Matt

I watched the video of the Governor's remembrance speech and found it to be truthful and moving. He gets it.

The person who should embarrass you is not in Massachusetts but in the Oval Office, Washington, D.C.

Seems like Deval, like most Democrats, truly has forgotten 9/11.

Period.dot.bingo.

It cannot be a failure of human understanding. The 19 animals that highjacked the aircraft and flew them into the buildings, along with all like them, are not human.

There is nothing to understand about them, just kill them!

I believe there was a failure of human understanding - by both Americans and Al Qaeda. AQ failed to understand:

The US leading a coalition to oust Saddam's Iraq from Kuwait, where muslims were oppressed under Saddam's brutal occupation,

The US entering Somalia to help the UN distribute food to starving muslims,

The US joining the effort by Europeans to bring peace in Bosnia, to stop Serbs from oppressing Bosnian muslims,

The US and UK bombing Serbia to stop Milosevic's troops from killing muslim Kosovars,

The US and UK patrolling "no fly" zones over Iraq to prevent Saddam from killing more Shiite muslims and Kurdish muslims, and

That Saddam was oppressing his own people by using "oil-for-food" money for his own palaces, rather than to help his suffering people, which suffering AQ instead blamed on the US.

As for the American people, we failed to understand what a bunch of vicious hateful monsters AQ were (and still are), even after their attacks on our African embassies and the USS Cole, until they finally hit us here.

Matt - as always you misrepresent things for partisan reasons - for those who even bother to care about the truth here is the full quote:
"Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding. It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other"

note the key part that Matt cut out "AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS".

Secondly - Matt - Deval is 100% correct. Look if you want to stick your head in the sand and just think that all terrorists are insane lunatics that have no motivation for their actions except for hatred of and blood thirst you can go on with your head up your *ss.
Of course it goes with out saying that terrorism is never justified and that it is horrible deplorable acts of violence. But - yes - terrorists have motivation other than just insanity. TO choose to deny that is to choose to have the same tragedies continue - until you learn that you have are dooming yourself to more cycles of endless mindless violence...
Now - before you start jumping all over me about pandering to terrorists - I will state explicitly I am not saying that we change policy to appease terrorists. What I AM suggesting is that we bother to understand the motivations for the actions and the surprising amount of support they have in the world. Understanding that is key to stopping it. As the failure of this administration has shown dropping bombs everywhere just makes the problem worse (AQ is as strong as it was pre 9/11 and terrorism and support for terrorism is higher than it was pre war ). Now you can choose to ignore this or you can choose to start thinking...

I am a resident of Massachusetts and I can't stand Deval. I can't think of one good policy this man has come up with. I voted against him, and I will certainly vote against him again.

Deval won his seat by doing the same thing Obama is doing. His campaign was all empty rhetoric like "We need hope!" etc. I went to a rally at the local community college a few months ago. Every time someone would ask him a question, he would answer with more empty rhetoric, and everyone would cheer because it sounded good. Deval is the kind of soundbites.

I pray someone runs against this man that has more answers, instead of feel good talking points.

"Deval is the kind of soundbites."

kind = king

"Secondly - Matt - Deval is 100% correct."

Another prime example of how dumb liberalT is.

Lew, the sad thing is, they were human. Pretending otherwise does nothing to prevent the next attack. History is full of examples of the evil that lurks in mens' hearts. Facing that fact is an important step in fighting terrorism. They weren't animals, they were men.

Pendergast,
Okay, they're not animals; they're evil! Better? The only way you prevent evil is by eliminating evil.

jbiccum,
I used to tell my students when you use the word "but" it means "everything I just said is meaningless."

See how it fits with this statement

"terrorism is never justified and that it is horrible deplorable acts of violence. But ..."

Now you can choose to ignore this or you can choose to start thinking...

