More and more I'm certain that no matter who wins the White House next year, by about mid-2009, we're going to be missing the clear, decisive leadership of President Bush.

Moreso with a Her Thighness or an Earbama than with a Rudy or a Fred, IMHO. While I can find fault with my President on many of his domestic issues--immigration, NCLB, trying to get along with the Ted Kennedy crowd--he has been steadfast on fighting terror, and not backing down on the Battle of Iraq in the Global War against Islamic Extremists.

His poll numbers? Well, when you do the real heavy lifting on issues that can become unpopular, with the help from the drive-by traitors, your popularity can be tarnished. Although I'm sure the media hammered Slicky Blue Dress for waging his war in the Balkans, huh?

Hey, if we're still going hard and heavy in Iraq next year, do you think the Donkaroach convention will be like the convention in '68? I hope so; I love it when the left is angry...

If We can just get him to hold on to the anchor long enough for the elections to take place in Nov 2008. How many GOP candidates do you think will seek to have the President come out to the stump for them? We, Ourselves, hope the GOP wins the White House and you can get to make this into a Blogs for Romney or Blogs for Rudy so you will have to explain with talking points and vitriol why the dead casualty numbers in Iraq have crossed 5 000 and then 10 000 and attempt to blame them on the opposition. When every measure to make democracy out of sand and blood has failed after four years of more tax cuts for those who have health care and financial security and big contracts for corporations maybe by 2012 after they bomb you while you are still fighting al Qaeda over there you will decide even you cannot stomach to foolish lies anymore.

"Americans are the least prepared mentally to deal with on going campaigns of terror because their very existence depends on being able to come and go in safety and without hindrance."

In those words are wisdom and a blue print for your defeat unless you measure your ways rationally and cease the partisanship on both sides. Seek the center and progress toward greatness; seek archaic control through superstition and be damned.

Yes, whomever claims the White House in '08 has one hell of a mess to clean up. Has any incoming President needed to deal with such a list of incompetent decisions and actions committed by his or her predecessor?

Good luck to the next President of the United States of America. Let's hope he or she is up to the task and will repair the terrible damage inflicted by the Bush administration.

"deal with such a list of incompetent decisions and actions"

Too funny..... You can use the same line in 2011 after 3 years of the next President, whether Dem or GOP

"deal with such a list of incompetent decisions and actions"

Too funny..... You can use the same line in 2011 after 3 years of the next President, whether Dem or GOP

Yes CO, we got it. Huge mess, terrible damage. If you click you heels while you say it, does it become true?

Hey, if we're still going hard and heavy in Iraq next year, do you think the Donkaroach convention will be like the convention in '68?

Funny that you should say that, TN08. They showed clips of the violence and demonstrations at the '68 convention on the news a couple nights ago, and I told my wife that I wouldn't be surprised to see history repeat itself next summer. Those demonstrations gave people who hadn't been paying much attention up until then a close-up look at the kinds of kooks that dominated the Donk party, and Nixon came back from the dead to win. Today those kooks' kids and grandkids are dominating the Donk party, and I think, when push comes to shove, the majority of voters are going to be reluctant to hand them the reigns of power.

Please - you live in a fairy tail. I have seen no evidence that anything has gotten any better at all on the whole:

(1) 1/3 of the country still lacks basic services such as clean water, food, basic health needs

(2) the government cannot get any reform and essentially paralyzed by the fact that major factions have walked out of the government

(3) civilian deaths are HIGHER than they were in 2006

There is no political progress. There is no military progress - just empty rhetoric. Every time you post something like this you point to tiny little things - drops in the bucket. At one point you even pointed to a group of 42 people being pro-american as a sign of the great progress in Iraq. Don't you ever read the news. If you are so crazy that you don't believe anything that comes out of NBC, ABC, or CNN. Perhaps you can even listen to FOX when they tell you that the Iraqi surge report will come out and tell us we are failing 13 of the 18 benchmarks.

Only someone who has stuck their head in the sand and decided to stop listening to reality could possibly claim that their is progress. General P is even talking about a 10 YEAR occupation. 10 more years at the least before he believes things will be stable. It didn't even take that long in Nazi Germany.

