The Bush administration... (Ed Note: Deleted a series of known lies).

And you claim to support the troops?

No, its the Democrats who actually support the troops. By demanding proper training, equipment, and limited deployment. By trying to bring them home, by demanding good medical treatment for wounded soldiers, instead (deleted known lie), by telling you and the administration to stop this insanity.

that's right - "keep up the fight" - such BOLD and BRAVE proclamations from the safety of your living room - so full of self-sacrifice. honestly, on a day when one of the deadliest single attack on US soldiers was perpetrated since the start of the iraq war, we've got our own ARMCHAIR generals mongering on for WAR WITHOUT END. or at least, war until bush has safely left office.

you may wrap yourself up in the thinnest of hopes that the democrats will have overplayed their hand, but as the daily toll on US life and treasure continue to mount, it will be the GOP who I promise will be slaughtered in 2008 - pitched as the one party who stood-up for FAILURE, failure of a president, failure of a policy of war without end, without benchmarks, and without and plan whatsoever, and failure to recognize that the public stand united behind the democrats. trust me, the reverse logic you've tenuously clung to for so long maybe worked in 2004, but the day is setting on the GOP and this president. the majority of this country is against this war and that majority will continue to grow. there is simply no debating that very germane point.

People voted for a change in Iraq, not defund and retreat. I just sigh when I read you're posts. You seem to be very intelligent, but It's too bad you always have to use talking points for arguements. Thats ok though. I personally think the democrats are overplaying their hands. It shows everyday.

PM, Every single assertion in your first paragraph is a lie. You are either a liar, or stupid, or both.

1. No lies were told. Intelligence was bad, on SOME things. I challenge you to look up the definition of lie and point out ONE told by the president.

2. Our forces kicked ass. The occupation took us by surprise and armor was added as soon as possible. Did you have some OTHER equipment in mind besides armor. Because you are almost certainly NOT a vet, I doubt you do.

3. The VA. No cuts. Flat out lie.

So since your FIRST paragraph was crap... why should I care about your second?

By the way, the troops don't agree with you, and they hate you. I mean like revolution hate you.

Kahn is in deep denial PM. To him slightly twisting truths is not a lie unless it doesn't support his party line.
The Troops are sick of Bush and people like Kahn who have no family members serving in this war.
I hope Kahn ends up in a VA hospital so he can see first hand how great our Vets are being treated there.

Yeah, Kahn,
That's why we have a military that is subordinate to our civilian leaders -- you don't need to look at too many military dictatorships to understand that despite their professional expertise -- we don't need, or want, a country run by soldiers.
That should not be construed as a swipe at veterans -- being ex military certainly doesn't disqualify a person for public service -- but no serving military person should be in charge of deploying -- or undeploying -- troops.
But then, over here, there seems to be a sentiment toward military control -- so if you really want a revolution -- I guess you'll have to pull the troops out -- because most folks here don't support the war, or this president, anymore.

PM-

You're forgetting a few things:

(Ed. Note: Deleted series of known lies) and on and on and on.

These are the people who "support the troops." Uh-huh. Tell me another one.

Please keep reminding everyone, with a loud and clear voice, that Bush is a Republican and that Republicans stand by Bush.

That way, there is no mistake, no doubt, no other people to blame for the last six years of incompetence, criminal behavior and malfeasance.

Please keep pointing out that Bush is a Republican and that will guarantee the political equivalent of Siberian isolation for decades.

Yes, oh yes. Bush is a Republican! Stand by him and stand proud!

Wade

What the DEMS and the MSM don't want you to know is that THE SURGE IS WORKING

They highlight spectacular suicide attacks and run interviews of Dirty Harry, telling everyone that the "war is lost". In the meantime, the statistics show a different story.

Total violent deaths in the Country of Iraq, including civilians, insurgents, Iraqi police and military, Coalition troops, American GIs, as well as deaths due to street crime were as follows:

February '07 74
March '07 64
April '07 to date 39

This means that the violent death rate throughout IRAQ has DECREASED by 47% in three months even though not more than 50% of surge troops have been deployed.

In the meantime the Baghdad figures are even more impressive:

February '07 45
March '07 34
April '07 to date 13

In otherwords the violent death rate has decreased by 71% in Baghdad over the last three months.

