This is just the beginning, Mark. We're in for a rocky two years, IMHO.

As for the President's "new tone" in dealing with the donk majority, I'm not liking what I'm seeing since Tuesday, but being that we've got a lame-duck congress for the next two months, I'm gonna adopt a lame-duck attitude until the next Congress is sworn in. I only pray that bush was reacting to the GOP defeat tactfully, and that he's not gonna roll over and play dead while these kooks drag this country to the levels of Europe and Canada.

I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not believing a word of Piglosi and Reid-tard's pledge to work in a bi-partisan manner. Because, to them, bi-partisan means the DemocRATs propose the agenda, and the GOP agrees to everything. That's bi-partisan to them, these days. If Bush and the GOP don't act like Reagan for the next two years, nothing positive will be accomplished.

Have at it, armchair quarterbacks--I'm in lame-duck status until January. Merry Christmas--while we're still allowed to say it...

I agree Mark. If they talk for our enemy, defend our enemy and assist the enemy in a time of war then they are America's enemy. Since they are Americans they are traitors of America.

Mark,

Do you really believe that everyone on the left desires the destruction of the United States?

I suggest Germany and Angela Merkel apply the same detainee-standards for Rumsfeld as the Bush administration is doing with "illegal enemy combatants"?

Angela just declares he's a war criminal, waterboards him, gives him a lovely German Schlager to listen to all day (I suggest Dennie Christiaans Greatest Hits). He will even gets to see a pet a couple of times: a German Shepard dog. Oh, and don't worry, Donald will not suffer from any organ failure. He will even get a bible in his airconditioned cell, Germany is a very humane society.

He doesn't have habeas corpus too, that's such an outdated concept when talking about war criminals. Would anyone of you allow war criminals having habeas corpus? Well then, I've made my case.

Maybe in a couple of years or so, when Angela feels like it, he may even get his day in court. And when he doesn't get that, well, tough luck.

Of course, when Donald has his day in court, the German prosecutor may produce evidence gathered through torture without having to tell Rumsfeld has been tortured. No one will know about it.

The problem with treason laws are that we are afraid to use them. We have a serious problem in this country with various members of Congress, and the permenant portion of the govt; i.e. CIA, NSA, leaking classified information to the New York Times and other news agencies, and there not being any consequences for their action. Leakers, and the reporters that publish stories that harm our effort, don't even get a slap on the wrist for their treasonous actions.

I am tired of having to defend the WOT and the war in Iraq to leftist nutjobs. It was the right thing to do. Imagine the squawking that would have occurred if Sadaam had used the WMD that everyone, including your beloved President Clinton and "supposed to be President" Gore, thought existed.

As one that knows the Muslim and Arab mentality well, we cannot underestimate the power of their faith. The Left thinks that they can be reasoned with, talked to, understood. The truth is that they hate our way of life; they hate us; and they want nothing more than to bring Islaamic law to the world. The Europeans will be the first to fall, because they have not paid attention to the threat, and have allowed the Islaamists to infiltrate their midst without any resistance.

The left would like nothing more than to Impeach President Bush, VP Cheney, Indict Rummy and Rice, and leave this administration in a pile of rubble. I have said it once and I will say it again. If we lose this fight, we will never again have a chance to win the WOT. Mainly, because there will never be another country that will trust us to be there for them. If we leave early from Iraq, it will not be like Nam, where we left the Vietnamese to be killed and it ended there. If we leave the Middle East, many thousands, maybe millions will be slaughtered, but it won't stop there. They will follow us whereever we are, and they will either kill us or we will kill them. Simple as that.

I say start indicting the traitors now. Starting with Willem van Oranje.

If Frau Merkel insists on continuing with this little charade, I say recall our Ambassador to Berlin, then pull all of our remaining troops out of Germany and redeploy them to a country which will welcome them. And blow up the bases we leave behind, that way, it'll have to be Euro-pee-on money that'll rebuild them!

Good one, JPL!! :-)

"There were a lot of failures in by the GOP which led to our defeat this past week"

I have not read anywhere on this blog about any failures. You staunchly supported poor decisions made for questionable purposes.

Lets make a point perfectly clear. The American people voted the defenders of these failures out of office.

The American people do not condone the use of torture. I don't care that you say we don't torture. We tortured human beings. We suspended habeas corpus. Nobody is fooled when this administration says it did not waterboard. The reality is that we did waterboard and used other methods of torture. You know it and I know it.

"The truth is that they hate our way of life; they hate us; and they want nothing more than to bring Islamic law to the world."

What kind of horse manure is that? Please. Grow up.

"let us now steel ourselves to the task at hand, which is to save this great nation from those who wish to destroy it."

Are you expressing the fact that the American people who voted, voted to "destroy" America?

Please.

Now, wipe your hiney, and start to admit the many, many failures that led the American people to vote your brand of leadership unacceptable.

The Americans who voted this scum out of office are outraged. The world is outraged. They may not be outraged with our goal, but with the inhuman way we attempted to reach that goal.