Mark - you represent nothing but failure. Just like Bush you are so invested in this failure you will not admit it . By guess is that Bush and you will take decades to come out of this delirium. Just like it took McNamara 30 years to realize that he was wrong about Vietnam. Sad that you are so twisted that you distort every lesson learned from that war. Sad that you are so blinded by your preconceived world vision that no matter how bad it gets you will always just keep your head up your ass searching for diamonds - and guess what you found instead

Hey, if we're still going hard and heavy in Iraq next year, do you think the Donkaroach convention will be like the convention in '68?

I'd say that it's more likely that the extreme left will attack the GOP convention instead, although some may protest against the Dems for "not doing enough" to oppose the war.

They showed clips of the violence and demonstrations at the '68 convention on the news a couple nights ago

I vaguely remember years ago seeing a clip in which several protestors were sitting inside the arena, and yelling out a few things that were sprinkled with obscenities. On stage, one of the Dems in front of a microphone, whom I think may have been George McGovern, started to talk back to the protestors, saying something to the effect of, "You guys know lots of four-letter words. Let me suggest a couple more. How about W-O-R-K and S-O-A-P?"

Only someone who has stuck their head in the sand and decided to stop listening to reality could possibly claim that their is progress. liberalT

Check your inbox LT, there may be new talking points.

Despite other misgivings on Iraq, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D – N.Y.) admitted to the Veterans of Foreign Wars Monday: “We’ve begun to change tactics in Iraq and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it’s working.”

“The surge has resulted in a reduction of violence in many parts of Iraq,” Senate majority whip Richard Durbin (D. – Ill.) told journalists. “More American troops have brought more peace to more parts of Iraq.”

“The military aspects of President Bush’s new strategy in Iraq…appear to have produced some credible and positive results,” Senate Armed Forces chairman Carl Levin (D – Mich.) said in a joint statement after visiting Iraq with his committee’s ranking Republican, Virginia’s John Warner.

Senator Jack Reed (D – R.I.) told PBS’ Charlie Rose: “My sense is that the tactical momentum is there with the troops, and we’ve had some success in terms of blocking insurgents moving into Baghdad.”

“The troops have met every assignment,” said Senator Bob Casey (D – Penn.). “They’ve beaten the odds time and again. They’ve done everything we’ve asked them to.”
Iraq War foe, Rep. Brian Baird (D –Wash.), recently returned from there a changed man. “We are making real and tangible progress on the ground, for one, and if we withdraw, it could have a potentially catastrophic effect on the region,” he told The Olympian newspaper. Baird now opposes troop-retreat timetables.

After visiting Iraq last month, Rep. Jerry McNerney (D - Calif.) favors more operational flexibility for U.S. commanders. “I’m more willing to work to find a way forward to accommodate what the generals are saying,” he said.

Rep. Tim Mahoney (D – Fla.) believes the surge “has really made a difference and really has gotten al-Qaeda on their heels.”

After eight days in Iraq, Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack of the Left-leaning Brookings Institution wrote in a July 30 newspaper column: “There is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.”

That's great Mark. At best, the Iraqis have met 5 of 18 benchmarks. 30,000 more troops, but the death toll keeps going up. The world hates the US. Yes, we are getting ever closer to "Mission Accomplished".

In January you said wait for report. Well, it has been a failure in the low 30 percentage rage, just like Bush's poll numbers. Like your predictions of the 2006 election, you are wrong. Just like the 2006 elections, rather than admit your fault, you sugar coat everything and try to play failures as victories.

In 2009, we will begin to undo the damage down by your party and people like you who blindly support it.

Peace, Gaijin

P.S. I will say that you make more sense than Matt, and I have even agreed with you a few issues.

meanwhile the war front back home -

per NAFTA, we're throwing open our southern border to mexican trucking.

al Qaeda trucking soon-to-be-recalled chinese crap concealing drugs & bombs.

we need a CITIZENS' REFERENDUM on this insanity.

(2) the government cannot get any reform and essentially paralyzed by the fact that major factions have walked out of the government - liberalT

More disturbing news for LT.

August 26, 2007
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's top Shi'ite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish political leaders announced on Sunday they had reached consensus on some key measures seen as vital to fostering national reconciliation.

The agreement by the five leaders was one of the most significant political developments in Iraq for months and was quickly welcomed by the United States, which hopes such moves will ease sectarian violence that has killed tens of thousands.

