So, could you start by stating why your examples are false? Or are ya gonna start "exposing lies" at a later undisclosed time?

Mark,
Bring it on my friend. Your blog motivates me and the rest of us kooks to match you punch for punch. We will not stop until the real truth prevails, not the spin B4B and Fox keep putting out. So in the meantime, keep up the good work. We are not going anywhere. By the way, congrats on the book. However, I'm not sure your going to open any eyes. The only people reading your book are going to be right wingers. I do wish you luck with sales, Your are dedicated to your cause, and deserve to be rewarded, although I am sure the money is not your primary focus.

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Eric,

This particular thread really isn't for debate...its a statement of fact for those who don't live in the leftwing's Alternate Universe...it is a call to action on the part of my fellow conservatives.

As I said, all of these are demonstrably false...but I'm not going to rehash here the past five years...mostly because there isn't a point...if you are, say, someone who really thinks the honorable men and women of our military and intelligence forces are torturing people in Gitmo, then there's really nothing to discuss.

Eric,

To expand just a bit - the claims made in the quotes are as valid as claims that a conspiracy killed Kennedy, or that UFOs have landed...they are that absurdly false...only a little less false than "the sky is orange"...

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Now I understand why my comments need to be moderated. Because I can post links which people can follow where the opposite story is told to this blog entry.

I didn't slander anyone. I quoted a journalist from before the war. Whether she was right or whether she was wrong in what she said, she directly contradicts Mark Noonan's World Economic Forum post in an inteview she gave prior to the actual invasion.

The original question I asked then, I will ask again. I can provide viable proof with links to other articles and media, that the comment Mark has made is itself an outright lie, and I call Mark out on what evidence he believes he has that both the World Economic Forum and the sources I quoted are - in his words - outright lies.

(Ed. Note: We don't allow slanders of US troops here on Blogs for Bush...even if the slander is a quote from some other person or source)

No Response - Post too absurd.

Whisper,

Already answered your demand with Eric...one thing we've learned here on Blogs for Bush is that facts and logic are wasted on those who really believe that President Bush is a wicked man...

(Ed. Note: We don't allow slanders of US troops here on Blogs for Bush...even if the slander is a quote from some other person or source)

Again, prove it was slanderous. (Ed. Note: Whatever..."fake but accurate" is what you need to pay attention to when you're holdind up the MSM as the arbiter of what is true).

You say you are interested in the truth. I have tried to post an alternative position. You have consistently censored it.

Do you want to investigate the truth, or do you just want to censor anyone with an alternative view in order to make sure your own voice is heard?

(Ed. Note: Get over yourself)

Mark,

You should just make out an "Answer Key" to the "Top Ten Leftist Lies about Iraq and the Bush Administration". Then when some moonbat brings up "Bush lied us into the Iraq War" (for example) for the umpteenth time, you can just refer the lunar monster to the appropriate answer post.

/I use the term "lunar monster" with affection. Sort of.
:P

(Ed. Note: Get over yourself)

Ah. So your answer to a serious question was simply to throw an insult.

You come out and say something is a lie.
You then refuse to justify calling somebody else a liar.
You then refuse to consider or publish any alternative perspective.
You then throw insults.

I've looked again at the original blog posting. Given that no attempt is made to justify slandering someone by saying they're lying when you have no proof (if you had proof, you'd have given it by now, if only to prove that you know what you're talking about and I don't) -

Who, sir, is the REAL liar here?

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Guys, this site is called Blogs for Bush. That should tell you it is a propaganda arm. The only reason I read this site is because it is only right wing site that publishes most of the dissenting opinions.

It is actually perfect for understanding the Republican Talking Points, and then finding an eloquent and enlightened person like Whisperwolf who proved the opposite with facts and links (when they are allowed). But I would think the B4B would allow every opinion and link because it challenges their viewpoint and forces them to make a better argument. Dissenting opinions would be more welcomed if truth was the ultimate goal, but we know coming in here it is not. Still, this right-wing sight allows more dissenting opinions than any other right-wing site, and that is why I keep coming back.

