Or maybe they could just turn down the hate a bit. Hatred clouds their judgment and drips from liberals pores. Some of the leftist posters here would be declared insane if they felt the way they do about someone other than Bush.

Your hatred is ugly. It comes through loud and clear in your posts. And it diminishes any legitimate points you try to make.

President Bush is also accused of misleading or deceiving people into thinking Saddam had WMDs. ("We were misled", as John Kerry put it.) Putting 2 and 2 together, this would mean that these people were deceived by someone who is stupid. This begs the question, if you're deceived or misled by someone who is stupid, then how stupid does that make you?

The Liberal Left can't think. They are incapable of individual thought, analysis, and understanding. They are part of the Liberal Collective, and only capable of believing, parroting, and repeating what their propagandist handlers tell them -- like the army of obedient robots they are.

Those headlines and articles are nothing more than the handlers' programming and instructions being dutifully transmitted by the collective liberal media to the Democrats' mindless robotic minions!

They endlessly repeat their message for fear that some may see through the Liberals misleading and lying propaganda!

AAR

"You people on the left - really, honestly and I beg of you: Please start to THINK a bit."

That's asking A LOT of the left, Mark. Forged C BS memos ... phony soldiers' recounts of their time in Iraq ... the list goes on. They are either stupid or gullible ... or both.

Please start to THINK a bit.

Take your own advice, then get back to me, 'kay?

This begs the question, if you're deceived or misled by someone who is stupid, then how stupid does that make you?

Look up the meaning of the phrase "to beg the question," please. Report back with your findings, and then try to appreciate the humor of you incorrectly using a phrase you think makes you look smart in order to deride other people as being stupid.

I dunno that's asking an awful lot!!!!

Tract,

Snottily becoming a grammar cop is the weakest of all positions to take...

Snottily becoming a grammar cop is the weakest of all positions to take...

Geez, I had no idea you disliked Keefer so much. Poor guy just can't keep any friends, it seems.

Generally, I let the bad grammar slide, but the "begs the question" one was too funny because, like I said, he was using it to try to sound smart while questioning the intelligence of others. The comedy was too good to pass up.

AAR. thank you for bringing to mind the word "Collective". I use a lot of Cold War terms for communists and communist sympathizers when I post, and the new generation of the radical Left is so "intellectually incurious" that they don't even bother to find out what I am talking about, even when I give them a hint. I'd put a late-20th Century spin on it by thinking of them as the Borg, but I had forgotten the term Collective. Very good.

Isn't it funny how these people, who think they are so much smarter than we conservatives, simply cannot read a sentence and process the content of that sentence and comprehend its meaning? I have a feeling that even if the quote were to punctuated differently---"Well, 'Mandela' is dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the 'Mandelas' "----it would have been beyond them.

The Left calls Bush "stupid" though he got better grades at Yale than their own intellectual idol, Kerry. They call him "stupid" though he passed a rigorous series of tests to qualify for pilot training, tests which not only tested his IQ but his capacity for learning, his capacity for quick thinking, and his ability to process fast-moving information quickly and accurately and then integrate it into what he is doing at the time---while simultaneously making crucial decisions while simultaneously flying a very high-tech supersonic fighter jet. And it goes on and on and on.

Yet they are blithely unaware of the irony of savaging someone for being "stupid" when their very quotes vividly illustrate a very simple and unsophisticated intellect.

But the examples of sheer stupidity listed by Mark do help me understand how it is possible for some of these posters to write what they write. I have wondered if they are just defiant liars, or somehow lacking the embarrassment gene that should make them ashamed to post such mindless babble. Now I realize there is a pretty good chance they just don't know how stupid they are. I have picked up on hints, like the random use of the Rogue Apostrophe and the conviction that Bush is a "draft dodger", but this really brings it on home.

I so enjoy watching the left devolve into crazed, angry fascists once their opinions are challenged. mack55, and bovary are two great examples of that. I have a feeling Tract is not too far off.

The left simply considers themselves a cut above, which gives them the right to lie, cheat and steal there way to power, because to them the ends justifies the means.

Great case in point is the "Diebold" debacle. Whenever republicans win at the ballot box, all you hear from the left is how the Republicans "stole" the election. The Diebold machines are rigged, disenfranchised voters were not allowed to vote, blah, blah, blah. But, when the Dems win, as in '06, did you hear anything? I guess the "same" machines worked just fine and all of the "disenfranchised" voters finally made it to the polls.

The left are just a bunch of immature children who whine and moan when they don't get their way. The problem is, many children like that grow up to be FASCISTS.

