This is simply the most offensive post I have ever seen on this blog. The objections to Abu Graib were "caterwalling (sic)?

You mean liberal caterwauling from George Bush, who said that the acts were in no way acceptable? Liberal caterwauling from Rumsfeld, who said "it was un-American. And it was inconsistent with the values of our nation"? Liberal caterwauling from the US Army, who has convicted 12 soldiers of prisoner abuse?

No, of course there was no wolf. I can't believe that you would post this, and I'm disappointed in Mark and Matt for letting this post stand. I had more respect for this blog than that.

Worst. post. ever.

While not condoning the actions at Abu Ghraib, when put in context, the actions of the those soldiers were more along the lines of a frat house initiation, not torture. What Bush and Rummy did was pander to the drama queen left (of which they do far too often). Following the incident, those responsible were swiftly brought to justice.

Compare that to the actions of those on the other side of this conflict (Nicolas Berg, Daniel Pearl, etc.) and the absence of any outrage from the left on those despicable tactics and you will get a sense of our complacency vis a vis Abu Ghraib.

I noticed that the Koran story, which was completely false, was never re-addressed by those making the accusations. I noticed that the "torture" at Gitmo has never been substantiated, yet that doesn't stop the left from perpetuating that lie in their effort to undermine the country.

So Jon, forgive me if I find your "outrage" a little insincere.

Worst. Response. Ever.

Pusateri,

Please.

It is not the so called moonbats that are holding up the deployment of this device that I have seen tested and is very effective, but the Pentagon armament buyers themselves that do not wish to deploy the weapon system.

Blood on the hands of liberals? That is like blaming abolitionists for the lynching of blacks after the Civil War. The blood is on the hands of the war profiteers who even now are being investigated by the Army for fraud, again. The blood is on the hands of those that have turned a blind eye on firms like Custer battles that clearly had nothing more than political connections and not contract fulfillment skills.

The only road I see from my vantage point Pusateri is the one being paved over the corpse of the GOP "permanent majority" leading to a more civil and progressive American future free of sham war, fear and faux patriotism for profit by narrow minded Christianists who while lacking faith have plenty of hate for those they see threatening their hegemony with Truth and dissent.

Good day Ser!

Hey Leo,
I think you are a little confused . There is
no blood on liberal hands. There is the blood of
3700 servicemen on the hand of George Bush, who
started an ill advised war by lying to the
American people. There is the blood of about
12,000 more seriously injured soldiers and marines
on those same hands. All that blood so we could
see to it that you know who got hung. I admit
his hanging was nice - it was the only good thing
about this whole mess - but was it worth all that
blood and $500 billion dollars?

Umm... Sounds like I'm part of a chorus on this post. Leo has always been the loosest of cannons on this site, and he may have shot himself in the foot with this post...

Did it ever enter in to your little mind that it isn't American Liberals that the Pentagon is worried about, but that it is the Iraqis (you know, those hearts and minds that we're supposed to be winning?) that might see it as a torture device?

No, it didn't... because your mind is so warped by your hatred of those that don't agree with you that you will jump at any chance to say "THE LEFT IS DESTROYING AMERICA!!" Just so you know... there is no wolf...

Hey Leo -

It's o.k. I know you don't want to say these things. The voices make you do it.

Why do we have unruly crowds in Iraq after 4 and a half years in Iraq? I thought we were winning? I thought we brought electricity, jobs, medical care and the infrastructure to support them?
By the way, Mr. Pusateri, nobody from the dems side, lame though they are, held up delivery of half of the 3700 new humvees or cougars or whatever the transport is that has more protection against IEDs than the military currently.
Nor were the dems responsible for the mess at Walter Reed, or for Ted Haggard, Rep Foley,
or senator Craig.

My, but I think I struck a nerve among the fever swamp chorus here.

A bit too close to the truth, perhaps?

You continue to live under the delusion that your actions to undermine our war effort are performed in a vacuum, and that your actions can hold no consequence except to further your political ambitions.

Why, do you think, was there was a hesitance on the Pentagon's part to deploy a weapon that could have actually saved lives?

Curious, that their answer was, "..because it may be seen as torture."

Seen as torture by whom?

Could it be that the military, besieged by the Left's overblown, yet successful propagandistic calls of torture at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, didn't want to take yet another hit in public opinion that was sure to come with the use of this device, thanks to the Fifth Column in this nation? At a time in our nation's history when public opinion matters nearly as much as what is accomplished on the ground?

I'm asking the hard questions here, folks.

Does the shoe feel a bit uncomfortable?

Oh well.

because your mind is so warped by your hatred of those that don't agree with you that you will jump at any chance to say "THE LEFT IS DESTROYING AMERICA!!"

Gosh, Rana, do ya think many of us "jump at any chance" because all we've seen for the last 6+ years is the left wailing "GEORGE BUSH IS DESTROYING AMERICA!!?"

Personally, I'm tired of the rhetoric of the left. Every day, as I drive to work and back, I search for signs of our "ruined country." I don't see any. And, other than the occasional kook I encounter, I haven't heard anyone, other than the idiot trolls and idiot Canadians who pollute this blog, spewing this bumper sticker.

Disclaimer: When I say "idiot Canadians," I am in no way, shape, or form, painting all Canadians with a broad brush. I have met and known many fine Canadians...all conservatives or right-leaning, of course...

neocon: So your response is that 1. it was just frat house hijinks and 2. those responsible were brought to justice. Wow. You do see the problem here, don't you?

The killers of Daniel Pearl do not represent me or my country. I was horrified by what they did, but I try to save my outrage for those who represent me.

Also, you're saying that Bush and Rummy were lying when they claimed to be horrified by Abu Graib?

Quit yer whining, JP--those soldiers were just lettin' off some steam.

You wanna know what real torture is?

Reading your posts...

There is the blood of 3700 servicemen on the hand of George Bush, who started an ill advised war by lying to the American people.

If Bush lied, so did Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid... the list goes on and on.

Sell your BDS tripe to someone who will buy it.

So then, all you liberals are FOR deploying this system?

I certainly am Kahn go right on and deploy the system if it helps to stabilize Iraq. It's been relatively well tested doesn't cause bodily harm if deployed properly. Rock on. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are tragic but they are just a symptom of a nation that is afraid of collapse. Everyone with a brain that follows foreign affairs knows that anything that threatens America now threatens the world. This is wrong the USA is not some moral shining beacon of faith and family. That's a delusion and thinking this way must be America #1 Derangement Syndrome [A1DS]. America is a nation of not liberals or conservatives but consumers being driven by their material motivations to have more things, their desire not be caught while indulging in whatever sordid indiscretions and professing a religious ideal that no human being can live by so they treat it as my editor calls it the Golden Corral method of "Bible believing." What you like [you savior having blond hair and white skin even though he came from Nazareth, being chosen above those pesky Old Testament folks because you know "the Way" now] goes on the plate what keeps you from indulging in your depravity [prohibitions against greed, avarice, sloth, adultery, divorce, and so on] get left in that steam tray under the amber warming light.

Hey Leo,
What does BDS mean, anyway ?

Gabrielle - does crystal meth prevent you from coherent thought and the use of paragraphs? Apparently so.

Keefer-

I don't think the Bush is "Destroying America," nor do I think that I ever said it. It just seems to me that Leo is jumping to conclusions (and over relevant ones) for the sole purpose of blaming the left. Whether it's on purpose or the result of some strange pathology remains to be seen...