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August 28, 2007
What Media Bias? Part 100

This goes to Chris Wallace, who smacks down liberal-hack-turned-"journalist" Bill Moyers:

WALLACE: Time now for some mail -- actually, one letter from liberal commentator Bill Moyers. You may remember in my interview with Karl Rove last Sunday, I asked him about a Moyers statement that Rove is reportedly an agnostic who manipulated the Christian right for political gain. Well, Rove answered that he's an observant Episcopalian and Moyers, quote, "ought to do a little better research before he does another drive- by slander."

Bill Moyers didn't like that and sent me this letter, which he also posted on his Web site. He quoted four print stories for his contention that Rove is agnostic, none of which offer any proof other than what Rove supposedly told colleagues over the years.

Then Moyers wrote this. "Obviously, Rove wanted to blow smoke because his version of reality is undermined by his own previous statements and by the reporting and analysis of journalists who have done their homework and don't take his every word as gospel, no pun intended."

Well, to save on postage, Bill, here's my response. If you want to find out about someone's religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him.

If you had talked to Rove, as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church. Of course, you never called Rove.

That's reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flim-flamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don't worry about the facts.

It is, indeed, reporting 101 - and it is, mostly, what our reporters in the MSM simply will not do. All too commonly, MSMers just want to know the angle - how some recent factiod fits in with the MSM's pre-conceived notion of how it should be going, rather than how it is. In the specific case cited, the desire that Rove should be a cruel cynic manipulating Christians was just too good an angle to have any actual facts interfere. Many is the time here on Blogs for Bush where a lefty commenter has tried to sell us on the notion that Rove - and/or the whole GOP leadership - is bamboozling Christians by playing up to our hatreds and fears, but that they have no intention of actually doing what we Christians want. Moyers, sans evidence, believes this, as his letter to Wallace indicates - it is, you see, much better, for a liberal, to think that the other side wins via skullduggery because if it is ideas which causes conservative victories, then the entire liberal/left worldview is invalidated.

Ultimately, that is the source of MSM bias - a demand that reality fit liberal/left ideology; and anything which doesn't fit is to be ignored, and anyone who brings it up is to be mercilessly hammered. Congratulations to Mr. Wallace for showing what a jerk Bill Moyers is, and congratulation to Bill Moyers for being our 100th example of media bias.

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Posted by Mark Noonan at 01:05 AM | Comments (16) | Track



Comments

Yep. Hate and ignorance fills in the gaps nicely. It works for Moyers, it works for all of the moon bat left.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 01:50 AM


Well, here's Moyer's actual (you know, quoted) letter:

August 21, 2007

Chris Wallace
Fox News Sunday

Dear Chris Wallace:

I just came upon your interview last Sunday with Karl Rove during which you asked him to respond to my comments on his departure from the White House. It appears that you only selected a one-sentence excerpt from what I said. The sentence you used reads: “You have to wonder how all those folks on the Christian Right must feel discovering they were used for partisan reasons by a skeptic, a secular manipulator.” Without any challenge or follow-up from you, Rove said that he is a Christian, goes to church, and is an Episcopalian, and that “Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit better research before he does another drive-by slander.”


Now, what I said, after discussing Rove’s documented appeals to religious prejudice for partisan purposes, was: “At his press conference this week he [Rove] asked God to bless the President and the country, even as reports were circulating that he himself had confessed to friends his own agnosticism; he ‘wished he could believe, but he cannot.’ That kind of intellectual honesty is to be admired, but you have to wonder how all those folks on the Christian Right must feel discovering they were used for partisan reasons by a skeptic, a secular manipulator.”


If you had checked, you would have found that his agnosticism, or questioning of faith, has indeed been in the news specifically in connection to his political expediency in the manipulation of believers. There were several references to it online as well as in print journalism last week. The San Antonio Express News, which knows Rove well, wrote in an editorial (August 14): “The White House will miss his indubitable political acumen. What other agnostic could have mobilized hundreds of thousands of conservative Christians behind a political banner?” On TheAtlantic.com (“No One Like Karl Rove,” August 13) Marc Ambinder wrote: “I could be wrong here, but I distinctly recall conversations with Rove friends who’ve told me that his struggles with faith did not lead him to Jesus Christ. Yet he knew and understood how to interact with (and manipulate, at times) the standard-bearers of the evangelical Right and the Catholic conservative intellectual elite. . . . .” James Moore (“The Rove Goes on Forever”: http://www.huffingtonpost.com ) wrote that “[Rove] told his friend Bill Israel years ago that he was agnostic and that ‘he wished he could believe, but he cannot.’” In their book on Rove, Wayne Slater, former Austin bureau chief for The Dallas Morning News, and Moore, a veteran journalist write: “Rove once told a colleague that he had no religious affiliation and was ‘not a Christian.’” And so on and so on and so on. All of these sources were available to you as they were to me.