Yes, whomever claims the White House in '08 has one hell of a mess to clean up. Has any incoming President needed to deal with such a list of incompetent decisions and actions committed by his or her predecessor? CO

To answer your question, yes. His name is George W. Bush. His predecessor…well you know who it is

are you kidding me neocon. Thousands of people are dying every month in sectarian violence, 1/3 of a country of 15 million do not have basic services such as clean water, decent sanitation, and services and you come to me with "politicians have agreed on key measures". Wow i am sure that comes as great comfort to those who have been blown to bits, are starving, or die because of lack of antibiotics.

Your evidence of progress is just pathetic. Its like your family gets shot mowed down by machine gun fire and your wife is lying there dying. Your evidence of progress would be that politicians agreed on bringing you a bandaid. Too little too late

liberalT, it must be because so few liberals are joining the military to help. How can we cope without your enormous brains?

insults. Always with the personal insults when you can't refute the facts. Well - welcome back to the 3rd grade

liberalT,

What is your idea for magically getting the violence to stop immediately? Shouldn't the US stick around to provide help for the Iraqis to get everything up, running, and straightened out? If the violence is sectarian, the problems for those you mention will get worse. What is the purpose of brining up those being killed every month and those without water and services when your only idea is to leave and lower the chances of anything getting better? Do you really believe that the people of Iraq participating in the violence are going to put aside hundreds of years of hatred overnight just because we leave?

To use your example, you would sit there complaining as your wife dies instead of trying anything because anything wouldn't be something easy. At least the bandaid is a start and could lead to better things. Complaining has no chance of fixing anything.

Wow i am sure that comes as great comfort to those who have been blown to bits, are starving, or die because of lack of antibiotics. - liberalT

Well, let's see the same thing is happening in Darfur and many other third world countries, but I guess you overlook that because you can't blame your country for those. Oh wait a minute, you're a brain dead liberal, you can blame America for everything.

I sense a little anger in your post now that your representatives are straying from the entrencehed talking points. What in the hell are you going to do when we win in Iraq. And I guarantee that is going to happen.

But what isn't you who said:

There is no political progress.

Do you ever tire of being stupid and wrong?

"politicians have agreed on key measures". - liberalT

Did anyone read the WAPO article about the oppo research sheets prepared by US embassy officials in Baghdad on visiting pols. The surge on Iraq War PR is working overtime. THE SURGE IS WORKING THE SURGE IS WORKING THE SURGE IS WORKING THE SURGE IS WORKING THE SURGE IS WORKING THE SURGE IS WORKING. If you say it enough, dumb americans will believe it. I can't believe a word this government says anymore, they have been wrong too many times.

Not many liberal "Politicians" (other than the likes of Kucinich) have been actively trying to completely pull out of Iraq --- They are afraid of being perceived as weak on the War on Terror...

Their base perceives them as a bunch of spineless idiots.

The majority of the "American People" want us out of Iraq.

Also, this idea that President Bush has decisive leadership is an absolute joke...

how many times have we been told a number of different reasons for going to war? how many times have we been told of benchmarks? how many times are we now hearing that benchmarks can't be measured by completed/incompleted?

Can't anyone see through this? Bush is simply trying to get out of office in a positive light re: Iraq.

Keep changing the objectives, benchmarks, and timetables and he'll walk out of office able to dump this on the next president who everyone will blame.

We'll stand down when they stand up? How exactly do you measure that?

The American people need to have answers... Clear objectives, clear timetables, and completed benchmarks.

Then again I forget most of you knew this war was going to take decades...

The same people standing behind this President and this war are the same people who wanted us to stay in Vietnam.

Stop choosing party over Country. I know I did.

P.S. I will say that you make more sense than Matt, and I have even agreed with you a few issues - Gaijin

I am sure Mark takes comfort in that statement.

LMAO.

Yes, whomever claims the White House in '08 has one hell of a mess to clean up. Has any incoming President needed to deal with such a list of incompetent decisions and actions committed by his or her predecessor? CO

To answer your question, yes. His name is George W. Bush. His predecessor…well you know who it is
falgore - 8/31/07

Just one question, If we (the USA) were to go into a recession before the next president is sworn in, would it be Bush's fault?

"More and more I'm certain that no matter who wins the White House next year, by about mid-2009, we're going to be missing the clear, decisive leadership of President Bush."

I suspect that you will be missing the "clear, decisive leadersip" of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.

