Just shores up what kind of President Al Gore would have been... Also lets us know that after all this time Jimmy Carter still does not understand the Middle East.

I am sure Iran would love to humiliate Carter again.

Video is worth a thousand words ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6gehCPvpk

There will be a civil war to eradicate liberalism long before global warming destroys the polar bears and the planet. A very well written post. One day Jimmy Crickett Carter rants, the next day he apologizes and said he went too far. Hmmm..do you think Rosalyn withheld her charms? Jimmy is getting feeble and someone must have hit him on the head with a hammer while he was masturbating instead of offering actual help in building that last Habitat house. Hey libs, is it not treason for a former president of any kind, to go to another country, and then condemn that country for supporting ours? This is what crackpot Jimmy did....he only apologizes later. And HE speaks of the worse president ever...are you kidding dems...he'll be in the hall of shame for sure.

Here we go. Now the Libs are gonna write a 4 page spewing of how "Bush lied". Go for it cowards.

Also I just saw on Drudge that the Dems are gonna FINALLY fund the war! I bet the soros army is gonna go NUTS!

jbiccum-

Why the name calling? Because someone is against war does not make them a coward. It is interesting this story makes you immediately think of what liberals will say about Bush's alleged lies.

As far as I can see it, you guys take one quote from Gore, and scream that he's a liar. Also, I don't see a single mention of all the dem.'s that appear in your last paragraph.

And this isn't even real news. OK, so Gore might've invaded Iraq had he been president...but that's neither here nor there. Let's concentrate on what IS happening with our leaders and around the world.

Also, where is Gore being dishonest?
Please point that one out in his quotes from the article.

And Gore said he'd consider "courses of action," not "consider invading while ignoring the UN."

Just because Gore might've invaded Iraq had he been prez, it doesn't mean it's hypocritical for him to say lying to lead a country into war is despicable...

Next time, follow these simple steps:
1. Write about actual news.
2. Have more evidence to back up your point. You've got ONE quote, which is a vague one at that.
3. Draw sensible conclusions from the evidence you put out.
For example, showing Gore saying how dishonest the Bushies were about Iraq-al Qaeda, and then showing him saying "Final reckoning" with Iraq (By the way, could somebody get me that "final reckoning" quote in full?) does not lead to the conclusion that Gore's a liar. Or that someone other than the man you're talking about is a liar. Only a complete idiot would draw those conclusions...
4. Realize that, however much you hate someone, not everything they say is useless, hypocritical, or a lie.

ThELefTYFoOL

All I have to say is that Iraq seems to be a mess right now; I agreed with Bush's decision to remove Saddam, so therefore I agreed with our decision to invade Iraq, however, I do believe that we entered into Iraq thinking that the people of Iraq; after being freed from Tranny, would begin a new government, (a democracy based) one that gives the voice of every Iraqi a chance to be heard. Unfortunatley, we didnt have a backup plan, or hell, a plan at all to quell the deeply-rooted animosity between different factions. And worse, we went in under-manned. I do point blame to Bush and his administration for going into Iraq with the above-stated. However I believe what we're doing in Iraq is of good-intentions for Iraq and the middle-east. What really pisses me off is when people critisize Bush for entering Iraq and say "we shouldn't have Invaded"; but when past Administrations say that Saddam is a threat and needs to be removed, no one says a damn word. Gore is a prime example of this. It sickens me to see the support Liberals give him although I'm not very surprised. I thought Liberals were intellectually superior to everyone else?|sarcasm|

Here we go. Now the Libs are gonna write a 4 page spewing of how "Bush lied". Go for it cowards.

Posted by: jbiccum

Hey, jbiccum, just because you whine about how we'll point out our prez's dishonesty doesn't mean that a)we're not gonna do it, or b)it didn't happen.

W lied us into war. However much you may hate that simple fact, it does not, by any means, mean that it did not happen.

And did you want us to not whine about it?

Complacency allows the gov't to take tighter control...that's how Hitler got started.

