I always new Paetreus was the right man for the job. Its unfortunate that we had to deal with the incompetent generals for 4+yrs until he came along.

By the way, whats the report on southern Iraq?

Foxnews/MSM?blogs are not carrying any news out of there.

Only the BBC and NPR is.

Odd.

U.S. Military and Iraqi civilian deaths are down.

We've won.

As we survey the battlefield we see the remnants of death, disease, and destruction. And yet we have found no weapons of mass destruction. No double talk, no conspiracy stuff about them being transported out in the middle of the night.

We've won.

We have a U.S. Contractor about to thrown out of Iraq because of the allegations of excessive violence against the Iraqi people themselves.

We've won.

The Kurds and the Turkish are about to go nose to nose.

We've won.

We've spent half a trillion dollars. Had Billions just "disappear". Had bank robberies in Iraq where hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen.

We've won.

If we went in there for the oil, (darn that Greenspan) we don't have an oil benchmark yet either.

We've won.

Most of the people in the world hold the United States of America in contempt.

We've won.

Our incredible Iraqi Embassy is not open yet, faulty construction everywhere.

I could go on and on.

Your victory is hollow. Can we wander freely outside of the green zone? Are M-16's and Abrams tanks going to be an everlasting part of the Iraqi landscape?

We've actually made the Middle East an absolute mess.

We've won.

Get out your champagne glasses and toast yourselves and your Commander in Chief.

You've won.

Reminds me of an old Gahan Wilson cartoon where a soldier, scarred and bloodied, stands with his giant weapon in a field of utter and total destruction, not another living soul from horizon to horizon, and exclaims " I think we won."

Mark, this is such great and hopeful news about the progress that is being made in Iraq. What is occurring is what we had all hoped for and first saw a glimmer during the Iraqi elections, the courage of the Iraqi people stepping up and fighting for their right to be free and to live peaceful lives. Over the last couple of years, I believe the biggest frustration for most americans was that we didn't seem to be on the offensive on Iraq, that we were not kicking butt and taking it to the enemy. But mistakes are made in all wars, and in comparison to previous wars, we have not done too badly in the mistakes department. What is surreal has been what you describe in your post, that while we have been fighting this war, one political party and half the country were actively doing everything possible for us to lose the war, primarily to hurt President George W. Bush. But knowing the man President Bush, so modest and genuine, he does not want any credit if we are victorious in this war. President Bush would be just as happy to go back home after his term ends and let others take credit for victory. Knowing that he did what he thought was best for the country is what has always motivated President Bush. And thats why we love him.

By the way, whats the report on southern Iraq?

Why don't you read Mark's thread about Michael Yon, you stupid b*stard, and quit going to the BBC and NPR?

We've actually made the Middle East an absolute mess.

What are you, 14? The Middle East has been a mess for decades, and wasn't getting any better. Carter/Clinton diplomacy did absolutely nothing, except isolate the real news from the American people. Jerk. Your talking points have been parroted here for years. Just read any of Broder's posts.

Mark, as Charlie Gibson said the other night, "The news from Iraq is, there is no news."
Translation: If it don't bleed, it don't lead.

Lt. Murphy wins the only Congressional Medal of Honor awarded for the battle of Afghanistan, and it gets scant coverage in the drive-by media. None by NBC or CNN.

Drive-by media creed: "We support the troops, but only when they come back dead, maimed, or under indictment for misdeeds."

"Your victory is hollow. Can we wander freely outside of the green zone? Are M-16's and Abrams tanks going to be an everlasting part of the Iraqi landscape?"

A typical defeatocrat theory...or is that mentality?

Victory doesn't always come in the form of a signed document or two opponents shaking hands--like you'd like to do with AQI/Barr..Osama Bin Laden--in front of the DBM. No, the world has changed post 911 and if the left doesn't get that, then I'd say it is the left that won't change course...loser.

Congressive and agentfear both suffer from BDS and worst of all, a fear of success.
This condition runs rampant within the Defeatocrat Lemming Class and if not corrected, could lead to erectile dysfunction....LOL!

Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch; remember that name. As many have gone before him, when his commission is up and he can speak "freely" he too will be labeled a Limbaugh Phony.

steveocar wrote - "I always new Paetreus was the right man for the job. Its unfortunate that we had to deal with the incompetent generals for 4+yrs until he came along."

ahhh steveo - it was those "incompetent generals"
who warned IN ADVANCE that rummy's lean machine didn't have near enough troops to enforce an occupation. course they were run-off.

it was the "incompetent assumptions" made by our civilian leadership that resulted 4+ wasted years & thousands killed & wounded.

Navydad

I don't think you answered AgentFear's question as to whether you can wander freely outside of the Green Zone?

You mouth a lot of talking points; 9-11 changed everything, etc., etc., but you failed to address his question.

So CO, is "walking outside the Green Zone" the barometer for success in Iraq? If so, if you have ever been to south central Los Angeles around midnight, you'd know that your reasoning is faulty.

From what I understand--first hand--from my two friends children serving in Iraq, no westerner is safe, however, the declining number of coalition deaths is proof enough that "walking outside the Green Zone" must be achievable...now isn't it?

BTW, the Iraqi population is walking outside the Green Zone "freely", so is this a barometer for success??

CO, for 24 years, Saddam's daily average for civilian deaths was between 70 and 125 per day, and now that you've brought it to my attention, I'll refresh your pathetic little memory regarding Saddam's reign of terror....it was brutal!! And anyone that believes that Iraq was better before the invasion (on a humanitarian level)is only fooling themselves.

I know...I know, "but where are the WMD's?"

If they were up your ars...you'd know where they were...lol!

Alba, 19 Oct. (AKI) - A young Pakistani woman, Hina Saleem, murdered by her father last year in northern Italy in an 'honour killing' will be remembered in an innovative afternoon of Arab and Italian poetry readings and music next month in the northern town of Alba.

Hina, who dressed in western clothes, worked in a pizzeria in the northern town of Sarezzo and lived with her Italian boyfriend was found with her throat slit buried in the garden of her family home, her head facing Mecca in August 2006.

Her father Mohammed confessed to her slaying.

These are the types of actions that CO, Airhead, plainjane, etc indirectly encourage everyday. These actions would also have been amplified throughout the last 7 years had democrats been in charge because of their reluctance to confront evil, and their unwillingness to acknowledge it.

Ironically, these are the same people that claim we "must repair" our image on the world stage. So I ask them, is allowing Islamic extremism unfettered access to killing innocent people worldwide a good image to reflect to the world? Airhead said in a recent post that our efforts were "for.no.good.reason."

I guess helping protect innocent women and children and confronting this cancer that currently plagues civilization is no good reason in his mind. Sad.

U.S. Military and Iraqi civilian deaths are down.

We've won. (Good that you acknowledge this...thanks!)

As we survey the battlefield we see the remnants of death, disease, and destruction. And yet we have found no weapons of mass destruction. No double talk, no conspiracy stuff about them being transported out in the middle of the night.

We've won. (Booo...Hooo..no WMD's. GWB is a liar! So is every other President in the last twenty-years along with the governments of thirty other countries...get a life!)

We have a U.S. Contractor about to thrown out of Iraq because of the allegations of excessive violence against the Iraqi people themselves.

We've won.(It will emerge that Blackhawk was defending their interests and I applaud their efforts! If I were a private contrator in Iraq, I'd want the baddest MOFO security force by my side too.)

The Kurds and the Turkish are about to go nose to nose.

We've won. ( This situation may actually be a turn for the better for Iraq and the USA since the alliance to defeat terrorists in Iraq is working.)

We've spent half a trillion dollars. Had Billions just "disappear". Had bank robberies in Iraq where hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen.

We've won. (Okay...what's your point? This sh*t happens in LA and New Orleans after riots and natural disasters...so what!)

If we went in there for the oil, (darn that Greenspan) we don't have an oil benchmark yet either.

We've won. (NO one ever insisted we were going into Iraq for oil...another dilusional talking point.)

Most of the people in the world hold the United States of America in contempt.

We've won. (Screw the rest of the world...what has the "rest" of the world done for the USA other than put their hand out and bad mouth us when we don't agree with their F*d up leaders?)

