Oh, what a load of crap. The terrorists don't like AMERICA, which means they don't like whoever is in power, namely: President Chimpy and his cohorts. When something bad appears to happen to them (like, say, the American electorate slapping them in the face), the bad guys are naturally pleased. Does that, ipso facto, mean the terrorists back the Democrats? Of course not. But that's exactly the kind of hateful rhetoric Bush and Co. (including the current right-wing hacks on this site) were spouting.
And that, you hateful people, is why you lost the election. Don't you GET that?
Posted by: Cyberactor at November 10, 2006 03:20 PM
Looks like Teenage liberal is back
Posted by: Porter Jervis at November 10, 2006 03:28 PM
Rumsfield did cut and run. He resigned for purely political reasons, when the fact of the matter is that he should have stepped down far earlier for the good of the country and american people.
I am sure people give this latest audio treat as much thought as all those Bin Laden tapes that keep surfacing, reminding people that after 6 years, they cannot catch one old man. Could not have anything to do with the fact that George Bush Sr is partners with Bin Ladens brother? Nah, didn't think so
Posted by: axis at November 10, 2006 03:33 PM
Hey look, its the democrat's twelfth player. Know ye by your enemies...and by your friends.
And this classic from cyberactor, certain to be a hit at KOS and DU:
"But that's exactly the kind of hateful rhetoric Bush and Co. (including the current right-wing hacks on this site) were spouting."
AND...
"President Chimpy and his cohorts."
Scuttle. Jeroboam. Atramentous.
Posted by: Bacon-I Will Miss Thee at November 10, 2006 03:37 PM
Who cares??
Who cares what the leader of Al-Queda in Iraq thinks of our electoral process? Why are you more concerned about what these guys say, and less concerned that these guys not only continue to exist but seem to be growing in numbers? Doesn't it bother you that Al-queda now has a leader in Iraq, when pre-invasion there wasn't even an Al-queda presence in Iraq?
The Bush administration has had carte blanche for five years to destroy Al-queda, and they've only succeeded in making them stronger. Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.
Posted by: steveGA at November 10, 2006 03:45 PM
Al Queda hates ALL AMERICANS! You may recall the disparaging things Bin Laden has said about Clinton ("immoral acts of your president Clinton"), as well. Moreover, according to Ron Suskind in "The One Percent Doctrine", the CIA believed that the 2004 Bin Laden tape was designed to help re-elect Bush:
"On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as “Osama’s endorsement of John Kerry.” But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.
This stunning CIA disclosure is tucked away in a brief passage near the end of Ron Suskind’s The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders. Suskind wrote that the CIA analysts based their troubling assessment on classified information, but the analysts still puzzled over exactly why bin-Laden wanted Bush to stay in office.
According to Suskind’s book, CIA analysts had spent years “parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, [Ayman] Zawahiri. What they’d learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. …
“Their [the CIA’s] assessments, at day’s end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public [was] not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today’s conclusion: bin-Laden’s message was clearly designed to assist the President’s reelection."
WHO REALLY CARES WHAT AL QUEDA SAYS?!!?!?
They say they want us to stay and fight in Iraq- does THAT mean we should leave? I mean, if they want us to stay, aren't we giving them what they want?
Again, Al Queda hates ALL AMERICANS and are clearly trying to divide us against ourselves. Who cares what they think? They, not the Dems or the Republicans, are our REAL enemy!
Posted by: coulterfan at November 10, 2006 03:51 PM
Osama killed a bunch of liberals in the World Trade Center. Don't let your hatred of us exceed your hatred of the terrorists, Mark. They hate us equally as much, and it's a shame that you are in such a froth that you believe the things you do.
Posted by: DougW at November 10, 2006 04:12 PM
The Bush administration has had carte blanche for five years to destroy Al-queda, and they've only succeeded in making them stronger.
Must be why the eminently stronger AQ has been smashing our territory and killing our people all over the U.S. Why just yesterday, Dallas suffered three separate terrorist attacks.....ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Bin Laden himself, rifle in hand, led an attack against an oil installation in New Orleans...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Zarqawi managed to get a very skilled surgeon to turn him from jigsaw-puzzle back into a human being...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
The remaining one-third of the AQ leadership who hasnt been sent on a one-way trip to meet allah planted a black flag over the White House...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.
