Those are some ridiculus comments by Ms Amanda

However she was fired so she's about as relevant as Michael Brown is to current Fema management

neo - was she fired? I thought she quit.

my bad they both resigned

I thought so. So Edwards never REALLY distanced himself from the anti-Catholic crap they were publishing. And now, this. I wonder if he would have fired her for this new idiocy?

Oh well. Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. I'm kind of afraid of Edwards now. I don't think he had, or has much chance of getting the Dem nomination - but who can tell?

I don't think Edwards has much chance of the dem nomination. He's been campaigning for almost 4 years now and nobody but the extreme libs are taking him seriously

What a fine example of total narcissistic drivel. Christ I pity the fool who ends up with this self absorbed man hater.

Wow Mark, why do you hate abortion lovers? We liberals just love ripping those pesky little fetuses out of our wombs, why do you have a problem with that? You know we love abortion because it kills babies and allows us life haters to have sex whenever and with whomever we want. Why do you have a problem with that?
I'm only for people who have abortions and wouldn't put my dick into any woman that hadn't had at least 3 abortions.

You sound as ridiculous as what I just wrote here.
If you dont like abortions than teach your children your believes and preach about it in your church. Pray to God that unwanted pregnancies end up at the church steps instead of the abortion clinics. Will you allow taxes to be raised in order to pay for the up bringing of all these illegitimate children you claim to love so much?

neo,

Well, she's still relevant - her existence and the fact that Edwards flubbed first in hiring her then in not immediately firing her ensures that he can't ever be elected President...heck, if he were to get the Donk nomination, he might not even carry New Jersey and Pennsylvania...practising Catholics are mighty displeased with Edwards. But that wasn't why I posted this.

I wanted it to highlight the evil which is abortion - and how the defense of it can lead to the most depraved positions imaginable.

Lomstradamous,

I don't hate anyone - my Lord commands me not to, and so I don't. I forgive without reservation all of those who offend and I pray that all forgive me my transgressions. Yeah, even someone like bin Laden - if he is still alive, I hope he is reconciled with God and attains the life of the world to come...where, hopefully, both of us will understand everything.

You see, it isn't the aborted babies who are in the worst shape - it is the women who have the abortions, the people who perform the abortions and, of course, the society who allows people to do these things. It is a matter of perfect indifference whether you are of the "hate it but allow it" dodge, or go with Marcotte in the nauseating assertion that abortion is a good thing - no matter how you slice it, when you have, perform or advocate for abortion you are participating in a terrible evil - you are calling human life a problem; you are saying that some human life is worthless; you are saying that death is as good as life; you are saying that having children is less important than mere convenience...you are saying this, and a score of other moral depravities.

A pregnancy is for 9 months - an abortion is forever...as has been pointed out, abortion is the permanent solution to a temporary issue.

And you can leave off the allusions to pro-lifers who don't pony up for the babies...pro-lifers pour out vast sums of money and expend vast amounts of time providing help for pregnant women - as well as help for the women after the baby is born. We'll pay whatever price is necessary...and if cold money is your concern, we'll trade you a ten percent tax increase for a ban on abortion.

*Chuckles*

That's some pretty extreme words from this lady.

I don't see how anyone can claim an abortion doctor as heroic. How heroic is it to kill a fetus, or if you want to go so far as to say "remove a cluster of cells."

Pure Evil...

just putting those words on your website dirties up my screen.

teach your children your believes and preach about it in your church.

If only it were that simple. Perhaps it would be without the liberal agenda being indoctrinated onto young girls minds in public schools and the push to even allow schools to bypass parents often.

Pray to God that unwanted pregnancies end up at the church steps instead of the abortion clinics.

Hmmmm. If were allowed to raise our children (mine are already grown) without the indoctrination and anything goes attaitude pushed of on them by the left, maybe unwanted pregnancies would be a lot more rare. What with the left's constant "put condoms in schools, the kids are going to do it anyways" attitude, unwanted preganancies will continue to thrive.

Will you allow taxes to be raised in order to pay for the up bringing of all these illegitimate children you claim to love so much?

I'd much rather pay taxes to raise adopted children in secure homes than to pay them to rip and suck babies out of the womb. Then again, is the left and CPS groups willing to allow worthy people to adopt children without all the hassles associated with it today?

