What do you expect from the libs? Remembering this tragedy is baaaad for their political success. They hate the military, and they hate America.

What's really disturbing is how 9/11 is being covered in schools. I heard plenty of calls today on Laura's show, about how the schools want to lump 9/11 in with other events, such as the Dresden bombing, and the paleface massacre of the "peaceful" Indians.

More liberals who hate their country. Bob Grant was right...

Chicago Tribune makes no mention on the front page. But a big mob trial here ended with a guilty verict for five heads of the Chicago Outfit. Chicago loves thier mobsters.

Anyone want to take a guess at how many papers commemerated Pearl Harbor on their front pages in the December 7, 1947 issue?

My guess is, not any.

commemorated - for our resident grammar nazi

Anyone want to take a guess at how many papers commemerated Pearl Harbor on their front pages in the December 7, 1947 issue? - Zero

I will wager to say not to many. Because of the fact that that would have been nearly 30 months AFTER the end of WWII when the Japanese surrendered because we dropped the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in our effort to protect America. Not to mention not having a political faction within our country that encouraged the enemy to stay in the fight as we do now.

Today, we are not allowed to win at all costs for fear of enraging the "world community". I will have you take notice that even after WWII and the A-bombs being dropped, and millions dying in Europe, and 10,000 of our soldiers being killed in one single day, America became more powerful and more respected around the globe.

Neocon,

Outstanding son, outstanding!

Interesting how Osama, if he's still alive, wants America to wallow in 9-11 sorrow, just like the Republicans.

Just more conservatives who hate the American people. It would all be so much easier for conservatives if the American people would just stop demanding things like the truth, and equal justice under the law.

Nations commemorate victories, not Bush administration intelligence failures capitalized on by evil people. And newspapers shouldn't traffic in dead Americans.

Seek justice for the innocent dead, and ask U.S. officials "Where's Osama?"

Answer: "Not in Iraq".

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." - G. W. Bush

congressive,

You might want to adjust your medication. That was one of your more delusional, incoherent rants I have read.

And that's saying something, as you are the King of Delusion.

And incidentally, with his talk of taxation, corporations, global warming and pulling out of Iraq, Osama sounded a lot like Al Gore.

Former Vice President Al Gore launched into guttural screaming in which he charged that President Bush “betrayed the country!” and “played on our fears!” February 10, 2004

Congressive - Osama lives--- in you're heart. Admit it. You hate America as much as he does.

Nations commemorate victories, not Bush administration intelligence failures capitalized on by evil people. And newspapers shouldn't traffic in dead Americans. - congressive

I think we'll all need a translator for this little gem.

Neocon-

I wonder which political faction was in power in America throughout the whole of that war. Did a pretty good job didn't they?

And this "winning at all costs" in Iraq thing, tell us all, just how would you do that? Looks like Bush has been saying that he's giving it his best effort for years now and ah, he's not done such a good job in that deptartment with a compliant Congress in his pocket throughout most of it.

But as we all know in this bizzaro world you inhabit it was the democrats’ fault that we went into Iraq in the first place. And it was there fault that we couldn't find any WMD. It was also the democrats’ fault that we didn't send enough troops to secure the country. AND it was the democrats’ fault that we disbanded the whole of the Iraqi army thus leaving a vacuum for a force of order.

It was also their fault that...

Republicans trusted a charlatan like Ahmed Chalabi as a political leader, failed to listen to experienced commanders like General Shinseki, left whole weapons cashes unguarded for anyone to loot, failed to understand the inner workings of Iraqi society, AND HAVE NOW ADMITTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL FAIL TO ACHIEVE VICTORY IN IRAQ IN THEIR POLITICAL LIFETIME.

You know I'm beginning to see how the Repub....oh wait I mean Democrats have botched this thing.

Math is not a strong suit around here I see.

Osama wants us to wallow in 9-11 fear just like conservatives want, so Kahn thinks I'm pro-Osama. Whaaa? I state that the only thing worse than a non-thinking faith based religious follower is a manipulative faith-based religious leader, and yet somehow I'm a fan of Osama? Frankly, I put Osama in the same loonie bin as the late Jerry Falwell, just like McCain used to.

Neo thinks Osama's talk of LOWER taxes is somehow just like Gore? Whaaa? Do you mean the prank video with sock-puppet Osama, where he freeze frames for minutes at a time while some detached narrator fakes a "Democrats are fond of me" monologue with an Islamically-forbidden dyed-black beard? OH, THAT VIDEO, where Osama is wearing the EXACT same outfit with the EXACT same stack of papers, the EXACT same lighting, and an even darker beard than a previously released video over three years ago?

