Kirk is dead meat and he knows. Wasn't he one of the eleven republicans who went to Dear Leader to tell him he is feeling pressure in his district because of Iraq and that things need to change? Yes he was. Supporting veterans also means getting them out of hostile action when their presence there isn't vital to US interests. That is what people of the 10th believe and Dan Seals knows this and so do I. I grew up there and now live right next to the 10th.

Kirk is dead meat and he knows IT. oops.....

Supporting veterans also means getting them out of hostile action when their presence there isn't vital to US interests. That is what people of the 10th believe and Dan Seals knows this and so do I. - b.e.l.

Then why they don't advertise his campaign that way? Instead of throwing up the red herring of Kirk not being FOR veterans, they should advertise that Seals will vote to cut off the funding for the war and will bring the troops home. Isn't that the way his campaign should then be advertised?

I am interested in your answer.

All you have shown Mark is that both parties are equally corrupt. How is this any different than half the stuff the republicans have done?

I live in Kirk's District and worked for Seals last campaign. I can tell you Kirk is a jerk.

He takes so many donations from out-of-state interest (especially in Texas). He is a traitor to his district.

I will work for Dan Seals again this time too.

Supporting veterans also means getting them out of hostile action when their presence there isn't vital to US interests. That is what people of the 10th believe and Dan Seals knows this and so do I. I grew up there and now live right next to the 10th.

BEL, do you also support withdrawing the Police Forces from High Crime areas of major cities where crime flourishes and Police are needlessly killed? Shouldn't their lives also be spared and those that live in high crime area handle the matter themselves? The safety of our Police should come first, right?

As for this "announcement," where is Edwards's call for anti-war displays? Isn't it hypocritical for anti-war types to celebrate Independence Day, which is a celebration of war?

Or, is it 'selective' anti-war?

Neocon-

I do not know how Seals will campaign, I assume it will be get out of Iraq ASAP. The 10th is for that. Now the DCCC is seperate from Seals himself. I do think it is a legitamte to lump Kirk in with Republicans who have allowed veterans wages to stay low and the disaster that is Walter Reed outpatient. I have been to the North Chicago V.A. my mother worked there, it is a dump, but is needed and I commend Kirk for fighting for it. All is fair in politcs and painting with a broad brush is fair game.

"Isn't it hypocritical for anti-war types to celebrate Independence Day, which is a celebration of war?"

I didn't realize Independence Day was a celebration of war. I always thought it was a celebration of our independence from Great Britain.
Why would anyone want to celebrate war?

Lew-

Your police scenario is not analogous to Iraq. The fourth of July is not a celebration of war but a celebration of independence from tyranny.

The independence from Britain which we celebrate every July 4 was WON by fighting a WAR.

Lew, many thanks for your comment on whether or not we should withdraw from inner city crime areas. I have thought the same thing many times, but it seems I am always in the car when I think of it and never get it typed and posted.

But we have thousands of people killed every year in urban violence, a huge amount of it gang-related. Why don't we just pull out? After all, it is clear the people living in those cities will not fight for themselves. Why should we keep putting men and women at risk, sending them into these hellholes of murder and rape and senseless violence? BRING THEM HOME. We haven't just been fighting this problem for four years, we have been fighting it for more like 120. It just keeps getting worse.

What is our exit strategy? How much longer are we going to keep losing lives in this senseless war? How many more billions are we going to dump into a situation which is clearly never going to be resolved?

Lew-

If I am the mayor of Chicago and send my police to Gary to help the police in Gary and my officers are getting killed in Gary I would bring my officers home to Chicago. We don't belong in Iraq anymore, we gave them democracy it is up to them to do with it what they will. That is the thing with democracy it is up to the will of the people.

"The independence from Britain which we celebrate every July 4 was WON by fighting a WAR."

Duh, That doesn't make our celebration, a celebration of war.

Casper, please explain the fireworks displays on the 4th as well as the words "And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air" from the Star Spangled Banner (Our National Anthem).

BEL, If the Mayor of Gary was supporting the crime wave and supplying the criminals weapons, or you were being told by previous Mayors and several others that he was, and he refused to handle the matter and you removed him and the criminals decided to take over Gary, you would leave Gary in shambles and hope the criminals decided to stay out of Chicago, even though you knew they were planning on coming afer you?

BTW, where is the outcry for removal of Troops from Afghanistan, Bosnia, South Korea and elsewhere? Why only Iraq since we lose Troops everywhere?

We even lose them in America, should we just disband the Military?

Speaking of making up an issue.......................

In his new book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pleads, "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." Gore repeatedly asks that science and reason displace cynical political posturing as the central focus of public discourse.
If Gore really means what he writes, he has an opportunity to make a difference by leading by example on the issue of global warming.

A cooperative and productive discussion of global warming must be open and honest regarding the science. Global warming threats ought to be studied and mitigated, and they should not be deliberately exaggerated as a means of building support for a desired political position.

Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."

Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.

Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa."

Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century.

Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.

