It's a little late Leo, I expected this days ago from you "people".

This is the type of thread that makes me just love reading Blogs for Bush.

Thanks.

"people"? "dipsh*t"

Whats wrong with this picture? You guys are bent of shape about his hand not being over his heart.

Whats the most glaring code violation going on? Come on...I know my fellow vets will know this one!

Whats wrong with this picture? You guys are bent of shape about his hand not being over his heart??!!

Whats THE most glaring code violation going on? Come on...I know my fellow vets will know this one! It was about the 3rd thing I learned in basic.

*play the tune of jeopardy*

I don't know if it kosher to repost a blogpost but I thought this post was excellently written and can be found on the coments page of the linked video.

I am tired of these absurdly superficial tests of pseudo-patriotisim. I don't care where people put their hands during the National Anthem, or where and when they wear flag pins. What I want is someone who will not only "uphold" but FIGHT FOR, our Constitution, and for the rule of law. Bush and Cheney never fail to get their hands over their hearts, and to look properly solemn, during the National Anthem, but they have trashed our Constitution and brought our democracy to the very brink of disaster.

Is it because their backs are turned to the flag?

I think the real answer is that it's not flying upside down giving the international signal for distress.

Someone please help the United States of America. We're in a BIG jam, and it's not looking too good with the Commander in Chief we have.

I am tired of these absurdly superficial tests of pseudo-patriotisim. I don't care where people put their hands during the National Anthem, or where and when they wear flag pins. What I want is someone who will not only "uphold" but FIGHT FOR, our Constitution, and for the rule of law. Bush and Cheney never fail to get their hands over their hearts, and to look properly solemn, during the National Anthem, but they have trashed our Constitution and brought our democracy to the very brink of disaster.

Since when is it "pseudo patriotism" to display a measure of respect when the National Anthem is played and the American Flag is displayed?

Again, to me this sends the message loud and clear that Obama is self-centered, and has no love for this nation nor any appreciation for the sacrifices that were exacted for his freedoms.

Displaying respect for our Flag and for our national symbols is not "pseudo patriotism," unless you're one of those freaks who walks around with a "peace sign" where the field of stars should be, or walks around with the flag upside down, or throws the flag to the ground and steps on it; or sets it on fire (yeah-I know that's real patriotism).

"Is it because their backs are turned to the flag?"
Posted by: AgentFear
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Alex Trebek says "That is correct!"

I find it so ironic that the so-called conservatives are blasting this across the blogosphere and NOT one mention of that code violation. All they can say is "he didnt have his hand across the heart."

In quite a few circumstances when you are in civvies, you do NOT place your hand over your heart during the national anthem. Believe me, the Army had an entire manual on the Flag Code.

If you watch the video: Several of the politicians DO face the flag.

I wonder why the super patriots on all these blogs did not catch that code violation? After all, supposedly most of them are ex-military.

;)

Stevo,

Title 36 Chapter 10 §171 states:

Conduct during playing (of the National Anthem):

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

By the photo we don't know if there were other flags in front of these candidates. In as much as it was a campaign rally, its more than likely that there were. We can't say for sure. However, there is no doubt about the disrespect that Obama is displaying. What we don't know is if it is mindless or purposeful.

And this man want's to be President? Fat chance. There are still many "people" who feel very passionate about our flag as a symbol of freedom, and most of them vote on a regular basis.

I konw that's a difficult concept for you leftists to understand. Patriotism is just so paleo...isn't it.

I don't know which is worse... Obama's slack stance (I'm willing to assume that there was another flag that they were facing... political events have lots of flags) or the slaughter of the National Anthem... People who sing the Anthem in public should actually be able to sing...

Leo, why are you making this story bigger than what it needs to be?

First, the National Anthem doesn't require you to put your hand over your heart, but it does require you to stand to show respect, which Obama did. It's like with the Pledge of Allegiance - it doesn't require you to say it, but it does require you to stand up and show respect for the flag.

Second, real patriotism is shown through our actions and deeds; it's not through slapping a yellow ribbon on your vehicle to show that you support the military or having an American flag on your chest.

Leo, stop getting a hard-on over this idiotic non-story, and get over yourself.

(Ed. Note: Contentious slander deleted, commenter banned)

Oh we shouldn't be questioning his patriotism, eh?

The hell we shouldn't.

It's high time his patriotism needs to be not only questioned but heavily scrutinized.