What other course is there than to hunt down and destroy the terrorists? But hey, if you feel there is an alternative, such as....dialogue....with these savages, feel free to pursue that course. Good luck in '08.
Posted by: Lose the Bongos at November 10, 2006 04:20 PM
Democrats want to pull out of Iraq. Al Qaeda is in Iraq.
Do you not think that they had a vested interest in Democrats winning?
Posted by:
Leo Pusateri at November 10, 2006 04:21 PM
Cyberactor,
Read Sun Tzu: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." It's no accident the head of Al Queda sounds a lot like Howard Dean. They've had the same objective for the last few years.
Axis,
You write:
"Rumsfield did cut and run. He resigned for purely political reasons, when the fact of the matter is that he should have stepped down far earlier for the good of the country and american people."
I'm surprised you found time to comment between your double feature of An Inconvenient Truth and Fahrenheit 911. When Republicans do what they sense to be right, you call them tyrants, Hitler, thwarting the will of the people. When they listen to the will of the people, you call them cowards. Face it, Bush is putting it on you. The Americans elected you libs, and if you have anxiety that they'll see you for who you are, you have reason to be concerned. Staying in office once you get in office requires more than bitching about the other guy not doing his job. Have a nice two years, chumps.
Posted by: Morris at November 10, 2006 04:28 PM
Al Queda wants us to stay in Iraq. They said so today- they obviously think it's great for recruiting and training terrorists.
I don't think we should base our foreign policy on what Al Queda "wants" us to do. Obviously, you guys disagree. . .
Posted by: coulterfan at November 10, 2006 04:30 PM
Of COURSE the savages said that, feeding their words right into the heart of the pre-election democratic promise to change course in Iraq.
Now the dems can run into the streets, shouting "AQ wants us to stay in Iraq, therefore we need to leave since we are just creating more terrorists!" How do we know? Well the terrorists said so, thats how, and of course we can always believe them.
The savages dont need an excuse to attack us, Americans have been dying at their hands for decades, and theyve been committing these attacks without the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq to use as an excuse. If you do the math properly, 2001 came before 2003.
It goes against every, single military lesson to say you want the enemy to live in your backyard, killing your trained men by the thousands and wrecking your infrastructure. The U.S. isnt alone in this fight either, the terrorists also have to contend with coalition troops and loyal Iraqi forces. If America left Iraq, all the savages could just head to Afghanistan to find more Americans to kill, so why make it tougher on themselves?
This speech is a crock, the savages are getting their ass kicked and are simply playing to the democrat's normal instincts in hopes of gaining a reprieve.
Posted by: Lose the Bongos at November 10, 2006 04:50 PM
Coulterfan,
I know libs think that advocating the opposite of what the people you don't like (for instance, Bush) advocate is smart, nuanced, etc. And my history's a little fuzzy, but I don't remember us being in Iraq at the time of 9/11. So could it be remotely possible that the Islamic terrorists have the roots of their Islamic terrorism in the way Islam is taught to them? That is, could it possibly be the the roots of Islamic terrorism happen when they're in 4th grade and taught they can't be friends with infidels, or maybe it's when they're in 8th grade and taught that killing infidels is a path to heaven?
Could it possibly be the the Al Queda group (of which Bush destroyed 75% of its leadership) was active before Bush and before Iraq, for instance planning attacks against airliners flying over the Pacific, attacks in Saudi Arabia, attacks in Bali and against our World Trade Center perhaps in 1993? So could it be in a alternate universe, a world that seems bizarro when compared to that spoken of by prominent Democrats making their purely political calculations, in that world could it be that these terrorists may not only do the gross crimes of mass murder, but maybe they're capable of lying? Maybe?
Could it be considering Islamic terrorists have been acting like Islamic terrorists for several decades that it's not America's (or Bush's, or America in Iraq's) fault?
Posted by: Morris at November 10, 2006 04:57 PM
Posted by: Ames Tiedeman at November 10, 2006 05:20 PM
[I]Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.[/I]
It's called "Dhimmitude," stupid.
http://jihadwatch.org/
On the plus side, Nancy Pelosi will look stunning in a burka...
And here's a shout out to all you wacky leftist libs who are currently crowing about how you're "back in the saddle again." Give it all you've got (which is pretty much empty), because the American public didn't vote [B]for[/B] the Democrats or liberalism. They voted [B]against[/B] the failed, hollow politicians who called themselves Conservative Republicans, but were largely spineless liberals who didn't understand the meaning of a mandate. Had they held true to Conservatism and acted like Conservatives in their votes, they'd still be
in Congress.
