Civil war, Mark? As in armed conflict? Between who and who-the far left and the rest of the US?

Anyone suffering from Noonan Syndrome around here?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070418120851.htm

Hmmmm...............

Wade

Hagel needs to switch parties already.

He is of no use to the Republican Party.

He must indeed have delusions of grandeur to think that he stands even a snowball's chance in hades of being the GOP nominee in '08.

Hagel is up for re-election in 2008; although, I have read that he may not want another term in the Senate. Perhaps Conservatives should unite and work together to remove him!

AAR

Hagel sucks alright.

Hagel sucks alright.

Hagel is gay?

Freedom,

Lots of different scenarios are possible for violence, and I still hope it can be averted...but the far left has so much vitriol in them that I don't think they can climb down...and I don't think they'll accept it if they don't win it all.

"I think they will be swept away by the leftwing tide and forced into ever more extreme leftwing positions. If that does happen, then we're at crisis point, with the 2008 election as the backdrop and civil war as a possiiblity at the end of the day."

Mark,

You're so cute when you throw around "civil war" like it's 1852. But how can you complain about "extreme leftwing positions" and then mention rebellion from the United States in the same sentence, with a straight face?

Gar Wood

I wouldnt protest much if someone tried to impeach Harry Reid.

Sadly, in todays govt, you can only be impeached for doing your duty, so Harry and the rest of the democratic surrender monkeys somehow manage to get a pass when they give aid and comfort to the enemy.

Civil war over what?

The right of a President to strip Americans from Habeas Corpus? The right of a President for warrentless searches? The right of a President to torture?

The right of a President to ignore the Constitution when it limits his' or hers ‘unitary executive rights’?

What would be your rallying cry?

Gar,

Listening to leftwingers talk, I just get the strong impression that had 2006 gone the other way then at least some of them would have turned to violence. Additionally, I get the strong impression that if anything other than leftwing victory (as defined by the far left) is the result of a national US election, then at least some of them would turn to violence.

Lets say, just for the sake of argument, that 10% of the American people are on the far left - the far left, as I'm sure you are aware, believes that President Bush was illegally awarded the White House in 2000 and he then used his ill-gotten power to usurp the rights of the American people in order to wage cruel, criminal, imperialist war for the benefit of his rich cronies. To cap it all off, this Criminal in Chief had his buddies at Diebold rig the voting machines in Ohio to ensure Bush was re-elected in 2004. And now this criminal in the White House won't listen to the clearly expressed will of the people demanding a complete and immediate withdrawl from Iraq. It is too much to bear...and if, say, a McCain or Giuliani pledged to victory in the war were to be elected in 2008...well, then that would just be proof to the far left that there is no democratic remedy.

If 10% of the American people are of the far left and if just 10% of these far leftists turn to violence, then that works out to 3,000,000 people...that is more than enough to start a civil war.

Now, on the other hand...

Suppose, say, that John Edwards gets elected next year and early in 2009 negotiates some bogus regional security agreement between Iran, Syria and Iraq and to much hoopla brings the troops home - the enemy is emboldened by this craven retreat and, after securing control of at least parts of Iraq as a base of operations, it starts to plot and plan attacks upon the United States (you lefties feel safe because you've got a "control group" of delegates from the United States, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc watching over Iraq to make sure no terrorist hanky-panky goes on...we on the right are warning you morning, noon and night that far from contolling terrorism, the "control group" is actually funding terrorism...you, of course, calmly ignore us because we're a bunch of rightwing warmongers who just don't understand the nuances of middle eastern politics).

In the United States, there are about 4 million Moslems - Moslem who will be heavily targeted for propaganda by the terrorist groups and if even 1% of America's Moslems decide to join the winning side (hey, they kicked our butts in Iraq, didn't they?) that means we've got 40,000 people willing to set off bombs in the United States. And as you've done away with that wicked Patriot Act and terrorist surveillance program, they are able to easily coordinate their efforts without worrying that you'll get a warrant before the bomb goes off...and when the bomb does go off, the American people explode with anger and start to take matters into their own hands on securing themselves from the threat of radical Islam...President Edwards calls out the National Guard to quell the disorders, only to find out that the National Guard is joining the citizenry in defiance of the federal government (do try to undersand the raging contempt and anger the troops are feeling towards Democrats these days).

