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January 28, 2006
Clinton Supports Filibuster

Proving that she is, at bottom, a mere tool of the far left, Hillary Clinton has come out in favor of filibustering judge Alito:

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday announced she'll join potential 2008 presidential rival John Kerry in voting to filibuster against Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, just as top Democratic leaders predicted the effort is likely doomed.

With three Democratic senators pledging support for Alito, the New Jersey conservative seems virtually assured of being confirmed by the full Senate Monday or Tuesday, party leaders predicted Friday. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters in Washington that "everyone knows" Senate Democrats couldn't muster the 40 votes needed to support a last-ditch filibuster.

A quick check of Daily Kos, Democratic Underground and MoveOn shows that the leftwing base of the Democratic Party in on fire for a filibuster. This has become the cause of the moment for the left - and any Democratic with amibition will only cross the left at their peril. Hillary couldn't afford to end up to the right of John Kerry on this issue.

The question of the hour is: will this work? Will the left manage to corral 41 Democrats into supporting a filibuster? Or perhaps corral 40 Democrats plus, say, Lincoln Chaffee? I was thinking yesterday that it was 50/50...but now with Clinton on board, it is 70/30 in favor of a filibuster, in my view. Clinton is the triangulating Democrat - a person who is building her entire political future on the basis of her being the moderate able to reach across partisan lines...but she isn't a moderate, and her Party is enthralled to the far left, and the Alito fight is exposing it for all to see.

I think they're gonna do it...God be praised.

Posted by Mark Noonan at January 28, 2006 04:13 PM


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It's really quite amazing that the liberals sing nothing but praises for Justice O'Conner in one breath and then fervently rally for a filibuster in the next. Apparently they have no regard for her wish to retire nor for the health of her ailing husband for whom she wishes to spend more time with.

And they have the gall to call themselves "compassionate". Disgusting.

Posted by: KSgop at January 28, 2006 04:46 PM

This is me not shocked. There will be LOTS of talk of supporting or voting for a filabuster but in the end I think nothing will come of it. Here's seeing though.

Posted by: Gozer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 04:48 PM

So many things to do against America and so little time for Hillary to do them. hahaha

Posted by: Wild Thing at January 28, 2006 05:00 PM

I saw on the kos site that they have 15 Senators supporting the filabuster. I guess all I can say to that is, "You guys are doing such a GREAT job your not even half way there yet. Keep up the good work."

Posted by: Skinny Republican at January 28, 2006 05:14 PM

I agree with Gozer. This might be one of those things where nothing comes of it since they don't actually have the votes, but later in the year and especially for the '08 elections, these people can always say to the hard left that they "supported" or "encouraged" the filibuster of Alito. It can allow them to throw a pork chop at the crazy base chained to the wall but not look absolutely nutty to the rest of the country.

Posted by: Quintapalus [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 05:28 PM

Time for the "nuclear option"? Seeing how much moonbattery has been exhibited just on the filibuster, just think how much over the top it's going to be after the "nuclear option" is executed? I wonder how many Dems will lose in 2006 as a result.

Posted by: Carl at January 28, 2006 05:28 PM

I have a little concern. Them crazies over at Kos are really beating their drums. They scare me. They think the whole George Bush thing is a coup d’etat or something. They are not going to get the votes they need, are they? Will we have to do the nuclear thing, and will we have the votes? Tell me something to make me feel better.

Posted by: BC at January 28, 2006 05:45 PM

BC,

I think they will get the votes for a filibuster...and that will trigger the Constitutional option, which should sail through because only to the far left is Alito anything remotely like an unacceptable nominee.

In the end, this works entirely to our advantage as it will show up the Democrats as the tool of leftwing extremism that they are.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 05:59 PM

For even one second, have these dingbats ever considered doing anything constructive? So much time and money spent on nothing!

Posted by: windybon at January 28, 2006 06:03 PM

Take heed folks . . . you're watching the ultra left radicals of the Democratic party taking complete control of a once proud political organization. There’s only one way to deal with anything as destructive and vile as this and that is to meet it head on and match it blow for blow.

Posted by: Rplat at January 28, 2006 06:36 PM

Rplat,

That is how I view it...it is the very end of the Democratic Party.