Eric,

Your own post disproves itself, doesn't it?

Others, I just spent the evening discussing flag history and began flag etiquette with my Cub Scout den. Seven year old Wolf Scouts, and they know more than Obama.

You libs will be happy to know that one has an Army father in Iraq, four fathers work for various intelligence agencies, and ones a gun dealer.

They know more than Obama also.

Here is an excerpt from a story we read tonight - think about that last line. Points for any libs who can tell me where 881 S is.

"We had a ceremony which began early February and continued as long as we occupied Hill 881S. Three Marines would race from the bunker to a fifteen foot radio antenna. Two of them would raise our nation's colors, then stand at attention while the third sounded a rusty rendition of "To The Colors" with a battered bugle. We were never without volunteers for this ceremony. They were proud of themselves and our flag. At night this process was reversed as we retired the colors. Often the retired flag was folded, packed and shipped to the family of a Marine slain on the hill. We had a substantial stockpile of flags sent to us by people all over the country. Even got a 'coffin' flag from widow of a WW II KIA. She'd been given it when he was buried, sent it to us with a note saying he'd have wanted flag to be useful again instead of gathering dust on a closet shelf.

For some reason this daily ritual seemed to irritate the NVA in the vicinity of Hill 881N, and they would usually shoot at us."

Second, real patriotism is shown through our actions and deeds

Why don't you Socialist Liberals start showing some then; a good start would be, like, you know actually showing some respect for the Troops, instead of (wrongfully accusing them of things they didn't do, and degrading their efforts).

Supporting the President for the magnificent job that he has done to keep America safe!!! And support of America!!! instead of cheering on our enemies!!! How about it, Huh?

But, you're not going to, you have no shame for your Treasonous actions to jeopardize the American peoples lives. Just like in the MoveOn ad, the Democrats had no shame over defaming the Honorable Gen. Petraeus.
Is that what you call Patriotism??

And the Left is now expoliting the tragedy in California for political gain, more hate for the President. Can't go a day without hating President Bush can you? Again ... Patriotism?

The point of Obama IS ... Any decent, honest person who is looking to qualify for the highest position of Authority in the land, would show some honest THANKS and respect to God by putting his hand over his heart in humble submission for being blessed with this honorable opportunity!!!

You know what I see in Obama in this instance? I see someone who cares less for the people of the United States and the problems that this couttry faces ... I see someone who has only ONE thing on his mind, and that is winning, with the envisionary and affixiation of big dollar signs in his head!!!

And he doesn't care who he tramples over in the process to get to that point, just as long as he grasps that power!!

Money-hungry Socialists!!!

Jeremiah

aside from the fact , this man is an empty suit..if he were smart..he would hide the fact of what he truly is...and hold his hand over his heart..
This is just in your face or truly a political tin ear. or both...

Whats the most glaring code violation going on? Come on...I know my fellow vets will know this one!
Whats the most glaring code violation going on? Come on...I know my fellow vets will know this one!

Whats the most glaring code violation going on? Come on...I know my fellow vets will know this one!

After messing up my reply, I went back and read the rest of the comments, and saw that it was already answered.

IMHO, as a matter of decorum(sp), politicians do put their hands on their hearts when the National Anthem is played. When I was in uniform, if outside during the playing of the anthem, I stood at attention, faced the flag, or the music if the flag wasn't visible, and saluted. If in civilian clothes, and wearing a cap, I stood at attention, took off my cap, and held the cap against my right shoulder, with my hand on my heart. If in civilian clothes, hatless, I stood at attention, facing the flag/music.

Ubama, the once "rising star," has become a fallen star, and will burn out come primary season...

*play the tune of jeopardy*

In your case, stevojerkweed, we should play the tune of Romper Room. Shot any judges lately? ;)

Americans have always gone to extremes in trying to show just how patriotic they can be.

By paying zealous and immoderate attention as to the greatness of the U.S., they have failed to learn from history what the result was to other Nations displaying the same such patriotic nonsense.

Jonathan,

"First, the National Anthem doesn't require you to put your hand over your heart..."

As usual, you are WRONG:

"36 US Code Section 301 -(b) Conduct During Playing.
— During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;"

"Second, real patriotism is shown through our actions and deeds"

Like attempting to sabotage our logistical support for the GWOT by passing a resolution condemning something that happened over 90 years ago.

Like not voting to condemn slanderous attacks against the Commander of the Multinational Force in Iraq.