Insults? What? Liberals don't join the military, right? So its like we're fighting with one hand tied behind our back. You people think you are smarter than us (admit you do), so by not actually helping fight the war you are selling us short.

Is there some flaw in that logic? Is that an insult or an observation?

That dratted Iraqi war isn't going to plan. Not the Dems plan, or GOP's, or Bush's plan, or Sadr's plan, or Osama's plan. Hey! It's not even going according to my plan. Wars are like that. If it's going your way, then enjoy. If it isn't, well suck it up. It seems to be going my way and I am enjoying the moment.

Hey kblack (liberalT), why don't you back up your so-called facts ... ie, Thousands of people are dying every month in sectarian violence ... with some legitimate links. Making up high numbers of deaths doesn't make it so.

America's troop buildup in Iraq has sharply reduced sectarian killings and roadside bombings and lowered al-Qaida's influence, the top U.S. general in the country said in an interview published Friday.

"We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress and we believe al-Qaida is off balance at the very least," The Australian newspaper quoted Gen. David Petraeus as saying.

Petraeus said there had been a 75 percent drop in ethnic and religious killings since last year, a doubling in the number of seizures of insurgent weapons caches between January and August, a drop in the number of coalition deaths from roadside bombs, and an increase in the killing and capture of al-Qaida fighters, the newspaper said.

The rise in al-Qaida "kills and captures" had caused the group to lose influence with Sunni Muslims, he said.

In Adhamiyah, a Sunni enclave in east Baghdad that has long been a haven for insurgents, U.S. and Iraqi forces have struggled to make residents more active partners in security. But the surprising embrace of the Guard Force is just one of a growing number of signs that Adhamiyah residents are starting to take a more aggressive role in protecting their community, say U.S. Soldiers based in the area.

“They’re standing up, and I think it shows they’re ready to take their neighborhood back into their own hands,” said Columbia, Md., native, Capt. Albert Marckwardt, commander of Troop B, 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division.

The first 30 CIGF volunteers recently completed training, and will soon receive their assignments. More than 400 applications for Guard Force jobs have been received so far, and the total force is expected to number over 750, said Homewood, Ill., native, 2nd Lt. Brian C. Smith, the Squadron’s Iraqi Security Forces liaison officer.

The CIGF has been met with enthusiasm by the people of Adhamiyah - as evidenced by the recent turn out of job-seekers at the DAC. More than 50 hopefuls turned up, some waiting for several hours to fill out the paperwork and put in their applications.

We are winning this war. I write those words from my desk in the Red Zone in downtown Baghdad as hundreds of Iraqis working with my company — Shia and Sunni, Arab and Kurd — execute security, construction and logistics missions throughout the capital and Sunni Triangle. We have been here now over three years.

Let us, the American people, not be terrorized into retreating before our enemy — al Qaeda — just when they have begun to stand alone, stripped of allies, in a country beginning to enjoy the fruits of a democracy we have sacrificed much blood to help create.

Read all of it here:
http://patdollard.com/2007/08/29/this-isnt-civil-war/

Were you referring to insurgents being killed, liberalT? If so ... Boo hoo.

Iraqi and U.S. forces have killed 237 insurgents and arrested more than 300 suspects in military operations to pacify the restive Province of Diyala.

The operations started on June 19 and are reported to be still continuing. The pressure on anti-U.S. rebels and Qaeda elements in the province is reported to have forced them to flee to other areas.

Lt. Gen. Abdul Rubaie, the Iraqi commander of the operation, said more than 7,000 troops are taking part in the fighting and that there have been ‘good gains on the ground.’

He did not say whether Diyala, until very recently a major anti-U.S. stronghold, was currently under full government control.

But Rubaie said 35 new ‘security centers’ have been established in the province and that 3,821 volunteers have registered to work with the local force to police the region once the troops withdraw.

"Hey kblack (liberalT), why don't you back up your so-called facts ... ie, Thousands of people are dying every month in sectarian violence ... with some legitimate links. Making up high numbers of deaths doesn't make it so." - kimberly4bush

There's litteraly thousands of deaths every month, number of terrorist attacks, wounded by terrorist attacks, killed by terrorist attacks and number of hostages are all up, not just in Iraq but all around to world. The number have been rising exponentially ever since the invasion, before the invasion they where pretty constant. Since the invasion worldwide terrorism has risen over 9,000%(yea, wtf), killing hundreds of thousands.