Lew and Longstradamus,

I remember back in the early 70's, one of the pro-abortion arguments being basically, "if we don't allow abortion, we will be up to our noses in illegitimate children." Yet, since Roe v. Wade, illegitimate childbirth has dramatically increased. Neither of these has been a brake on the other.

is the left and CPS groups willing to allow worthy people to adopt children without all the hassles associated with it today?

If the supporters of abortion rights really want to show that they are pro-choice and not pro-abortion, let them work to get reduce the hassles of adoption. Can anyone show us where Planned Parenthood, NARAL, etc. have worked to reduce the hassles associated with adoption?

On the other hand, the Catholic Church has tried to help couples adopt. Too bad we only found this out when they decided to stop doing this in Massachusetts, which required adoption agencies to include gay couples, and thus would have forced the Catholic Church to violate its own beliefs.

Usually a hero is somebody who fights against evil.... So I guess her argument is that those babies are evil, not innocent, and deserve death. They deserve to get ripped up limb by limb.

2 days ago I felt my baby girl kick for the first time. (at 20 weeks) It was awesome. And now, if I want to feel her kick me I either read to her, or hive my wifes belly a little nudge. This tends to "wake up" the baby, and she will start kicking. If this isnt alive, I dont know what is. Not to mention, the baby that was born at 21 weeks a few days ago and is doing fine...

I mean... What a bunch of worthless cells. I hope a hero comes in and rips it apart and throws it away.

overturn roe & abortion reverts to a states' rights issue. some will some won't. extremists on both sides won't change that outcome.

speaking 4 myself, I expect public policy consistency in the 3 death issues: abortion, capital punishment, & assisted suicide.

I also expect political cowardice & kowtowing.

moralizers must concede original sin removes innocence.

slippery slope is an age-old & predictable response wherein would-be sooth-sayers rorschach ink blot their future vision. what'd u say the next winning lottery # was again?

dr kevorkian assisted lucid (& terminal) adults who made their own decisions. hopelessly deadlocked if I was on that jury.

Woops.. I made it sound like my baby was born at 21 weeks. I was referring to the one in the news, not mine.

Mark noonan,

If you don't hate people, why do you call them cowards, as you did in your main post?

I'm not sure I'd use the word "heroic," but we are talking about doctors performing a medical procedure, knowing other who have done he same thing have been killed, and no doubt aware there are some who will shun them, insult them, etc. It's not exactly something you get a medal for, but it takes some degree of courage.

Women die in childbirth, but we don't want them to decide whether or not they assume that risk. Why can't we force people to donate blood or bone marrow? Those procedures involve some pain, but significantly less risk, and increasing the supplies of bone marrow and blood available could save lives. Once you reject the idea that a person's control over their body is absolute, I don't see how this isn't a logical next step. Make it mandatory, and people live.

"she's done something wrong, knows it, but has walked so far down the road of self-justification that she's now convinced herself - or at least wants us to believe she's convinced herself - that having an abortion is a positive moral good. This is one of the saddest things I've ever read in my life."

Sounds like a Bush supporter. So wedded to the failure of his presidency that they will find any excuse to justify his actions.

God killed how many babies and pregnant women back in the day (read the bible). Get off the hobby horse of your own personal morality and stop trying to inject it into the lives of other people. Counsel them, tell them you think it's wrong and why. Don't legislate your god into our laws.

In any event, legislating your position would just drive it underground and result in more needless deaths and suffering. You won't stop it. You can't stop it. May as well make it a taxable activity instead of making it another part of the endlessly stupid list of wars on 'whatever' which only serve to fill up jails and the coffers of those who own the jails. Tax it and use the money for better and more comprehensive sex education (and not the bogus abstinence campaigns). Comprehensive sex education actually does bring down the levels of teenage sexual activity, unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

Mark,

When you say:

"you are participating in a terrible evil - you are calling human life a problem; you are saying that some human life is worthless; you are saying that death is as good as life;"

What exactly is your point?
Some human life is worthless and we must snuff it out. Would you rather a pregnant terrorist get an abortion, or deliver a bouncing baby Saddam Jr.
Now is not a time to go weak in the knees.
Stay strong my neocon brother, stay strong.

That's some pretty extreme words from this lady.