On a per capita basis, it is now only twice the violent death rate of PHILADELPHIA, where the only problem is the Democrat administration.

But the DEMS and the MSM don't want you to know this.

BTW: In case you leftist weasels are doubting these numbers you can get them from iraqbodycount.org...A LEFTIST ORGANIZATION.

(Of course you'll have to do a little work)

By the way, the troops don't agree with you, and they hate you. I mean like revolution hate you.

Kahn, I don't think any of our resident Lefties even come close to understanding your drift. I wonder how many members of our military have seen good friends die and equate it directly or indirectly to actions of the anti-war Left. We may not be too far away from finding out just how pissed off they are.

Unless and until Republicans and Conservatives learn how to effectively counter the LYING DEMOCRAT'S rhetoric and propaganda, Republicans are going to continue to lose public opinion and support -- on issue after issue after issue!

After six plus years of listening to the Democrat's lies (e.g. Bush-lied -- which he did not!), Republicans still give no indication they have learned a thing about how to get their message across and how to counter the Democrats.

I have yet to hear senior level Republicans tell the American people in plain English that it is the DEMOCRATS, by their actions, words, and deeds, who have encouraged and emboldened the terrorists... and in effect, it is the DEMOCRATS who HAVE KILLED our TROOPS and who CONTINUE to KILL our TROOPS along with tens of thousands of IRAQI men, women, and children.

Stop telling the American people that Democrats do not support our troops. Start telling the American people that DEMOCRATS are getting them and the Iraqi people KILLED!

Unfortunately, that message should have been stated and repeated every possible chance for the past 4 plus years. At this point, it's almost a lost and irreversible cause for Republicans!

Don't Republicans have anyone working in their strategy group (if they even have such a thing) who understands the propaganda, indoctrination, and brain washing techniques Democrats use on the American people? Don't Republicans have anyone who can advise their politicians on how to use those same techniques?

APPARENTLY NOT!!!

AAR

So tell me, guys, how much of this "Republicans support the troops" BS still shines during the Tillman-Lynch hearings? How many layers of the Army and DoD unashamedly lied, tarnishing the image of their service as well as the honor of those killed for no reason other than PR?

Spook - exactly. Those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it. Look what defeat on the battlefield did to Russia in 1917. (Some you liberals posters celebrate 1917, don't you?) Look what the perception of betrayal at home did to Germany after World War One. I wish I could say that these times are unprecedented in this country. But they're not. The hatred and anger in Washington HAS existed before - in the 1850's.

An already conservative and all-volunteer military is furious as never before at the flat out betrayal by the left and the press. Yes lefties, we DO consider you to be traitors. Really, honestly, we do. Not all of us do, granted. But a growing number do. Can't you think about that for just a moment before launching into your programmed replies? Think about not whether you are, but why we think you are?

You now have Marines and soldiers with years of combat experiences who HATE the Democratic leadership in Congress. Haven't any of ever seen the picture of the Army officer smiling and shaking Hillary's hand while giving her the finger behind his back?

You may not think you are causing defeat, but we do. The first matter may be open to debate. But you should seriously consider the consequences of the second matter. You think YOU'RE angry? Guess what, so are we. Welcome to Conflict 101.

We read your lies and your venom and we think, "hey - these guys are jerks!" We see you attack Republicans and their offices with fire bombs, gunfire, and union mobs and we think, "Hey, maybe I should stock up on AR15 magazines. I've got eight - but I've got two AR-15s..."

Legion... but there HAVE been heroes. I can think of three Navy Crosses off the top of my head. Can you think of ANY?

You must be so proud of finding another fault with the military. You know.... some of them may be sick and tired of your shit. Maybe they wonder why you're not supporting them. Maybe the understand that erroding support here drives more violence THERE? Because violence THERE is aimed at the press and liberal assholes HERE?

Kahn, I sense that you're getting about as fed up as I am with the damage the Left has done to this country.

Kahn,

Who cares if you hate the left or not. They hate the right just as much. I find it funny that you think people around this country care about the military of the US. WHO CARES. Military men and family members combined don't make up more than 5 million people in this country. Thats an insignificant number of people compared to the number of people that don't want this war.

Whether you hate the left or not, or whether the right hates the left or whether your army hates the left is of NO CONSEQUENCE. In the end, you will lose the war because of lack of popular support at home, and hatred of your "soldiers" abroad. The more they die, the weaker you get in the knees here. Have fun responding to this post.