I get this data from the National Counter Terrorism Center, this was a government department created after 9/11 by George Bush to gather terrorism information for the war on terror. You can view the site yourself, it's pretty easy to browse.

www.nctc.gov

If you are a war cheerleader, I suggest you read some of their reports and see what kind of carnage this whole war on terror has caused. The numbers are unbelievable. And while people are dying it's hard to make an emphasis on the cost, all the cost number are pretty unbelievable, everything we acomplish is unbeleivably expensive.

Robert, this "whole war on terror" - and yes, it is a war on terror, not a bumper sticker - started long before GWB became President. Islamic facists have been killing thousands of innocents for decades. They killed hundreds in two embassy bombings and the USS Cole and we did nadda. What would AQ's organization be like if we had gone after them aggressively like we should have when they attacked us in '93 or after those bombings?

Too funny..... You can use the same line in 2011 after 3 years of the next President, whether Dem or GOP

Believe me, Doug, if it's a Donkaroach in office, CO will not use the same line. His drug-ravaged brain is clouded by BDS.

Just one question, If we (the USA) were to go into a recession before the next president is sworn in, would it be Bush's fault?

Politically speaking, sunny-side up, yes. That's politics, twit.

I suspect that you will be missing the "clear, decisive leadersip" of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.

They weren't in charge, grandma. btw, what was it that AlGore did while veep?

Yes there has been terrorism for decades. My point was that after we invaded Iraq, a country that hasn't been associated with any actual terrorism since the last time we invaded them, terrorism has risen over 9,000%. Also let me talk about cost and effectiveness.
Using the brookings institutes numbers for killed and capture terrorist, we've spent about 20 million per killed or captured terrorist. We've spend over 20 times Iraq's GDP. This means we could have simply given every Iraqi over 20 years salary. But somehow they have less basic services(water/electricity/fuel) than since we've declared mission acomplished. Over 20% of the country is now refugees. Violence has been steady rising and is at the highest level ever. Deaths are estimated to be reaching the hundred thousand range. We've projected spending over a trillion dollars! To put that in perspective, the UN for less than a trillion, in their UN millenium development project is going to acomplish....

- Cut in half extreme poverty and hunger
- Achieving universal primary education.
- Eliminating gender disparity at all levels of education.
- Reducing by 2/3 the under-five mortality rate.
- Reducing by 3/4 the maternal mortality rate.
- Reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS.
- Cut in half the proportion of people without access to clean water.
- Significantly improve the lives of at least 100 million slum dwellers.

How does this even make sense? How can you mess up so bad?

Bush has refused to do anything but put all the burden on the military. Unfortunately what the military will do will be inherently military. This whole situation is so fucked up it's unbelievable.

Although it has a different name this time, "The Surge"; there was a an infusion of troops last year that "broke the back of the insurgency" last year and the year before that and the year before that. Each time the situation in Iraq was supposed to be improving. Each time US-trained Iraqi police and soldiers were described as ready to take over. Each time as soon as the troops left chaos ensued. Order can be maintained in a particular area so long as there is a heavy presence of American troops. This means keeping much larger numbers of American soldiers in Iraq indefinitely, which is simply not feasible. While the White House and its messengers describe Iraq as a holy war between square-jawed God-fearing American boys against "the terrorists"---a vague and fluid definition of swarthy-brown skinned Moslems who want to destroy America because they hate its freedom---Iraq's combat lines have splintered into Sunni on American, Shiite on American, Sunni on Shiite, Shiite on Shiite, Al Qaeda in Iraq on American, Al Qaeda in Iraq on Shiite, Al Qaeda in Iraq on Sunni, neighborhood on neighborhood and tribe on tribe with American soldiers caught in the middle.

Matt Margolis and Mark Noonan have been predicting an imminent victory in the Middle East since 2003 since before this blog existed. Imminent victories aren't four or more years down the road. Colin Powell, Winston Churchill, Robert E Lee, and Sun Tzu all stated that in order to achieve victory one must commit oneself totally. In the 21st century the American people were told to not worry their pretty little heads and to go back to shopping on credit at Wal-Mart, watch American Idol, eat their Doritos and in general go back to sleep while Big Daddy Bush took care of things. To a large part of this country the war has dissolved into background noise. To a larger part the war has gone on long enough and they want it to end. The faithful remnant that still supports the war has descended into insulting the rest of the country for not giving up their personal liberties to Big Daddy Bush.