Yet they are blithely unaware of the irony of savaging someone for being "stupid" when their very quotes vividly illustrate a very simple and unsophisticated intellect.

Quote of the day.

Tract,

Fine and dandy - now comment on the herd-like idiocy of the leftwing comments on President Bush's remarks...much funnier than anything I've heard in a while is a blog called "Think Progress" showing itself just a leftwing parrot...

Almiranta,

It is flabbergasting - until today, I wasn't even aware of this particular anti-Bush item. Like you, I don't know what the heck must go through their minds...do they like to lie? Are they really just incredibly stupid? Has hate made them mentally defective?

But it does show how impossible it is to reach the left.

So Mark, how is what they do different from what you do?

So Mark, how is what they do different from what you do? - Casper

Fabrication, Casper, fabrication.

I think most people here are actually over-estimating the left.

The left knows that what they say is BS. They dont care.

At some point they decided that whatever they had to do or say to defeat Bush and the Republicans was OK. Sincerity and truthfullness is a charecter flaw on the left.

They dont actually mean anything they say, its either a lie to make someone on the right look worse then they are, or a lie to make someone on the left look better.

They know it, we know it, the only difference is they think its working for them.

Casper,

Huh?

So when the left takes statements out of context it's fabrication and when the right takes statements out of context it's what?
To be honest I don't see much difference between the two sides. Both sides accuses the other side of being mindless robots. Both sides call the other side crazy. Both sides are full of hate.
I could take just about any post on the site, substitute a few names and have just as good of a rant from the other side.

"...sheer stupidity?"

To the mindless minions... yes, all too frequently!

To the Liberal (Democrat) strategists, handlers, propagandists (e.g. Media Matters)... no, like that proverbial fox!

"...do they like to lie?"

Liberals (Democrats) don't really give it a thought one way or the other. It's just another propaganda technique -- which when expertly used and properly "cultivated" -- can be a very effective tool for duping the target population(s) -- e.g., "Bush lied, people died", Katrina, 9/11 conspiracy, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and "fanatical Christian extremists". To liberals, the end justifies the means. After all, the only one they have to answer to is their god of Liberalism!

Propaganda, Public Relations, and Persuasive Communication are all forms of basically the same thing. Why don't or won't Conservatives use similar effective techniques to spread the truth and their message?

AAR

Like I said before, libs will believe anything they are told by their "leadership" (snort!). The collective mind at work. The Rush "controversy" is the same thing.

Remember "it's all about sex", "never had sex with that women", etc. etc. etc. they fall into lockstep after drinking the koolaid.

Reminds me of Jim&Tammy Baker after their illegal financial and tax evasion activities, thousand of their followers believed that they were innocent because they were told that the devil hacked into their computer.

The liberal "mind" (note: singular) it's a terrible waste.

Casper,

Thing is, we don't have to take lefties out of context - in context they are bad enough.

Almiranta,

The Borg. There are similarities!

AAR

Come on Mark,
Kerry blows a joke and he hates the troops. Rush says something about phony soldiers and he hates the troops. The only difference, IMO is which side you are looking at it from. I don't believe either one hates the troops. Both sides are hearing what they want, not what is said.

Casper,

Senator Kerry has a loooooong history of distain for our military. He gamed the system to get sent home from Vietnam after only four months in country by claiming a couple of self-infliceted wound were as a result of enemy action. In one case, his commanding officer refused to put him in for a Purple Heart so he waited around until there was a change of command and secured the PH.

Then, once he was back in the states, he falsely testified in front of Congress about attrocities. Then he consorted with the enemy by meeting in Paris with the North Vietnamese. Both of these actions were Courts Martial offenses since he was still a Naval Reserve officer.

He then Chaired the Select Committee For Normalization with the North Vietnamese and gave them a clean bill of health even though they have not given a full and complete account of POW's. Upon normalization, Kerry's cousin's (C. Stewart Forbes) ,corporation, received a multi-billion dollar contract from the North Vietnamese as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.

Senator Kerry's "joke" (if you actually believe it was s joke, I've got some swampland for sale), was just the latest of many manifestations of his distain. I'm not sure that Senator Kerry "hates" the troops, but he certainly has not show that he respects them.

Rush, on the other hand, has a long history of support for the troops. He has donated and raised ir service. There is absolutely no evidence what-so-ever that Rush "hates" the troops.

If you think that Rush does "hate" the troops, without any evidence, then you are being truthful. You aren't listening and only hear what you want to hear. At least you were honest.

Senator Kerry's words and actions have been captured for all to see and hear (except, of course, his military records, since he has refused to sign a SF 180. What do you think he is hiding? Perhaps a less that honorable discharge? Perhaps there was disciplinary action for illegally meeting with the North Vietnamese? Perhaps there was disciplinary action for falsely testifying before Congess?).

