whether any one of us wins or looses is immaterial in the long run.

Posted by Mark Noonan at September 11, 2007 12:01 AM

Is that another falsehood that lets you sleep at night? No, your wrong, you have no idea. The difference is heaven on earth or hell on earth. I know.

USA,

No, it is a recognition that God is in control and that all will come out right in the end - my personal success or failure, or the personal success or failure of any other individual, is immaterial.

Tommorrow makes 6 years that the United States has not been attacked again. Don't everyone thank President George W. Bush all at once.

For whatever it is worth, I have posted the tribute to Touri Hamzavi Bolourchi which I originally created in 2006 as a participant in Project 2996. If anyone is interested, it can be seen at http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/?p=1139

Dennis Kucinich has appeared on Syrian tv and blasted the United States. It is time to take it to these traitors. He has broken the law and provided aid and comfort to the enemy with this propaganda. He must be held accountable.

Statistically, there are more people on earth who believe it's all in Allah's, Shiva's and/or Buddha's hands than in God's.

Believing "it is all in God's hands" is the ultimate ego-driven selfish act of irresponsibility. It's simply a way to deny culpability.

Christopher Hitchens is a drunk, self-serving pal of future Iraqi President Chalabi, but on one issue he's dead right: religion spoils everything.

Believing "it is all in God's hands" is the ultimate ego-driven selfish act of irresponsibility. It's simply a way to deny culpability.

Believing anything Broder posts is the ultimate brain-dead act of laziness. It's simply a way to deny logic and free-thinking.

Broder, Mark didn't post this thread so you could slam his beliefs, but you can't help yourself, can you? It's the price you pay for being a BDS-inflicted idiot...

May God rest those killed & maimed in 9/11 especially the emergency workers who gave their lives while trying to save others.

It absolutely galls me that bin Laden hasn't been killed or captured.

And the ONLY reason that is "unimportant", or "doesn't matter (anymore)" is because...

...AFTER SIX YEARS WE STILL HAVE NOT KILLED OR CAPTURED BIN LADEN!

USA, congressive, do you even realize how much hatred is displayed with ever word you write? It doesn’t seem to matter what was said, only that if you perceive it to be different from your mindset, you’re determined to spray hatred in every direction.

As Mark said, how do you even have a discussion with someone like that?

Broder, Mark didn't post this thread so you could slam his beliefs, but you can't help yourself, can you?

Keefer, congressive was expressing HIS opinion on what was said by Mark. By your own admission, you are the 'attack dog' on this blog so I guess it's inevitable that you jump to the aid of your owner. We get it.

Mark

Why has the comment section of the first thread been closed?

religion spoils everything. - congressive

Mans interpretation of Gods word spoils everything congressive.

Here is an excellent article on OBL since Ohio is so obsessed with him.

One conclusion to draw from the new Osama bin Laden video tape is that the mastermind of 9/11 apparently is worrying about his relevance these days.

And judging by the transcript, he has good reason to worry about it. Among other things, bin Laden maunders about corporations causing global warming and the Democrats failing to get the U.S. out of Iraq. Speculation is already rife that he is wearing a fake beard, since his grey of a few years ago has mysteriously disappeared. It seems he's either lost his mind, or is the victim of a covert action campaign.

The new tape aside, it's hard to imagine that bin Laden is happy about what he's wrought in the last six years since 9/11. How can he not see that he is accountable for the death of tens of thousands of Muslims, nearly all of them believers, innocent of any crimes against Islam? Whether he intended it or not, bin Laden is largely responsible for destroying Iraq. And displacing two million Iraqi Muslims.

Bin Laden has lost in the Kingdom. The Saudi royal family is still standing, having rooted out bin Laden's networks. Saudi Arabia is no closer now to the Islamic caliphate bin Laden envisaged than it was before 9/11. And Iraq has shown his vision of a supranational radical Islam to be more of a pipe dream than a reality.

The same is true for the rest of the Middle East. Without exception, regimes across the Middle East, from Pakistan to Morocco, are more repressive than they were before 9/11. It's arguable they are more stable and better prepared to crush bin Laden's extremist interpretation of Islam.

September 11 has not forced the United States to lessen its support to Israel. In fact, it has been increased - and with fewer questions. Likewise the United States is less inclined to protest human rights violations in the Middle East.

I have no doubt that bin Laden can and will mount a terrorist operation, anything from bombing the London tube to an attack on New York's subway. Thanks to the Internet, a suicide bomber under bin Laden's sway can buy all the chemicals he needs from his local pharmacy to fabricate a bomb. He also can find the religious guidance, as specious as it might be, to justify the act.

Bin Laden should know by now that if he does manage a terrorist attack, the only thing he should count on is a hardening of America and its allies' positions. Especially in Europe. An attack there, such as the foiled plot in Germany, would sweep away European unhappiness about secret prisons and Guantanamo, once again lining Europe behind the U.S. in its war against Al-Qaeda.