In my view, it is questionable whether they will field a unified candidate in 2008...certainly, though, by 2012 there won't be a Democratic ticket running for the White House...there will be Republican, Socialist (or, perhaps, "Progressive") and some other Party taking the non-left remnants of the Democratic Party .

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 07:10 PM

"I think they're gonna do it...God be praised."

god? that's really freaky.

Posted by: shortz at January 28, 2006 07:23 PM

I think they will get the votes for a filibuster...

I'm gonna respectfully disagree, Mark, because oof the "gang of fourteen." However, you are the expert, and know these people a lot better than I. And it sure wouldn't break my heart if they succeeded so Frist could "pull the trigger."

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 07:31 PM

shortz,

You may use "gods" if "God" is too disconcerting for you...for whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad...meanwhile, I'll continue to praise God that we have such opponents...give me leftwing fanaticism to fight against every day and I'll be the happy warrior my whole life.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 07:41 PM

keefer,

So far, I'm the only one predicting it...but I've been on this track since our podcast last week.

They long ago tipped over the edge - they are so far 'round the bend they can't see it anymore. To them, a filibuster of Alito is not just an option, but a holy duty.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 07:43 PM

If ANYONE, had any doubts, about Hellery pandering
towards the middle, this latest action should tell
everyone who was buying into that "trash", that she is a sham. She is now, pandering to her "radical leftists" for a filibuster, (keeping
her fingers crossed, (wink, wink) that it won't really come to pass-BUT, SHE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY:
"I WAS ALL READY FOR THE FILIBUSTER, MY DEAR LEFTIST LOYALISTS"...this BROAD, will change her spots like a leopard in heat, to pander to ANY GROUP OF VOTERS,-LEFT, RADICAL LEFT, BLACK, WHITE,
JEWISH, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, INDEPENDENTS, GOPS,---ANYONE, ANYTIME ANYWHERE, BECAUSE SHE IS A 'LYING, PANDERING, "GET A VOTE AT ANY COST", AND SOMEONE WHO WANTS BACK INTO THE WHITEHOUSE,
FOR THE POWER/MONEY/AND HER INFLATED EGO...REMINDS YOU OF SLICK B.J. BILL, DON'T IT??

Posted by: Jo [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 07:56 PM

Slowing the Senate to a standstill in an election year is not a bad thing. Yes, for filibuster and yes, to the nuclear option. Peace

Posted by: steve at January 28, 2006 08:12 PM

god? that's really freaky

It's only freaky to freaks. Oh, it's shortz...never mind!

Mark, this whole business is just disconcerting to me--not because I'm afraid of the obstructionist tactics of these kooks, but because I find it shameful that Alito, and Roberts, didn't coast through this process with over 90 "Yes" votes on the Senate floor. The left is so obsessed with power, and the only power they have left is in Hollywood, in academia, and on the courts.

I hope our elected officials don't get amnesia when a donk-turd in the White House appoints a Supreme Court nominee...

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 08:15 PM

Judge Samuel Alito is an extraordinarily well-qualified justice and a decent man. The Democrats made his wife cry. If the Democrats filibuster Alito, they imperil their political futures with the American people.

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 08:51 PM

You have Feinstein, who backed off her pledge not to filibuster Alito, just because Cindy Moonbat threatened to run against her.

Think about that...An incumbent U.S. Senator who for all practical purposes, is a shoo-in for re-election in California (Unless the GOP finally get their act together), and she buckles under within a day because an anti-Semite like Sheehan threatens to run against her in a primary. Would people actually vote for someone who was so easily manipulated to go back on a solumn pledge, and can be so easily intimidated into changing her vote because some lunatic threatened to run against her?

If Republicans don't capitalize on this, they're crazy.

Posted by: Hermie [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 08:57 PM

Judge Alito is branded an extremist by Senators who have no idea of who he is, yet couldn't find the time to listen to the testimony of his fellow judges and ex-clerks, who knew him the best and all proclaim that he is worthy of the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Hermie [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 09:02 PM

My first preference would be for any fillibuster attempt to fail for lack of votes. However, if Senator Frist needs to pull the nuclear option, this would be the best time to do it, since the GOP is at its strongest. Then if Judge Stevens resigns, it will be that much easier to get Judge Rogers Brown or another good conservative through. I guess hillary can stop making believe now that she is "sympathetic" to the pro life position. Is there one dem who has a soul, or takes a stand for the sole reason that it is the right thing to do and then has the courage to stick to that position because it is the right thing to do. Or is this just not in the dem vocabulary.