A10,
I'm not defending Kerry, but I bet I could go to a left wing site and find an equally long list of "insults" Rush has made. My point is that both sides use the same tactics.

My point is that both sides use the same tactics. - Casper

On a very unbalanced scale, in my opinion. You don't see the character assasination on the right that you do the left. Bush has been called every childish name in the book, along with being accused of every crime committed by every single top tier Democratic Congressman, not to mention a plethora of other institutions or celebrities, and you just don't see that level of vitriol from the right.

The thing is, the public is starting to notice, hence an all time low Congressional approval rating.

neocon,"On a very unbalanced scale, in my opinion. You don't see the character assasination on the right that you do the left."

Are you saying that Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, Clinton, etc. aren't being attacked on the same level as Bush? You might want to go back and read some of the posts on this blog.

"The thing is, the public is starting to notice, hence an all time low Congressional approval rating."

Meanwhile Bush and the Supreme Court also have pretty low marks.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

Americans are sick of both parties.

Are you saying that Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, Clinton, etc. aren't being attacked on the same level as Bush? You might want to go back and read some of the posts on this blog.

Where in the MSM, or in public speeches by Republicans, can you point to wherein Pelosi, etc: were accused of baseless crimes, were called liars, losers, or an embarassment, and on and on and on?

Bush has been nothing but civil to all of them and the media gives them a pass everyday despite their glaring hypocrisy, double talk, socialist agenda, and cowardice.

Bush hasn't been anymore civil than the Democrats and IMO both sides have received too many passes from the MSM.

Besides I'm not talking about the MSM. I'm talking about how both sides use the same tactics. Check the archives of this blog if you want to see Democrats called liars, losers, or embarassments.

I still remember the liberal bozoid who claimed that there was no such thing as mustard gas:

From: Jay Leet (JAYL80@*********)
Subject: (none)

"It's hard to take you seriously when you call it "mustard gas" you ignorant fool. It's "Muster Gas". As if Saddam was killing people with gas made from mustard...you retard."

Sigh...

But it does show how impossible it is to reach the left.

"nuff said, Mark. The only way to reach the left is to agree with their twisted rhetoric. And I'm afraid Casper's become one of them.

Now, Casper, don't go reporting my comments as inappropriate again. I realize you want to be the ambassador of kumbayah, or whatever it's called, but there are some of us who are just gonna hate libs and their ideology. Fortunately, for you and the other trolls, Mark is a loving, forgiving Christian, or some of you wouldn't be posting here.

Kerry blows a joke and he hates the troops.

Ya know, when someone botches a joke, there's still evidence of a punch line. I just can't find the punch line in Spitball's "botched joke." Phony sailor knew exactly what he was saying, and it wasn't meant to be funny.

Check the archives of this blog if you want to see Democrats called liars, losers, or embarassments.

Well, they are, Casper, and we on this blog aren't elected officials. Bush and his administration are called these things by ELECTED OFFICIALS, all the time. And you have the nerve to state that "Bush hasn't been anymore civil than the Democrats?" Get a grip, teach.

btw, it should've been "any more..."

Check the archives of this blog if you want to see Democrats called liars, losers, or embarassments.

Blogs don't count. I couldn't care less about Daily KOS etc, I'm talking MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, LAT, NYT, Seattle PI, the Senate floor, the House floor, etc, etc, etc.

Out here in Republican-land, we know what he was saying - that the lack of skilled and respected political leadership in Iraq is a reflection of the fact that Saddam killed anyone who was skilled and respected. South Africa jailed Mandela...Saddam threw his Mandelas into the chipper-shredder.

Well Mark, looks like you are saying here - among other things - that Mandela is "skilled and respected". OK, sounds like a fair assessment, and one that Mr Bush would also share.

Interestingly, Mandela also won the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1993. In your other thread, you say the Peace prize is "...just a way for international leftists to give prestige to leftwing ideologues and favored tyrants while thinking they are giving the United States a poke in the eye".

Nelson Mandela... skilled, respected, and admired by Bush... or leftwing ideologue and favored tyrant??

its called a joke Mark. I know - i know - you can't joke about Bush being stupid its too close to home...

If President Bush had said this:

Part of the reason why there is not this instant democracy in Iraq is because people are still recovering from Saddam Hussein's brutal rule. I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, where's the alternative moral authority? Well, the alternative moral authority is dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the the alternative moral authorities.

The Leftist intellectual collective would attack him for treating them like a bunch of morons and talking down to them.