That is just two possible scenarios...there are a dozen ways to start a civil war, all thanks to the left making our politics poisonous.

I see, Mark.

In your second scenario, those 40,000 Muslims (very low estimate) who are willing to set off bombs in the United States would probably be joined by 84,000 Canadian Muslims-that's 12 percent of Canada's Muslim population who also believe in armed, violent jihad against the Western nation of Canada, according to a recent poll. Things could go to Hell, fast, if that happened. Just ask the Buddhists of Thailand.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27159

Hagel sucks alright.

Hagel is gay?

:)))))))) great joke, thanks.

Wow, you folks sure is crazy.

I just get the strong impression

Mark, you had a strong impression that Republicans would win both houses of Congress in the mid-term elections. Maybe you should start keeping your "strong impressions" to yourself.

You think yourself smart, but you get these strong impressions that are so divoriced from reality that maybe you do have Noonan Syndrome. Nobody but you was claiming the Republicans would win both houses. Do you like being the stupidest person on the internet? Its ok, now that I know you have a syndrome, I feel sorry for you.

Do any of your civil war scenarios include conservatives starting one? It seems that your inability to see the plank in your own party's eye carries into your delusional civil war scenarios.

"If 10% of the American people are of the far left and if just 10% of these far leftists turn to violence, then that works out to 3,000,000 people...that is more than enough to start a civil war."

Mark,

First of all, I am skeptical that 1% of the population is enough to start a civil war. But even assuming that ludicrous premise as fact, just because there are enough people to start a civil war does not mean that they WILL start a civil war.

"there are about 4 million Moslems - Moslem who will be heavily targeted for propaganda by the terrorist groups and if even 1% of America's Moslems decide to join the winning side (hey, they kicked our butts in Iraq, didn't they?) that means we've got 40,000 people willing to set off bombs in the United States."

I would guess you have had little to no interaction with any Muslims in this country since 9/11. I would also guess you have had little to no dialogue with any Democrats (where you actually had to answer the hard questions, in person) in a long time. I'm sure you justify that for whatever reason, but I would suggest talking to these people before you accuse them of inciting a civil war in this country.

Gar Wood

I have long thought we are rapidly approaching the division that could cause a civil war.
The poison and vitreol of the left is nausiating.
An impeachment of Bush by the fanatical MARXIST and their flying monkies riedtard puglosi killerkennedy et al would amount to a COUP. Therefore it would give rise for ARMED CITIZENS to maintain that the elected president would remain in office.
The left has large urban inner city bastions of political power kept only by feeding them at the money trought of the middle class.
The WORKING middle of the road citizens have the logistical, finances,and arms to settle this growing threat that the present democratic party poses to this country.

God forbid we ever have to exercise this CONSTITUTIONAL power.
Its up to the left and their anarchist enablers to write the outcome.

Lefties think that Gitmo and the firing of 8 US attorneys is evidence of criminal behaviour.

Lefties think that playing politics is criminal, when it comes to Republicans. Scooter Libby, anyone?

The right of a President to strip Americans from Habeas Corpus? The right of a President for warrentless searches? The right of a President to torture?

Mark, don't you think that the above talking points should be deleted from this blog, and the offender banned. Willemena has been doing this ever since he decided to pollute our blog, and it's getting old. No American has been stripped of Habeas Corpus: no warrentless(sic) searches have been conducted; and the President has not directed anybody tortured. I'm blue in the face repeating the facts to morons such as Willemena; it's time for him to leave us.

Bring em on!

Bring em on!

Why do you even bother, raker who's 13?

thanks NEWT 4 opening this door.

politically-motivated impeachment & trial weakens our federal govt, further contributes to voter cynicism, & is a colossal waste of taxpayer money.

thanks NEWT.

"Lefties think that Gitmo and the firing of 8 US attorneys is evidence of criminal behaviour.

Lefties think that playing politics is criminal, when it comes to Republicans. Scooter Libby, anyone?"

Keefer,

Ah the old "criminalizing politics" talking point. Playing politics is fine, as long as you don't break criminal laws when you do it. Libby was convicted of crimes written in the federal code, which he had performed as he was playing politics. Don't get the two ideas confused.