Our incredible Iraqi Embassy is not open yet, faulty construction everywhere.

I could go on and on. (Please do, since each of your issues is full of holes and makes you appear even dumber and more naive than any of us could have imagined.)

Your victory is hollow. Can we wander freely outside of the green zone? Are M-16's and Abrams tanks going to be an everlasting part of the Iraqi landscape? (works for me until we feel we can leave)

We've actually made the Middle East an absolute mess.

We've won.(OH, and the ME wasn't a mess before we invaded...you're a joke)

Get out your champagne glasses and toast yourselves and your Commander in Chief.

You've won. (We will, but only when the last AQ in Iraq has his head blown off by our mighty military...okay...but wait, GWB told ALL of us this would be a long war, now didn't he?)

Posted by: neocon at October 24, 2007 09:30 AM

Neocon

I condemn ANY act of barbarism regardless of origin.

"So CO, is "walking outside the Green Zone" the barometer for success in Iraq? If so, if you have ever been to south central Los Angeles around midnight, you'd know that your reasoning is faulty."

What the hell? I personally am in South Central LA after midnight often. I am yet to be kidnapped, blown up by a car bomb, shot, beheaded, set on fire, punched, mugged, kicked, stabbed, maced....etc. I admit from time to time I am panhandled, but this isn't a post about socio-economics, so I guess that's not relevant.

That's the dumbest, most ignorant rebuttal I've seen on this blog yet.

navydad,

There's really no further need to debate the tired old talking points from the left. It is clearly evident that the recent progress in Iraq bodes well for a US victory, and that is the worst case scenario for the left.

They have completely over played their hand and consequently may lose power in '08 and ultimately be relegated to permanent political minority status.

I condemn ANY act of barbarism regardless of origin. - CO

I have yet to hear you condemn that actions of Islamic extremists in the same fashion you condemn the US. I have yet to hear you condemn the action of the extremists in the Janjaweed in Darfur with the same ferocity you condemn the US.

Secondly, condemnation has NEVER saved a life. Action does. And that is where we depart, and is why I calim you indirectly responsible for the death and chaos around the planet.

You will ONLY condemn from the safety of your perch but will NEVER endorse action to do something about it.

Navydad,

Great point regarding So. Central LA. I would bring up locales closer to CO's heart. Like, for example, Hastings Street in East Vancouver. I wouldn't walk there (and none of my friends do either) any time of day and most certainly not at night. Does that mean Canada has failed?

Or how about downtown Toronto with the random shootings and gun violence? My uncle in TO says downtown is nowhere near the safe place it used to be due to the shootings. Has Toronto failed?

By CO's effed up logic, we should abandon Canada too.

Finally, I am still waiting for our pathetic leftists who "condemn any acts of barbarism" to scream outrage at Chavez, Castro or the Islamists.

I aint holing my breat BW

neocon, I think there's a universal condemnation in the US of islamic extremism. People can save some reading/writing time by leaving out the disclaimer everytime the criticize the foreign policy.

"You will ONLY condemn from the safety of your perch but will NEVER endorse action to do something about it." - neocon

This is a liberal argument, don't pat yourself on the back too much for voting for us tax slaves to keep forking over the money for your cause. Join the military or donate and then you can say that you actually contributed yourself.(BTW, I did join the military and took part in OIF)

So, after 4 years of occupying a nation that proved not to have been a credible threat to us, "victory" means US and Iraqi civilian deaths in the last 3 months have dropped down to 2006 levels?

Talk about lowering expectations. Make that bar low enough, and you can declare "victory" - right?

Fine, if you all are already trumpeting victory, I'll join right in with you. So, since we now have "victory", as defined by a 3 month dip to 2006 levels of mayhem, can the troops go home now? No, somehow I think the troops will be stuck there, declaring "victory" and engaging in "victorious" battle for years and years to come.

