I love how everybody who tries to offer some view that isn't in lockstep to exactly how this administration wants you to think is from the "left" -- man, you'll be cutting out your left eye and spitting on the Declaration of Independence just as long as Fox News gets you riled up and then tells you to. Then they'll convince you your right eye is left and tell you to cut that one out too.

Oops, they already have.

The Left obviously has no clue what a dictatorship is. Scary and dead-on-accurate song about Islamic dictatorship (aka what President Bush is protecting the West from.): "It's in the Koran"

What does Fox News have to do with Alito?? LOL

"In the history of the nation, there has never been a political party so ridiculous as today's Democrats. It's as if all the brain-damaged people in America got together and formed a voting bloc." --Ann Coulter

TJ,
You are proof positive Karl Rove's secret plan is working. Your sounding a little depressed. Try a little St. Johns Wort and a colon cleanse to help alleviate your BDS.

I haven't heard anything in the news about the "Gang of 14" in this dem Alito filibuster bluster. Where is the news coverage of this group? Did the Insane Dem Clown Posse get approval for a filibuster from the G o' 14? Hmmm...inquiring minds want to know.

SV,

You're quoting Ann Coulter?! Now I know you've really been duped.

In order to understand this filibuster, start start by accepting the premise that there will be no negative consequences for trying, and much to be gained by the attempt. Those in favor of Alito will vote for him and those against will not. IF the wobbly senate fails to vote closure, it is a BIG WIN for the ideologues. If the majority stands firm (A GREAT BIG IF, GIVEN THEIR HISTORY!!!), the ideologues claim they stand on principle and are loved by the base.
Recent history gives a big clue to the outcome: agreements mean nothing. The minority may agree to an 'up or down' vote and then renege, catching the majority off guard. When opponents are fairly evenly matched, the swing of just a few votes changes the outcome. The Democrats realize this and stand firm, giving them an inordinate amount of power as a minority. They appeal to Republican 'moderates' to break with their party, and have been successful in the past.
Al Queada knows that when one is weak they offer truce and compromise until they are ready to attack. There are some members of congress who take the same approach.

...start by accepting the premise that there will be no negative consequences for trying, and much to be gained by the attempt.

That is the KosKidz meme...they are 0-18 in elections...19 if you count Gernmany....and 20 if you count Canada...Kos wins one if you count Hamas

Al Qaeda knows that when one is weak they offer truce and compromise until they are ready to attack. There are some members of congress who take the same approach.

Al Queada terrorist tactics = Progressive dem tactics...hmm, I like that.

This is a win/win for conservatives. If the dems filibuster, Frist brings in the cots for a non-stop debate and America gets to watch the destruction by stupidity of the dem party.

The 60 in 06' campaign looks better anytime JFnnK and the Swimmer team up to "protect America".

I'm reminded of the 1972 movie, "The Candidate", in which Robert Redford plays Bill McKay, a somewhat idealistic and naive young Senate candidate from California. In a conversation with an old Robert Byrd type pol, (I'm paraphrasing because it's been 34 years since I saw the movie.) the old pol says to McKay, "this isn't about the TRUTH, son, this is about POWER".

Washington is and always has been, first and foremost, about POWER. Those that have it want to keep it, and those who had it but don't anymore, want to get it back. Unfortunately the truth and what's right often get lost in the shuffle.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out on Monday and Tuesday. As I said in a thread yesterday, I really don't see how the Dems come out of this a winner, no matter what they do, but, in the end, it all comes down to whether or not 51 Senators have the stones to do what's right.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who occasionally forgets to turn off an html tag

The Left will purge the rightwing: Byrd, Nelson of Nabraska, Conrad, Johnson, from the Party. If they like they may join the corrupt Republican Party. Peace

Steve,

Nelson, Conrad, Johnson will be accepted with open arms...You dems can keep the Klansman, he's a perfect fit for your dem party history. Peace through superior fire power.

I wish I could be confident that "Fisk will bring in the cots..." - but the recent history of this senate shakes my confidence. 59 senators may follow their Constitutional obligations, but when the minority stands as a unified block, it takes only a few defectors to prevent a the will of the people.
If Fisk is unable to hold the Majority, including McCain and others who play to the media, the MSM will bombard the otherwise apathetic public with propaganda about an abuse of power, and weak Republicans will crumble once again.
When I mentioned no consequences, perhaps I should have emphasized for the Republican wimps who abandon their constituents for some face time with the media. I fear those Senators who now indicate they will vote for Alito, may succumb to pressure (and political promises) and change their mind at the moment they cast a vote.

*Shrugs*

So far they're doing exactly what I predicted a few weeks ago. Party line out of the Comitee, threaten the Filabuster, and now we're at the big day. Originally I said they'd back down but as of today I'm a bit iffy but I'll stay by that original prediction. It makes things fun. ;)

So, I'll see them talk and talk about filabustering but at the end just going for a vote. That's my guess.

How rich. TJ admonishes us for calling anyone who disagrees with Republicans the horrible and awful name:leftist. By extension I suppose he also would admonish us for calling the time of day when the sun moves above the horizon dawn. But that is 'Rat thinking for you.

Then to add hypocrisy to this farce, further down the page Steve (who by the way is another leftist and I hope he doesn't mind being called that) says that the 'Rats must purge the 'Rat senators that will vote for Alito.

I just love how hypocritical those as*es are.

Typical 'Rat imbecile: "Unlike the GOP, we are the party that supports womens' rights"

Same 'Rat imbecile 5 mins later: "We should not be in Afghanistan (where we are giving women back the right to things like, oh, School, work, voting, holding elected office, etc...) acting like imperialists.

