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June 22, 2007
The "Sicko" Kook Left

It seems that Moore's latest lie-fest is causing some nervousness in Democratic ranks - from the Los Angeles Times:

At a special screening in Washington this week, politicians, lobbyists, media pooh-bahs and policy junkies flocked to see Moore's film. And its slashing demand for action on an issue that voters care deeply about, and Democrats hope to capitalize on, generated plenty of buzz. Moore hopes that, after its general release June 29, "Sicko" will exert significant influence on the presidential campaign.

Instead of greeting the film with hosannas or challenging it head-on, however, the leading Democratic presidential candidates have sidestepped direct comment on Moore's proposals.

Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of South Carolina all have staked out positions sharply at odds with Moore's approach. But none of them is eager to have that fact dragged into the spotlight.

If Moore's fire-breathing proposal catches on among party activists, who tend to be suspicious of the private sector and supportive of direct government action, the candidates' pragmatic, consensus-seeking ideas could look like weak-kneed temporizing — much the way their rejection of an immediate pullout from Iraq has drawn heated criticism from antiwar activists.

In "Sicko," the filmmaker calls for abolishing the insurance industry, putting a tight regulatory collar on pharmaceutical companies and embracing a Canadian-style government-run system.

Advocacy groups are already planning to use the film to pressure the Democratic hopefuls.

"The candidates haven't sensed the political fever in this country that fundamental change is called for in the healthcare system," said Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Assn. "What we are going to do is call on the candidates to reconsider their positions."

That last bit is very important - the "political fever" bit. The kook left is convinced that the American people are in favor of kook left positions. Most notably, of course, the kook left is convinced that the American people voted for immediate (or, at least, very swift) withdrawal from Iraq back in November - the fac that the issue, withdrawal from Iraq, wasn't campaigned on is immaterial to the left. Post-facto, they have worked it out that their leftwing passion for immediate withdrawal was the reason for Democratic victory in November and they are furious that the Democratic leadership has badly flubbed withdrawal. The thing is, that in their increasing fury at not getting their way, they are becoming ever more convinced that the American people wants more and more of leftwing policies - and thus the belief that there is a "political fever" in favor of a massive government take-over of the health care industry.

It spills over into other issues - tax policy, spending initiatives, social issues such as ebryonic stem cell research and gay marriage; up and down the list of issues confronting the American people, the kook left is certain the people is on their side, and they are becoming ever more strident in their demands that Democratic leaders explicitly campaign on a kook left platform. There is, at least, a deranged bit of honesty here - for the past two decades, the Democrats have keep the kook left on the ranch by slyly promising kook leftism after the election while attempting to run as moderates during the election. The kook left wants no more of that; if you are in favor of withdrawal from Iraq, gay marriage, federally funded abortion on demand and socialised medicine, then the left is demanding that you run on that. Trouble is, running on that is political suicide - and Democrats like Obama and Hillary know it.

What does this mean? In my view, it means that as soon as some Democrat with serious stature gets into the race with a promise of explicit leftism in his platform, he'll flatten the whole Democratic field and win the nomination easy. That he'll then go on to be crushed in a McGovern-style landslide is besides the point. Methinks we are getting closer and closer to "Gore '08".

Posted by Mark Noonan at June 22, 2007 08:45 PM


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What does this mean?


It means the impending implosion is near (or maybe that's just the scotch talking) or wishful thinking.

I am convinced though that the Dems have put themselves between a rock and a hard place by catering to the fringe these last few years. Now they will reap what they sow and the far left will soon tear apart this party.

Just as the far left is convinced the the Islamic extremists, which represnt a small minority of Muslims will win, they have convinced themselves that they too will win, even though they represent a small minority of Americans.

Posted by: neocon [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 22, 2007 10:09 PM

*Shrugs*

I really don't care what Moore says. He has no credibility with me what so ever so why even listen? He can have his opinion that's just fine, but don't expect me to pay good money to hear it.

From what I can gather he basically just wants full governmental control of the health care system. My biggest reply to everyone who wants that is, "When has the government ever run anything well?"

IRS? DMV? Roads and Freeways? (Okay I'll admit Nevada and Arizona has a good transportation system but CalTrans sucks!) Schools? NASA? (HAH!) USPS? Amtrack? Medicare? Social Security?

The list goes on and on of problems with government run programs. Do we really need to add another?

Posted by: Gozer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 22, 2007 11:10 PM

Oh, there'll be plenty of nervousness all across the political spectrum, among the do-nothings who've squandered the last dozen years while the cost of health care has raced ahead of inflation and special interests showered money down to keep it that way.