At the end of all of this (when it ever ends), we will have spent an estimated $1.2 trillion to invade and occupy a country that posed no credible threat to us. God knows how many thousands of US troops will be lost, and Iraqi civilian casualties will certainly number into the hundreds of thousands. For what? In exchange for that blood and treasure, the enemies we ended up killing and defeating were the ones that we created by invading of Iraq in the first place. "Al-qaeda in Iraq" didn't exist in any appreciable numbers under any name before the US occupation of that country. Meanwhile, our enemies that did exist before we invaded Iraq have largely reconstituted themselves in remote areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

If you look at what was spent in terms of dollars, lives, US standing in the world, and our military preparedness, vs what was gained - the ongoing quelling of an insurgency against our occupation - can anyone say that it was remotely worth it?

I *am* happy to see *any* lessening in the rate of death and destruction caused by this needless conflict. But are you really ready to uncork some champagne over the fact that the past 3 months have seen US and Iraqi deaths return to 2006 levels? Are you so desperate for anything to call "victory" that you'll settle for this? If 2008 has the same levels of overall violence as 2006, will this be considered more and more "victory"?

The truth is, when we have finally left Iraq in God knows how many years, the costs will have far far outweighed the almost non-existent benefits. "Victory" defined-down so as to be almost meaningless might be achievable. But "victory" in the sense of making this conflict worth the costs?... well, there will never be victory in that truer sense of the word.

"By CO's effed up logic, we should abandon Canada too." - GOP 4 ME

We've militarily occupied Canada? I need to read the news more.

If you look at what was spent in terms of dollars, lives, US standing in the world, and our military preparedness, vs what was gained - the ongoing quelling of an insurgency against our occupation - can anyone say that it was remotely worth it? - airhead

Again, and I emphasize, this post echoes the sentiment of those who believe that they are the ones to repair the US image on the world stage.

I guess repairing our image includes abandoning those innocent women and children around the globe that desperately need our assistance.

Repairing our image includes condemning global violence on our way to the cocktail party.

Repairing our image means that we put monetary concerns above saving lives worldwide

Repairing our image means letting the rest of the world fend for themselves against atrocities.

Airhead, you need to realize that your murderous, racist ways are becoming irrelevant. And you too are a murderer, and indirectly responsible for the global chaos, with much blood on your hands.

By CO's effed up logic, we should abandon Canada too." - GOP 4 ME

We've militarily occupied Canada? I need to read the news more.

Posted by: robert at October 24, 2007 11:39 AM

GOP 4 ME

I was about to post the same question as robert. When in blue blazes did this invasion take place?

Also, back in September I asked you this question and, as far as I know, you never did respond.

"I am curious as to whether you have retained your Canadian citizenship or have you washed you hands of Canada altogether?"

"Repairing our image means that we put monetary concerns above saving lives worldwide" - neocon

It's not your money to spend. If you want to save the world do it with your own money.

I condemn ANY act of barbarism regardless of origin.

You must really hate yourself then, Canadian.

"By CO's effed up logic, we should abandon Canada too." - GOP 4 ME

We've militarily occupied Canada? I need to read the news more.

As much as they depend on us for trade and military protection, I don't think they'd notice.

We now approach the point of destabilization in Northern Iraq. GW will start bombing the Kurds. Is this part of the "mop up" now that we've won?

Thank goodness our all-star Secretary of State, Condolezza Rice, and her mercenary army is on the job. If anyone can diffuse the situation, Condi can.

Sarcasm intended.

Agentfear

If the US were attacked by a group of...oh, let's say 100k terrorists, not in uniform, and no markings representative of one's country, would you want to fight, or negotiate?

Why don't you read Mark's thread about Michael Yon, you stupid b*stard, and quit going to the BBC and NPR?
Posted by: Kiefer
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Really odd post Kiefer. Why should I quit going to the BBC and NPR? They are the only ones broadcasting anything from Southern Iraq. Michael Yon blogs. I peruse very few blogs.

So that makes me a stupid bastard?

Just more proof why you were denied a CCW. Extreme outbursts of anger and unstable personality.
;)

Okay. When do the 4 million externally and internally displaced Iraqis get to go home?

Success. right

It's not your money to spend. If you want to save the world do it with your own money. - robert

Whose money is it robert? I am very interested in your answer.

BTW, "if you want to save the world"; is a very telling part of roberts reply. The liberals have NO intentions of "saving" the world, as we are all very aware of their lack of concern of anybody other than themselves.