Gozer, she's like that all the time--I used to troll Pandagon a long time ago, when she was a guest blogger. The blog was run by some dude named Jesse, and I think another guy named Ezra Klein. Then along came Big Amanda, and the blog became feminized. I got banned, but recently went back and checked it out, and was able to post. However, the blog wasn't the same, and a lot of the clientele(sp?) had moved on, so I left. I'm not into trolling anymore, having seen, on this blog, how stupid trolls can be.

She's a piece of work, alright...

Giuliani supports legalized abortion-on-demand

Fortunately, most women have avoided the psuedo-feminist malarky such as that spouted by Amanda. I'm a real feminist--I think women can do most of the things men do, having grown up on a farm and with women who birthed babies, drove tractors, weeded gardens, killed chickens and then cooked them, and in general proved that women are strong, competent, and capable of darned near anything. My role models cleaned up real nice on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but could fix a carburator or a flat tire, shoot straight, and work side by side with their men. They were girly and feminine and sexy and smelled good, but they didn't take any crap off anyone.

The phony-baloney "feminist" movement of the 60's and 70's kind of caught my eye, after being told I should limit my goals once I got into college, but I found them to be stalking horses for silly, wak, vapid, selfish, self-indulgent, man-hating, creatures who were looking for validation for some pretty unsavory positions. Sure, if women wanted to emulate some men and indulge in sex purely as a form of recreation, they should be able to---but the addition of the caveat that they should bear absolutely no responsibility for doing so struck me as stupid. And the shrill simpleminded rhetoric of the "feminists" was like fingernails on a blackboard.

(When they turned their backs on every single claim they had ever espoused, and savaged the women who accused Clinton of Clintonizing, they---and the Democrat Party---lost me for good. It took them about six seconds to toss out every philosophical position they had ever supported, once it, or they, conflicted with their political goals, and their posturing became transparently hypocritical.)

I find it interesting that even Amanda needs to try to find a "morality" in her position. This tells me that she knows, deep down, somewhere in that shallow, self-centered, and ignorant brain, that morality is important. She is way off base in thinking she can redefine it to meet her pathetic level of personal or social or moral responsibility, but at least the concept is rattling around in there somewhere.

I love Amanda. I think we should post her "thoughts" more often. I can't think of a better way to illustrate the shallowness of the uber-Liberal mindset, and the lack of honesty and decency in arguments such as these. I'd almost have more respect for her if she would come right out and say "I know it's a person, but I don't care, because it's all about me, and nothing else matters". But this puerile claim that killing an innocent unborn child, created by Amanda's own self-indulgent actions, is really an act of moral courage is just what we need to show the true colors of the pro-abortionist crowd.

mike,

And your point is?

mike h,

No human life is worthless - it is all valuable...more valuable than anything else on earth.

Congrats Almiranta, that was as well put as anything I've read. The idiot libs want to be able to "do their thing" and make a baby pay for the consequences of their actions with no inconvenient moral judgments to upset them. You know, cause they care.

They throw out their false morality that young men who volunteer are paying for Bush's mistake yet with a smug self righteous attitude have no problem making a baby pay for a choice that they made. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Women who get abortions should be recognized as people who can accurately weigh their choices and make the most moral one.

This is a CLASSIC arguement. We can't judge anyone who THOUGHT about what they wanted to do...instead we should respect them for making a choice. 100% cop-out. It's not the simple fact that you made a choice we should respect; it's the logic (if there is any) behind it. A good percentage of women who have abortions do it because they figure it's an easier choice than pregnancy and giving birth, putting that baby up for adoption or raising him/her. Few consider the lifelong implications.

Mark,

If you feel that abortion is so evil (and I'm against it also) how do you feel about Bush's effort to stop or diminish it.

Personally I'm pretty pissed off at the man - he's done nothing but make token efforts and give lip service to a pro-life agenda

Check a previous post--President Bush has done nothing in six years to stop abortion. Almost all of the Supreme Court has been nominated by Republicans and five of the last seven Presidents were Reps but Roe vs Wade is now 34 years old. From 2002 to 2006 the Republican Party controlled every branch of the Federal government and nothing was done. And in 2006 a referendum was put on the ballot in South Dakota to outlaw abortion and it got defeated.

Abortion is nothing to the GOP but a way to get religious conservatives out to the polls to vote Republican. You'd think after 34 years they would learn they're being played for chumps.