Mr. Noonan et al.

The very title of your essay represents, in a nutshell, the problem Bush has with conservatives:
standing with Bush is no longer standing with the troops.
Look forward to your responses.

Kahn,

I realize you think I'm a traitor. Really, I do. I also realize that you, and the party you follow in lockstep, has been entirely, horrifically wrong about Iraq. This is fact; any sane person can look back and see what was being said and done 4, 3, 2, or even 1 year ago, and see just how wrong this administration and its supporters have been.

However, I'm past trying to reason with you, and I certainly don't care what you think. All that's left is to shake my head and make fun of you.

BTW, in your last post you seem to be obliquely threatening violence against 60% of our countrymen. Two questions for posters on this blog: 1. Isn't that the kind of speech that leads to someone getting banned from this site? and 2. Given that Kahn apparently wants to kill 60% of our country, shouldn't we classify him as a terrorist and report him to the proper authorities?

Mark,

Looks like the troops aren't standing with the GOP

So now all of you patriotic, troop supporting, flag waving, right wing Americans, ya’ll got to come up with a few more names.

Cindy Sheehan sacrificed her son’s life at the alter of freedom. Casey Sheehan was killed while fighting the war on terror and as a thank-you, you troop-supporting-righties dubbed her “a useful idiot.” Can’t you feel the love?

Now Kevin Tillman, (Pats Tillman’s brother) and Jessica Lynch are getting uppity and need a taste of that special GOP love.

I suggest B4B has a “Name Those Traitors” contest.

Jessica’s an easy one. Ya’ll just need to reverse her name. “Lynch Jessica.” Ya’ll like that don’t cha? I thought you would!

Kevin Tillman may be a little more difficult. Maybe “Crybaby Kevin?”

Ya'll think of something I have faith in you.

Kahn, I sense that you're getting about as fed up as I am with the damage the Left has done to this country.
Posted by: Retired Spook at April 24, 2007 02:38 PM

I am astounded, RS, that you would label your dear President and associates, Leftists. What has gotten into you?

I've been a Republican LONG before I ever heard of George Bush. I'm not advocating revolution. I'm just a volcano warning system. You fools are playing with fire and you don't realize it.

The left has spewed its hate for seven years now. You are willing to destroy our military and lose a war because of your blind hatred of George Bush. You ignore the consequences in the region, in the military, and ultimately at home. You grossly underestimate the damage you are doing. But you do the damage none-the-less. Your constant attacks encourage terrorists to commit… more acts of terror. Those acts of terror KILL Americans, along with other men, women, and children. Terrorism is aimed at the population of the target nation and NOT at those being harmed. They are merely means to an end.

Since every attack results is louder shriller cries from you, you immediately validate terroristic acts which leads to more. Really, you can’t see that? Ever read Mao’s book? I’m sure SOME of you have. YOU provide the motivation for murder. Yes, YOU do. You are the baby killers my moron friends.

Why does civil war seem so far fetched to you? It happens around the world all the time. It's happened here before. Humiliate the military... AGAIN... and it could happen here.

Oh, and GT... that small minority in the military has the guns, bombs, tanks, planes, and nuclear weapons. The second Amendment was supposed to protect us from stuff like this, but liberals destroyed it.

Gee, Kahn,
I think that you need to take "chill pill" or whatever meds you're supposed to be on.
You have been calling for an armed insurection in the United States -- I don't know if that constitutes treason, but it is scary -- that out-of-control nut cases are even allowed to own a gun.
I think that if you are thinking of organizing a revolution you had better find another source of support -- somehow I don't see the vast majority of American soldiers and marines as being complicit in a plot to overthrow their elected leaders -- I hope I'm right (except for the lack of draftees, I don't see that they're much different today) and that's just you howling at the moon.
Should such a plot be discovered it would certainly be treasonous -- and probably a reason for the disbanding of any units involved -- and the jailing of its perpetrators -- and naturally, a dishonorable discharge.

legion

Are you saying ALL deaths are caused by friendly fire and covered up? Are you saying MOST are caused by friendly fire and covered up? Are you saying that this incident is such a MAJOR and RECURRING problem that it warrants Democrats once again dragging America's military and America's image through ALL of the world's papers and media outlets day after day after day?