Posted by: james allegro at January 28, 2006 09:18 PM

I don't agree with all the talk of demise of the democrat party. Sure the lefty loons have taken control and are trying to run them off of a cliff. But this is something that only small segment of the population is aware of.

Most americans are blissfully unaware of this, thanks to the MSM and the general apathy of the public.

To illustrate, last night we entertained a young man (about 30) who had a flat tire in front of our house. While waiting for a tow truck we invited him in for some tea and popovers.

We were watching the evening news (Fox) when discussion of the filibusters came up on TV. He turned to us and asked "what's a filibuster". he was completly unware of the broohaha going on in DC, as I suspect are most americans.

This is just one instance of several. I have made a point of asking people about recent political issues as well as the economy. Invariable most are clueless to the main issues, think that while they are doing well, they are worried about everyone else. The drum beat of the MSM has a mind numbing effect that has put the average american in a trance.

Try conducting a personal poll of everyday people that you meet but don't know. Its like a live version of the Jay Leno "Man on the Street". You will be amazed at the general lack of knowledge of current events. This is just the sort that either doesn't vote (thank God) or are swayed by emotion rather than fact. Its these that are the most dangerously susceptible to left wing propoganda.

If the public were interested and informed, November would be a blowout victory of the Republicans. As it stands, the MSM will still influence 15% of the voters to support the looney left.

And once again it will be close...but we shall prevail.


Posted by: phnxbmed at January 28, 2006 09:53 PM

To tell you the truth. This concerns me. The left's base is really fired up over this issue. I would not be shocked at all to see 41 dem senators cave into that pressure. The reason I'm concerned is that I don't believe that the Rep senators really have the will to invoke the "nuclear option".

My guess is that we will find out. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Dennis at January 28, 2006 10:00 PM

Perhaps this attempt at a filibuster is not aimed at a base that has nowhere else to go. The intended target is probably the largely apathetic public who form opinions based upon the MSM. Since the MSM had singlehandedly determined that Alito is an extremist, it follows that those in opposition are heroes. If the Constitutional option is exercised the MSM will declare them victims of the right wing.
Remember facts are immaterial when the MSM 'knows' the truth. They are not above forged documents, staged photos, and distortions to make their point. Unfortunately, there are many people who accept headlines, sound bites, and comedy routines as news. They are forming opinions that they will carry with them until election day in November.
It would be extremely foolish to dismiss this political calculation as not well thought out. It may be a bad choice, but they may expect to gain votes if they are not exposed as hypocrites. They wish to cloak themselves with the mantle of a hero for standing up to the majority.
Their actions must be seen as serious obstruction, a betrayal of their constitutional obligations (up or down vote) designed to prevent the nation from building consensus under the law. The MSM will not point this out. It will require a conscientious effort to get out the truth.

Posted by: omapian [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 10:10 PM

Of course there will not be anything remotely close to a filibuster. Listen to Harry Reid -- because he is the person who knows. He is clearly stating that they do not have the necessary votes to filibuster. Privately both he and Chuck Schumer (no moderates by any call) are upset that Kerry is doing this for what he perceives to be political gain.

Bottom line, Kerry things this new found affiliation with Kos & Co will pull him through the primaries (I guess he has forgotten the lessons of Dean); Hillary is being slammed by the left wing as well as conservatives -- and there is no way she is coming out on the right of Kerry.

Red state democrats with their office on the line this election are either voting for Alito (and thus for cloture) or at least for cloture.

Please everyone just sit back and watch the frivolity -- but do not become part of it.

No filibuster; a vote for cloture on Monday; Justice Alito is sworn in on Tuesday. That is exactly how this will play out.