Also, in the first amendment, I think you'll find something about the freedom of speech.

Well, now....I posted about Bush's lying...I guess I'm a coward!!!!

ThELefTYFoOL

Well, its all I ever hear about. Of course it popped in my mind. Does that mean he is a liar? No.

I dont think people against war are cowards. I think people who undermine our country while its at war are cowards.

so then conversely those who support the country while it is at war are brave? Blind support is not brave and dissent in war is not necessarily cowardice.

Oh well, he'll still be the next President of the US!

Cheers!

Oh well, he'll still be the next President of the US!

Do you have these wet dreams often, Eric? I quit having those when I was around 15, but.....oh, never mind.

Lefty,

Pride is apparently preventing you from climbing down, too...but the plain fact of the matter is that Gore, like all other senior Democrats, signed off on liberating Iraq as far back as 1998 and now Gore and most other senior Democrats are pretending that liberating Iraq makes no sense at all.

That is a lie - that is Gore being dishonest; that is Gore poisoning our political discourse.

Nice try Mark.. But everything Bush said about Iraq was 100% true?

Do you want to know why we always say "Bush Lies!" - Because he does.. Here are some examples...

(Ed Note: Series of correct statements by President Bush, which are called lies on the left, excised. You'll have to find an actual lie before we'll let you post something that you think is a lie...we're rather tired of it: all this calling what is true a lie. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that something President Bush said was known by President Bush to be untrue at the time he said it, and we'll let it stand...other than that, we're not allowing B4B to be a place where the endless stream of leftwing lies gets repeated ad nauseum).

jbiccum -

"I dont think people against war are cowards. I think people who undermine our country while its at war are cowards."

Face it - you think anyone who dares question Mr Bush is a coward. Trouble is, that includes far more significant people than just Carter and Gore. Also openly breaking with Mr Bush are lots of decorated Generals, war heros, diplomats, and captains of industry. Of course, they are all cowards too - eh jbiccum?

Most wise people are coming to the conclusion that Mr Bush is the worst president in history, and is clearly incapable of looking out for our national interests. Copying neocon like a fawning child and calling everyone a coward doesn't change that.

I know Carter and Gore really get you wingnuts in a tizzy, but they are hardly at the forefront of criticizing Mr Bush. It's long been obvious to all but the most die-hard cult worshippers (and you 25% know who you are) that the wannabe Emperor wears no clothes. Many have been speaking out against Bush's misleadership for a long time, and in far harsher terms than Carter or Gore. Did anyone catch General Batiste's commercial a couple weeks back? Pretty shocking to hear that kind of criticism from a military officer.

Lost in the foaming reaction to President Carter is an even more damning indictment of Mr Bush in an exerpt released this week from a new book by Lee Iococca:

(Ed. Note: Ignorant rant by Lee Iaocca deleted; if you want to read it, go waste your money on his book).

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”

kblack, exactly which part is a "lie"? No wonder the intellectually superior crowd thinks increased CO2 levels are causing global warming.

They're libtards.

kblack,

We know that pretty much everything Bush says is going to be called by you a lie, so don't bother anymore with the litany.

At all events, this thread it about Gore's lies; about the lies on the left. Address the subject of the post.

(Ed. Note: rant by Lee Iaocca deleted because we can't handle the truth).

read it here:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17516.htm

Aaron,

And have you gone over to the MilBlogs to see what current and recent servicemember's are saying about Batiste's comments?

I didn't think so...because you, as a lefty, can't handle the truth.

Aaron,

We'll let your link stand - and we'll just remind people that Iaccoca, the supposed business genuis, "saved" Chrysler via a government-backed loan and then rode the Reagan boom to prosperity.

Just another hack, corporate boss...you on the left seem to love them lately (Soros, eg).

Mark -

"...the supposed business genuis, "saved" Chrysler via a government-backed loan and then rode the Reagan boom to prosperity... Just another hack, corporate boss..."

As opposed to Dick Cheney, who never used government "help" when he led Halliburton - eh Mark?