Based on the media spectacle and sensationalism this is getting from the Democrats and the liberal media, this must be a continual, repetitive, and recurring problem. That's what the American's and the entire world would take from it based on the Democrat's reaction. Are you saying that the damage done to America's image by the Democrat's and liberal media's sensationalism is justified and warranted?

Why do we need this event blown up by the Democrats to the level of sensationalism it has created? Why can't it be referred to an independent commission, reviewed, and appropriate action taken? Why must Democrats use events like this to smear and demean the image of ALL of our military and smear, demean, and damage the image of ALL of American around the world? Why? ...PURELY and SOLELY for the DEMOCRAT'S political GAIN!!!

It doesn't matter what damage the DEMOCRAT'S sensationalism might do to the image of America and America's military. What counts is to make the military, America, and the Administration look bad in hopes of it benefiting the Democrats!

DEMOCRATS UBER ALLES!!!

AAR

Deleted - finally had enough of this guy slandering our country; commenter banned.

Kahn,
Your comments reflect the ultimate problem with the "modern" (Bush-era) GOP... You can hate the left. Go ahead; there's people here who hate you just as virulently. Your failing (and one shown repeatedly in public speeches by both Bush and Cheney) is in assuming you _are_ America; that any disagreement with you is criticism of America, that what you hate is by definition un-American. I don't hate you, Khan; but if I did, it wouldn't have any impact on the love I have for my country. But too many people these days can't seperate the two, and that's why the electorate is slowly turning farther and farther away from what the GOP has become - November '06 was only the beginning.

And AAR,
First, wipe off the spittle - it's fogging up your monitor.
Are you saying ALL deaths are caused by friendly fire and covered up? Are you saying MOST are caused by friendly fire and covered up?

I'm saying none of those things. I'm saying that the way the Lynch and Tillman incidents were treated was callow and honorless.

Are you saying that this incident is such a MAJOR and RECURRING problem that it warrants Democrats once again dragging America's military and America's image through ALL of the world's papers and media outlets day after day after day?

Yes. Because that's the only way senior leadership, both in and out of uniform, will stop tolerating such shameful behavior - by publicly shaming them. I absolutely do not believe that's how our troops regularly behave over there, but after reading the details of those two incidents, and the recent courts-martial the Marines are going through (and the level of cover-ups those cases had to fight through to see the light of day) I believe things like this _must_ be made public in order for the people to continue to have confidence and pride in our military. To claim 100% of our troops are perfect is foolish; to lie & make it look like they are is moral travesty. To admit that they are not, and to properly punish the guilty is the beginning of institutional recovery.

Salvelinus, GT - I am not advocating a revolution - just can't help lying can you? I'm predicting one. Big difference.

What did I do? Scare you? Maybe you could stop being such jerks.

I'm just saying that the LAST time Democrats built up this much hatred in DC there were dire consequences. You seem totally ignorant of the damage you are doing. So, I'm pointing it out.

How long do you think people will tolerate your attacks on America and the military? How long SHOULD they tolerate it? Your actions drive terrorists to kill people. Your plan for the mid-east will lead to millions of dead. Just as the way you pulled out of Viet Nam caused millions of dead.

You are dangerous in you smug ignorance. Really, how long do you think before the responsible people do something about it?

legion - OBVIOUSLY the Tillman and Lynch incidents were handled wrong. Do you think the NYT will run them as front page stories fo 50 days like Abu Grab?

These are minor compared to the damage the left is doing. Do I hate them? Were you here when only THREE liberal posters agreed to renounce violence against conservatives? They HATE. How long should I or anyone else tolerate it? How long should I let them ecourage our enemies to kill Marines and Soldiers and innocent Iraqi's and Afghani's before I say enough is enough.

LIBERALS ARE ENCOURAGING TERRORISTS TO KILL AMERICANS. Screw them.