Posted by: voter at January 29, 2006 12:08 AM

Hey guys-Mind if I ask what you all are smoking? Some kind of love-fest you've got going here, what with all the tolerance for opposing viewpoints and such. Its clear that panic has firmly set in on the RW. When I read how Mark is always predicting the demise of the Dems, I can only conclude neither he nor those who agree with him read/hear/see much current event news. Most of the "problems" I'm aware of are Republican-related, not Democratic. You guys are still a riot...

Posted by: Rob at January 29, 2006 12:40 AM

My thoughts is why not let the liberals get up there and really do a filibuster, and not let them get away with just the threat of one. Let them get up there on the TV and let them talk about recipes, Read a few Fairy tale books to their grandchildren, how wonderful the weather is in walla walla washington, all the while the country watches. With work to be done on Katrina, Patriotic act, SS, taxes it would be awesome to hammer them with it.

Posted by: VERO at January 29, 2006 12:49 AM

My thoughts is why not let the liberals get up there and really do a filibuster

Bill Frist is not a strong enough leader to let them just rattle on. Even if they Dems only have 15 idiots that want to filibuster, let's let them do it. That would indeed make for great TV.

Cspan would cover.

Posted by: Paul at January 29, 2006 12:57 AM

They are only saying they favor the filibuster because they know it won't happen.

It is all posturing. Kerry made the leap first because he wants to be seen as most loyal to the base. Hillary can't allow that so she jumped on board as well. A few of the lifetime lefties jump on board to make it look like a real threat. Don't fall for it.

The last thing they really want is for the filibuster to succeed. They just want to be able to say they did everything they could to stop Alito.

Kerry knew that the filibuster had no chance of succeeding before he announced he was for it. There is no down side to being the first to come out for it. He makes the base happy but doesn't piss off the main stream by actually obstructing the process.

Hillary probably wouldn't have come out for the filibuster if Kerry hadn't done it first. She just can't allow any serious contender to outflank her to the left.

What is amazing to me is that the die-hard libs actually believe that Kerry and Hillary really want the filibuster.

Can you imagine the campaign ads against them if they stood on the floor of the senate day after day making small talk while important legislation (like hurricane relief) was pushed aside?

If the fillibuster were really going to happen, Reid would have made sure the whole world knew it from day one, and, you can be certain there wouldn't have been four Dems openly backing Alito.

This game was over when the Dems on the judiciary committee couldn't make their lame attacks stick to Alito. That was their shot and they blew it.

In Tuesday's state of the union, the POTUS will be welcoming Judge Alito to the court and Mrs. Alito will be looking on from the gallery with a smile on her face.

Posted by: RE-PUB at January 29, 2006 02:18 AM

phnxbmed,

It is true that most Americans haven't a clue about this - but a far larger number of them will be clued-in if the Democrats actually manage to start a filibuster.

But the larger affect is on the respective Party bases - for the Democratic base, this is a holy mission: blocking Alito is, in leftwing views, vital to the defense of all that is right and good in the world...meanwhile, for the Republican base, getting Alito confirmed has become the test-case as to whether or not the Senate GOP has the stones to be a real majority Party. On both sides, heads are down and blood is up.

The way it works out, however, is that the GOP base is forcing the GOP to be true to what gets it elected and re-elected, while the Democratic base is stampeding the Democratic Party into positions unsupported by the majority of the electorate. This can easily lead to a 2006 mid-terms being fought out on clear left/right political lines, and that will hugely benefit the Republican Party.

I do see this as the watershed moment - the time when the Democrats will start an irreparable split. When we see Hillary being forced into an untenable leftwing position and a liberal like Joe Lieberman being faced with primary opposition, we can see the Democratic Party on the rocks...and if, as I suspect, the Democrats are defeated in November, then the recriminations will not be able to be papered over...the two sides of the Party will go their separate ways.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 03:18 AM

"...the two sides of the Party will go their separate ways."-Mark

What kind of split do you see in the Democratic Party? 70/30%? 80/20%? liberal dem/far-left dem

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 03:40 AM

You have Feinstein, who backed off her pledge not to filibuster Alito, just because Cindy Moonbat threatened to run against her.

Hermie, it's more than Cindy, the big-nosed moonbat. It's clearly evident that the kook, left-wing base, the DemocRat mainstream, has flexed its muscle. I'm in agreement with RE-PUB; they're backing a filibuster that they think won't happen. If it gets voted down in cloture, no harm to these kooks. If it gets the 41 votes required, they're in potential trouble. Well, some of them, not the senators in safe seats. And I don't think Candleface Kerry will win the '08 DemocRAT presidential nomination if it succeeds.