But then as far as I can tell the Left are collectively a bunch of morons.

"Now, Casper, don't go reporting my comments as inappropriate again."

I believe the only time I've ever reported ANYONE'S comments was months ago when a lefty troll dropped the F-bomb about a dozen times in a couple of posts.

"I realize you want to be the ambassador of kumbayah, or whatever it's called, but there are some of us who are just gonna hate libs and their ideology. Fortunately, for you and the other trolls, Mark is a loving, forgiving Christian, or some of you wouldn't be posting here."

I know most of you aren't going to give up your hate of the other side, but it doesn't hurt to point out that IMO the hate sounds the same from both ends of spectrum. I tried listening to Air America a while back. It lasted two nights. I found the nastiness and one sidedness boring. I tried listening to Limbaugh and Hanity for several days this summer. I got tired of them for the same reason. Thank God I have an iPod with 5000 songs to listen to.

kblack77,

It's a joke?

No. It's what Liberals believe, and they have worked hard to make it a "perceived fact" as part of their anti-Bush propaganda and hatred to the point that far too many Americans and people throughout the world believe it is an actual fact!

AAR

Do you think if Bush had proven from the very beginning of his Presidency, by his words and actions, to be a competent and wise leader, a man who was respected not only by the citizens he served, but by the International Community as well, he would be so intensely ridiculed today?

Bush has made many Americans ashamed and that has contributed to the derisive abuse he now provokes. It is difficult for them to accept the fact that this President has degraded the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

Canadian,

Democrats (Liberals) and their media propaganda machine have done everything they possibly can to make Americans and people around the world "ashamed" (as you choose to say), deliberately provoking and inciting the abuse and hatred we see. It is impossible for most of them to see otherwise, considering the lies and misleading propaganda they see and hear from YOUR beloved Democrats and the liberal media day after day after day!

As you well know, repeat a lie long enough and people begin to believe it. Continue that repetition and the lie begins to take on the perception of truth, with others repeating it. Continue further, and that lie takes on a life of its own, and it is perceived as the truth. That's one of the ways your Liberal propaganda works, one of the techniques you LIBs so effectively employ -- create the lies and then repeat them over and over until those LIES BECOME THE TRUTH in the minds of your target groups and population!

AAR

Bush has made many Americans ashamed and that has contributed to the derisive abuse he now provokes. It is difficult for them to accept the fact that this President has degraded the U.S. in the eyes of the world. - CO

What a bunch of CRAP (of course I expect that from you CO)

First of all, many Americans, including myself, could not care less what the "international community" thinks of our President. The "international community" is rife with corruption, incompetence and criminality. They hardly hold the moral authority to "accept" or "reject" our leader.

Secondly, if you're soooo concerned about impressions, what do you think they thought of Jimmy Carter allowing hostages to be held for 444 days and tanking our economy, or Billy Clinton getting blow jobs in the Oval office. Both very impressive displays of a President, right?

' Are you saying that Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, Clinton, etc. aren't being attacked on the same level as Bush? You might want to go back and read some of the posts on this blog.'

Or listen to any right-wing radio host-especially Limpy-- for a few hours. Or watch Hannity and Colmes or Bill'o for a few nights. They are trashed regularly, and compared to Lenin, Stalin and Chavez.

Its amazing to see a post complaining about liberals trashing Bush on a site that regularly trashes liberals! Mark, if you're a true Christian you should follow the "do unto others" doctrine. The only commandment you seem to follow is the eleventh commandment issued by Ronald Reagan -never criticize fellow Republicans!

I don't know about Bill Clinton but President Carter represents what is good about America. He has become a national treasure and even though you may not give a damn what the world thinks about the U.S., neocon, he has brought nothing but global admiration for his compassion and all the good work he is doing.

President Carter = National Treasure.

Casper, this "Everybody ELSE gets away with it, why can't WWWeeeeeEEEEEeEeE?" defense is well past the "getting old" stage; it's right up there with "rotting garbage". You believe yourselves to be morally and ethically superior to Republicans, yet brag that you hurl childish insults and make illogical, unfair attacks? You then defend yourselves by claiming you're just like Repulbicans? Where's the sense in that?

How hard would it be to admit that Bush didn't say that Hussein killed Nelson Mandela? That Limbaugh didn't attack soldiers in general, but only those who present false credentials to bolster their credibility? Do you "support the troops" by cheering those who lie about war attrocities?

Orion,
"Casper, this "Everybody ELSE gets away with it, why can't WWWeeeeeEEEEEeEeE?" defense is well past the "getting old" stage; it's right up there with "rotting garbage"."