Kahn,
You are always mentioning that only 16 percent of the troops are Democrats. What you forget to mention from the same poll is this:

"While Bush fared well overall, his political party didn’t. In the three previous polls, nearly 60 percent of the respondents identi fied themselves as Republicans, which is about double the popula tion as a whole. But in this year’s poll, only 46 percent of the military respondents said they were Republicans. However, there was not a big gain in those identifying themselves as Democrats — a figure that consistently hovers around 16 percent. The big gain came among people who said they were independents."
Or this:
"Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The president’s approval rating among the military is only slightly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bush’s handling of the war. While approval of the president’s war leadership has slumped, his overall approval remains high among the military."
Frankly, I think at this point our soldiers are sick of both parties.

kahn
The damage done by Abu Ghraib was the policy that alllowed Abu Ghraib and the lack of accountability that followed.
Matthew Dowd, the president's former aide, said he believed the president had not moved aggressively enough to hold anyone accountable for the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and that Mr. Bush still approached governing with a “my way or the highway” mentality reinforced by a shrinking circle of trusted aides.

kahn
When you say something like this:
"...how long do you think before the responsible people do something about it?"
I'm curious what you mean. Could you clarify who you think are the "responsible people" and what actions you think they should take?

Ten additional Senate votes in 2008 and who cares what Republicans think. We will bring our troops safely home.

However, I'm past trying to reason with you, and I certainly don't care what you think. All that's left is to shake my head and make fun of you.

Good, because we've never cared what you thought anyway, Stevie.

Don't think your the majority here you conservative kook.

It's "you're," gtgrad. Don't they teach English in college anymore? I'm sure they can fit it in, between Marxism101, Socialism101, and HateAmerica101...

Cindy Sheehan sacrificed her son’s life at the alter of freedom. Casey Sheehan was killed while fighting the war on terror and as a thank-you, you troop-supporting-righties dubbed her “a useful idiot.” Can’t you feel the love?

Wrong. Casey Sheehan volunteered his own life in the defense of freedom, his country and his comrades. His life was not for Cindy to give, if it were, he would be with us now because HE volunteered to serve, not her and she hated the very idea of his military service.

Cindy is the one abusing her own son's memory and his honorable service, unless you believe the carefully-orchestrated photo-ops in Crawford were to be admired. Hell, Cindy wrote a book that had her own mug on the cover posing with Martin Sheen...and poor Casey was nowhere to be seen.

BTW, what exactly was the purpose of Ms. Sheehan displaying a map of the middle east that showed Israel being replaced by 'Palestine'? I thought this was all about Casey?

legion,

Yes, people like your useless Democrats (Liberals) would destroy America if they could make one lousy political point! Democrats are the ones who have damaged America's image and that of our military around the world!

Hopefully, Republicans will one day wake up and do exactly the same thing to the Democrats!

Hopefully, Americans will one day get fed up with the Democrat's anti-Americanism.

At least you admit to your tactics.

AAR

Yes, people like your useless Democrats (Liberals) would destroy America if they could make one lousy political point! Democrats are the ones who have damaged America's image and that of our military around the world!

Posted by: AAR at April 24, 2007 06:55 PM

Au contraire, mon ami, it is the liberal voice speaking out for justice and truth that is the saving grace for America's image around the world.

The dark and dangerous ideas coming from the Bush administration and its worshipers need to be countered by free-thinkers and those who still love their country to say enough is enough.

Too bad those brave liberal fighters for justice and truth dont have the ability to carry their cause farther than the borders of their own neighborhoods.

Lets call up the black Sudanese in Darfur and ask them what they think, they can contact a few Congolese adolescent females and they can all get together at a girl's school in Afghanistan to discuss the issue. First item on the agenda: how courageous liberals have worked on their behalf over the past few decades.

Yessir, the brave free-thinkers for justice, coming soon to a safe, western country near you where the locals wont try to chop your head off when you promote your steadfast activism.

As Dan Rather would say, "courage".

America will defeat al queda and the democrats.

Note:

stats above are daily violent deaths.

Well than you Casper. I made you read.

Some military choose no party. Yes. And some are too conservative for todays Republican Party.

But - good to see you reading. Happy about the Republicans ONLY outnumbering Democrats 3 to 1? Wow.

By reacting to terrorist acts the way you do, liberals give positive re-enforcement to terrorist groups.

1. People killed in terrorist act to achieve desired outcome
2. Liberals point to terrorist act and argue for the desired outcome
3. People killed in ANOTHER terrorist act to achieve desired outcome

You liberals claim to be so smart and you can't see that? Either you are first rate morons, or you just don't care how many people get killed. Which is it?

Why does civil war seem so far fetched to you? It happens around the world all the time. It's happened here before. Humiliate the military... AGAIN... and it could happen here.