I don't care what the left says because they are traitors no doubt.I just fail to understand why GW won't fight back?Turning the other cheek is not working.He can get back his base by using that Pardon for Libby,our border agents,and defend our troops from these idiotic rules of engagement.I humbly ask the moderators to send a message to the White House asking them to fight.We will be there if they would just take the gloves off.....If we stay on course conservatives will get tired and discouraged and impeachment from the left will be moot.

Wow, are you saying the administration DIDN'T try to connect Iraq to 9/11??!

what would i do without you mark? thank god i have mark noonan around to tell me with proper partisan conviction all of the lies being spewed by the press these days.

"they're all lies dammit, lies every one of them!"

ah Mark, gotta love ya...

So you make an accusation that a set of specific statements that have been made are lies. Some one has the "audacity" to ask you to prove they are lies with - you know - actual facts.

Your response - no, um, this isn't for debate, you just have to accept it as true..

Others respond - and you or someone else deletes the comments of those who disagree with you...

Unfortunately for you Mark, the truth shall set us free. Why are you so afraid to provide actual evidence to back up your assertions?

Mark, the moonbats and leftist kooks are out in force today. I almost suspect you started this thread to see what kind of a group of crazies you could get together.

As for wolfies desire to see you re-enlist, maybe he should get up off his arse and go as well? And if you ever do, I will thank you again for the service you have given to this nation.

i'm still waiting to hear from the left about the "lies" they were telling well beyond the years of the bush administration.

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/wmd.htm

To the dems- Bush won, kerry lost. Get over it.

Why are you so afraid to provide actual evidence to back up your assertions?

Because he can't--but he thinks that if he believes hard enough, it will become true. Besides, his truthiness is good enough for the peanut gallery here, and isn't that really the point?

At any rate, this is a guy who maintains to this day that we found WMDs in Iraq trying to lecture people who know better about how they are the ones in the alternate universe, not him. Just enjoy the unintentional comedy he's serving up.

Sigh...The kooks will believe anything that bolsters their agenda, including anything that indicts Bush or Cheney, even if proven false.

Mark, have you noticed that even when the facts are on the table, unlike Global Warming, the left questions them as if to say; "because you're conservative, we don't believe it", but when Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Leo or Babs, Gore or Kerry says it's so, they believe and it's considered gospel...Oh wait, kooks don't believe in religion, so I retract the word "gospel" and substitute with "goreolisizm". There, that should satisfy the kook left.

Each statement that Mark posted is a lie. The leftist loons, however, drink the koolaid that spwans those lies, as we can see from the above posts. BDS folks.

Lefties,

If I were to put out the evidence, you'd just ignore it...you see, we've been over all of those lies over the years and in each instance you have proven impervious to facts and logic. I'm just not going to spend time rehashing. What I did on this thread is bring together a string of lies (which aren't even close to the full number of leftwing lies about Bush and the war) to demonstrate to people of wisdom just what we're up against.

Seesthroughyourass

There's as much evidence to prove that the WMD's were in Iraq prior to the invaision as there is to support GW, so get off it.

There hasn't been one conservative here that hasn't said the GW doesn't exist to a certain degree or that the WMD's weren't present upon invaision, however, I haven't heard one of you pukes admit that they could have been there prior to or that GW could be a myth. What lying, hypocritical looooosers!!! This is why the kook left is losing credibility with voters and almost every Dem candidate is moving towards the center...phony baloney...pukes!

Here's a response to the Chrissy Matthews lie about 9/11 ("...it was a very aggressive campaign to connect 9/11 to Iraq."):

On September 17, 2003, in response to a question from a reporter, President Bush said: “No, we’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11.”

...wow, that's aggressive.