Hey guys-Mind if I ask what you all are smoking? Some kind of love-fest you've got going here, what with all the tolerance for opposing viewpoints and such.

I think it's you who's smoking, Rob, and you should wash that paraquat off your weed. That stuff has severely damaged your thought process. This is the most tolerant blog I've ever seen, and I've been banned from many. Being tolerant of opposing viewpoints is not the same as agreeing with opposing viewpoints, otherwise they wouldn't be opposing viewpoints. And just what are your viewpoints, other than we are smoking something and not tolerant of kookbats like you? Hmmm???

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 07:15 AM

And just what are your viewpoints, other than we are smoking something and not tolerant of kookbats like you?

The end of this question should read "...not tolerant of kookbats such as yourself?" Sorry about the poor grammar; reading hundreds of posts written by uneducated liberal "intellectuals" is taking its toll on my own writing skills.

I re-read your last post, RE-PUB. Spot on!!!

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 07:25 AM

"It is true that most Americans haven't a clue about this - but a far larger number of them will be clued-in if the Democrats actually manage to start a filibuster"

Mark, I agree, and this is exactly why there won't be a filibuster. The donks have too much to lose. As I stated before, this is all theater playing to the base. Re-Pub's got it right, Kerry forced the hand of the Defeatocrat Presidential hopefuls. Once he raised the issue, they had to follow or face the wrath of the Kos Kids, DU. MOveon.org, Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. Its astonishing how these fringe elements have taken over the direction of the Democrats.

As to a division, of it were to occur, there seems to be a solid 30% of the electorate that consistently votes (and polls) Democrat regardless of the issue. Of these I would guess 1/3 are what used to be called fringe wackos. Draining this 10% from the Democrat base would sink the donks into oblivion for a long long time.

Posted by: phnxbmed at January 29, 2006 08:53 AM

I believe the 'base,' both democratic and republican, realize what is at stake here. It has been the Republican Senates who have appeared to be clueless, thinking that if they act as 'moderates' the MSM will pay attention to them. Since McCain and company 'reached out' to avoid this confrontation once before, they may have strengthened the minority's resolve to go forward. We were at this brink once before than the 'gang of seven' jumped ship.
When one side of the aisle wants to 'get along' while the other side is fixed on 'getting over,' the MSM shapes the confrontation to fit their agenda in an attempt to sway an otherwise apathetic population. This formula has been bad news for republicans in the past.

Posted by: omapian [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 10:50 AM

Oh well. So long memorable filibuster...

Posted by: Floyd77 at January 29, 2006 01:27 PM

phnxbmed,

We'll all find out tomorrow...but I believe there's a strong chance that the far left will scare 41 Democrats into supporting a filibuster even though it is suicidal - the Kossacks, et al, aren't living in the real world.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 04:02 PM

Let's see what they've got. The time for an up or down vote has come, and we will learn just how powerful the far left interest groups are when the votes come in.

Posted by: ryan at January 29, 2006 06:12 PM

Mark, I really don't think that 41 dems will vote for the filibuster. The filibuster issue is bigger than Alito. I would expect to see more support to defeat the filibuster than support for Alito. I would think that there would be a couple of Senators that will vote to stop the filibuster and then vote against his confirmation. Allowing nominees to get a full floor vote is the most important issue here. All nominees deserve a full floor vote.

Posted by: andreww at January 29, 2006 08:20 PM

I think Senator Landrieu (D-LA) summed it up best by saying the Senate had other important things to tend to, like a Hurricane Recovery bill, than to push a filibuster. All of this push by the liberal Dems has been a waste of time for the Senate and the American people. It realy is time to VOTE, not fight. If they have done their research on the facts about Judge Alito and still don't like him, fine, just cast a no vote and allow the country to move on...

Posted by: Lola at January 29, 2006 08:42 PM

Hermie - you are exactly right. Judge Alito is indeed being branded as an extremist by Senators who have no idea of who he is. But these same Senators would be calling for a filibuster no matter who the nominee.

Senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton simply see the world as “R’s” and “D’s.” Not once during the last few months were they willing to “judge” Alito for who he is. Rather, they judged him simply as President Bush’s nominee, and thus, unacceptable.

Your other comment regarding the tireless efforts of his fellow colleagues, friends and ex-clerks traveling the country to help people get to know Judge Alito is applauded. Those who know Judge Alito best, Democrats included, spend numerous weeks over the past three months trying to do all they could to introduce the nation to Judge Alito. These people all have families and already busy schedules, and I too thank them for taking the time to help support their good friend and future Supreme Court Justice.

Posted by: Scooter [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 29, 2006 08:53 PM

I don't think Hilary is so much liberal as she is a political opportunist, which is why swing states like Ohio and Missouri will not vote for her in 2008. The whole filibuster attempt really is just pandering to the ultra-left. If Dems want to succeed in the mid-terms and in 2008, they should abandon this effort because most Americans feel Judge Alito deserves to be confirmed.

Posted by: Burky at January 29, 2006 10:20 PM

This is for all of my friends over at Daily Kos.

Even though I don't agree with the Iraq war at all I agree more with her than I do anyone else on it. We can't leave right this second because of Bush's mistakes. Hillary and I believe that as soon as we can train the people of Iraq to defend their own country then we can leave. If you all think about it in two year's that is going to be the winning position. She wins in all three parties more with Republicans and Independents than Democrats, but still all three. In two year's after we've pulled out a lot of our troops and Iraq is looking like it's going to succeed Hillary is going to look like the winner and here's why. She can tell the Republicans and the conservative Independents that she supported us staying their till till "we" felt the job was done when almost no other Democrat would that will give her brownie points with those two groups. The liberal Independents and Democrats she can say that she never would have supported the war if she knew what she knew know and that it was a terrible mistake but now were out and the Iraqi people are defending their own country successfully. By doing this she wins brownie points with all groups because she took the middle position.

Then regardless of how anyone feels about the national election, she can & will win the primary? Everyone has basically said the it's her if she wants it. Their is no one who can stop her in the primary. Her biggest opposition will be Feingold and Warner. Hillary will have at least $80 million in the bank and no one can match that especially Feingold he'll be the first one to drop out then it'll be left to Warner. Everyone will rally behind him as the anti-Hillary candidate, and he wont gain enough support or money to beat her. Hillary already has at least 8/10 of the conservative/moderate Dems. Then she has at least 6/10(probably more) of the liberal Dems. That support is solid and wont fade away. So regardless of what everyone thinks about the national election, it's going to be almost impossible to beat Hillary in the primary.

The turnout she generates is as follows. She generates black turnout that's about twenty-points higher than [John] Kerry got. So that's two extra point for the Democratic Party. She is almost certainly going to restore the Hispanic margin to 30-points, as opposed to the ten-point margin Kerry had. That's two-points extra for the Democrats. And she'll no doubt carry single women by four-to-one. Kerry carried them by two-to-one. So that's another two-points [for the Dems]. That's six-points worth of support the Democrats didn't get in this year's vote - enough to trump President Bush's 51 to 49 percent margin of victory. The questions is, can the GOP squeeze out more support from their base? I don't see how that happens, Bush won 97% of his party and it's IMPOSSIBLE to pull out another 3% from his own party.

Last the national election. All of the polls show that people believe her move to the center and now for the first time more people view her as a moderate than a liberal(http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Hillary%20Meter.htm). I know so many moderate and even some far right wing Republican women who have never voted Democrat in their and said they never would. I went threw every Democrat I could name and they said no, except for Hillary. When I asked why they said because she's a woman and "I want to see a woman become president in my life". Then I check all of these right wing blogs and watch all of these right wing shows and even though they all hate her their scared shit-less of her. They all know she can win and their all so afraid that the person they hate most has a very good chance of becoming president. Hillary only loses to one person McCain. She's tied with Guiliani and kicks everyone else's ass in the polls. McCain wont win the nomination because of his maverick stance, and almost everyday I check one of those right wing blogs and almost everyone of them says they wont vote for him even if he's the only one who can beat Hillary, so he's gone. Then Guiliani he's way to liberal and the republicans couldn't live with their selves if they nominated a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and anti-gun person. He's only doing so good in the polls because of name id and 9/11 once Republicans find out who he really is he's toast. George Allen will win the nomination. Hillary will carry every Kerry state plus Ohio, Iowa, and Missouri(only MO because since 1900 with one exception no one wins without MO). Then depending on her VP she can possibly win Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, and Colorado. So if McCain doesn't get the nomination then Hillary is our next President. To all of you who say "it'll never happen" the same thing was said about Regan and look what happened to him not one Repulican or anyone thought he could win and he won two terms. How many people doubted Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel(the new chancellor of Germany), but they both won and they were WOMEN. If it was any other year but 08 I don't think she would win. But because of Bush and the GOP's screw ups that = a Hillary victory.