After you, dumb*$$...

the point is simple. You can chose to view the world in comic book terms: captain america versus various evil foes. Or you can view how it is - a complicated mess where actions, ideas, and life is a mess of interwoven complexity. Matt and Mark's plan of viewing terrorism as perpetuated by comic book villi ans who do nothing but seek out death and destruction for no other reason but to cause it undermines the complex nature of our world. Of course there is evil in the world and you can always point to some instances of crazed lunitics - but the fact remains that the majority of terrorists acts were not done arbitrarily. Once you want to come to the real world and step out of the cartoon we can talk

'Seems like Deval, like most Democrats, truly has forgotten 9/11.'

How can anyone forget 9/11 when every Republican is constantly reminding us of it? Its true meaning has been perverted and distorted in order to start wars and re-elect neocon candidates. Where would Rudy be without 9/11? Or Bush? Or Duncan Hunter? Or Nutty Newt? 9/11 was the precept for a presidential power grab and gave the GOP an issue that they believe they shine on- national security. They have pounded us over the head with it at every opportunity, always bringing home the threat of the next attack. 9/11 was an American tragedy- not a Republican one. Yesterday, as a result of such overexposure and partisan demagogery-----I felt nothing.

Lew Waters,

"There is nothing to understand about them, just kill them!"

The 19 hijackers feel the same way about you and those that think like you but are not built of stern enough stuff to die for your beliefs. You and they are cut from the same cloth just one side yellow and the other red. America needs to learn to live with the disruption that israel has known since 1948. It will make you all finally adults instead of the clumsy adolescents you are today.

Can anyone translate into English what liberalT just tried to say?

AAR

Which is the looniest state in the USA?

a. Massachusetts
b. California
c. New York
d. Another blue state

AAR

Perhaps, libT is running for Miss Teenage America. That being the case, it's spot on.

as perpetuated by comic book villi ans who...

Can someone please tell me which comic book this "villi ans" character is in? Sounds like an interesting character.

Perhaps, libT is running for Miss Teenage America.

No, LaMano, libtardT is one of those persons Miss Teenage America was talking about--the ones who can't find the USA on a globe...

Dasein: I used to tell my students when you use the word "but" it means "everything I just said is meaningless."

Perhaps so, but... However... On the other hand...
if you can't recognize the contribution of more than one side of an argument, you can only speak to one side of the argument.

AAR: Can anyone translate into English what liberalT just tried to say?

Ummm... no. That one was particularly opaque. Maybe libT should consider a tag change -- like perhaps Chauncey Gardener?

Okay, I took a dig at libT. And though I don't feel as though I need to offer him (her? -- the gender has never been clarified) an apology I suppose I require him/her a response.

liberalT: Of course it goes with out saying that terrorism is never justified and that it is horrible deplorable acts of violence. But - yes - terrorists have motivation other than just insanity. TO choose to deny that is to choose to have the same tragedies continue - until you learn that you have are dooming yourself to more cycles of endless mindless violence...

I question the "until you learn that" part. It appears to me that the lesson that is supposed to be learned is nebulous -- so much so that it's meaningless. Could you narrow it down, at least a bit?

the point is simple.

You say that and then you proceed to muddy the waters worse than what flows through the Mississippi delta. Once you clean yourself off, maybe we can talk.

Pain "The 19 hijackers feel the same way about you and those that think like you but are not built of stern enough stuff to die for your beliefs. You and they are cut from the same cloth just one side yellow and the other red. America needs to learn to live with the disruption that israel has known since 1948. It will make you all finally adults instead of the clumsy adolescents you are today."

So, pain, I'm not "built of stern enough stuff to die for your beliefs?" 8 years active duty in the United States Army, volunteering for Viet Nam where I spent 18 months counts for what? I'll gladly compare DD214's with you anytime you desire.

Only a fool, or a Ron Paul supporter, would be willing to just accept terror and "learn to live with it."

And no, I am not cut anywhere near the cloth those animals were cut from. For one, I never targeted innocent women, children and civilians. That is the big difference and one you apparently cannot comprehend.

I see the "better red than dead" crowd of before is alive and well and just changed their name to better Jihad than free.

Boy, does Lew hate Ron Paul! Just LOATHES him! Almost as much as Paul supporters love him.

And it's really good to hear that virtually no women, children or civilians were killed in Vietnam. I feel much better now. Thanks, Lew.