And this again leads us to their claim that we need to "repair" our image. I guess repairing our image means DOING NOTHING.

BuyRubles,

You're a fascist and a murderer and I am amazed that you continue to enter this site to embarrass yourself. Have you no integrity?

You're a fascist and a murderer and I am amazed that you continue to enter this site to embarrass yourself. Have you no integrity?

Rather than name call why don't you answer the question. If Iraq is such a success, when do the 2 million refugees in Syria and Jordan get to return to their original homes?

Maybe when we, and the brave Iraqi security forces, have finally defeated your compatriots and those you cheer on the continue the death and destruction.

Your colleagues that currently occupy the leadership of Iran, and people like you, are the ones responsible for the displacement. So, I'll ask you, when are you going to stop killing people and creating chaos?

I am not calling you names. I am merely pointing out the truth of who you are. You need to own the fact that you are a fascist.

US Troop levels increase and the death and chaos DECREASES.

Explain that phenomena BuyRubles. Doesn't exactly fit with your dishonest paradigm, now does it?

You, and people like you, are the killers and the creators of chaos. When will you allow those displaced to return to their homes?

US deaths in 2006: 822

US deaths in 2007: 832

Afghanistan: record amount of US troop and civlian casualties.

this equals success according to neocons

So, I'll ask you, when are you going to stop killing people and creating chaos?

tell Saudi Arabia and Jordan to end their support of Sunni insurgents first, evacuate all US forces from Iraq, and only then should Iran quell its balancing forces in Iraq.

US Troop levels increase and the death and chaos DECREASES

I didn't know ethnically cleansed neighborhoods are vestiges of success

What equals success is the fact that the trends are reversing and your dishonest propaganda and murderous intentions are beginning to be exposed.

The brave Iraqis, sunnis, shi'as, etc, are lining up in record numbers to defend their country against people like you.

I find it interesting that you point to our US casualties as a sign that things are not progressing. Let's find the that number of dead Islamic extremists and compare that. That's the true barometer of success. When more people like you are dead, that's when we'll know that peace is at hand.

I didn't know ethnically cleansed neighborhoods are vestiges of success

So cleansing a neighborhood of Islamic extremists in "ethnically" cleansing a neighborhood?

You are one of the most dishonest, murderous, fascists I know of. Why aren't you out there fighting the imperialists? Do you not fully believe in their cause? How can you live in such an imperialist nation? Are you not true to yourself? Do you question your purpose of life?

If you truly believed in of which you speak, you would at the very least, become Islamic and blow yourself up in the name of Allah. Please do that.

So cleansing a neighborhood of Islamic extremists is "ethnically" cleansing a neighborhood?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/news/exile.php

how nice of you to call the people that you are occupying/liberating/oppressing extremists.

So people like you drove this gentleman from his house, and his country and you're blaming Britain for not offering asylum and then somehow calling this "ethnic cleansing?"

Are you stupid, dishonest or both?

Honestly, you, and idiots like you, are the reason why there is so much chaos on this planet. You are DIRECTLY responsible for the unnecessary deaths, and DIRECTLY responsible for the displacement of Iraqi nationals. I will say it again, when more people like you are dead, the world will be a safer place.

BTW, Your above link is completely irrelevant to the topic.

1LT Murphy wins the only Congressional Medal of Honor awarded for the battle of Afghanistan

No offense here but it is only the "Medal of Honor." Just a pet peve of a former US Soldier....lol..Congress only approves it after the military does the investigation.

BuyRubles wrote:

US deaths in 2006: 822

US deaths in 2007: 832

Afghanistan: record amount of US troop and civlian casualties.

this equals success according to neocons

What war did President Clinton take us to to get these death rates during his presidency:

1992 - 1,293
1993 - 1,213
1994 - 1,075
1995 - 1,040
1996 - 974
1997 - 817
1998 - 827
1999 - 796
2000 - 758

Guess what being in the military is a tough job and isnt safe all the time. Dont believe me look at the following link http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates1.pdf

and get this ...cause you wont believe it at all I am sure the age-adjusted death rate was 800.8 deaths per
100,000 standard population for the United States ....that is per day to avg a little over 2 million deaths a year in the United States alone.