I remember in a recent post, Mark, that you warned readers to go ahead and criticize the message, but not the messenger. In fact, here is the quote: "Ed note: Any comments which attack the messenger will be deleted - you are to dispute what he says, not who he is." But it appears that everytime anybody (and I mean anybody) criticizes Mr Bush, you go straight to attacking the messenger, and ignore the message completely.

Same thing here - You ignore what Gen Batiste said, and instead slime him. You ignore what Lee Iococca said, and instead imply he was a nobody who knows nothing about business. Everybody who criticizes Bush deserves to be slimed. Bush is right - and anybody who says anything different is just worng. End of story.

How's the weather over there in Jonestown, Mark?

I find it interesting that the liberals who have commented to this post want to cover up, deny that and democrat has lied and if so who cares.

Bush is to blame for all thier problems in the world...

I am LOVING the editor notes, Mark. Excellent!!

"Most wise people are coming to the conclusion that Mr Bush is the worst president in history, and is clearly incapable of looking out for our national interests." Aarontime

LOL! Most wise people came to conclusion a LONG time ago that CARTER holds that distinction.

Aaron,

Nope, just tired of you and kblack repeating the litany. In fact, just to shorthand it, why don't you just post "anti-Bush litany"? We'll all know what it stands for, and we can keep the threads from being cluttered by your attempts to change the subject.

I know Carter and Gore really get you wingnuts in a tizzy, but they are hardly at the forefront of criticizing Mr Bush. It's long been obvious to all but the most die-hard cult worshippers (and you 25% know who you are) that the wannabe Emperor wears no clothes. Many have been speaking out against Bush's misleadership for a long time, and in far harsher terms than Carter or Gore. Did anyone catch General Batiste's commercial a couple weeks back? Pretty shocking to hear that kind of criticism from a military officer.

Lost in the foaming reaction to President Carter is an even more damning indictment of Mr Bush in an exerpt released this week from a new book by Lee Iococca:

Why would I be in a "tizzy" over the actual worst president in history, and a man who's career is trying to scare people into environmental action through stretched facts and outright lies? Lee Iococca must be one of your new heroes.

"Ed note: Any comments which attack the messenger will be deleted - you are to dispute what he says, not who he is." Unless of course, the messenger criticizes the Dear Leader. Then you must immediately ignore what they are saying and proceed to viciously attacking them... um, even if they were appointed to their position and previously openly praised by the Dear Leader himself. Got it? OK, carry on. Mark Nonnan

At-a-boy, Mark!

Thanks for crackin' down on these idiot liberals!

:o)

Jeremiah

"Nope, just tired of you and kblack repeating the litany. In fact, just to shorthand it, why don't you just post "anti-Bush litany"? We'll all know what it stands for, and we can keep the threads from being cluttered by your attempts to change the subject."

ROFLOL!!! Good one, Mark. Now, if only those two would heed your advice.

Aaron,

Of course, there is Rule Number One:

Its my blog, I'm right, you're wrong.

Thanks for playing.

"Of course, there is Rule Number One: Its my blog, I'm right, you're wrong. Thanks for playing".

And I've never had a problem with that Mark.

best regards,
Aaron

He argued that the war was lost. The enemy seemed too strong. The nation was being destroyed. We should not help. We must not get further involved. We must pull back the help we were already giving.

That was of course Ambassador Joseph Kennedy arguing against helping Great Britain.

Is Al Gore the only man to run for President that didn't carry his home state? I guess they knew him best.

Mark -

Hmm speaking of repression of the truth - its a good thing for you your the editor and can delete at will. If they are so obviously aren't lies why not let them stand and respond to them rather than just delete what you can't handle...

Do I smell fear? Do you really think Gore will run? Steve Jobs of Apple fame says in the new Time article that he hopes he runs, and if he runs, Jobs knows he'll win.