Torture is unacceptable. Period. The enablers and designers should be held accountable.

I say give Rummy his day in court. Let the facts come become clear. Give him the right to defend himself that he denied others.

Rummy is a poor example of American leadership. May we find one that is.

Interesting to hear shouts of "treason" from the same group who posted nuclear weapon designs plans on the internet - in arabic!

Speaking as a liberal, if this group has a problem with Rumsfeld and wants to sue him for something they believe he did wrong, we have a judicial system right here in America. I say have the cojones to do it here instead of running to frickin Germany.

And I am no fan of Rumsfeld. I think he needs to be held accountable BY OUR CONGRESS for what went on in Abu Ghraib. But this German thing stinks to high heaven and even a liberal Democrat like me can smell that.

Mark,

Why do you always associate truly wacko individuals and groups with Washington politicians? These people don't run the country.

Look at Tim McVeigh. He was a right-winger. A republican. A gun advocate. Does that mean doom and gloom for the Republicans because they are the Tim McVeigh party?

The answer is no. The Republicans are not the Tim McVeigh party. Just because Tim McVeigh killed a bunch of children doesn't mean Washington Republicans killed a bunch of children.

Please try to understand this.

I support treason for treasonists on the right AND left. I support lesser charges if treason won't stick. If they are just advocates, remember this: people look to the two major parties for policy; they do not look to the wackos. The Repubs didn't lose the election because of Tim McVeigh. They lost it fair and square because of their own incompetence and corruption.

So let's enforce our laws. If any group broke these laws, put them away. In the meantime, let's think about what really needs to be done in this world, and not go off our rockers making associations that just aren't there.

aarontime- Are those the plans that Iraq did not have or the ones they were not supposed to have? You know, the wmd program we went to war over?

I can count the number of Republicans who are/were traitors, burn our flag, spit on our returning soldiers, etc. on one hand. The list for neorads, however, is a mile long (including a former Attorney General of the US who felt the need to represent an enemy of the US). Pitiful.

BC,

Not only that, but they desire the complete destruction of Judeo-Christian civilization. Now, I grant that the majority of leftwingers don't realise this - they've bought a set of rhethoric which masks reality, but the left, as a thing, is in direct opposition to the civilization we belong to, and its primary bulwark, the United States of America.

And plese remember I keep a strict distinction between "left" and "liberal"....liberals are misguided, leftists are the purveyors (consciously or otherwise) of evil.

Jim,

The flaw in your argument is that in the 62 member Congressional Progressive Caucus, you have people who agree 100% with the aims of this group...not all Democrats are leftists, but most leftists gravitate towards the Democratic Party these days because they know they'll get a hearing, and some power.

On the other hand, the McVeigh's of the world are completely rejected on the right - we want nothing to do with them. Until liberalism purges the left, it will always been dangerous to have the liberal Party anywhere near power...and that why we are worried...no because of Joe Average Democratic Congressman...he's ok, just wrong on policy...what we are worried about are those like Kucinich and Waters...the completely lunatic leftwingers.

Mark,

What would people on the left have to gain from the destruction of the United States?

I'm wondering what you think motivates people you disagree with.

BC,

They want it destroyed because they view it as inherently evil - Judeo-Christian civilization, to the understanding leftist, is a massive crime against humanity...from start to finish, it was a system designed to destroy that which was truly human. They view institutions such as the Church and the United States as the pillars of support for evil people who are keeping the human race down out of a desire for personal power and enrichment.

In the mind of the left, if you destroy what is, then humanity will be free to an entirely new social structure...one which will be, naturally, free from all greed, corruption, hate, anger, etc...

Its a stupid concept, because it ignores the fallen nature of mankind and his inherent penchant for evil...and, in fact, as a believer I can only view leftism as yet another tool for the dstruction of mankind...make him think he's entirely material and that he can create paradise on earth, and you've entirely ruined him.

I fight leftism tooth and nail because it wants to destroy me - and, worse than that, destroy the ability of my fellow men and women to move towards the life of the world to come.

"yet another lying name by the left, appropriating the rhetoric of liberty as a cover for their tyrannical desires"

Mark, you are making a laughable statement there. I have to admit I particularly like the "tyrannical" part. Yikes!

So a group, like the ACLU, that is committed to upholding OUR constitutional rights is under attack and called of all things, "treasonous".

How dare you. Fascism run rampant. Within the boundaries of upholding the guarantees of our constitution comes decisions that are hard to swallow. Yet, we must, for to waive a single constitutional guarantee is extremely dangerous
when the forces of the fascism you so desire run amok.

I can do nothing less than support wholeheartedly the organizations working to abide by and enforce our CONSTITUTION.

The ACLU committed to upholding our Constitution...are you freaking insane, raker?????
The ACLU was founded by a Communist....

So Mark, since you view Al Qaeda and the leftwing of the Democratic party as both wanting to bring about the destruction of America, I ask you this:

If you had a chance to put a bullet through the head of an Al Qaeda member or an American leftist, which would you kill first?