Obviously Rove wanted to blow smoke because his version of reality is undermined by his own previous statements and by the reporting and analysis of journalists who have done their homework and don't take his every word as gospel – no pun intended.

Sincerely,

Bill Moyers

Rove may or may not have manipulated Christians to serve his personal vision of governance. But there are certainly former colleagues of his that claim he has told them as much. If you choose to believe someone on their way out of the political limelight who denies there reports - with a reason to justify his career and good name - well, that's your prerogative.

I just ask that you get your head out of your ass WRT whether or not reporting on such things is somehow improper "bias."

Posted by: winnowhead [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 04:35 AM


Reporting such thing without even bothering to interview the person you are making them about? Yes, it is Bias.

Posted by: Ryan at August 28, 2007 06:31 AM


Chris Wallace, and the other so-called journalists still blindly supporting this administration are nothing but sorry-a** hacks when compared to Bill Moyers.

His whole career has been built on basic honesty and integrity; he has produced some of television's best and insightful investigative programs. With his elegant and soft-spoken delivery, his intellect and perceptive questions, Moyers' body of work puts Chris Wallace and the rest to shame; he leaves them all behind to wallow in the muck.

Posted by: Canadian Observer [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 07:53 AM


Just walk up to Karl Rove and ask him for the truth; reporting 101. We are talking about the inventor of the two biggest Presidential smear campaigns in U.S history; the disgusting smearing of John McCain in the South Carolina primary; the Bush campaign put out he “sired” an out of wedlock baby, and push polling labeled this war hero as a liar and pro abortion non Christian. But the Swift-Boating of John Kerry will be his crowning achievement.

I do give congratulations to Mark for allowing winnowhead to post the entire letter, which shows you are back at media bias 99. But if this is the best you can do can 99 be accurate.

I took notice of Chris Wallace’s use of the term “drive by” a typical Rush Limbaugh term; Fox News unfair and unbalanced.

Posted by: Plainjane at August 28, 2007 08:25 AM


Bill Moyers lost his objectivity long ago. Its a testament to the leftist bias of PBS & NPR, that he is employed there being paid with taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: phnx at August 28, 2007 08:31 AM


Considering the loins from which Chris Wallace sprung I would expect better Journalism from him. If any of you who read this have a brain let me tell you something that the non professionals who write this blog would have you believe, "Every thing that comes from the vocal chords of a member of the Bush administration must be true." Now for Hitler or Stalin's favorite editor that might have worked but it doe not work where I live or in the United States in any professional news room. Wallace goes on what Rove says he does where I would need three verifiable sources. Rove likely very well made a large contribution to his church but what person who wanted to be seen in the eyes of people who really worship money and power as devout would not make that play?

Wallace to stroke the backs of his masters seeks to give Rove cover by swallowing the hook the line and the sinker. How far do you think the GOP would have gotten in hoodwinking the religious right if those people sitting in pews every Sunday knew Rove was an agnostic? And this plays into why the right is having such a devil of a time with sex and corruption scandals, real one not like the ones that are sort of on the periphery of what is politic and what is not in the shady operations in that swamp Americans call a national capital.

And another thing Noonan, when you write a book that actually gets somewhere on any bestseller list I'll give you a job as a reporter; until then I would ask you not to denigrate a great American like Bill Moyers. Unlike the personages you owe wealth and loyalty to Moyers would fight for your rights to dissent against anyone who sits in the big chair in the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsy Ave. That is the understanding of politics that your kind have lost and that is why your dreams of permanent majority have failed and will continue to fail until in two decades the GOP becomes a political afterthought.


Qu'ul cuda praedex nihil!