Like calling the Iraqi Front in the GWOT "lost".

Like calling our troops "terrorists", "incompetent", and similar to "Nazis, Stalin, and Pol Pot".

Like calling the President a "liar" and a "loser".

Like calling for negotiations with those who are trying to kill "infidels" and calling for attacks on our allies in the GWOT.

Like saying that you "hate Republicans and everything they stand for."

Like aiding and abetting the enemy by constantly trying to undermine our foreign policy and the GWOT.

Like constanting calling for impeachment of the President and Vice-President for their execution of their Constitutional duties.

I don't question Senator Obama's patriotism towards the United States because I don't believe he has any.

I see a Karl Rove made for Republican ballot imitative in the making. “A raised hand will be required at all flag ceremonies and when a dictator, I mean President walks by.”

Our brave young men and women are dying for our freedoms and Faux news believes we should give them up.

This is a link to the latest Senate bill that was just passed here about a month or so back for the right for Vets to salute the flag now and military members NOT in uniform.....read it...http://www.nimj.org/documents/S.1877.pdf

It clearly states what actions you should take if you hear the National Anthem and one of those would be PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART!!!!

You must pity the poor libs who try so hard to mount an intellectual attack when they are so clearly not prepared for battle. It's cute kinda in a wierd sorta way like a dog searching for a bone it buried months before.

Have a good day now!

Canadian,

Yet another of your useless posts!

Patriotic, yes!   Extremes, no!      Real Americans are patriotic!!!

"Phony Americans" (Liberals) have views like yours! If they don't like America, they are more than welcome (encouraged) to join their like-minded "friends" in Canada!

AAR

A-10,

RE: "I don't question Senator Obama's patriotism towards the United States because I don't believe he has any."

As is the case with all too many of our Democrat politicians, most of the liberal media, and most of their Left-Wing fringe Liberal supporters!!!!!

AAR

To paraphrase a leftist meme:

Obama supports the flag.
He just doesn't support showing respect for the flag.

"I don't know which is worse... Obama's slack stance (I'm willing to assume that there was another flag that they were facing... political events have lots of flags) or the slaughter of the National Anthem... People who sing the Anthem in public should actually be able to sing..."

I was at this event. For those of you not in the know, this footage is from the Harkin Steak Fry, held in Iowa every September. There were other flags flying in front of the stage. And yes, the singer was awful. She took extreme liberties with the arrangement of the song and even got a few words wrong. It was embarassing.

Has anyone out there seen the picture of Bush with his hand over his stomach during the anthem?

Here it is :

http://www.tensionnot.com/Weird_Pics419.html

I guess it is better than his hand over his crotch.

If Obama has any hope of winning the nomination he MUST win in Iowa, or its all over but the shouting.

According to the latest polls in Iowa, he's neck and neck with Hillary. I'll wager that he looses by a slim margin.

If he's honest with himself, he will look back at this gaff as what did him in. Its his Howard Dean moment...AAAEEIIIIII!!!!!!!

If he continues to campaign, which he will, and ultimately fails to secure the nomination (a certainty), I wonder how black voters will be turned off by the process and refuse to show up at the polls in 2008.

Has anyone out there seen the picture of Bush with his hand over his stomach during the anthem?

I guess it is better than his hand over his crotch.

Posted by: sleepygene at October 26, 2007 11:42 AM

Another Bush gaffe! Love the expression on the face of the guy standing next to him. Totally disgusted.

A-10, I coulden't agree more. In the history of our great nation, I don't think that a group of candidates has ever been assembled that has exhibited a level of dislike for our country, our way of life and a distinct lack of patriotism than the Democrats have done this time. Good job Democrats!! You have a group of people representing your party that take an active part in the GWOT, for the other side.

once again, plainjane is standing up shrieking "LOOK HOW DUMB I AM! !!!" janie, try to wait till you actually have something to say, OK, sweetie? We know you hate hate hate hate HATE Bush and conservatives and whoever else isn't in your little radical cell. We get it.

I think we are missing something here, and it is not whether or not Obama is 'patriotic' or not. In a truly Clintonesque parsing of words, he claims to BE patriotic while not LOOKING patriotic. Whatever. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

But to me the issue is his lack of moral courage. He is clearly so terrified of losing the radical Left that he is willing to become a Poster Pretzel Boy, twisting himself into all sorts of positions to try to suck up to pretty much everybody, but clearly showing who is calling the shots and pulling the strings.