While firing the U.S. Attorneys may not have been a crime, lying to Congress about the reasons for doing it is. But even aside from a criminal investigation, Congress has an oversight function over the Executive Branch. Gonzo's testimony this week proved that he had either been lying to Congress the first time around, or he had been completely inept as AG, allowing his subordinates to disobey his orders and implement the plan firing the 8 USAs. I doubt if the parties were reversed would you have any problem with Congress exercising this authority.

Gar Wood

Maybe, just maybe, you might listen to what Hagel is saying. Maybe you might see the logic he's trying to get across to you. Maybe you might see that he's really the only viable candidate the rethugs have in 08. Maybe by backing him and supporting him, (let's not forget he IS a rethuglican), the way you so blindly do to Bush, he may bend and meet you somewhere in the middle.

Maybe you would start to win over some of the fence sitters and start to hammer out real resolution to some of the world's problems.

Or, maybe you can stick your heads back in the hole, or your fingers in your ears and your thumb up your...

Yeah, Go ahead with Romney, McCain, Gulianni, yeah, that's the ticket.

By the way, we're no better off. Hillary? Obama? Edwards?

Hey, now here's the REAL DEAL (and shhhhh....he is going to run, and unite the United States of America. This IS GOING TO BE EXCITING)

The next President of the United States,

Al Gore.

yeah, baby.

raker,

I think you will get half your wish - the ability to vote for Gore on a national Presidential ticket in 2008...the other half you won't get; the part about Gore being sworn in as America's 44th President.

He is the choice of the kook left, that is certain...he is still being coy about it, but I expect he'll announce his candidacy this fall.

As for Hagel...he lacks the sense that God gave little, white mice vis a vis the War on Terrorism.

I want you to know, every time you call us the "kook left", you hurt my feelings...

"I would guess you have had little to no interaction with any Muslims in this country since 9/11.[..] I'm sure you justify that for whatever reason, but I would suggest talking to these people before you accuse them of inciting a civil war in this country." by: Gar Wood

Gar Wood,
Are you aware that 80% of the Muslim mosques in America are funded by Saudi Arabia and run by Saudi Wahhabi clerics? Islam teaches global domination by violent jihad. Just ask the Buddhists of Thailand. According to the US State Department, only 5% of Thailand's population are Muslim but these Muslims have been waging a 3 year jihad against the Thai Buddhists which have resulted in the shooting, beheading and burning to death of over 2100 people in Thailand since 2004.

Are you aware that 80% of the Muslim mosques in America are funded by Saudi Arabia and run by Saudi Wahhabi clerics? Islam teaches global domination by violent jihad.

Posted by: Freedom1 at April 21, 2007 07:14 PM

And yet, we have that image of Bush, strolling hand in hand with Crown Prince Abdullah. Why would Bush show such love toward a Saudi who does nothing to stop the 'Islamic teaching of global domination by violent jihad'? Bush would not put the safety of the American people ahead of his thirst for oil, would he?

Leave it to Canadian Observer to attack Bush when faced with the ominous fact that 80% of America's Muslim mosques are funded and run by Saudi Arabian Wahhabists. The US/Canadian border is extremely porous. It's very easy for these Muslim Wahhabists to travel to Canada, eh?

Freedom

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but so far Harper has kept his hand out of the hand of Prince Abdullah.

"Are you aware that 80% of the Muslim mosques in America are funded by Saudi Arabia and run by Saudi Wahhabi clerics?"

Freedom1,

If it is such a problem that 80% of American Muslim mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia, why do we continue to have such strong ties with the Saudi regime?

Mark stated that a civil war is possible between 1% of the population (crazy liberals and Muslims) and the rest of the country. I see no reason why your post about the funding of American mosques affects Mark's incredibly stupid statement about the possibility of civil war.

Gar Wood

"If it is such a problem that 80% of American Muslim mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia, why do we continue to have such strong ties with the Saudi regime?" -Gar Wood

It's as CO pointed out, above. It's the oil. We need to find alternative fuels, ASAP!

O-I-L, you kooks, O-I-L. And, like it or not, all politicians are to blame. Not just Republicans, not just DemocRATs--ALL...