Posted by: Kenneth Basten at June 22, 2007 11:16 PM

Kenneth,

A salient point to make is that both health care and education have increased in cost far outside of inflation and the increase in population...and as government is very heavily involved in both, I think I can see the culprit...

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 12:51 AM

What you call the "kook left" on Iraq and healthcare is also known as the overwhelming majority of Americans. The sooner these timid democrats realize that, the better.

Unfortunately, these Democrats are beholden to the insurance industry as much as Republicans, and thus all of their "solutions" revolve around making insurance mandatory for all. But the private insurance industry is a big part of the problem with healthcare in America. The universal insurance coverage plans proposed by the Dem candidates is not the same as universal healthcare. Mandating private insurance for everybody really amounts to corporate welfare.

How would you like to be in an industry where not only does the government mandate that every person must be your customer, but that if that person cannot afford to be your customer, then the government will pay for them to be your customer? These are the kinds of solutions we get when monied interests subsidize candidates.

Single-payer is the way to go, but no major Democrat candidate will make the break with the insurance behemoth. Our government is held hostage.

You Bushies should be happy that Moore's film criticizes Republicans and Dems alike.

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 10:50 AM

What you call the "kook left" on Iraq......is also known as the overwhelming majority of Americans. - airhead

Really?


Public Opinion Strategies* has released a survey of likely voters’ attitudes toward the Iraq War that finds that most voters think the country is going in the wrong direction (67%) and President Bush is doing a poor job (60%), and that Iraq will never be a stable democracy (60%). No real surprises there, right?

Here are some pretty interesting numbers, though, given those and other indications** that the survey isn’t biased toward President Bush:

57% believe “The Iraq War is a key part of the global war on terrorism.”
57% “support finishing the job in Iraq, that is, keeping the troops there until the Iraqi government can maintain control and provide security for its people.
50% want our troops should stay and “do whatever it takes to restore order until the Iraqis can govern and provide security to their country” while only 17% favor immediate withdrawal
56% believe “Even if they have concerns about his war policies, Americans should stand behind the President in Iraq because we are at war.”
53% believe “The Democrats are going too far, too fast in pressing the President to withdraw the troops from Iraq.”

You, airhead, and the kook left completely misread the public in terms of Iraq. On healthcare, the majority of Americans do want reform which can come in many different forms other than a strict single pay system.

But I am sure you think you know what's best for everyone as most fascists do.

Posted by: neocon [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 12:11 PM

I'm no fan of Michael Moore's politics (but I must admit his movies are entertaining) nor am I fan of the radlcal left and their agenda, but I have yet to see "Sicko" so I cannot make a judgement (I'm assuming you have based on your comments). Now, because of your constant and generous use of the term "kook left", I have to point out that to most people in the middle, your extreme right-wing, anti-stem cell, anti-evolution, anti-global warming, lock-step pro-Bush supporting views would easily earn you the label, "kook right" or "right wing nut job".

Now, I'm not defending the politics of this movie (again, since I haven't seen it), but our health care system certainly needs a once-over. My ex-girlfriend was almost dropped by her insurance provider once she was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Thanks to some legal manouvering, that didn't happen and she got the treatment she needed, but many of the 40 million + that aren't insured (and many millions of others who are) aren't so lucky.

So I think you right-wing nut jobs should have a meeting with the left-wing kooks and figure something out.

Oh... and I wouldn't be so presumptuous to presume Al Gore would be defeated in a "McGovern style landslide". He would have to have a worthy opponent first and I'm sorry to say, the republicans have yet to produce one.

Posted by: CAIndie at June 23, 2007 12:31 PM

neocon-

You know that Public Opinion Strategies is a republican polling firm, right? When were these numbers gathered February 20, 2007 as their website says? That is four months ago. I think you should use fresher and unbiased numbers when arguing that the american public loves this war and our dear leader.

Posted by: babyeatingliberal [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 12:42 PM

Neocon, the one detail you forgot to mention about your poll is that Public Opinion Strategies is "a national Republican political and public affairs research firm with its roots in political campaigns." That would be like Colin taking a poll from Moveon.org and using it as a reference point.

Posted by: CAIndie at June 23, 2007 12:48 PM

"Public Opinion Strategies (POS) describes itself as a "Republican polling firm". [1] It has offices in Virginia, Colorado and California.

"IRI's annual reports for 2003 and 2004 include among their lists of volunters a significant number of Republican pollsters, consultants, strategists, public opinion researchers, and campaign website designers, some of whom have come under fire for unethical practices.

"For example, Rob Autry and Gene Ulm are with Public Opinion Strategies, the largest Republican polling firm. POS was responsible for the "Harry and Louise" ad in the early 90's that scuttled Clinton's health insurance proposals. In 2001, it was charged with violating Virginia's polling disclosure laws, and it has also been accused of using push polls to influence elections."