If you don't respect the symbol of the country you claim to want to lead, then why should anyone vote for you?

Hillary is a lot smarter in courting the radical Left and those who hold the purse strings. She is better at walking the tightrope between appeasing and pandering to the radical element of the party and still trying to not offend or scare off the moderate center, which is what she needs to be elected. Obama just doesn't get it---he thinks a few nut cases out there in Lemming LeftyLand and some of the black vote are all he needs.

But if he's courting the "black vote" with his childish antics, he is in effect saying that he doesn't think blacks love this country. Which tells me he is courting the Black Muslim vote, the Angry Black Man rapper vote, the fringes of the black communities, and failing to recognize the solid citizens who love and respect this country.

Look at that picture. He doesn't look like a rebel, he looks like a doofus.

Jonathan, noticing that someone is a doofus is hardly meeting your semi-profane assessment of how that person feels. More leftist simple-mindedness.......

I love it you use a picture of the man as the National Anthem ended he was bringing his hand down and that was one of a series of pic's that were taken even the First Lady is bringing her hand down at that point as are several people in the picture if you look close. Do a bit a research unlike the websites you guys like to go find and quote before you post something cause it only makes you look stupid not that I think you really care as it really does seem to be the norm in your case.

Oh and the guy next to him doesn't have a pained or disgusted look on his face but then again the normal Liberal face is kinda pained so anything I assume from your normal look would be hard to tell.

Gene and CO,
Because you don't understand our customs I'll explain; the President, as Commander in Chief is the only one in the country allowed to salute the flag while in civilian clothing. The photo is of Mr. Bush finishing his salute, his hand is clearly in motion. Dimwits.

DL I posted this before but they're has been a change to that law now as of just a month or so ago but up til then you were right about the salute in civilian clothes

http://www.nimj.org/documents/S.1877.pdf

Thanks, Michael. Can I assume at the time the photo was taken my assesment was correct?

Either way, Mr. Bush has and always will show respect for the flag and the country; this equivalence argument liberals use is always tiresome, I call it the "Oh, yeah? So's yer ole man" argument.

Whatever embarrassment a democrat conducts it is okay because some republican/conservative/Christian once did something like/as bad/similar to it. They can never defend any act of stupidity, only claim that someone else was stupider.

Again, to me this sends the message loud and clear that Obama is self-centered, and has no love for this nation nor any appreciation for the sacrifices that were exacted for his freedoms.

Well, that's because you're a deluded and paranoid far-right sucker who is begging for any excuse to fall into a frothing rage. Other people? Not so much. That's why they don't care about this non-controversy you're trying to blow up.

I'd tell you to grow up, but your brand of far-right foolishness requires you to stay in perpetual arrested development.

DL-

Why do the navy guys over the right shoulder of the president still have their salute still up and everyone else in the photo still have their hands over their hearts to varying degrees? Is the President a premature saluter or did his tummy hurt?

http://www.tensionnot.com/Weird_Pics419.html

Its OK libs. Rather than saying oops, just continue to argue why it was OK. Shout it from the mountain tops. You're not REQUIRED to show respect. Have that be your argument. Embrace it. Make it be yours.

DL Wrote:

Can I assume at the time the photo was taken my assessment was correct?

Yes you can and should assume that. That picture was almost a year ago when it was taken that law didn't become a law until two months or so ago.

Sleepygene Wrote:

Why do the navy guys over the right shoulder of the president still have their salute still up and everyone else in the photo still have their hands over their hearts to varying degrees? Is the President a premature saluter or did his tummy hurt?

well if you look or had ever been Military you would know that is the COLOR GUARD. they are the last ones to drop a salute do to the fact they have the flag in the first place or the official one anyway. And on the occasion they are not holding Old Glory(the flag they would normally carry which is distinguished by the Gold Fringe) they are given orders by the Sergent of the Guard when they can drop their salute, the command is Order Arms, and you will not drop a salute prior to the command being given period. It is called protocol look it up or better yet join those brave men and women and learn it first hand, it will make a pride swell in your heart that you have never felt before I promise.

Keep trying libbies your never going to understand the pride of a salute or of the honor of living in the greatest country in the world if you don't actually join the military.