But the "red" commies have nothing to do with the jihadists, except when Putin kills them in Chechnya. You gotta keep you hatred better organized. You're muddying the waters.

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The Democrats will never forget 9-11, and it's perpetrator Osama bin Forgotten. Sadly, conservatives can't forget how Saddam perpetrated 9-11, and the Iraqi people Saddam bludgeoned must continue paying the price for generations to come.

sorry if that was opaque - the point I was trying to make is that many people (Bush, Mark, Matt, etc) have a very simplistic view of the world - especially when it comes to the "war on terror". The world view that they expose, basically, is that there are two sorts of people in this world good and evil. By definition of course the US is 100% pure and good - never done anything wrong ever. Further the terrorists are so evil that its not just that their actions are horrible and unjustified (they are of course) but in that simplistic world view they are also done for no other reason than for evil itself. Its the so called "they hate our freedom" argument. They expose the belief that all the terrorists are just simple animals that kill for no reason other then to kill and out of hatred and evilness itself.

The problem with this world view is not only is it completely wrong it is also dangerous. It goes without saying that terrorism is never justified and is deplorable. However, if you want to seriously address terrorism you have to understand why the terrorists attack in the first place. Its just the first logical step in any investigation. For example - when the police investigate a murder one of the first things they try to establish (after the basic of when, where, and who) is why?

Now - every time someone brings this up the Bushbots jump all over them calling them terrorist sympathizers. Nothing could be further from the truth of course. Just like the police want to establish a motive in a murder - if you want to understand how to stop terrorism you have to understand why they perpetrated it in the first place. Just like the investigators in a murder are not sympathizers with the murder - either are those who seek to understand the true causes of terrorism.

The consequences of having such a cartoonish world view are obvious and have been proven time and time again. Take for instance the result of the so called "war on terror". After two military campaigns we have destroyed and killed a lot of terrorists - but they have just been replaced with more terrorists that were created and radicalized by the atrocities of the wars Bush started. So now we are in a situation where we have terrorism and the threat of terrorism against the US worse than what it was before Bush's deceleration of the war on terror and AQ as as strong as it was pre 9/11...

Until you are willing to understand things - living in the world of "they hate our freedom" will do nothing more than continue to propagate the circle of horrible violence...

"The Democrats will never forget 9-11, and it's perpetrator Osama bin Forgotten. Sadly, conservatives can't forget how Saddam perpetrated 9-11, and the Iraqi people Saddam bludgeoned must continue paying the price for generations to come."

The Democrats have forgotten 9-11. Who are we fighting in Iraq? Irish grandmothers? No, muslim jihadis, the same people who attacked us on 9-11, and the same people who would set off a nuke in your living room of they had the chance. They are also the same people the Democrats work so tirelessly to give a victory the likes the world has never seen. Maybe they havn't forgotten 9-11, they just dont care if it happens again. That's undisputable, afterall they gut every attepmt we make to shut down the border, survail terrorist comminications, etc.

Name one person on this blog who said Saddamn perpetrated 9-11. We're waiting.

lib-kblockhead-T,
First rule of holes.

jbiccum,
"Name one person on this blog who said Saddamn perpetrated 9-11."

Ohhh, Ohhh, I know, I know, pick me, pick me ~

CONGRESSIVE did!

...the point I was trying to make is that many people (Bush, Mark, Matt, etc) have a very simplistic view of the world...

This, from the biggest simpleton in the world. What a tool...

keefer - you do realize that as far as I can remember you have never said anything except to hurl random insults at people. I mean never - you haven't said anything of any substance ever. You haven't even attempted to. All you do here is call people asshat (i think about a 2nd grade insult) , told people they are stupid, and correct grammar.

And you are the one calling people simpletons?

Simplistic Views of the world...

Do you mean views like "9/11 was an inside job"? Simplistic like that? Or is it more along the lines of Bush = Hitler? Or are constant conspiracy theories your idea of cogent, nuanced world views?

When it comes to naive, simplistic views, the left leads the way by a HUGE margin.

”Can anyone translate into English what liberalT just tried to say?”

AAR – Why do you bother?