And if Kahn thinks sending Americans needlessly to their deaths is LOVING America, while Betraeus can't tell if it's making us any safer or not, I'd hate to be in Kahn's call-circle. He seems to think IED-induced brain damage is just a way to show how much he cares.

I wonder which political faction was in power in America throughout the whole of that war. Did a pretty good job didn't they? - Zero

They did a great job. And now I assume you call dropping Atom Bombs on innocent civilians killing hundreds of thousands of them, sending our troops haphazardly into massive combat fire which resulted in over 10,000 of them dying in one single day and millions of other innocent civilians perishing before the war finally came to a close a good job.

This is great Zero, you have finally come around. So which city in Iran should we drop the Atom Bomb? Which part of Iraq should we just annihilate the civilian population?

I would like evryone here to realize that Zero now advocates fighting the GWOT as we did WWII, including Atom Bombs and massive casualties. Thanks Zero, and I thought I was a neocon.

But as we all know in this bizzaro world you inhabit it was the democrats’ fault that we went into Iraq in the first place. - Zero

And if you'll remember, Democrats, along with Republicans, also voted unanimously for the use of force in Iraq. Just FYI.

Do you mean the prank video with sock-puppet Osama, where he freeze frames for minutes at a time while some detached narrator fakes a "Democrats are fond of me" monologue with an Islamically-forbidden dyed-black beard? OH, THAT VIDEO, where Osama is wearing the EXACT same outfit with the EXACT same stack of papers, the EXACT same lighting, and an even darker beard than a previously released video over three years ago? - congressive

And now congressive believes Osama is dead and the tapes were manufactured. Is that because you feel a little embarassed that his speech comes dangerously close to what we here from your Der Leaders?

I think the hinges are coming off of the left.

I don't think we've forgotten. I think we've had our intention drawn away from 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden by the daily loss of life in Iraq.

Yes, 9/11 has touched us all. We all know where we were and how we felt that morning. It was traumatizing.

But for the last few years we've been misdirected and slowly worn down by another tragedy... The Iraq War.

General Petraeus even stated yesterday that he couldn't say if this war was making America safer? Wow...

Our loss of blood and treasure has surpassed the tragedy of 9/11, and it has been a constant wear on the Armed Forces that protect us.

There are people who will try and link 9/11 to the Iraq War, but for most of us we now realize that there was no link... President Bush has admitted to that...

How different would our world be if we had stayed concentrated in Afghanistan. Caught Osama Bin Laden. Rooted out the Taliban, and NEVER seen them return. Stopped the opium trade. And helped rebuild their infrastructure with the coalition we had...

How would the world view us? How would the Middle East have viewed us had we struck decisively, and caught the man responsible?

No, it's not that we have forgotten 9/11

It's that we realize that at that one tragic moment we had a chance to truly shape the world as the world came together... rallied around us in despair, grief and hope.

But instead they saw us turn our wrath on a Country that had no connection... Would we have gotten the same response had we confronted Saudi Arabia? Afterall most of the hijackers, and OBL himself were from there... An obvious link.

But then again we have way too many oil ties with that Country to ever bring up the issue.

Did I say "We"? I personally don't have any ties with Saudi Arabia... I personally would like to know where the money came from that supported this attack? I would like to know some background to each of these Saudi's...? I would like to know who benefits from not asking the tough questions of Saudi Arabia?

Funny (or not so)... We find ourselves stuck in a civil war between Sunni & Shia. Caught between a battle between the Shia (who have ties with Iran) and the Sunni (ties with Saudi Arabia)...

...And General Petraeus can't say he thinks our Country is safer...

I love my Country... but right now I am soooooo disappointed with my government.

Good.

Neoconned-
SIGH!!!!!!!!!
As usually you're taking "liberties" with the truth again. But as I said in your bizarro world truth is lie and lie is truth.

Just need to point out some instances of GROSS INACCURACIES in your bilge.

"And if you'll remember, Democrats, along with Republicans, also voted unanimously for the use of force in Iraq. Just FYI."Neoconned

For YOUR information.........

WRONG!!!

"Unanimously" would suggest that EVERY Democrat voted for that invasion.

Now the truth, NO THEY DIDN"T.

Here are the ones who voted against.

Unanimously? Well couldn't be more than one or two I would guess could it?.......

Senate:

Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

Congress:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington)
John Baldacci (D-Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
John Hostettler (R-Indiana)
Amo Houghton (R-New York)
Jay Inslee (D-Washington)

WOW!!!!!!! Unanimous huh?

"I would like evryone here to realize that Zero now advocates fighting the GWOT as we did WWII" Neoconned

Besides mispelling everyone, here you go being WRONG again. Seems to be a pattern with you neocons.
I never said anything of the kind. As for Truman let's have a look into the man's diary.

