It's not Iraq that's the failure. The Bush Administration is the failure.

They failed to justify, prepare for and execute the invasion.

In the wake of their failure they have left chaos, death and destruction. In the absence of planning they have left a country spiralling into a civila war.

Bush = Failure.

As much as 1 = 1.

Wade

It should not have to take the 06 defeat to get the President off his duff to win this thing.

george bush - feeble-minded, incompetent, war-monger who never exercised any basic understanding of the regional geopolitical complexities before rushing in to invade a country that had nothing to do with osama bin laden (likely to make up for his lifelong insecurity borne out of successive failure) and now he QUOTES the guy? in a major speech?

For our country, this is a nightmare scenario. For the enemy, it's their plan. They're not debating whether the war in Iraq is worth it. Hear the words of bin Laden, in a message to the American people just last year. He says of Iraq: "The war is for you or for us to win. If we win it, it means your defeat and disgrace forever." In the face of such a determined enemy, the idea of pulling back from the fight and hoping for the best is not a reasonable position.

you're damn right chimpy-boy, we are in a nightmare scenario and we have nobody else to thank but you (is it too late to be greeted as liberators?).

I think what most independents and rationally-minded individuals are most struck by these days are why a small percentage of the populace still want to hitch their cart to this ass and ride it off the cliff? there is something perfectly telling about embracing mediocrity and failure.

"we are in a nightmare scenario and we have nobody else to thank but you"-Con.

You should know better than to imply that Iraq was a metropolis before we invaded.(That myth has been busted many times on this sight) I guess you really do support terrists don't you?

As shown above, the left is heavily invested in defeat in Iraq. Any Victory invalidates them and their cohorts, Islamo-terrorists.

As Bush said early on, this is a new kind of war and as in all wars, tactics must change as our enemies do.

To the left, anything better than defeat is a horrible thought. Their BDS mandates a total defeat, thinking they are only painting Bush incompetent, while they are opening America to Islamo-terrorist domination.

What is so telling is not one leftist ever gives any ideas or mentions to Victory, only spewing hatred of Bush and America in general.

nice try lew - not going to work anymore. laying the blame on the doorstep of those who would disagree with your blind fealty to this administration (that thinks itself royalty) just ain't gonna cut it. times have changed, light is shining in, people are no longer scared to speak out and denounce failure. your own hopeless idea of victory may only come at the greatest cost to this country in terms of man and women killed and billions of dollars wasted. but it's nice to know you think you are so brave, calling for victory (whatever the hell that means - god knows you guys have moved the goal posts so many times i don't think you could even define the word) while others have to do the heavy lifting. kind of reminds me of all those people who drive around with that yellow sticker on their car - as if it is some badge of participation in the war effort - no real sacrifice - what a joke. all you people do is cheer for greater escalation - at the expense of more wasted (yeah - WASTED) lives and money.

george bush will go down in history as having ordered the greatest strategic blunder in american history. don't even get me started on that incompetent, lying, son-of-a-b*tch.

don't even get me started on that incompetent, lying, son-of-a-b*tch.

Posted by: conscriptor at March 7, 2007 10:46 AM

You have a problem with Clinton too? At least you're not partisan.

(whatever the hell that means - god knows you guys have moved the goal posts so many times i don't think you could even define the word)-Posted by: conscriptor at March 7, 2007 10:46 AM
-You're like argueing with a 3 year-old, havent been over the whole victory thing a bazillion times already? And the whole wasted money/lives bit? Does it hurt your brain to repeat so many hopeless left lines?

you bet i do - if it were not for his malfeasance - we would not be sitting here talking about bush. i blame clinton not only for his actions but also for having put bush in office.

ha - and i'm not even a democrat!

zach - it hurts immensely. i had to buy those lines from 'the daily' show at a pretty penny.

zach - it hurts immensely. i had to buy those lines from 'the daily' show at a pretty penny.

Posted by: conscriptor at March 7, 2007 11:11 AM

Thats funny.

Using Wade's logic:

Wade = Bush

Con & crapster, you guyths thound thoo tough!

"those who would disagree" you mean the hundreds of thousands that turn out for the anti-America war rallies....NOT!

Get a life loosers!

I mean Con!

i always knew you had it in you navy - you and jeff gannon that is.

For all the rhetoric of the defeatist left, no matter what they say, they prove my point by not ever mentioning victory or win.

All they know is cut and run. If they succeed and when we get hit with the next terrorist attack, they will just blame Bush for not doing enough.

Pitiful little people, the left.

problem is, lew - no one seems to know for sure what "win" and "victory" mean anymore.

Very good Con, although I was referring to the brother in Fifty First Dates.

"om not ducin"

problem is, lew - no one seems to know for sure what "win" and "victory" mean anymore.

Please explain what the words mean to the left. Supply us with the lefts plan for victory, how they propose winning this war against terror.

I'll wait.

Bush: "America did not drive al Qaeda out of their safe haven in Afghanistan only to let them set up a shop in a free Iraq."

One of these days he's going to have to come to grips with the fact that al Qaeda already has a safe haven -- in Pakistan.

problem is, lew - no one seems to know for sure what "win" and "victory" mean anymore.

You're right, Conscriptor. Losing is a lot easier to define. Must be why it fits into the strategy of the left so well. Liberalism is, afterall, a gutless ideology.