Islamic history will remember Osama bin Laden as a bad Muslim. Islamic canon is formal: a Muslim leader must do everything he can within his power to prevent fitna - civil war between Muslims. And that is exactly what Bin Laden has done in Iraq, drawing us into a war and creating the circumstances for Shia and Sunni to kill each other. Whether or not al-Qaeda is responsible for every market truck bomb in Iraq or not, it will be laid at bin Laden's feet.

With this kind of carnage tied to his name, bin Laden would be better off staying put in his cave and keeping his mouth shut.

Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer assigned to the Middle East, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of See No Evil and, most recently, the novel Blow the House Down

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Enjoyed reading the comments in your comments page.

For everyone's info we at Bookyards have put together a comprehensive list of 9/11 links and resources on its blog at http://bookyards.blogspot.com/

kimberly4bush

I am perplexed as to why bin Laden has been forgotten as being the instigator of 9/11 by supporters of the Iraqi war. Have you all developed amnesia?

Don't you want the person responsible for the slaughter of so many of your countrymen brought to justice? How can you be so indifferent to the real culprit (IT WAS NOT IRAQ) of September 11, 2001? Unbelievable!

I'm still upset they never caught DB Cooper; and he was right here in the USA.

"Islamic history will remember Osama bin Laden as a bad Muslim. Islamic canon is formal: a Muslim leader must do everything he can within his power to prevent fitna - civil war between Muslims. And that is exactly what Bin Laden has done in Iraq, drawing us into a war and creating the circumstances for Shia and Sunni to kill each other. Whether or not al-Qaeda is responsible for every market truck bomb in Iraq or not, it will be laid at bin Laden's feet."
Posted by: kimberly4bush at September 11, 2007 11:22 AM

There may be some that will eventually blame Bin Laden, but I doubt that the majority of Muslims will blame him for Iraq. That blame will fall directly on the US and George Bush. Bin Laden didn't attack Iraq, we did. But, this war has been the greatest recruiting card for Bin Laden. To believe otherwise is more wishful thinking on the part of those write such nonsense as above. It truly is time that we, as Americans, take an honest and realistic look at the world and what is happening. We are in fact, hated, and probably will be attacked again. We do not have that many "friends" across the world who will come to our aide at this time. We do need to fight this war against Islamic terrorists, but in a smart way. We need to go after Bin Laden and get him - he is the one responsible for the tremendous loss of life on September 11, 2001.
Stop trying to tie 9/11/2001 to Sadam Hussein. Iraq had nothing to do with that fateful day in our history.

Canadian,
Twenty-four of those killed in the WTC were Canadian. Why aren't you doing anything about that? Don't you care? Was there another mass murder of Canadians that was more important? (Hypocrite)

kimberly - you can take it to the bank that if we did kill or capture bin Laden it would be heralded from the highest mountain!

it would significantly damage AQ & be more historical than Sadaam's capture.

it probably would be powerful enough for the GOP to recapture Congress plus retain the Presidency!

don't confuse the tactical with the strategic.

Canadian,
Twenty-four of those killed in the WTC were Canadian. Why aren't you doing anything about that?

Posted by: Rathaven at September 11, 2007 12:34 PM

Rathaven

Following 9/11, Canada sent forces to Afghanistan; you know, where the terrorists had actually trained. Our brave men & women are still there. They are NOT fighting in a country that had nothing to do with the loss of Canadian citizens on that terrible September day. Not only have we lost some of our troops to the enemy in Afghanistan but we have also lost some of our men to our American allies in several 'friendly fire' incidents. Why they call in friendly, I have no idea.

USA,

No, it is a recognition that God is in control and that all will come out right in the end - my personal success or failure, or the personal success or failure of any other individual, is immaterial.

Posted by: Mark Noonan at September 11, 2007 12:57 AM

Who is destroying and controlling the world? God or the god wannabes: Conservatives? Fact is that conservatives have more control over men's lives than God does.

This world is run by evil, greedy, selfish children/men, not by God.

Because, these evil men, like you, want control over men, because they don't want God to be in control, you take that power. If you let God be in control you would fail. Your excuses mean nothing. I know you can't prove me wrong.

CO: Where did I state we should forget about OBL in my post? Unbelievable!!

Sunny: Where in the article does it state Saddam had something to do with 9/11?

Can you neorads read?

Ohio: You're probably right about our catching or killing OBL ... However, we have done quite a bit of damage to AQ and him. That is evident from his rambling video about nonsense. He's most likely lost his mind after living in a cave for 6 years.

Afghanistan didn’t attack Canada: Afghans wern't involved with 9-11; not a single Afghan killed one Canadian; bin Laden did, and in case you missed the memo; he isn’t in Afghanistan, he’s in Pakistan. He was in Afghanistan but your troops let him go and didn't follow him into Pakistan.

Why are the Canadians still in Afghanistan, and what are you doing to capture/kill bin Laden? (hypocrite!)

CO, is your memory that short?

The terrorist training camps in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak that were directed by Iraqi military units were real and not made up by Bushbots. Iraqi officials were interrogated and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence that many of the fighters that were trained at these camps were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda. From information gathered, some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000...8,000...CO! Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.
Now, I understand the dilemna you're faced with: Do I stay the course as a lemming and ignore the fact that terroists did exist in Iraq pre-invasion, or do I acknowledge the fact that terrorists were already there?