Any Mac users out there disagree with the genius of Jobs? Hopefully not, as Jobs recruited Gore to sit on Apple's Board of Directors back in '03, where he has championed non-toxic manufacturing methods and open source collaborations, just like he championed "those internets," which without Gore's legislation, would not exist for us to be blogging on here today. Oh, wait, that was all a Wired Magazine published "lie."

I DON'T think Al will run, so you can relax the Gore rhetoric for now. He has sealed his place in human history as an effective visionary, and will be thought of as a great humanitarian by future generations. You must disagree on both counts, as you still think he is somehow in the political arena. Maybe it ain't over 'til it's over...

Ah, the smell of fear in the morning!

Mark,

You make a series of assumptions ("...Gore was in favor of what could only be the liberation of Iraq."), then treat them as fact - and call the man a bald-faced liar, based only on your assumptions.

It's your blog and you can say what you want, but aren't you the least bit concerned about your credibility? When you make statements like this, it convinces me that you have no interest in the truth - that your only goal is to disparage liberals in order to win the political battle, and truth be damned. I'd say you are as guilty as anybody else in investing your pride in this debate.

Congressive: So, just because I use the Mac, I should agree with what Jobs said? LOL! And where does anybody say they're afraid Gore will run?

Extramedium: Did you view the video? Sure sounded like Gore, back in 1992, felt we should have liberated Iraq, or at the least stopped him from developing WMD.

kblack: I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. It's YOU'RE, not YOUR. Doah!

Gore writes that since "Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack…then that means the president took us to war when he didn't have to and that over 3,000 American service members have been killed…unnecessarily."

Is that a "bald faced lie," yes or no? If you say no, then do you contend that Iraq had any complicity on the 9/11 attack, yes or no? Since no weapons of mass destruction have yet been found in Iraq, do you contend that Iraq posed any danger to National Security to the United States? If so, what danger?

Did we "have to" go to war in Iraq? Yes or no. If so, why? If not, then Al Gore told the truth. Didn't he?

As for this statement,

The problem this presents to the American people as a whole is that our political system cannot function while one side of it is living a lie. It breaks down because while lies can do wonders for you, they eventually collapse upon themselves - and our problem is that when these lies do collapse, there will be tens of millions of Americans who's pride will be unwilling to let them go...and that is the stuff with which civil wars are made.

I think that describes you Bush cultists a lot better than it describes us. The Iraq war was a con job by this administration. You are the ones who "refuses to let go." And I'll tell you why. When this administration leaves office, you neocons are toast -- for good.

Carter's lost it.

Gore, like all other senior Democrats, signed off on liberating Iraq as far back as 1998 and now Gore and most other senior Democrats are pretending that liberating Iraq makes no sense at all.
--Mark Noonan

But, you have to ask yourself, Did he?
Did Gore even have a freakin' plan for Iraq's invasion?

As far as this topic goes, there is only one instance I can think of in the Clinton Admin. where military action was taken against Iraq:
They launched missiles at Iraq's nuclear weapons program, which entirely took it out, leaving Iraq to pose NO threat to the US whatsoever.

Right here, you guys have taken ONE quote, and blown it way out of proportion.

But remember:
Gore was an outspoken critic of the war BEFORE IT BEGAN.

Also, remember the old saying: actions speak louder than words. Meaning, did Gore do anything to invade Iraq? Huh? Did he?

I think you'll find that the answer is...no.

Your one quote cannot stand against a mountain of evidence against it.

Besides, we still don't have the FULL QUOTE, do we? Somebody please find it and post it up here.

ThELefTYFoOL

This is for all you democRATs
living in your delusional world that Bush LIED.
Talk about mindnumbed ROBOTS.
Tinfoil hats abound in the new MARXIST world of democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&eurl=

I met Al Gore in the Memphis Airport one time...he looked like Professor Corey. Discombobulated and uncoordinated to say the least. Congressive called him 'an effective visionary'!! ha ha Like the time he was touring the Jefferson Memorial, and asked who the bust of Jefferson was!!! LOL Such a visionary!! I wouldn't let him teach 2nd grade.