or against us !!!
Anyone who refuses should be fired immediately on the spot !!
A few should be prosecuted for breaking their oaths !!
Oh and today's Gallup Poll did make it official: he finally beat out Nixon for the bottom position. WORST PRESIDENT EVER !!
so why wait until next election???
Neologizer, I suspect it relates to that "new tone" thingy. Hopefully, the next president will have a new, leaner and meaner tone.
I agree neologizer, fire them TODAY.
Foreign Service Officer means just that: Foreign. If you take the job and the beneifts, you accept the assignments. Period.
FSOs are protected by civil service regs and can't be simply fired. However if they refuse an assignment...
Could be a good excuse to get rid of some of the leftists.
I agree. If they don't want to do their job, then they shouldn't have it.
Actually, there are laws against firing bureaucrats for policy reasons. I am pretty sure that it's the Public Services Act which is the main one that applies. Now, if you want presidents to break existing laws, that's another issue entirely...
Gad Zooks! Do I hear Reagan and air traffic controllers? Fire them, one and all. No wait, take them to Burma and THEN fire them! If I worked for a McDonalds store and my boss said she needed me to work at one of the icky branches in a nasty neighborhood, guess what. Either I work where she needs me or I find another job. Shame on those State Department parisites.
Its easy for us to criticize other civilians when we sit on our computers in our nice air-conditioned rooms.
I agree they signed up for a job and should do it.
But being a father/grandfather/husband...I can understand their concern. They are being sent to a war zone (I dont care about that sign that said Mission Accomplished)
I make it go further...
Why not make Condi serve over there for 1yr?
You guys said very glib in sending civilians into a combat zone. I dont exactly see alot of you guys lining up to take their place.
The vets can have the State Department. All of them should be replaced.
'Planet in Peril:'
'Claudia A. McMurray is the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Oceans, Environment and Science.'
Notice oceans. Artic. 'Planet in Peril' was the original excuse for going after artic land and water.
The US is passing a treaty for Law of the Sea that taxes the artic. The natives own it, but, apparently the UN does now. It's native month and the treaty is about to be signed giving ownership of the land and water to the UN.
The next article was about the 'state of emergency;' needed to seize the artic waters and lands.
stevo, they have mercenaries, Marines, and State Department security to guard them. One has been killed in Iraq. During the same time period, several have been killed in other countries.
I think the ones who refuse should be shifted out of State. Either fired or transfered to another Department - at severe reduction in pay grade. Then, offer the jobs to wounded veterans.
Kahn,
Oh I agree they have good protection. But you are still asking civilians to post to a war zone.
Given the dearth in FOS staffing, I dont see anyone on here volunteering to fill their shoes.
Further, the spots are open. So wounded vets can apply. But they havent. You do know what veterans preference is in civil service right?
There is nothing higher than a combat injured vet. You live up by DC you should know that.
Additionally 3 have been killed in Iraq.
Like I said before...its easy for us to sit here in our air conditioned rooms, tapping away on computers to judge a civilian that doesn't want to go to a war zone.
If its that safe over there (like you suggested in your posting), then rotate Condi over there for a year.
stevo - what a stupid argument, rotate Condi over there for a year? You don't think she's already a target? The Secretary of State has civilian clothes Marines as body-guards. And thats ALL the time. The only Department Head to get that, I believe. Everyone else gets Secret Service. You see, the State Department is actually not civilians. It is diplomats and Foreign Service Officers. Look THAT up.
As to the wounded military... I'm saying go recruit them.
I have little tolerance for FSO's that shirk their oath. They don't want the job, then quit. That is perfectly acceptable. But to take a job and then refuse to step up to the requirements? To hell with that.
Given the dearth in FOS staffing, I dont see anyone on here volunteering to fill their shoes.
I'll volunteer. Give me the pay, the pension and the benefits and I will definitely go to Iraq.
Kahn,
Calm down man. Its just a debate.
I suggested that Condi go over because YOU said it was SAFE. That only 1 state department employee had died in 4+yrs.
If it is THAT safe..then rotate her over. Either its safe (like you claimed it is) or it is not.
As for FSO's not being civilians...uhmmmm are they military? Nope. So they are civilians. You can spin it anyway you want. But you are asking unarmed citizens to go to a war zone. Which is easy for YOU to do..because you are sitting fat and happy in your airconditioned house tapping away on a keyboard.
I'll volunteer. Give me the pay, the pension and the benefits and I will definitely go to Iraq.
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http://careers.state.gov/officer/register.html
There is a test date coming up the first week of Dec.
Let us know how it turns out!
No test, no app. Just give me the pay and the benefits and I will take the place of the little whiners that currently occupy those cushy government jobs and go to Iraq.
But you are asking unarmed citizens to go to a war zone.
What are you half woman? We're asking FSO employees to fulfill their job description. They become "unarmed citizens" again, if they quit their current job.
Notice how the fact that people are emotional is some kind of target, claiming the one who is emotional has less credibility. It's bogus. Psychopathic Personalities lash out at emotions because they are afraid of them. Psychopaths are afraid of emotions because they do not understand them, because of they have poor emotional response, a defect, and they have very little emotions themselves. They are afraid of what they don't understand.
No test, no app. Just give me the pay and the benefits....
Posted by: neocon
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Yeah I kinda figured you would say that. Looking for a government handout.
Cant even be bothered to take a little ol' test.
Like i said before: It's easy for YOU to tell an unarmed US Citizen to go to Iraq...while you sit on your rather large butt tapping away on a keyboard in your airconditioned house.
You are so lazy you cant even be bothered taking a test to get the job.
hahahahahhaahahhaahahahahahah!
What are you on welfare?
I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/11/re-foreign-service-officer-gives-some.html