You call yourself a "believer" but almost everything you write is consumed by hatred of your countrymen with whom you have disagreements. Do you see the inherent problem in this?

Mark-

What is your take on Grover Norquist? He said he wants to destroy the federal government by shrinking it so much he can "drown it in a bathtub"? Is this not treason? Or can you not admit treason from a Radical Rightwinger. What about McVeigh? Did you support his terrorist action because he's closer to your side than he is to Chomsky?

yeah, and Arianna was a republican.

“If you had the chance to put a bullet in the head of a liberal American or an Al Qaeda terrorist, which would you choose?”

“What about McVeigh? Did you support his terrorist action because he's closer to your side than he is to Chomsky?”

You have a real knack for stupid statements. And then you seem expect someone to respond to a double negative. Why don’t you come back when you want to have a REAL discussion because that doesn't even come close.

DM... and the thing is, in making such statements, they think they've made really clever zingers. And, when we look at them at think "that's so stupid it's not even worth a response", they think they've shut us down with their brilliant arguments... then thinking they've got a real winner of a talking point, they post it again and again and again. Very tiresome.

I've tried to engage people, and I've been called a "fu...ing idiot" by someone named BearmanUSMC, "moonbat", "anti-American" and other things.

Seems like y'all want either an echo chamber or liberals to channel your hatred to on here.

The Center for Constitutional Rights receives funding from George Soros' group.

I've been reading posts here for awhile and I've never seen Mark's paranoia like this...I'm a little worried.

"They want it destroyed because they view it as inherently evil - Judeo-Christian civilization, to the understanding leftist, is a massive crime against humanity...from start to finish, it was a system designed to destroy that which was truly human. They view institutions such as the Church and the United States as the pillars of support for evil people who are keeping the human race down out of a desire" (Mark)

WTF? Mark, where do you come up with this? Did you ever think that people are just trying to live a happy life, to get by? Only people with too much time on their hands think of this sort of destructive behavior.

If you had a chance to put a bullet through the head of an Al Qaeda member or an American leftist, which would you kill first?

If I had the chance, Douggie, I'd have you stand behind your buddy, OBL, because I'd definitely want him dead, and I'd want you to know I was serious about my belief that you're a terrorist apologist.

If the bullet killed OBL and only wounded you, fine. At least perhaps you got a wake-up call. If, however, the bullet, after sending OBL to martyrdom, also sent you off to your 72 male virgins, oh well--bonus!!!

“ “I've tried to engage people…” :Doug

No, you haven’t. LNC points out very well what you do. Reread her post.

“Seems like y'all want either an echo chamber or liberals to channel your hatred to on here.”

I have no idea what that even means. But if you have an opposing point of view and want to forward your idea, then what we’re looking for is HONEST debate. What you’ve put forth has no resemblance to honest debate and intent to exchange different points of view.

I fight leftism tooth and nail because it wants to destroy me

Extreme paranoia can be treated, Noonan. But you have to get help for yourself. Good luck!

DougW,

I fight the armed with weapons, the unarmed with words. As a Christian, the force I can use must be entirely proportionate to need. And as for Norquist - the government of the United States is not the United States: if anything, the United States is our sublime Declaration of Independence. The government is just the mean we, the people, set up for our own security and happiness. We can change it any time we want, a majority of our fellow citizens agreeing. If we wanted to make a monarachy where the king is chosen every seventh year by cutting cards, we could do it.

Sees,

To recognise an enemy is not paranoia...leftism and Christianity are incompatible...eventually, one or the other will go (and, of course, I'm assured by Authority that it shan't be Christianity).

Kevin,

People on the left may think they are trying to do all sorts of things, but what they are engaged in is entirely destructive.

“Mark, where do you come up with this? Did you ever think that people are just trying to live a happy life, to get by? Only people with too much time on their hands think of this sort of destructive behavior.” KEVIN

Kevin,
What you miss is, the sheep just want to live a happy live but they do not see or refuse to see the destructive forces working to change your happy life. The sheep want to live in the past where their delusional dreams of “ignore the problem and it will go away” allows them to ignore all of the signs of a world changing around them. They attach problems to who ever confronts evil not the evil itself.

You see Mark as the problem and see him as “thinking up stuff”. Mark is simply showing you what really is. The world is changing and evil tries to hide itself. Do you recognize it? Are you aware how evil manipulates emotions and uses them to springboard others into action to do their deeds? Perhaps you don’t like what he says because it conflicts with the emotions within you. Do you control your own emotions or does someone else have their finger on your emotional response triggers? Are you sure?

"If the bullet killed OBL and only wounded you, fine. At least perhaps you got a wake-up call. If, however, the bullet, after sending OBL to martyrdom, also sent you off to your 72 male virgins, oh well--bonus!!!"

Mark-

You'll ban a liberal for pointing out a lie, but you'll allow and support statements like this? And you call yourself a Christian? The Hater of Liberals assumes that I am not a Christian, even though I've said so many times. You have said that one cannot be a liberal and a Christian. What kind of place do you really want this to be?