The Rwandan Genocide was in 1994 at least 500,000 Tutsis and thousands of moderate Hutus died in the genocide. Some estimates put the death toll between 800,000 and 1,000,000. Damm GWB for not stopping this oh wait Bill Clinton stood by an watched this happen.

There is a lot more I could post but it is just too much to have to do all the searches for stuff like this when someone with half there brain tied behind their back could do it easily. Think an inch below the surface of the MMFA and MSM crowd and dont listen to the crap they give you. Trust me stop watching the MSM and listening to Air America and your life I promise will get much better. Try it for a week you'll like it.

Michael -

Even a cursory look through your list reveals you don't understand what you're looking at. In 2006, for example, it lists 45 killed by hostile action. In 2005, it lists 43. That's because you are looking at a list of active duty, which doesn't include the large numbers of Guard and reservists killed. In reality, total US military killed in 2005 was 846, and was 822 in 2006.

So last year, we lost 822 soldiers in the war. But so far this year, we've already lost 834, and there are still more than 2 months left in the year. And this is being hailed as tremendous progress?

True, US casualties are down for the last 3 months (that's pretty short period to base a trend on). But the lowered figures only bring casualty rates down to 2006 levels. That's what constitutes "victory"?

That's what constitutes "victory"? - airhead

For the friggin last time, "victory" is the Iraqis standing up and defending their own country as recently witnessed in the Anbar Province. You know that to be true, but instead, you choose to dishonestly resort to the "death toll" as your marker.

I think you have been brainwashed beyond recovery. You actually believe the BS you spew daily. And I will say it again, you, and people like you, are the apologists for the real killers and subsequently are just as guilty as they are for the bloodshed. You're a fascist murderer.

Aarontime:

Let me clue you in here a bit on how the military works ....there are 2 systems Reserve and Active duty .... Active duty are those that are Active in the fight every day those that are reserves are 1 weekend a month 2 weeks a year..... basic right oh but wait there is more ...

Reserve soldiers who have been activated go under a system of what they call Title 10 ACTIVE DUTY look it up though I doubt your going to be able to understand it so let me break it down here

1. A soldier on title 10 is an ACTIVE DUTY soldier.

2. Soldiers active on title 10 are eligible for all things reg Active duty soldiers are(Tricare, MGIB, ect...)

3. They are recognized in my link if you look.

So before you type back make sure you go and google Title 10 and Title 32(Reserve Soldiers Title) that they no longer fall under once they are active.

And you ask what constitutes victory...when you guy on the other side back off calling my brothers in arms killers/murderers in cold blood/Nazi's/Polpot/or some other mad regime and let them do the job they can do and do it well.

Thanks for your time.

Oh and one last thing I forgot .... that list does exclude a few people like the AGR(Active Guard/Reserve)and reservist that die while not on active duty

Oh no just reported not one civilian death in guess where that's right kids Anbar ....you know the most violent area prior to the surge that isn't working.

Man that has got to hurt the Hate America cant win this war crowd.

Just more proof why you were denied a CCW. Extreme outbursts of anger and unstable personality.

Look, stupid b*stard, if you're so smart, under what name did I apply for this CCW permit? Just give me my initials, stevoretard, if you know so much. Should be easy for a "consultant" of the FBI. Even for one who wants to pack heat in a courthouse, so's one can shoot the judge...

That's what constitutes "victory"?

To the disconnected and increasingly desperate, yes. It's the same song they've been playing for years, which is why nobody believes them.

markie mark
you really know how to shake it up with the topics and headlines!
congrats!
and you're right...i agree...iraq is getting better
it's moved up from total chaos
to half chaos
nice.......in another 4 years we'll be at quarter chaos

Geesh, you lefties are really just not getting it - here's your chance to laud our victory and let bygones be bygones, but you prefer to gnaw the ragged bones of leftwing propaganda...

Michael,

Are you sure about the Medal of Honor? I thought all of them were "Congressional Medals of Honor."

What branch of the military were you in? I served 20 years in the USAF, from 1976-1996. Fifteen years in intel, five in admin. No combat experience, although I spent most of my career overseas.

Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch; remember that name. As many have gone before him, when his commission is up and he can speak "freely" he too will be labeled a Limbaugh Phony.