At least we all know what we're getting with Frau Pelosi and Herr Reid - a bunch of cynical opportunistic hacks that seek to undermine this country's foreign and domestic policies in favor of their socialist capital redistributionist objectives (communism). They seek bigger government, more government control of the individual, and an increase in dependency upon the government on the part of whole classes of the population. This "honeymoon" of "bipartisanship" that is currently being floated out there won't last more than a week, if that. Then the Dems will take off the mask and show us their true colors: green with envy, red with rage, and yellow when it comes to protecting this nation.
Have at it! Show us just how radical you can be. When you're through trashing the President, his Administration, the Troops and fellow patriots, make sure the Bush tax cuts expire (i.e., taxes rise sharply). That ought to be right about election time in 2008, right?...
Posted by:
babyboomer aka dbogdan at November 10, 2006 05:35 PM
This is ridiculous! You guys sit around wringing your hands trying to figure out what Al Queda "wants" us to do and basing your policy on that.
I, however, want to do what I think is best for America and for our security. We may disagree, but hopefully not because we're trying to figure out what the terrorists "want" us to do!
This whole "fight them over there so we don't fight them here" mantra doesn't make sense. I mean, Britain was attacked even while fighting them in Iraq, as was Spain- we are certainly not immune from attacks here.
I think we should beef up security at our ports, in our cargo planes, at our nuclear power plants and chemical plants, etc.
If I have mice in the house, I put traps INSIDE my house. I DON'T place traps at all my neighbors houses saying, "I want to fight the mice there, so I don't have to fight them here!" Sure, if I eliminated ALL the mice in the world that might work, but how realistic is THAT?
As a side note, how many of the 9-11 hijackers were from Iraq, or even trained in Iraq? None?!?!?!? Weren't MOST of them from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? I fear THEY might be our future enemies if we don't get off of middle eastern oil. After all, didn't we support Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War? Didn't we even sell them weapons? Bin Laden was an ally when fighting the Soviets. Our questionable allies have a way of turning into our worst enemies in the future. . .
Posted by: coulterfan at November 10, 2006 05:36 PM
If I have mice inside my house, I work like hell to keep them from getting inside, because I wont know the mice are here until I notice the Fritos bag has been chewed into. Sure, I could lay a trap, meanwhile the little guys are gnawing through my house wiring.
Men are not mice, they wont blindly step onto a trap just to get a piece of cheese; they will scheme and plan and observe, and be very much on guard for the trap itself. Waiting for them to come to us is called defense, and with the size of our borders we will take some serious damage in that kind of fight. Find them, hunt them, kill them somewhere else, and if the left werent wringing its hands, we could make it so very painful for them.
Yes, Iraq was once a defacto ally, so was Russia and China, once we were at war with our most dependable ally England. Hard times call for hard choices but times also change, we need to change with them or get swamped by the terrorists and their supporters.
Posted by: Bacon-I Will Miss Thee at November 10, 2006 05:57 PM
You know what the terrorists would hate??
If we got entirely off of middle eastern oil and turned it into "yesterday's technology". Since that's the ONLY thing in that area of value, it would bankrupt the MOFOS and their corrupt MONARCHIES and DICTATORSHIPS and DEFUND the TERRORISTS!
Posted by: coulterfan at November 10, 2006 06:00 PM
[the party] of slaves and drug addicts
Sounds like al-Muhajir understands the democrat party!
Doesn't it bother you that Al-queda now has a leader in Iraq, when pre-invasion there wasn't even an Al-queda presence in Iraq?
Not really, moonbat. When we were attacked on 9/11 we weren't even in Iraq. And Saddam (soon to be RIP, don't cry) was in league with the Islamofascist terrorists all along. Doesn't that bother you? No? Because BushLiedPeopleDied(TM).
Posted by: Bob Arctor at November 10, 2006 06:30 PM
Abu Hamza al-Muhajir is talking pretty big for a man that can't even use a cell phone without a 500lb bomb dropped on his ass. Talks all big about jihad, yet hides behind women and children.
Posted by: tom at November 10, 2006 06:36 PM
You know Coulter, I actually agree with you that if we would stop buying their oil they'd be a lot easier to deal with. While they would still have funds (Because US isn't the ONLY purchaser of oil, especially with China running around.) at least we wouldn't be hit with our own money.