On September 17, 2003

Let me see. Is this BEFORE or AFTER the invasion?

sorry Mark. Not buying it for a second. I will read your evidence very carefully. Present it..

Too bad. No ones listening anymore. It's really rather sad to watch. How far Bush and his supporters have fallen since you've fallen since Nov 2004? Impeachment is a real possibility.

So what you are saying is there is not a shred of truth in any of these statements you list AND that the current administration in Washignton has been forthright with the American people in regard to the run-up to this war in Iraw, the war itself and this current phase the debate on how to end it? As an outsider with no horse in the politcal who is right and who is wrong battle royal I find it difficult to accept such an argument any more than I could reasonably understand Blair's decision to go into this maelstrom with Bush.

The war has gone wrong not because people demostrated against it from the outset, or that the Democratic Party won the last round of elections but that the drafters of this incursion "planned for the best" and did not listen to anyone who had input that deviated from the "rosiest case scenario."

Quite a bit of this went on in the Johnson and Nixon adminstrations as well. I know Americans find it very hard to admit when they are wrong, but in this case, the case of the Iraq war you are horribly wrong. Another classic example of shooting at the wrong usual suspect had America really wished to lash out at the "root of terrorists and their supporters in the Arab world" they would have invaded Saudi Arabia.

We will be examining in detail the veracity or falsehood of those statements in our own space in the coming hours.

Qu'ul cuda praedex nihil!

"Impeachment is a real possibility."

So is sticking a broom up your ars to sweep the floor JAT, but would you do...no! Well maybe you kooks would, but that's not the point because of one thing 2008...political power.

I can name at least 20 Dem senators that would denounce impeachment for that one shot of winning thew WH in 08'.

See, it does come down to power doesn't it.

Elitist cowardess asses!

While there are many lies and accusations from both sides some of the above can be proven. While I do not know how many journalists have been killed by coallition troops in Iraq, there has been at least one "unlawful" killing of a journalist - Terry Lloyd was shot by US troops and after watching the video evidence and completing the post mortem the coroner came to the verdict that he was unlawfully killed and charges should be brought against the troops involved. You can find info of this at the BBC, Guardian and I think probably all the other UK papers as well.

As for the WMD's again I have no idea what you were told in America but we were told in the UK that Saddam had WMD's that could be deployed in 45 mins, Blair himself has said that this was untrue. This was the first and major reason we were told we were going to war when it was seen that the public were very divided on this issue then we were told of the humanitarian issue, however primarily were lead to believe that WMD's were the real reason for going to war.

If I were to put out the evidence, you'd just ignore it...you see, we've been over all of those lies over the years and in each instance you have proven impervious to facts and logic. I'm just not going to spend time rehashing.

My sentiments exactly. Even when you prove these kooks wrong, they insist that they're right. I mean, just look at Joe the Liar Wilson, still insisting that Cheney sent him to Niger to sip tea.

Good job, Mark--you brought 'em all out.

When Bush said, and I paraphrase, "After 9/11, I wasn't going to let a gathering threat develop," the left interprted this as the administration saying that Saddam had a hand in 9/11. How weak. Yet, they still say it, even in the DBM.

It's no use trying to reason with these lobotomized parrots; they've all OD'd on the kool-aid...

weefee,

Thanks for the view from across the pond!

We were told the same, however, many of us that worked for certain divisions of our energy or defense departments have known, seen and witnessed Saddam's use and technology that certainly posed a threat, not just to America, but to all, and if given a chance, maybe not Saddam because who knows now, but his ruthless kids would have lit one off if they knew it would have been traced to someone other than them. This I know for fact as do many of my counterparts from the past.

Now, the main problem with the present condition of the war is what we call the "Monday Morning Quarterback" syndrome that the Democrat party is afflicted with. They were were right there next to our President pre-invaision and as soon, and I mean no more than a day went by when the war satrted to go sour, the Democrats began their quest to de-thrown (I figured you'd like that term) President Bush and his administration.