Posted by: CrazyLiberal [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 30, 2006 12:38 AM

Andrew,

You'd think so...but lunacy has its own dynamic, and the left is 'round the bend.

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 30, 2006 04:14 AM


Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Sunday, Jan. 29, 2006 11:03 p.m. EST
Steve Emerson: Hillary Clinton and Hamas


2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton wasted no time last Thursday denouncing Hamas after the terror group's big win in the Palestinian parliamentary elections.

But as noted terrorism expert Steven Emerson pointed out when Mrs. Clinton first ran for the Senate, relations between the top Democrat and supporters of the notorious anti-Israeli organization haven't always been so chilly.

In fact, in a November 2000 report on OpinionJournal.com headlined "Hillary and Hamas," Emerson noted that Mrs. Clinton "has met repeatedly" over the years with "groups that had openly supported Hamas, Hezbollah and other foreign terrorist organizations."

Hillary launched her outreach program to U.S. Muslim leaders beginning in 1996. But as terror expert Emerson observed: "Curiously, nearly all of the leaders with whom Mrs. Clinton elected to meet came from Islamic fundamentalist organizations."

Among the most troubling terror-friendly groups cultivated by the former first lady was the American Muslim Council, an organization that had "clearly established a record in support of radical Islam," he said.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, for instance, the AMC vigorously defended Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman - whose followers carried out the attack - as a "theologian" who advocated "democratization of the Egyptian political system."

The blind sheik is now serving a life sentence in connection with that attack and other plots to blow up New York City landmarks.

Another group that benefited from Mrs. Clinton's Muslim outreach program was the Islamic Relief Association, which Emerson noted, "clearly has a militant agenda."

Less than three weeks before a top official with the group met with Mrs. Clinton, the association held a fund-raiser in Brooklyn, N.Y., where the main speaker was Sheik Abdulmunem Abu Zant.

At the time, noted Emerson, "Mr. Abu Zant was a deputy in the Jordanian parliament and the self-proclaimed leader of the most radical wing of the Islamic Action Front. He is an ardent supporter of Hamas and has repeatedly called for holy war against Israel and the U.S."

Another organization embraced by Mrs. Clinton was the Muslim Women's League and its parent group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, which Hillary lauded in a May 1996 speech for fighting against "hatred."

Three months before, however, MPAC had defended a bus bombing in Jerusalem and called the Israeli response a "terrorist act."

Three years earlier, apparently before the group launched its supposed anti-hate campaign, MPAC issued a statement decrying Israel for its "unjust and illegal usurpation of Muslim and Christian lands and rights."

Concluded Emerson: "A review of the statements, publications and conferences of the groups Mrs. Clinton embraced shows unambiguously that they have long advocated or justified violence. By meeting with these groups, the first lady lent them legitimacy."

Posted by: semby at January 30, 2006 07:16 AM

Crazy Liberal,
ROFLMAO

Blow Job Billy only got 43 and 48 percent during his elections...you think Hillary can do better?

Hillary will get shredded in your dem primaries. She has so much baggage to drag around. Most notably a philandering, convicted perjurer, and impeached husband. Yeah that's the lib ticket to the Whitehouse.

America will never trust its security to a woman who allowed herself to be humiliated by her own husband. The mullahs will have Hillary wearing a burka before you can say "I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". Of course if she finally did the right thing and divorced Blow Job Billy, she might have a chance.

Posted by: Nebraska Militia [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 30, 2006 09:54 AM

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