Which is why I'm for drilling in our own lands and opening up Oil Shale. Getting at these resources would be used to ween us away from middle east oil while we work on new technology. There's great promise in alternate fuels and energy sources but we're not there yet. We'll still need to use "traditional" energy sources for decades to come.
As for the Terrorisits they'll try to take advantage of any situation they can get. The fact that the Dems activly want to "Change Direction" in Iraq sounds great to those being hunted down under the current "direction." So of course they're happy for the Dem victory.
Now will the Dems "new Direction" improve things with Terrorism? Hmm? I'm not holding my breath because I bet it'll be more of a "See No Evil" style defense. I hope I'm wrong but...
Posted by:
Gozer at November 10, 2006 07:29 PM
Well said, Gozer.
Al Qaeda terrorists cheer the Democrats victory. We told you so.
Posted by: Freedom1 at November 10, 2006 08:37 PM
Am I the alone in noticing that al Qaeda
messages have been given by every one of
their leaders, EXCEPT for Osama, recently?
When was the last direct msg from Bin Laden?
The French reported in september that Osama
was dead,immediately repudiated by BushCo.
I think that BushCo is just waiting for the
most politically opportune time to reveal
that the terrorist is dead.
Up to now, the relationship between Osama
and Bush has been symbiotic.
Posted by: Stove Man at November 11, 2006 06:27 AM
Tom,
I think you hit the nail on the head. Why is it that this sounds so much like that speech by the terrorist from True Lies ("We're cool, we're badasses, blah blah blah")? When we look at these terrorists, they suffer from identity crisis. They don't feel successful in living a peaceful, supportive life, and so they turn to an alternative where they're told they can be tough, be heroes of god.
It's not very different from the gang initiations in America. These are people who are not taught that compassion is the way (which, my lefty friends, isn't a belief limited to Christianity; it's also in Buddhism, the sammurai's Hagakure, and from many other cultures).
So they don't have any underlying ethical principles which value compassion. In the United States, schools don't teach the value of compassion, so when people aren't exposed to the idea they can be successful by supporting others, we get gang members. In the Middle East, the same people end up being drawn into terrorist organizations. I'm sure you'll be tempted to make a comparison with our military, lefty friends, but remember that our military has a code, and that code (besides the UCMJ) is the US Constitution which embraces human rights for everyone, as long as they allow human rights for those around them.
This is the genius of Bush's strategy. He's going in, changing things so that instead of suicide killers' families being rewarded with a bunch of cash by Saddam, they're not rewarded for blowing to bits little Israeli children. He's changing things so that they'll (even beyond those with satellite dishes) be exposed to media from different cultures with different value, including those that believe our nation has the potential for good. He's taking the billions and billions of dollars from oil sales out of Saddam's hands so that ordinary Iraqis have a chance to be successful, so that they'll have an identity, be worthy for their lives rather than their deaths.
But then we see David Letterman and others on TV, and they don't want America to win. That is so selfish, and it represents the void of compassion we could have expected when as a culture we stopped focusing on its value.
Coulterfan,
There's a difference between the problem of having rats in my house because there's a nest somewhere in the neighborhood, and having rats in my house and knowing it's because one of my neighbors raises mice because he doesn't like his neighbors and these mice spread the plague or other diseases to them. Our rat raising neighbors, Iraq and Afghanistan, were providing safe haven to terrorist rats so that they'd strike us, and rewarding the families of terrorist rats after they'd died spreading their plague. In America, if someone died from that kind of rat it would be named pre-meditated murder, and the ones who nursed the rat and filled it with disease so that it may poison their neighbors would be taken out of their house, and they would likely have their life ended.
Posted by: Morris at November 11, 2006 11:16 AM
England has NEVER been your most dependable ally BRITAIN has. Yes thats right all 4 countries that constitute Britain not just England.