Look, plaindumbcowjane, you've got to pull your head out of your fat arse, and stop parroting lies. This "phony soldier" smear of Rush has been debunked as a misinterpretation of his comments by MMFA, and the drive-by media didn't even touch it because they knew what Rush meant. He was referring to real phony soldiers like Jesse McBeth, and others like Jesse who are filing false claims with the VA.

I know I'm wasting my breath on dumb cows like jane and sunny, but it pains me to see people, especially women, propogate lies.

plaindumbcowjane should be banned from this site, Mark. What say you?

Before you neocons rush to Iran, be prepared for a just response from the country below.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2087223995296573689&q=russian+army&total=3881&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

God bless Russia, Iran, and China checking US aggression!!!!

Are you sure about the Medal of Honor? I thought all of them were "Congressional Medals of Honor."

Neo,

I am absolutely sure on this one. If you look it up you will only see it refered to as the Medal of Honor as well as all the award charts show it that way as well.....it is a common misconseption due to the fact it is awarded by the military but has to be investigated and signed off by congress.

I was in for 12 years US Army before being medically discharged 5 years ago. I was proud to serve in the worlds greatest military force and would still today if I could.

That is one of the reasons I come to places like this to find a level head in the crowd and end up seeing that the trolls have shown up here as well. One day when these people get a clue and realize that the US is for the people by the people and not For the Government on the backs of the people things may change but til then and with the invent of the internet by "Algore" we may be able to keep the truth flowing.

I may not be as educated as some there certainly from what I have seen at this point but on any given day I can out debate any liberal mind in the world.

Hvae a good day

markie marktory
first of all....please don't include me as a "leftie"
secondly....you said "laud our victory" ???
i would think victory would be wars end, etc....
and we're quite a ways from that
we could agree on that couldn't we?

thanks
seeya

Geesh, you lefties are really just not getting it - here's your chance to laud our victory and let bygones be bygones, but you prefer to gnaw the ragged bones of leftwing propaganda...

Mark, Mark, Mark...you've been given countless chances over the years to correct yourself. But no, you still insist, rather sadly, that the administration was impeccably honest in the runup to the invasion, that we found WMDs in Iraq, that WMDs weren't even the primary issue anyway, that we were greeted as liberators, and that it's just been one big victory parade (how many corners have we turned in Iraq? It must be at least 30 by now). At this point, you are beyond propaganda and into delusion, and for rational people (you know, the ones who are actually getting such basic things about Iraq right), who have long since given up on dragging you back to reality, pretty much the only response left is mockery.

Thanks for offering yourself up for our amusement, though.

Ruble you have got to be kidding me. Do you remember the 80's or are you too young for that. Russia is a pimple on the a$$ of the world kinda like you are here.

The greatest President in the modern age showed a path to take care of Russia...thats right kids my mentor and idol on earth Ronald Reagan.

China you know the problem there is that the US is importing Capitalism there and they people are making in roads there to become more free and give it a generation or two and they wont be the same country much less a threat to the US.

Iran short of the maggot they have running the country that is the hope of all the Liberals in the world is a decent country with decent people.
Let him keep on his current track and I can imagine the people of his own country will stop him in short fashion for fear of being leveled by the Might of the US Military(provided the libs don't want to stop them and hold his hand and sing Kumbyah)Your side lack of a spine and a brain amazes me to know end.

Listen to a soldier sometime about the real things going on in Iraq and you might learn the real deal.

Thanks, Michael, for the clarification, because, with the current Donkaroach 11% Congress, the word "Congressional" puts a stain on an otherwise outstanding award for heroism, above and beyond the call of duty.

btw, Michael, the left thinks heroism is defined by shouting down David Horowitz on college campuses, and participating in Code Pinko rallies...

This "phony soldier" smear of Rush has been debunked as a misinterpretation of his comments by MMFA, and the drive-by media didn't even touch it because they knew what Rush meant.
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Kiefer,
I bet you can really identify with Rush. Sorta reminds me when you said certain politicians should be killed. But what you really meant was they should be put on trial and put in Gitmo.

;)

Eric....well we wont comment on that now will we?