Posted by: Cavalor Epthith, Esquire at August 28, 2007 08:43 AM


Ah Mark. Of course if you had actually bothered to do any research of yourself you would have found out that in fact Moyers was commenting on the interview with a high school friend in which the friend had said Karl had told him he was an agnostic. Of course you didn't bother to read the original story nor the one that Moyers was commenting on. You did however read every lying lie of Cris Wallace and buy it hook line and sinker. Now, talk about media bias

see
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/08/response_to_my_fellow_texan.html

for details.. None of that matters if you like your news loud, wrong, and biased (ie. Fox news)

Posted by: liberalT [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 09:24 AM


"Chris Wallace, and the other so-called journalists still blindly supporting this administration are nothing but sorry-a** hacks when compared to Bill Moyers."

Maybe you should do some research yourself. Chris Wallace is non-paritsan in his reporting. He asks very inconveniant questions to both Dems and Republicans. He is very respected on both sides of the aisle. However Moyers is a blatent leftist, who has made an ass of himself many times over. But he's your hero for some reason. I wonder why?

Posted by: jbiccum [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 12:30 PM


Bill Moyers makes no secret of his opposition to the Bush Administration, nor of his liberal background, though he also says that he tries to present the truth as he sees.

Chris Wallace pretends to be wholly unbiased, but he consistently repeats conservative talking points as if they were the unvarnished truth. Also, has essentially thrown his own father under the bus whenever he has made statements that rankle his Fox News superiors, essentially implying that he is senile because, you know, he says things that contradict the conservative mindset. Clearly gone around the bend.

That aside, the issue of Karl Rove's beliefs, his statement that he wished he could be a believer but is not, has been reported in numerous mainstream news venues. That, of course, is not proof of what goes on in Rove's spiritual heart.

For that, I point you to his behaivior towards, say, John McCain. Obviously, a true Christian.

Posted by: Bob at August 28, 2007 01:01 PM


Cavalor: Considering the loins from which Chris Wallace sprung I would expect better Journalism from him.

Personally, I think "the loins from which Chris Wallace sprung" should be very proud. I think Chris Wallace is among the best, and perhaps THE BEST interviewer in the business at the present time. Sure he has lapses here and there, but I think he's great. The only other I'd put in the same ballpark is George Stephanopoulis. And even then it's like comparing Mickey Mantle to Bobby Richardson.

Granted, at this particular time at bat, Wallace didn't challenge Karl Rove with the hearsay evidence Bill Moyers ferretted out (that would have been entertaining), but then again Bill Moyers (apparently) never attempted to ask the question directly to Karl Rove. Why not? Did I miss something?

Anyway, I agree with jbiccum on this one: Moyers IS a blatant leftist. And Chris Wallace IS respected on both sides of the aisle. That doesn't mean either one should be believed or disbelieved in the absence of evidence of the facts they expose, it's just to say your percentages are better with Chris than Bill.

Posted by: Ricorun [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 01:18 PM


Karl must be so hurt. No doubt Max Cleland, the triple amputee from Vietnam who was made out by Rove to be soft on terrorism in the 2002 elections, has no feelings about having his good name dragged through the mud.
If Rove is a good example of a Christian, then so must Ted Haggard and Mark Foley. Your people, Mr. Noonan, are getting what they've been given. Take it like a man, and stop whining.

Posted by: Just Another Taxpayer [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 03:43 PM


His whole career has been built on basic honesty and integrity; he has produced some of television's best and insightful investigative programs. With his elegant and soft-spoken delivery, his intellect and perceptive questions, Moyers' body of work puts Chris Wallace and the rest to shame; he leaves them all behind to wallow in the muck.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!! One kook leftist singing the praises of another.

Excellent post, Rico--cuts through the bias of the rest like a hot knife through butter.

Chris Wallace spanked Billy-Boy good. And some of you lemmings would do yourselves some good by researching what Moyers, a partisan hack, did while he worked for LBJ. I won't hold my breath...

Posted by: Ted Nugent '08!!! [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 07:21 PM


Wow, I read hate for Wallace and Rove - but NO facts. Yet you ignore a blatent obvious example of bias and poor reporting.

Hating us does not make your lies OK. Get it?

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 28, 2007 10:53 PM


Moyers is the biggest reason than I have not given to PBS in years..yeah, I know my tax dollars do..but..
I finally wrote a letter to my local PBS statiaon and told them if they ever got his sorry,lying, money grubbing hypocrital arse off the airwaves. I might come back...but don't count on it...
and stop sending me stuff in the mail...

Posted by: Xango Annie at August 29, 2007 12:38 AM


Annie - and you just know they've probably given your address to the local Democratic Party fundraiser. They've been caught doing that multiple times.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 29, 2007 01:02 PM