I know it's a tough decision, but if you'd look closely at the facts, rather than kook liberal talking points, you'd understand that Iraq WAS a breeding ground.

Rathaven,
Canadian servicemen and women are honorably fighting and dying in the war on terrorists.

They’re in Afghanistan because that’s one of the fronts in this war. Lest we forget, it isn’t a war on Osama bin Laden; it’s a war on the Islamic terrorists wherever they may be. CO would like to think America is weak because we haven’t pursued ObL into Pakistan and made him the sole target of our retribution; but Canada is doing no more or less than we are on that front.

Canadian Observer, direct your petty criticisms at your own lack of determination to bring ObL to justice.

There's Canadians in Afghanistan? Hell, no wonder we haven't caught bin Laden!!!

OhioOrifice, I agree with you--if we capture or kill bin Laden, it would "significantly damage AQ." For about a week.

Note to fellow bloggers: CO just accused our troops of murder.

Note to kimberly: Don't respond to CO; he's an idiot who is invested in our defeat in Iraq, the main battlefront in the War against Islamic Extremists.

That's dilemma for those that care...LOL!

Of course you’re right, Bane.

The brave and dedicated men and women from Canada are doing all they can to stem the tide of radical Islamofascists, I’d like to see Canada do more but they are a small, weak nation dependent upon the US for their very existence and safety. That doesn’t take away anything from their military who man-for-man are some of the best fighting troops in the world; unfortunately they, like our military are in the business of protecting the soft, mushy rear-ends of cowardly hypocrites like CO and sunny.

keefer,
CO is just using the liberals' favorite weapon; when you lose the argument; change the subject. Like Schumer and Kennedy, if you have the law, argue the law; if you have the facts, argue the facts; if you have neither, divert attention by slurring and defaming our troops!

But, don't call them un-patriotic! Hypocrites!

September 11, 2001 was a horrific day in U.S. history. The blow to the American psyche was unprecedented.

I apologize if I have offended any one of you; it was not my intention to open the wound.

congressive,

No, religion doesn't spoil everything - men spoil everything. This is because Man is fallen, and only by grace of God are a saving number of men made into civilized beings capable of doing the right thing at least some of the time. Hitchens is a brilliant writer, but fundamentally flawed in that he doesn't understand that his whole way of life is entirely dependent upon people who worship God and keep His commandments as best they can.

CO,

He hasn't been forgotten - but he is dead. And even if he were other than a grease spot in the Tora Bora, this is a War on Terrorism, not a War on Bin Laden.

There was no "wound" to open, CO, so your apology was meaningless.

9/11 was not a "sh*t happens" moment--it changed America forever. We patriots will never forget...

Deleted - paranoid conspiracy theory

Betraeus?

You disgusting piece of filth!

Mark,
I thought you once posted that purveyors of the discredited conspiracy crap would have their posts deleted. That piece of filth above my post not only attempted to sully the reputation of an honorable man, but spewed the fevered conspiracies of the Michael Moore which had been proven to be crap years ago.

Why hasn’t congressive been banned?

Unfortunately, some kind of "patriots" will never forget that Iraq attacked us on 9-11...

Congressive,

Well, for the record, True patriots will recognize, that Radical Jihad is World-Wide ...Hmmmm, I wonder why we call this thing the GWOT?

Furthermore, why would anyone who proclaims themselves - "patriots," want to surrender in a time of world-crisis fighting the forces of Evil Radical Jihad??

Mind boggling.
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Finally, on this day of commemoration of 9/11/01 -

May God be with the families who lost Loved-Ones, and the horrible memories that they reflect upon during that time of Sorrow, and Tragedy!!!

May God bless those Firemen, and all the Rescue Teams, and all who helped in rescue for their tireless Bravery!!!

May God bless George W. Bush for making provident the way, that Justice be duely served in this injustice so blindly befalling our Great country!!

May God bless our fine Military men and women in uniform - Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard - No matter the hardship we face... no matter the burden we bear, We will be there!!!

We will never forget!!!

Jeremiah

Jeremiah,
Amen, brother.

Because you're dead wrong about Broder being a neocon tool, and you made an ass of yourself a few months ago in a comment you made about him.

You think you're funny, with the "Betraeus" crap? You're an (expletive deleted), and you should be banned. Also, Broder, we know who attacked us on 9/11, and we know who was a gathering threat. It's you who don't know crap. It's you who should star in the next AQ beheading video; but don't worry, son--only the good die young.

Ya know OhioO - there's a 100 million dollar price on his head. Head on up to northwestern Pakistan and get him. Need directions?

Kahn,

I wonder if bin Laden really is still in Pakistan? Some of the talking heads have mentioned that the beard looks fake, and that that might mean he is in an area where wearing a beard would make him stand out. A very frightening thought. Course OhioO is welcome to go to the Tribal area of Pakistan, but I doubt he would last very long before converting to Islam to save his sleazy neck.

Rath,

We give Congressive a pass because he's normally not quite so off the wall - but his paranoid, conspiracy-theory-laden rant has been excised from this blog.