The libs don't have a lack of imagination.....maybe they could be more convincing if they kept it based in reality. Some of the anti-war posts and those about the 4th not celebrating our war with tyrannical England (hint: we would not have gained our independence without it!) prove that the sycophant libs do not live in the real world, only in their secluded little rooms and imaginary utopias.

I always thought it was a celebration of our independence from Great Britain.....Why would anyone want to celebrate war?
- casper

How do you suppose that independence was gained?
It is not a celebration of "war" per se but rather a celebration "victory" in the war. Liberals now may think that "War Victories" are an oxymoron.

The fourth of July is not a celebration of war but a celebration of independence from tyranny. - b.e.l.

um....no it wasn't. It was the celebration of independence from a royal monarchy.

Lew,
There is a difference between celebrating victory in the War for Independence and celebrating war itself. I am proud of our country and it's history. That does't mean I celebrate war.

I am proud of our country and it's history. - casper

I assume much of what you are proud of America for is our freedoms and rights (as I am), which were all fought for, and won in battle.

Our freedom was won in battle, but our rights, (the constitution, the Bill of Rights) are a product of compromise between people with different viewpoints.

Casper,

We would'nt have a bill of rights if it wasn't for the people who have sacrificed their lives and fortune to protect it!

Jeremiah

We fight the Socialist Democrats tooth and nail the way it is now...

Jeremiah

The American Revolution ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris. The Constitution was created in 1787. It was not forced on us.

If the Democrats fight for Socialist ideas, which they are, then who is going to stand for Freedom and Justice?

Which was my point, Casper!

Democrats care less, whether America loses, and quite frankly, they want to throw the constitution in the garbage, So how are they destroying America? By using our Courts and the ACLU to undermine the constitution.

Someone has to stand up to these cowards, and fight for the rights of ALL citizens!

Jeremiah

I do think it is a legitamte to lump Kirk in with Republicans who have allowed veterans wages to stay low and the disaster that is Walter Reed outpatient.

Veteran's wages, babysh*teater? Do you mean active-duty members? Veterans, unless they're receiving disability or retirement benefits, don't receive wages. And to blame Kirk for WRAMC outpatient is a stretch, a$$breath. The man's from where, Illinois? WR isn't in his district.

btw, the largest pay increases I received while in the military were received during GOP administrations. I got 14% one year, under Reagan.

I am proud of our country and it's history.

Casper, should "it's" have an apostrophe in this case? it's=it is, right? I mean, you're the teacher, so you know better than I, right? What do you teach, finger painting?

Our freedom was won in battle, but our rights, (the constitution, the Bill of Rights) are a product of compromise between people with different viewpoints.

Yes, Casper, but it is maintained by the blood of our Brave Warriors ready to wage war against all who would deny them to us.

Words written on paper are only as strong as the defenders of those words.

It is the soldier, not the reporter
who gives us freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet
who gives us freedom of speech.

It is the soldier, not the campus organizer
who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

Father Denis Edward O'Brian, USMC

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights could have been burned long ago, if not for the Bravery of our Warriors fending them off each time.

This just shows that the DimwitcRATs are gonna pick up where they left off in '06--running against Bush is their only issue, and because their electorate have their heads in the sand, it'll probably work again. Maybe once these people realize they've been screwed, they'll wake up.

Don't count on it, if they're--not there or their, Dr. Retard--anything like our resident trolls...

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights could have been burned long ago, if not for the Bravery of our Warriors fending them off each time.

Given the opportunity, Hitlary, the ACLU, George Soros, and the rest of the MoveOn crowd will bring about the end of freedom and liberty as we know it. Prepare for the revolution now--arm yourselves!!!

BEL,

You do realise that you've de-facto said its ok to lie about someone, as long as it is in what you consider a good cause...Lenin would be proud of you.

keefer,
Thanks for catching the mistake and don't knock finger painting. My granddaughter loves it.

Lew,
I understand the importance of having a stong military. The point that I was trying to make was that the act of war itself isn't something to celebrate. Why would anyone wish to celebrate death and distruction? That's not the same as celebrating our country's birth. Usually we celebrate the end of wars, not the wars themselves.

You're splitting hairs, Casper.

However, to clarify your point, we celebrate the VICTORIOUS end to a war. That is, if we support our Troops in Victory, not in surrender, again.

In a sense, WW2 is one of the most celebrated wars ever, considering all the movies, TV Shows, books etc. made about it. Celebrating doesn't ncessarily mean only a party.

In the case of July 4, fireworks displays aren't signifying the end of the Revolutionary War, but fighting it to VICTORY and winning our Independence.

Viet Nam, thanks to the left, ended very shamefully for America and the others with us there and brought death to millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians. Our shameful abandonment is bad enough, millions of deaths that could have been prevented is even worse.

What the anti-war left advocates will be much worse for the Middle East and eventually, will require another return there by us.

Radical Jihadists decided they were going to rule the world long ago and to get there, they have to ruin us and Israel. They are unreasonable sect who have no desire for coexistence, just total rule.

They will continue coming after us whether we stay there or not.

In the future, I'd rather it be our descendants celebrating our VICTORIOUS end to this war, not theirs.