Posted by: weefee at November 12, 2006 04:27 PM
You are right about the disgusting suicide bombers that kill wee Israeli kids but what about the disgusting murders of wee Palestinian kids? Just because they are under the guise of teh IDF does not make the blatent disregard for human life any better. What both sides in this war have to do is attempt to protect innocent life. I know that the militants from Palestine have killed 8 Israelis in 6 years with their Quassam Missiles which is contemptable but so are the unproportionate responses by the IDF 18 people in one day alone, I would love to believe that it was a technical error but there have been too many cover ups by the IDF and their flagrant disregard of UN resolutions. I also see John Boltons done the whitehouse proud rejecting yet another UN resolution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Posted by: weefee at November 13, 2006 04:38 AM
You are right about the disgusting suicide bombers that kill wee Israeli kids but what about the disgusting murders of wee Palestinian kids? Just because they are under the guise of teh IDF does not make the blatent disregard for human life any better. What both sides in this war have to do is attempt to protect innocent life. I know that the militants from Palestine have killed 8 Israelis in 6 years with their Quassam Missiles which is contemptable but so are the unproportionate responses by the IDF 18 people in one day alone, I would love to believe that it was a technical error but there have been too many cover ups by the IDF and their flagrant disregard of UN resolutions. I also see John Bolton's done the whitehouse proud rejecting yet another UN resolution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Posted by: weefee at November 13, 2006 04:38 AM
Oh, what a load of crap. The terrorists don't like AMERICA, which means they don't like whoever is in power, namely: President Chimpy and his cohorts. When something bad appears to happen to them (like, say, the American electorate slapping them in the face), the bad guys are naturally pleased. Does that, ipso facto, mean the terrorists back the Democrats? Of course not. But that's exactly the kind of hateful rhetoric Bush and Co. (including the current right-wing hacks on this site) were spouting.
And that, you hateful people, is why you lost the election. Don't you GET that?
Looks like Teenage liberal is back
Rumsfield did cut and run. He resigned for purely political reasons, when the fact of the matter is that he should have stepped down far earlier for the good of the country and american people.
I am sure people give this latest audio treat as much thought as all those Bin Laden tapes that keep surfacing, reminding people that after 6 years, they cannot catch one old man. Could not have anything to do with the fact that George Bush Sr is partners with Bin Ladens brother? Nah, didn't think so
Hey look, its the democrat's twelfth player. Know ye by your enemies...and by your friends.
And this classic from cyberactor, certain to be a hit at KOS and DU:
"But that's exactly the kind of hateful rhetoric Bush and Co. (including the current right-wing hacks on this site) were spouting."
AND...
"President Chimpy and his cohorts."
Scuttle. Jeroboam. Atramentous.
Who cares??
Who cares what the leader of Al-Queda in Iraq thinks of our electoral process? Why are you more concerned about what these guys say, and less concerned that these guys not only continue to exist but seem to be growing in numbers? Doesn't it bother you that Al-queda now has a leader in Iraq, when pre-invasion there wasn't even an Al-queda presence in Iraq?
The Bush administration has had carte blanche for five years to destroy Al-queda, and they've only succeeded in making them stronger. Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.
Al Queda hates ALL AMERICANS! You may recall the disparaging things Bin Laden has said about Clinton ("immoral acts of your president Clinton"), as well. Moreover, according to Ron Suskind in "The One Percent Doctrine", the CIA believed that the 2004 Bin Laden tape was designed to help re-elect Bush:
"On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as “Osama’s endorsement of John Kerry.” But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.
This stunning CIA disclosure is tucked away in a brief passage near the end of Ron Suskind’s The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders. Suskind wrote that the CIA analysts based their troubling assessment on classified information, but the analysts still puzzled over exactly why bin-Laden wanted Bush to stay in office.
According to Suskind’s book, CIA analysts had spent years “parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, [Ayman] Zawahiri. What they’d learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. …
“Their [the CIA’s] assessments, at day’s end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public [was] not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today’s conclusion: bin-Laden’s message was clearly designed to assist the President’s reelection."
WHO REALLY CARES WHAT AL QUEDA SAYS?!!?!?
They say they want us to stay and fight in Iraq- does THAT mean we should leave? I mean, if they want us to stay, aren't we giving them what they want?
Again, Al Queda hates ALL AMERICANS and are clearly trying to divide us against ourselves. Who cares what they think? They, not the Dems or the Republicans, are our REAL enemy!
Osama killed a bunch of liberals in the World Trade Center. Don't let your hatred of us exceed your hatred of the terrorists, Mark. They hate us equally as much, and it's a shame that you are in such a froth that you believe the things you do.
The Bush administration has had carte blanche for five years to destroy Al-queda, and they've only succeeded in making them stronger.