None of this adds up to total commitment. For President Bush all he has to do is hunker down until January 20, 2009. The rest of us aren't so lucky.

What? Using mustard gas and killing several hundred thousand people isn't considered terrorism? Eliminating entire families isn't considered terrorism? Allowing his sons to rape and murder young girls isn't terrorism? Throwing live people down a wood chipper isn't terrorism?

Let's put these numbers into perspective, shall we?

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

And you say terrorism has risen all because we are in Iraq? Is that why they are killing innocent people in India, the Sudan, Algeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Russia, Chechnya, the Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria, England, Thailand, Spain, Egypt, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Turkey, Kabardino-Balkaria, Morocco, Yemen, Lebanon, France, Uzbekistan, Gaza, Tunisia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mauritania, Kenya, Eritrea, Syria, Somalia, California, Argentina, Kuwait, Virginia, Ethiopia, Iran, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Louisiana, Texas, Tanzania, Germany, Australia, Pennsylvania, Belgium, Denmark, East Timor, Qatar, Maryland, Tajikistan, the Netherlands, Scotland, Chad, Canada, China and ...nearly every country in the world?

Don't forget to show up at the Fight for Victory Tour rallies across the US Sept 3 - 11 ...

http://www.moveamericaforward.com/

Mark: "...courage in support of a noble cause will always carry the day against ignoble cowards."

SURE WILL.

neocon: "Check your inbox LT, there may be new talking points."

These are not "talking points", this is real life, *&%$#@#.

"Hey kblack (liberalT), why don't you back up your so-called facts ... ie, Thousands of people are dying every month in sectarian violence ... with some legitimate links. Making up high numbers of deaths doesn't make it so."

I think he gets that from the news: silly him, right? Do you realise that your calling reality "so-called facts".

kimberly are you trying to say that if we hadn't invaded over 100 thousand people would have been killed in Iraq, over 5 million Iraqis would have fled their homes?

That even though terrorism has been at a flat rate for 30 years before the invasion, the 9,000% rise is that low only because of the invasion? Without the invasion it would have rise even faster than 9,000% in 5 years?

Now over 40% of worldwide terrorism comes from Iraq now(thousands of attacks), after having no no association at all to international terrorism since the last gulf war. There may have been other reason to invade Iraq, but terrorism is a silly one. We didn't remove terrorism from Iraq, we brought it there.

And this is the best we could have possibly done for the cost of 20 times Iraq's GDP?? That's 20 years salary for each and every Iraqi!

President Bush makes the same speech about Iraq repeatedly and his solution is always more of the same. And what we get is more of the same---sectarian violence and a steady drip drip drip of American deaths. Something I really don't understand is this mentality of "It's the President's Way or total surrender to the terrorists". Who the terrorists are is a slippery question: Radical Islamicists, yes; but the anthrax packages with the messages attached reading "Kill America Kill Israel Allah is Great" were apparently NOT part of a terrorist attack according to people like Keefer because...uh...well that's never addressed. Funding of the Sunni Iraqi insurgency and Sunni terrorist groups like Al Qaeda by our "allies" is never addressed, nor is US backing of an elected Shiite government supported by Iran. Sometimes 9/11 is brought up to justify torture of Iraqi civillians, but mention that those responsible for 9/11 have been hanging out in the western part of Pakistan for close to six years and the response is to call the person who mentions this (me) a homosexual.

Now this is patently a false argument. I'm not a homosexual, and even if I was it doesn't justify anthrax not being a terrorist attack, nothing being done in Western Pakistan, US taxpayers being charged 45 bucks for a six pack of Iraqi coke, or why this war has dragged on for four years even with President Bush getting everything he wanted. Recent events seem to indicate that several of those who support this war ARE homosexual, but this won't stop Keefer from calling me one.

Hey kimberly4bush- Were you quoting someone or pretending to be in Iraq yourself? Even a moonbat like me know it's called the green zone, not red. Either way, you're a poor cheerleader.
By the way, I personally killed 5 Al Qaeda today. Sure, they were house flies, but I know they were Al Qaeda because they were opposing me.
In fact, Mark Noonan is Al Qaeda. As is keefer, wherever he is.

Um..liberalt....not so strange that you spelled..tale..........tail...ROFLMAO!!!!