You might want to reread my posts. I wasn't justifying attacks by either side. In fact I'm against them. I was pointing out that both sides use the same kind of tactics.

"How hard would it be to admit that Bush didn't say that Hussein killed Nelson Mandela? Limbaugh didn't attack soldiers in general, but only those who present false credentials to bolster their credibility?"

Bush didn't say that Hussein killed Nelson Mandela.
Limbaugh didn't attack soldiers in general, but only those who present false credentials to bolster their credibility.
Gee, that wasn't hard at all.

"Do you "support the troops" by cheering those who lie about war attrocities?"

No I support them by sending them packages and letters, by taking care of their dogs when they are Iraq, and by thanking them for their service when I get the chance.

How do you support the troops?

President Carter = National Treasure.

President Carter IS a Christian man, for that I respect him, and he has done some fine work for the Habitat for Humanities. However, his recent anti-Semite book and embarrassing alliances with Castro and Chavez would hardly lead me to believe that he is one of MY (not yours) countries treasures.

Casper,

"Bush hasn't been anymore civil than the Democrats"

You're joking, right?

In seven years I have yet to hear one instance where the President has not been completely civil in commenting on liberals and Democrats.

He has never once called them liars, even though they have consistently lied about pre-war intelligence, the state of the economy, etc. I can remember several Democrats that have called the President a liar. Senator Kennedy called him a liar on the Senate floor.

He has never once called the Democrats corrupt, even though there have been countless instances of Democrat corruption. On the other hand, the Speaker of the House and others have constantly called the Bush Administration corrupt.

He has never once called a member of the Democrat leadership a "loser", but the Senate Majority leader did call the President a "loser".

He has never once called a Democrat member of the Senate an "idiot", yet Senator Kerry called the President an "idiot" during the 2004 campaign.

I could go on and on and on. So don't give us any crap about the President being no more civil than the Democrats. He has reached across the aisle time and time again, only to be spit on and stabbed in the back by the Democrats.

Most of us conservatives wished he wouldn't be so civil to the left. But he is a bigger man than those who would call him a liar, corrupt, loser, and a failure.

A-10,
You are correct in that he doesn't attack the opposition personally. He has a number of supporters that do it for him. He is a smart man. He (and his speech writers)is very careful about what he says and he excels at strawman arguments. As for his reaching across the aisle, I would have to disagree. He rarely compromises, and why should he. The spineless democrats usually give him what he wants anyway.

Casper,

"You are correct in that he doesn't attack the opposition personally. He has a number of supporters that do it for him."

But you said that the President isn't civil. Now you're saying that he doesn't attack the oppostition. So, basically, you we're making an statement not based in fact. We usually call that lying.

We're not talking about his supporters, we're talking about the President. If you want to expand to supporters, we'll get into Moveon.org, CodePink, Media Matters, DU, KOS, and the rest of the liberal attack dogs. These groups have never been civil. In fact, some of their attacks have crossed the line into treason.

These is no comparison between the civility exhibited by the left and the right. The left has no problem with calling members of the Bush administraion Nazis, fascists, or worse. Democrat leaders have no problem with calling the President a liar, failure, or loser. They declare the war in Iraq lost, our military to be incompetent or terrorists, and our foreign policies a failure. Conservative have not stepped into gutter politics.

I only hope that mainstream America remember how civil and dignified Republicans have been and how hateful and unhinged Democrats have been when they vote in 2008.

I only hope that mainstream America remember how civil and dignified Republicans have been and how hateful and unhinged Democrats have been when they vote in 2008.

That is my wish to A-10. And I think the public is starting to notice evidenced by Congress's, Pelosis, and Reids horrid approval ratings.

For someone to compare the lefts incessant partisan sniping to those partisans on the right, is just being completely dishonest.

A-10,
You are right. I should have said the Bush's supporters haven't been anymore civil than the Democrats and IMO both sides have received too many passes from the MSM.

Casper, if you want to waffle and say, "Oh, well, it wasn't actually BUSH who said bad things, but his SUPPORTERS!", you're still just trying to justify your own actions by lowering yourself to the (supposed) level of those you oppose. Hardlyt shows you're the "better half" of the argument.

Orion,
What actions am I trying to support? I am condemning both sides.
BTW you still haven't answered my question, How do you support the troops?

I read this passage and I could understand what President Bush was implying....it's utterly amazing that the liberal blogs went apes**t over this.

Perhaps, Macker, they automatically assumed that he had botched his comments based on past behavior.

CO,

You'd have a point, if there was something botched here - but all President Bush was doing was a very appropriate analogy.

Look up the word. It is in the dictionary.