Must be why the eminently stronger AQ has been smashing our territory and killing our people all over the U.S. Why just yesterday, Dallas suffered three separate terrorist attacks.....ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Bin Laden himself, rifle in hand, led an attack against an oil installation in New Orleans...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Zarqawi managed to get a very skilled surgeon to turn him from jigsaw-puzzle back into a human being...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
The remaining one-third of the AQ leadership who hasnt been sent on a one-way trip to meet allah planted a black flag over the White House...ok ok, that didnt really happen.
Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.
What other course is there than to hunt down and destroy the terrorists? But hey, if you feel there is an alternative, such as....dialogue....with these savages, feel free to pursue that course. Good luck in '08.
Democrats want to pull out of Iraq. Al Qaeda is in Iraq.
Do you not think that they had a vested interest in Democrats winning?
Cyberactor,
Read Sun Tzu: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." It's no accident the head of Al Queda sounds a lot like Howard Dean. They've had the same objective for the last few years.
Axis,
You write:
"Rumsfield did cut and run. He resigned for purely political reasons, when the fact of the matter is that he should have stepped down far earlier for the good of the country and american people."
I'm surprised you found time to comment between your double feature of An Inconvenient Truth and Fahrenheit 911. When Republicans do what they sense to be right, you call them tyrants, Hitler, thwarting the will of the people. When they listen to the will of the people, you call them cowards. Face it, Bush is putting it on you. The Americans elected you libs, and if you have anxiety that they'll see you for who you are, you have reason to be concerned. Staying in office once you get in office requires more than bitching about the other guy not doing his job. Have a nice two years, chumps.
Al Queda wants us to stay in Iraq. They said so today- they obviously think it's great for recruiting and training terrorists.
I don't think we should base our foreign policy on what Al Queda "wants" us to do. Obviously, you guys disagree. . .
Of COURSE the savages said that, feeding their words right into the heart of the pre-election democratic promise to change course in Iraq.
Now the dems can run into the streets, shouting "AQ wants us to stay in Iraq, therefore we need to leave since we are just creating more terrorists!" How do we know? Well the terrorists said so, thats how, and of course we can always believe them.
The savages dont need an excuse to attack us, Americans have been dying at their hands for decades, and theyve been committing these attacks without the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq to use as an excuse. If you do the math properly, 2001 came before 2003.
It goes against every, single military lesson to say you want the enemy to live in your backyard, killing your trained men by the thousands and wrecking your infrastructure. The U.S. isnt alone in this fight either, the terrorists also have to contend with coalition troops and loyal Iraqi forces. If America left Iraq, all the savages could just head to Afghanistan to find more Americans to kill, so why make it tougher on themselves?
This speech is a crock, the savages are getting their ass kicked and are simply playing to the democrat's normal instincts in hopes of gaining a reprieve.
Coulterfan,
I know libs think that advocating the opposite of what the people you don't like (for instance, Bush) advocate is smart, nuanced, etc. And my history's a little fuzzy, but I don't remember us being in Iraq at the time of 9/11. So could it be remotely possible that the Islamic terrorists have the roots of their Islamic terrorism in the way Islam is taught to them? That is, could it possibly be the the roots of Islamic terrorism happen when they're in 4th grade and taught they can't be friends with infidels, or maybe it's when they're in 8th grade and taught that killing infidels is a path to heaven?
Could it possibly be the the Al Queda group (of which Bush destroyed 75% of its leadership) was active before Bush and before Iraq, for instance planning attacks against airliners flying over the Pacific, attacks in Saudi Arabia, attacks in Bali and against our World Trade Center perhaps in 1993? So could it be in a alternate universe, a world that seems bizarro when compared to that spoken of by prominent Democrats making their purely political calculations, in that world could it be that these terrorists may not only do the gross crimes of mass murder, but maybe they're capable of lying? Maybe?
Could it be considering Islamic terrorists have been acting like Islamic terrorists for several decades that it's not America's (or Bush's, or America in Iraq's) fault?
Savages!
[I]Hopefully, Democrats will now be able to help correct the course and find an acceptable solution to this mess the President created.[/I]
It's called "Dhimmitude," stupid.
http://jihadwatch.org/
On the plus side, Nancy Pelosi will look stunning in a burka...