This is the major cause of division in this country.

"It's no use trying to reason with these lobotomized parrots; they've all OD'd on the kool-aid..." No Sh*t!!

Man..I can't believe how many kooks have come out of the woodwork lately!

There's a few that show some signs of reason, but not many. I think Rico and Neo are about the only two these days and the others are stuck in a conspiracy world.

The good aspect of them posting is that it keeps me awake with higher blood pressure and I tend to work faster too.

Navydad,

You just don't get it. It's over. No one is listening. Bush doesnt have a compliant Congress to deal with anymore. Hearings are going to be held, like it or not. Whatever, you and yours wish to make of the evidence presented makes no difference. It's not going to look good. Hope your son is ok by the time it's all over.

JAT

You're really only fooling yourself. We're still fighting the WOT and will be for decades to come. Who knows, we may even get UBL someday and then you kooks can say the WOT is over.

BTW, my son is fine and this argument has nothing to do with him...he did his nine years, and proudlly I might add. Military Excellence Award in boot camp and finished up highly decorated as a Rescue Swimmer.
One tough sob that would easily kick both our asses.

kblack,

No, you won't - but if you want just do a search on NRO about Joe Wilson and that will present to you all the facts of the case...and they will not convince you, at least not at this point.

Some day, in the future, I do hope that you on the left will awaken to what a horrible thing you have participated in...

i have - and found no proof of your statements - if you have it produce it. Why are you afraid?

Mark,

I think that you're lying by claiming that the above quotes are lies. Why do I think that? I could tell you, but you probably wouldn't listen anyways. Ugh, fine, if you want to know, just look it up on the internet. Cue my partisan buddies to call you an idiot and a kool-aid drinker for challenging my wholly unsubstantiated statement.

Gar Wood

There hasn't been one conservative here that hasn't said the WMD's weren't present upon invaision

Sure there is. His name is Mark Noonan, he adamantly declares that we found WMDs in Iraq (when even his hero Bush doesn't make that claim), and he's a joke. Yet you actually buy his claptrap. Hmm....

Navydad,

I got the impression from other posts that your son or some member of your immediate family was currently serving. In any case, when I said I hope your son was well, aside from a general wish for all our troops to come home safely, I would hope that he would recieve no injuries that would neccessitate his long term care in any portion of the VA system that has fallen into disrepair, or beuraucratic indifference.
However much you may support Bush, I think even you would have to agree that administration supervision of the VA hospital system has been at best lax. Further, Bush indifference to the VA hospital system in the context of his painting himself as a superpatriot always supporting the troops, looks, at best, ridiculous. At worst,
it makes him look like callous manipulator of people who are useful to him so long as they can serve, only to be cast off, when, as a result of their service, they are of no more use to him.
When I said that you don't get it, I meant that he doesn't have a ruber stamp congress to hide such things as the VA hospital system defeciencies anymore. Though made public in Salon magazine in 2005, the majority in Congress was unwilling to call any administration figures into account for any malfeasance, no matter how brazen or public. That, of course, has now changed.
Hearings will be held, publicly. Not that the democrats are any better than the republicans they replaced. What they are not is responspible for what has happened and continues to happen in Iraq. It's not going to be pretty.
As far as kicking behinds, what you also don't understand is that not Americans that need kicking or convincing. It's the Iraqis!! Its their country. They are going to have find solutions for themselves.
As General Patreus, you know, the new commander of American forces in Iraq, said that while force can be used to bolster security, we will have to be willing to talk to any insurgent group or their reps willing to talk to us, because there is no strictly military solution to Iraqs problems.
The Baker commission couldn't have said it any better. Most Americans believe Bush doesn't understand that. Its not that the American public doesn't support the troops, it's that they don't believe Bush is able to lead them.
Look forward to your response.

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I just thought that some people needed reminding... I, however, would like to see evidence that these lies are, in fact, untrue, particularly the ones from Amnesty International and MSNBC.