Michael-

I know what a color guard is and the color guard is over Bush's left shoulder. It appears they are from the army. The two naval officers mixed within the crowd over Bush's right shoulder certainly do not seem to be part of a color guard. Anyway this whole thing about Obama not being patriotic is poppycock. Real patriotism is serving your country the best way you can. Not by flying a flag on your suv or wearing a lapel pin.

http://www.tensionnot.com/Weird_Pics419.html

OK so try this .....if you think your so right.....go to a military function with a few hundred proud Marine/Army whatever and stand in front of them and disrespect the flag and see what treatment you get. People have died for that flag long before you were even a gleam in your test tubes eyes. Much blood has been shed for it and we are all aware of it on so many levels that your little pea brain couldn't even understand. When I see the flag my heart swells with pride and sorrow at the same time for I know the sacrifice's that have been made by men and women that have died in countless countries around the world and here on American soil to raise that flag high and proud show respect for it or get the F out. You all love Canada and France so much go there. Oh and when you get to that foreign country like Russia/Iran/or whatever Dictator you love make sure you speak it loud and proud how you hate the country and see what happens to ya.

Have a wonderfully Blessed Day Sleepy....

Michael-

I am happy that you have served our country and get such a feeling at seeing our flag. I was just trying to point out the ludicrousness (sp?)of this post questioning Obama' patriotism for not placing his hand over his heart during the anthem. He certainly should have done it, it was a mistake, a small mistake that even President Bush seems to have committed. Respect and reverence for the flag is important but being a good american is more than waving flags and castigating those who don't. It encompasses a whole lot more as you know: serving in the military, serving your community, being active politcally, aiding your fellow citizen, all of these examples and thousands more are what makes people good americans. That is all I am saying. By the by I always respect the flag and the few times in my daily life I am present when the national anthem is played I always cover my heart and sing the words.

I was active duty USMC 1972-1976.
I did not serve for the American flag.
I served to protect the freedoms the American flag represents.
What makes America great is that Americans are are free to salute the flag or to burn it. Neocon-morons just don't get it and that is why they are willing to give away our hard earned freedoms to protect a piece of cloth.

At the singing of the National Anthem, and the flying of our flag, like Michael, I always reflect on the brave men and women who have died in defense of this country and the freedoms we all enjoy.

Nevertheless, while I abhor the thought of it, I still view the desecration of the flag as a free speech issue.

Obama has every right to disrespect the flag, that's his consitutional right. I just think he needs to come clean about it. As do the rest of you leftists.

I view the act as symbolic of your hatred of this country, its system of government and the freedoms that make it great.

Obama has every right to disrespect the flag, that's his consitutional right. I just think he needs to come clean about it. As do the rest of you leftists.

Very true. But he doesn't have the right to remain free from criticism for his disrespect; nor does that give him any credibility to lead the nation that he so woefully disdains.

Leo,

I agree completely

You're not REQUIRED to show respect. There is no controlling legal authority.

Democrats.

mack55, I thought you served so the judge would drop those charges?

Kahn,

You've got it all wrong. No charges were filed against me because your mom told the judge it was consensual.

There is no controlling legal authority requiring you to show respect for the flag. So give those ignorant Democrats a break.

Note: there is no controlling legal authority requiring you to vote for Democrats. So tell those Democrats to go pound sand.

oh and mack- Yah, your mom did the judge, I know. She does put on a good show. I wish your dad wouldn't watch though -its creepy.

No charges were filed against me because your mom told the judge it was consensual.

Same thing your sister told the judge in my case, Mack. I didn't have the heart to tell the judge that ol' sis paid me...

Kahn
Hill 881 S a few clicks from Khe Sanh.
It is where many of the newly issued M-16 rifles mal functioned leading to the deaths of many Marines.

I carried my "14" for most of my tour until they corrected the 16.
Isnt osama obama a member of TROP? What would these cretins know about Honor, Bravery, Duty?

SOOOOOOO mack

YOU were one of the dont ask dont tell bunch.
Figures you sound like a kookified fruit.

NeoConvict4Life,
I'm not talking to you. Kahn's not talking to you. No one's talking to you. Christ get a life!!! No, better yet. Fast forward to the new B4B post about suicide. Have you ever thought about it? Have you ever tried it? Check it out and get back to me.

Same thing your sister told the judge in my case, Mack. I didn't have the heart to tell the judge that ol' sis paid me...
Posted by: Kiefer

So you were paid to have sex with an underaged girl?

Now we get to the real truth why you couldnt get a CCW.
Everday a new factoid is revealed by you...now we know you are a pedophile.
;)