And here's a shout out to all you wacky leftist libs who are currently crowing about how you're "back in the saddle again." Give it all you've got (which is pretty much empty), because the American public didn't vote [B]for[/B] the Democrats or liberalism. They voted [B]against[/B] the failed, hollow politicians who called themselves Conservative Republicans, but were largely spineless liberals who didn't understand the meaning of a mandate. Had they held true to Conservatism and acted like Conservatives in their votes, they'd still be
in Congress.
At least we all know what we're getting with Frau Pelosi and Herr Reid - a bunch of cynical opportunistic hacks that seek to undermine this country's foreign and domestic policies in favor of their socialist capital redistributionist objectives (communism). They seek bigger government, more government control of the individual, and an increase in dependency upon the government on the part of whole classes of the population. This "honeymoon" of "bipartisanship" that is currently being floated out there won't last more than a week, if that. Then the Dems will take off the mask and show us their true colors: green with envy, red with rage, and yellow when it comes to protecting this nation.
Have at it! Show us just how radical you can be. When you're through trashing the President, his Administration, the Troops and fellow patriots, make sure the Bush tax cuts expire (i.e., taxes rise sharply). That ought to be right about election time in 2008, right?...
This is ridiculous! You guys sit around wringing your hands trying to figure out what Al Queda "wants" us to do and basing your policy on that.
I, however, want to do what I think is best for America and for our security. We may disagree, but hopefully not because we're trying to figure out what the terrorists "want" us to do!
This whole "fight them over there so we don't fight them here" mantra doesn't make sense. I mean, Britain was attacked even while fighting them in Iraq, as was Spain- we are certainly not immune from attacks here.
I think we should beef up security at our ports, in our cargo planes, at our nuclear power plants and chemical plants, etc.
If I have mice in the house, I put traps INSIDE my house. I DON'T place traps at all my neighbors houses saying, "I want to fight the mice there, so I don't have to fight them here!" Sure, if I eliminated ALL the mice in the world that might work, but how realistic is THAT?
As a side note, how many of the 9-11 hijackers were from Iraq, or even trained in Iraq? None?!?!?!? Weren't MOST of them from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? I fear THEY might be our future enemies if we don't get off of middle eastern oil. After all, didn't we support Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War? Didn't we even sell them weapons? Bin Laden was an ally when fighting the Soviets. Our questionable allies have a way of turning into our worst enemies in the future. . .
If I have mice inside my house, I work like hell to keep them from getting inside, because I wont know the mice are here until I notice the Fritos bag has been chewed into. Sure, I could lay a trap, meanwhile the little guys are gnawing through my house wiring.
Men are not mice, they wont blindly step onto a trap just to get a piece of cheese; they will scheme and plan and observe, and be very much on guard for the trap itself. Waiting for them to come to us is called defense, and with the size of our borders we will take some serious damage in that kind of fight. Find them, hunt them, kill them somewhere else, and if the left werent wringing its hands, we could make it so very painful for them.
Yes, Iraq was once a defacto ally, so was Russia and China, once we were at war with our most dependable ally England. Hard times call for hard choices but times also change, we need to change with them or get swamped by the terrorists and their supporters.
You know what the terrorists would hate??
If we got entirely off of middle eastern oil and turned it into "yesterday's technology". Since that's the ONLY thing in that area of value, it would bankrupt the MOFOS and their corrupt MONARCHIES and DICTATORSHIPS and DEFUND the TERRORISTS!
Sounds like al-Muhajir understands the democrat party!
Not really, moonbat. When we were attacked on 9/11 we weren't even in Iraq. And Saddam (soon to be RIP, don't cry) was in league with the Islamofascist terrorists all along. Doesn't that bother you? No? Because BushLiedPeopleDied(TM).
Abu Hamza al-Muhajir is talking pretty big for a man that can't even use a cell phone without a 500lb bomb dropped on his ass. Talks all big about jihad, yet hides behind women and children.
You know Coulter, I actually agree with you that if we would stop buying their oil they'd be a lot easier to deal with. While they would still have funds (Because US isn't the ONLY purchaser of oil, especially with China running around.) at least we wouldn't be hit with our own money.
Which is why I'm for drilling in our own lands and opening up Oil Shale. Getting at these resources would be used to ween us away from middle east oil while we work on new technology. There's great promise in alternate fuels and energy sources but we're not there yet. We'll still need to use "traditional" energy sources for decades to come.
As for the Terrorisits they'll try to take advantage of any situation they can get. The fact that the Dems activly want to "Change Direction" in Iraq sounds great to those being hunted down under the current "direction." So of course they're happy for the Dem victory.