Harry S. Truman, Diary, July 25, 1945

"We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction prophesied in the Euphrates Valley Era, after Noah and his fabulous Ark.

Anyway we "think" we have found the way to cause a disintegration of the atom. An experiment in the New Mexico desert was startling - to put it mildly. Thirteen pounds of the explosive caused the complete disintegration of a steel tower 60 feet high, created a crater 6 feet deep and 1,200 feet in diameter, knocked over a steel tower 1/2 mile away and knocked men down 10,000 yards away. The explosion was visible for more than 200 miles and audible for 40 miles and more.

This weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new.

He and I are in accord. The target will be a purely military one and we will issue a warning statement asking the Japs to surrender and save lives. I'm sure they will not do that, but we will have given them the chance. It is certainly a good thing for the world that Hitler's crowd or Stalin's did not discover this atomic bomb. It seems to be the most terrible thing ever discovered, but it can be made the most useful..."

Now I think it's also important to point to the FACT that Truman was roundly against using those terrible weapons against the Chinese in the Korean War, even though he was pushed to by right wing nuts like General MacArthur. A very smart decision by Truman in avoiding an all out WWIII.

Now why don't you get a napkin and wipe off that BS that's around your mouth.

Seems as though I have found Zeros hot button. Thank you for pointing out the weaker, far more seditious population of the Democratic party.

And when one suggests that:

the political faction was in power in America throughout the whole of that war. Did a pretty good job didn't they?

It tends to suggest that you endorse the actions that were applied to win the war. But I see that you realize that you made a HUGE mistake in saying that, so you quickly found something to attribute it to the "right wing nuts".

How selfish, agenda-driven, brainwashed, myopic and indoctrinated you have become.

Have a nice day.

Neo

LOL

Nice dance away from all that "unanimity" in the war vote.
“ Touch a nerve?”
You don't touch my nerves Neo; in fact I find your brand of simplistic logic rather amusing.

It seems you want to have it both ways with regards to WWII. On the one hand you chastise Roosevelt and Truman for their "barbaric" execution of that war but on the other hand you want to use them as a model for how we should deal with Iraq. You even want spread the war into Iran. Insane……Easy boy, easy, good neocon, calm down.... that’s a good boy.......

Also let's point out that Roosevelt held out from entry into the war until an attack on the US.
The 9-11 Commission has already concluded and Administration officials have admitted, albeit in whispered tones, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and had no operational ties with Al Qaeda.

Sorry but Bush ain't no Roosevelt.

Oh Zero, get your panties untangled. Sure, Neocon made an error about the unanimity of the 'Rats votes. However, if you would stop screeching like a little child for a second, answer me this, how many 'Rats voted FOR the war?

Answer: More than voted against. A lot more. So you can scream about unanimity (or lack thereof) all you want but the fact remains the MAJORITY of your craven party voted for this as well. You pussies just don't have the stomach for the fight.

Finally, the amount of video tape, prior to 9/11, recording traitorous democRATs stating their belief that removing Hussein was needed and that he was a threat to world/regional security due to his possession of WMD is massive.

Were they lying then? Are they lying now? How were they duped by W when he wasn't even president yet?

W sure is an amazing fellow. Duping 'Rat congresscritters and senators prior to holding executive office and at the same time he is supposedly too stupid to tie his own shoes but smart enough to fool your "brilliant" side of the aisle.

unreal. how do you morons make it through the day? Union jobs?

On the one hand you chastise Roosevelt and Truman for their "barbaric" execution of that war....Zero

When and how did I do that? Please point to a specific statement I made that chastizes Roosevelt. I happen to think he was a great leader, however he made many tactical errors in WWII.

Also let's point out that Roosevelt held out from entry into the war until an attack on the US....Zero

Germany never attacked the US. And for that matter, Hawaii was not a State at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. So technically, Japan never attacked the US either.

Neocon-

Germany did declare war against us, so they in legal terms attacked us. Iraq neither declared war against us or directly attacked us.

sleepy,

Technically, Saddams assisination attempt on Bush I could be construed as an attack on the US. Secondly, Saddams violation of 17 UN Resolutions stemming from the Gulf War, wherein it stated that the US reserved the right to continue hostilites, could also be considered as a declaration of war and a verifiable reason to attack.

Neo

Germany never attacked the US. And for that matter, Hawaii was not a State at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. So technically, Japan never attacked the US either.

Posted by: neocon at September 12, 2007 01:49 PM

Oh Neoconned,
Two things make your statement a totally sad joke.