Did you type that one-handed, kahn? It sure seems like it.

Liberals:
1. When suppressive control of minorities fails, substitute addictive welfare to guarantee their vote.
2. Ignore ANY possibility that a fetus might be alive and advocate killing them when it’s convenient to the mother or when it makes socio-economic sense.
3. Practically ally with our enemies by embracing their agenda. Undermine our troops at every turn. And give positive reinforcement to terrorists.
4. Claim taking embarrassing photos is torture, but give broken bones and beheading committed by our enemies a pass.
5. Attack conservatives for putting forward a Social Se4curity plan, that was almost exactly like the one they’d put forward a few years earlier.
6. Suppress Freedom of Speech with campaign finance laws, a lockstep liberal media, control of money by people like George Soros, speech rules on Campuses, attacks on conservatives, attacks on conservative offices.
7. Suppress the right to defend yourself with clearly unconstitutional weapons laws – that do not work and never have.
8. Attack the Boy Scouts for not wanting homosexual men to take their little boys camping in the woods. When that attack fails in court, shift to calling Scouts a “religious” institution. This hit me this month when a liberal in control our elementary schools PTO refused to recharter our Cub Scout pack – for apparently political reasons. Next we’ll see if the PTO seizes the kids dues money and the money they raised selling pop corn. (you must be soooo proud).
9. Push a “gay” rights agenda, but fail to support polygamy, which makes just as much sense. As does beastiality come to think of it.

What did I miss? Oh yah…. Bush is evil, Bush lied, FOX News is evil, Haliburton, Haliburton, Rove is evil. Bushbots. Neocons.

Cindy Sheehan sacrificed her son’s life at the alter of freedom.

"Alter?" Looks like mike h sacrificed his brain at the altar of stupidity...

Kahn,

A good abbreviated summary to start!

Those are the types of things Americans need to hear and understand. And repetition is one of the keys to getting that message across. The message must be repeated over and over and over until it slowly begins to sink in!

If Republicans had put forth just a small effort the past four years attacking our enemies (Liberals, Democrats) here in the United States, they wouldn't have lost the election and Democrats would still be where they belong -- the minority party!

If our Republican politicians can't or won't do that, we need to find ways to get it done!

AAR

DeLay says top Dems close to treason, April 24, 2007...

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "are getting very, very close to treason," DeLay said in a meeting with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

"We have people dying," he said. "Not just our soldiers, but innocent citizens dying in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hands of these evil people, and you have your elected leaders making these kinds of statements that embolden the enemy. It's unbelievable."

It sounds like Tom has been reading some of my posts on his blog, but he's still holding back!

Hopefully Tom DeLay will get those politically motivated indictments resolved soon so he can work harder to call the Democrats just what they are!

AAR

As I've said before, I believe the Democrat's have already stepped across the line and could be removed from office in accordance with the 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment, Section 3 to the U.S. Constitution states:

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

(Emphasis mine.)

AAR

CO,

To the contrary.

Liberalism is like rust or cancer, weakening and destroying the body from within.

If it is not removed, it will eventually kill the body in which it exists!

Democrats embrace, embolden, encourage, and support Liberalism!

AAR

AAR, problem is that 2/3 majority requirement. I wonder how comfortable some of the blue dog democrats are with this crap? They should switch parties. Unless they're willing to be bought off with pork that will be vetoed anyways.

kahn,

Even counting the RINOs, I don't think they can muster a 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate to negate the Amendment. They can't even get a majority to pass their "non binding" resolutions and their "pull the money" surrender legislation without bribery. We'll see how they can do at overriding the President's veto!

I don't know what the mechanics are to remove them from office. If it takes a majority vote by Congress, the Democrats would obviously block that for the moment, but maybe not in the future. That would make each election even more "interesting" for them as they waited and wondered about their jobs!

Since it doesn't say, perhaps it would be up to Attorney General Gonzales to escort them "out of town". I wouldn't see where Gonzales would have a problem doing that!!!

AAR

Los Angeles Times, April 24 2007

War votes target GOP lawmakers...

WASHINGTON -- As congressional Democrats move to force President Bush to veto a war spending bill that would start a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, they are simultaneously pursuing a carefully crafted offensive aimed at another target: Republican lawmakers.