Now will the Dems "new Direction" improve things with Terrorism? Hmm? I'm not holding my breath because I bet it'll be more of a "See No Evil" style defense. I hope I'm wrong but...
Well said, Gozer.
Al Qaeda terrorists cheer the Democrats victory. We told you so.
Am I the alone in noticing that al Qaeda
messages have been given by every one of
their leaders, EXCEPT for Osama, recently?
When was the last direct msg from Bin Laden?
The French reported in september that Osama
was dead,immediately repudiated by BushCo.
I think that BushCo is just waiting for the
most politically opportune time to reveal
that the terrorist is dead.
Up to now, the relationship between Osama
and Bush has been symbiotic.
Tom,
I think you hit the nail on the head. Why is it that this sounds so much like that speech by the terrorist from True Lies ("We're cool, we're badasses, blah blah blah")? When we look at these terrorists, they suffer from identity crisis. They don't feel successful in living a peaceful, supportive life, and so they turn to an alternative where they're told they can be tough, be heroes of god.
It's not very different from the gang initiations in America. These are people who are not taught that compassion is the way (which, my lefty friends, isn't a belief limited to Christianity; it's also in Buddhism, the sammurai's Hagakure, and from many other cultures).
So they don't have any underlying ethical principles which value compassion. In the United States, schools don't teach the value of compassion, so when people aren't exposed to the idea they can be successful by supporting others, we get gang members. In the Middle East, the same people end up being drawn into terrorist organizations. I'm sure you'll be tempted to make a comparison with our military, lefty friends, but remember that our military has a code, and that code (besides the UCMJ) is the US Constitution which embraces human rights for everyone, as long as they allow human rights for those around them.
This is the genius of Bush's strategy. He's going in, changing things so that instead of suicide killers' families being rewarded with a bunch of cash by Saddam, they're not rewarded for blowing to bits little Israeli children. He's changing things so that they'll (even beyond those with satellite dishes) be exposed to media from different cultures with different value, including those that believe our nation has the potential for good. He's taking the billions and billions of dollars from oil sales out of Saddam's hands so that ordinary Iraqis have a chance to be successful, so that they'll have an identity, be worthy for their lives rather than their deaths.
But then we see David Letterman and others on TV, and they don't want America to win. That is so selfish, and it represents the void of compassion we could have expected when as a culture we stopped focusing on its value.
Coulterfan,
There's a difference between the problem of having rats in my house because there's a nest somewhere in the neighborhood, and having rats in my house and knowing it's because one of my neighbors raises mice because he doesn't like his neighbors and these mice spread the plague or other diseases to them. Our rat raising neighbors, Iraq and Afghanistan, were providing safe haven to terrorist rats so that they'd strike us, and rewarding the families of terrorist rats after they'd died spreading their plague. In America, if someone died from that kind of rat it would be named pre-meditated murder, and the ones who nursed the rat and filled it with disease so that it may poison their neighbors would be taken out of their house, and they would likely have their life ended.
England has NEVER been your most dependable ally BRITAIN has. Yes thats right all 4 countries that constitute Britain not just England.
You are right about the disgusting suicide bombers that kill wee Israeli kids but what about the disgusting murders of wee Palestinian kids? Just because they are under the guise of teh IDF does not make the blatent disregard for human life any better. What both sides in this war have to do is attempt to protect innocent life. I know that the militants from Palestine have killed 8 Israelis in 6 years with their Quassam Missiles which is contemptable but so are the unproportionate responses by the IDF 18 people in one day alone, I would love to believe that it was a technical error but there have been too many cover ups by the IDF and their flagrant disregard of UN resolutions. I also see John Boltons done the whitehouse proud rejecting yet another UN resolution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
You are right about the disgusting suicide bombers that kill wee Israeli kids but what about the disgusting murders of wee Palestinian kids? Just because they are under the guise of teh IDF does not make the blatent disregard for human life any better. What both sides in this war have to do is attempt to protect innocent life. I know that the militants from Palestine have killed 8 Israelis in 6 years with their Quassam Missiles which is contemptable but so are the unproportionate responses by the IDF 18 people in one day alone, I would love to believe that it was a technical error but there have been too many cover ups by the IDF and their flagrant disregard of UN resolutions. I also see John Bolton's done the whitehouse proud rejecting yet another UN resolution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.