The Newlands Resolution
and
The Axis Pact
Take a moment and see how they apply to your thoughtless comment.

Also
"technically" you just insulted 2,333 US servicemen and 68 US citizens. And here we all thought you were "patriot".

Zero,

Did Germany ever attack the mainland of the US? Yes or No

Was Hawaii a state at the the time of the Pearl Harbor attack?
Yes or No

Thise are pretty simple questions, but if you would like I can dumb them down for you.

Secondly, having two nephews currently in Iraq, you offend me, and I am sure every parent of a soldier, everyday with your assinine comments.

Do you give a damn?

Neoconned (now I see why I use that name for you)-

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet ANOTHER history lesson for you?

"Thise are pretty simple questions..."

THESE aren't simple questions at all.

ok here goes......

Japan's attack on an American teritory (see Newlands Resolution), was in and of itself a declaration of war against the United States.
America declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941 as a result.

Due to Japan's treaty with Germany and Italy (see Axis Pact), Germany, in turn, declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941. America responded to this news by declaring war on Germany that very same day.

So you see, declaring war on Germany was just a matter of response to Germany's exhisiting declaration of war against the United States.

Crack a history book before you tangle with me.

sorry "American territory"

sigh.......

I completely understand the "territory" of Hawaii at the time and I acknowledge Germanys declaration of war. That's not the issue.

I am being rather obtuse and technical here to make a point. The devil is in the details, and liberals love picking apart the details, and will play shell games with the details to find fault with this war.

My point is that liberals will tell us that Saddam was never an imminent threat to mainland US, well Hitler was never an imminent threat to mainland US. Liberals will tell us that there was no provocation for the Iraq war, however Saddam attempted to assasinate Bush I and violated 17 UN resolutions stemming from cease fire agreement that he himself signed, which is similar to Hitler firing on our ships. Saddam did everything BUT declare war, and that's probably because Saddam was much more shrewd and calculating than Hitler, realizing that a declaration of war against the US would assuredly mean his demise.

On the other hand, Japan, much like the Taliban and AQ, orchestrated a direct strike on the US.

But the two questions I posed are undeniable. Hitler never was a threat to mainland US, nor did he ever strike it. And Hawaii was not a state at the time of Pearl Harbor. For one who likes the details, those are facts.

Also, your comment that FDR did a fine job in WWII will always be remembered by me, knowing that two Atom bombs killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, 10,000 soldiers were killed in one day, and millions died as a result of the war. And that is what you call a well managed war. Good to know.

"Technically, Saddams assisination attempt on Bush I could be construed as an attack on the US."

Oh, Neocon, please spare Us.

The CIA had no fewer than 48 agents in and around the Hussein regime from 1986 through 2005. had there been a legitimate threat to the life of former President Bush it would have been known about far in advance. This also means those operatives knew Saddam was misled about WMD progress especially that of nuclear weapons. The Israel bombing of the reactor at Osirak in 1981 [which the US ambassador to the UN condemned] effectively ended the Iraqi nuclear bomb ambition though not the charade of the program.

GOP 4 ME DC is a gravy train and few members of either house are willing to step on such patriotic touchstones as the "troops" or "9/11" even if they know them to be damaging or a farce. It is more important for most of them to be in thir office reaping wealth beyond the average citizens imagining through campaign contributions than it is to do what's right for the US citizenry. We know that goes for most Democrats as well as most Republicans.

Here's an example for you: if aliens landed on the front lawn of the White House and showed the president that they were the creators of the Universe do you think that he would go on TV and announce that he had found the Creator? A point of fact wilts in the light of political expediency. Washington is Hollywood for people you never want to see naked.

Partisanship and division is profit. So no one is being a traitor they are just being honest to their inherent greed and lust for money and power.

Qu'ul cuda praedex nihil!

Game, set, and match, neocon.

You lose again, Broder...

Pain-

Look like Keefer's following his hero and claiming "mission accomplished" before "victory" is achieved. What a surprise.

Neo-

"My point is that liberals will tell us that Saddam was never an imminent threat to mainland US, well Hitler was never an imminent threat to mainland US."

Still trying to connect Iraq to WWII? Apart from it making you look foolish, you're completely wrong because you're elevating one minor dictator and deminishing a legitimate one.
Hitler posed a threat to America because the Japanese attack on us was just what he was waiting for to widen the war. He exclaimed at hearing the news of the attack that this was just what he needed. Eventually the plan was to make the Americans sue for peace after invasions of the east (germany) and west (Japan) coasts.

As for your very weak Bush 1 assassination "attempt" justification, there was no attempt. It never got past the "what if" stage and sorry but even our government make those "what if" senarios.

You're not going win here so just give that up.