In the charged debate over the war, the strategy aims to achieve Democratic objectives on both policy and political fronts, according to party leaders and aides.

Convinced that Bush will never listen to their calls to bring troops home, senior Democrats have concluded they must force Republicans to vote again and again in defense of the unpopular war until enough plead with the president to change course.

But Democratic strategists also believe that repeated votes on the war will allow the party to expand its congressional majorities in next year's elections by continuing to link GOP lawmakers with the president and his war policies.

"Our goal is to keep giving them votes" on Iraq, said Emanuel, widely considered one of Capitol Hill's savviest political tacticians.

Across the country, Democratic campaign strategists, backed by anti-war groups such as MoveOn.org, are seeking to highlight the Iraq votes of Collins and two other GOP senators up for re-election next year in states where opposition to the Iraq war runs high -- New Hampshire's John Sununu and Minnesota's Norm Coleman.

There are no signs Democrats plan to let up.

Unfortunately, if Republicans don't wake up, change their strategy and tactics, and attack the Democrats much more aggressively, the Democrat strategy will likely work.

Unfortunately too, non-support of our troops doesn't matter to many "alleged" Americans! Democrats are actively working to [falsely] sell their "believable lie" that they are the ones supporting the troops by bring them home. Their politicians, bloggers, and media will be working 24/7 to instill that lie in the minds of the American public, and Republicans will still be sitting back watching it happen, apparently not understanding what's happening!

Democrats don't care what happens in Iraq as a result of their efforts. It won't matter what happens in Iraq either, because that will occur later, and Democrats would then start their propaganda campaign of more "believable lies" to blame that on President Bush and the Republicans.

Republicans need to find some people who know how to effectively deal with enemy propaganda and indoctrination techniques -- perhaps some retired military even. They are going to have to organize and fight with much more than their votes in Congress too.

Do not count on Americans today to understand the true facts and correctly sort the issues out themselves; most are incapable of thinking anything other than what is repetitively hammered into their thoughts; and most of the younger have been brainwashed by today's liberal educators!

Democrat's know how to use their majority in Congress... something Republicans never learned!

AAR

AAR
"Democrat's know how to use their majority in Congress... something Republicans never learned!"

Ha ha ha. What? You didn't like the rubber stamp, the lack of oversight, and unaccountability from the republican majority in congress?

carsick,

I think it's great that you Democrats really know how to use Congress to attack your opponents. That's why Congress was established in the first place, to provide a legal means to attack and destroy the opposition!

I'm just really irritated that Republicans can't seem to get that through their heads and let their chance at McCarthy-style hearings slip through their fingers without even giving it a try.

Just think of the witch hunts and damage Republicans could have done during these past six years if the had just been as smart as Democrats. Republicans had the big guns in their hands and didn't even know what they were or how to pull the trigger!

I want Republicans to learn from and follow the Democrat's example. The next time Republicans have control of Congress, I want them to investigate, subpoena, and grill every single Democrat they possibly can!

AAR

AAR
The republicans figured out they might get a president to lie about an affair and get him to be the second president in our country's history to be impeached. That's some accomplishment for some folks. I'm guessing you want then to be even more cynical and manipulative next time.
Be careful what you ask for.
Some folks say turnabout is fair play though in this case I don't think the people of the Middle East are as willing as Lewinsky and Jones were reported to have been.

carsick,

Democrats think sexual misconduct in office by the President of the United States is no big deal. Oh, that's right, to Democrats (Liberals) there is no such thing as sexual "misconduct" -- anything goes!

Have you forgotten President Bill Clinton's infamous lie?

President Bill Clinton, January 17, 1998...

Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.

But then, Clinton had a string of lies and sexual misconduct...

The Supreme Court, October 1, 2001...

WASHINGTON, The Supreme Court ordered former President Clinton disbarred from practicing law before the high court on Monday and gave him 40 days to contest the order.

In April, Clinton's Arkansas law license was suspended for five years and he paid a $25,000 fine. The original disbarment lawsuit was brought by a committee of the Arkansas Supreme Court.

Clinton agreed to the Arkansas fine and suspension Jan. 19, the day before he left office, as part of an understanding with Independent Counsel Robert Ray to end the Monica Lewinsky investigation.

The agreement also satisfied the legal effort by the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct to disbar Clinton for giving misleading testimony in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case.

AAR