Nice source.

Posted by: Casper [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 12:53 PM

Here are some more recent results from Rasmussen.

Thursday, April 26, 2007

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of American voters now favor either an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq (37%) or a firm deadline for their withdrawal (20%). The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 35% of voters are opposed to both of these options for ending the war.

Posted by: Casper [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 01:02 PM

"What you call the "kook left" on Iraq and healthcare is also known as the overwhelming majority of Americans. The sooner these timid democrats realize that, the better."

I hope the canditates do realize that. Then they will be utterly crushed in the general.

Posted by: jbiccum [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 01:54 PM

"You Bushies should be happy that Moore's film criticizes Republicans and Dems alike."

I think your a little confused. He criticizes America, and falsely claims Cuba has a better healthcare system. He just ignores the fact in his film that the vast majority of Cubans can't even get pennecillin. With lies like that, how can you take him seriously?

Posted by: jbiccum [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 01:58 PM

Aaron,

You should pay more attention to that RT poll - you see, the real polls, the polls with the greatest accuracy, are done by the political parties...most of them are never released to the public.

When your a pol you really want to know what is going on out there - but you don't want the other side to find out what you're thinking about about finding out about the public mood. This means you commission very good polls (no worthless polls of 1,001 adults, which is what the MSM mostly produces) and then you don't tell anyone about them - what we, the people, need to do is what what politicians do, rather than what they say. What they do will be highly reflective of what they found out in polling - except, of course, for those in absolutely safe seats(this Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch are never good barometers of the public mood) or those few genuine mavericks who are willing to risk their seat in order to do something they think important (a good example of this was Senator Santorum...and as he is now a former Senator, you can see how risky this can be).

If the real polling was showing a majority in favor of quick withdrawal from Iraq, then that is what we would get - as there is no real move in Congress for that, you can bet your bottom dollar that when the votes are counted on election day, the fact of voting in favor of funding the war will not cost a politician his seat.

Now, to get back to the subject at hand:

The American people are by and large fed up with insurance companies - for good and bad reasons, these companies have become the villians of the health care system. But because people are mad at the insurance companies it doesn't follow that they want a government take over of health care. Senior Democrats are wary of signing on to Moore's pack of lies because they know that to do so would alienate far more voters than it would impress.

But my final point is that the kook left really believes they are ruling the day in America...and thus will come Al Gore, who will then go on to be crushed because he will run a left wing campaign.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 02:37 PM

Mark -

"Senior Democrats are wary of signing on to Moore's pack of lies ..."

So you are saying the film is a pack of lies, without having actually seen the film.

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 02:53 PM

Mark, just curious... who do you see "crushing" Al Gore (if he decides to run). Rudy? Don't think so. His social views are on par with Al Gore's and his forieign policy experience... oh wait... he doesn't have any. Fred Thomson... Very funny. Romney? Even funnier. McCain? No seriously...

Now if you said Hillary... I might agree with you. Extremely polarizing. I personally can't stand her. Verdict is still out on Obama. Forget Edwards, he's a lightweight. I don't know what would happen if Gore ran, but I can promise you one thing... He would not be "crushed". unless someone we have not yet seen jumps in from the right.

Posted by: CAIndie at June 23, 2007 02:54 PM

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of American voters now favor either an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq (37%) or a firm deadline for their withdrawal (20%).


These numbers are really not much of adeparture from the other polls. Only 1 in 5 want firm deadlines and only 1 in 3 want an immediate withdrawal. You really can't add those numbers up to derive at 57% because those questions are not mutually inclusive.

If the Democrat representatives felt like they had the clear mandate to withdraw from this war or to establish firm timelines they would have done it, as mark referred to. The fact of the matter is that they don't have the majority of their constituents support for that.

Posted by: neocon [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 03:31 PM

"What you call the "kook left" on Iraq and healthcare is also known as the overwhelming majority of Americans."

Oh, you mean the overwhelming majority of Americans (like 82%) who think the democRAT run congress is doing a crappy job?

That overwhelming majority?

Posted by: GOP 4 ME [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 05:12 PM

I often read statements in you blog referring to "lies" told by Michael Moore, but I have seen no evidence of these lies.

Would you mind detailing some of these lies, so I could know what you're talking about?

Posted by: pm at June 23, 2007 07:19 PM

Neocon,

Fascism is the marriage of dictatorship and business.

From Dictionary.com:
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

From the Oxford Dictionary:
1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Using terror, fear and marriage with business. And now Cheney says he is above the law.

Posted by: Brian at June 25, 2007 08:49 AM

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