Get a grip you friggin '60s hippy wannabe's. It didn't work then and it certainly won't work this time around.

President Bush has been successful every time the opposition underestimated him. The MSM may be trying to turn the tables on him now. The early reports that the nomination of Justice Alito would get an up or down vote was designed to make the opposition look reasonable to the general public. Now a maverick or two raises the possibility of a filibuster, and the MSM sings his praises. When it comes to the moment of voting, the lock step Dem's and a few 'moderate' republicans can shock the world with their stand on principle.
I know the voters on my state will return Hillery and Chuck to the Senate, no matter how they vote. They know they can play to their base without any political risk at the local level.

Evil Italics :|

Let's hope this works!

If they like they may join the corrupt Republican Party.

Just because they don't support obstructionism, and choose to support a deservant nominee? You're such a freakin' idiot that responding to your stupidity makes me want to take a shower. Corrupt? Let me tell ya something, Steve peace of crap, the Culture of Corruption has about 535 members. If you give that some long, hard thought, or ask someone with more sense than youself, you'd understand what I'm saying. Judging by how stupid you actually are, finding someone with more sense should not be that hard for you, Stevie-peace-of-rubbish...

Hey I'm tired of fighting this stupidity. I say we Blue Staters get behind the neocons and help roll back all federal legislation. The Red states could make abortion illegal, roll back labor laws (so all the extra children could work in factories), ban teaching of evolution....what the heck get rid of ALL public education, drop all publicly funded health care, head start ect.......

Then us Blue states could use the people in the Red States for cheap labor instead of having to go all the way to China we could just take advantage of their massive unemployment. We could set up factories there and dump all our toxic waste and trash in the Red states with their lax environmental laws and all that. With the extra money the Blue states would have since they would no longer be subsidizing the red states we could put it into more world class universities, fund a single payer health care system, stem cell research, we'd have even more pristine national parks....our roads would be nice, our skies clean, with good access to health education and family planning our populations would stabilize,,, and heck instead of adopting kids all the way from China we could just go to the Blue states cause they'll have lots of extra babies needing homes.

Yeah Go Alito Go!!!! I'm a federalist now!

Gee, keefer, isn't it interesting that you are calling others stupid. Why do I sat this, you ask? Because the only thing that you can do when someone doesn't agree with you is insult them. Oh, and also take a High and Mighty attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong, deal with it, because there is no way in Hell that I'll ever be wrong." Unfortunately, this is an attitude that many Conservatives all too often take. You know, the babified and pathetic throwing around of the word "moonbat" and also such nice things as saying that anyone who even dares to question George W. Bush or wonder if there might be reasons that going to war was not in our best interest - the Conservatives spout constant, idyllic and ingrained phrases like "Liberals are Communists and Marxists." Apparantly anyone who is not conservative is a Socialist Commie pinko fag (hmmm, sound familiar, anyone from the 1960's?) I guees "pinko fag" is now equivalent to "moonbat."
Anyway, my point is this, is it truly intelligent, keefer, to call someone names when they disagree with you? Or is it a pastime that would be more at home on a GRADE-SCHOOL playground. GROW UP, people. There was another time in history when people who questioned the motives of the govenment were called names and ridiculed, and the phrase "America, like it or leave it, Commie Pinko Fags" was probably thrown around. Except the country was actually Germany, the year was 1939 or so, and the current person people were questioning was none other than Adolf Hitler. Hmmm, why are so many trying to do this same thing to our country? WHY CAN'T WE FIND COMMON GROUND INSTEAD OF INSULTING EACH OTHER??????!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's really not that complicated. The Democrats have been hoisted by their own cuteness. The gang of 14 is in the way now. From the beginning I said the gang of 14 was a Republican win -- It was simply Byrd's way of stopping the rule change, you use it, you lose it.

I think when a party goes into insanity, as today's Democrats have done, the rest of the country should just walk on by whistling.

Civil liberties are disappearing daily, the Constitution is being shredded, all this talk about the country-world ending, it is causing my head to hurt. It used to be funny, now it's just stupid.

Robert;

You've got to be joking. Learn some history. This tired rant that America is turning into Nazi Germany is stupid. For the record, in a police state, they don't tell you to shut up, you disappear; perhaps your bones are discovered in a mass grave at some later date. Frankly, for the most part, because of idiocy like the NG crap above, we don't want to get along with you. We want you to STFU and get out of our way so we can do what needs to be done.

Hmmm, Mel, you make my eaxact point. You are ARROGANT and basically do not care about anybody else unless share your own views. To question things that the government does and the state of the country IS AS AMERICAN AS YOU GET!!! If not, we never would have seperated from England. The Conservatives are constantly insulting Liberals and saying that they are "Communists" and the like. Maybe for some Liberals this is true, but for the vast majority of people who have voted Democrat, or questioned the war, etc, etc, they are just average Joes who would like to make a difference. You CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT change something for the better unless you question or doubt the current situation. That is all people are trying to do, to makes things better for EVERYONE. And the thannks they get is from people like you who spit on them and call them names and act High and Mighty. You do realize that many of the soldiers fighting in Iraq and other places are not all Conservatives. They are AMERICANS, and some may have Liberal views. Yet they are DYING to protect this country. I guess to people like you and the other "nice" Right-Wingers on here, those soldiers are worthless and you would like to see them die because they are "evil Liberals." Well, guess what, some of these "evil Liberals" might just save your ass someday,