These libs are shameless, using a war for political purposes. They should all be deported to France...

You know if they really wanted to make this petition thingy more above board they'd figure out a way to prove the credentials of those who sign.

My favorite petition to pull out on the global warming guys has a comprehensive list with credentials and back checking so you can look up who these folks are and prove they're really scientists. I'm sure there's a similar way to see if these folks would be on the military roles somewhere that's public information. *Shrugs*

THen again, the response to the pettion I've brought up is that "they're all paid off by the oil companies." Which I have to laugh because that's a lot of people being paid off across the country.

Amazing, simply amazing. A hand full of "self professed" Veterans say pull out and Dems deamnd they be heard.

But, in 2000, during the Florida recounts, it was Dems doing everything they could to deny counting Military absentee ballots.

You can always count on the Dems for this hypocrisy.

This just in: you dont always get what you want! News at 11.

So if I collect up 340 signatures from people who demand that abortion be outlawed, will we be heard? Will anything change? Can I expect change?

340...thats about half the size of my HS graduating class. Wow.

Leo,
I have to say I am very disappointed in your post. What you imply is that anyone in the military who disagrees with the way the war is being waged is some kind of ‘moon bat” or not part of the military. I can only tell you from personal experience that this implication is false. I have two daughters, both whom have served in Iraq. One of my daughters is on her second tour in Baghdad. Neither daughter supports this war or this president yet both have done their duty. My daughter Heather will not sign this petition because she is too busy doing 12 hour shifts in Baghdad guarding Iraqi interpreters, but that doesn’t mean she supports the war. I have several former students who have served or are serving in this war. I support them all whether they support the war or not. Please give all of our troops the same respect.

Great point, Lew Waters!

"They should all be deported to France..." by: 1H8L1BS

Ooooh! Not Fwance!
:)

Gee, Casper, why did your daughters join the military, then?

Me thinks I smell a rat...

Casper, it has been said, "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice..."

I have seen enough hijinx by the anti-war moonbat left in their never ending (and may I add, futile) attempts to gain credibilty with regard to the war and to national security.

Just follow who's sponsoring the site. I have a healthy distrust of anything sponsored by left-wing causes... especially a "petition" that leaves itself wide open to fraud.

And, just a little FYI--I have a son in Iraq right now--a son who supports the war and our President. I have a friend of mine that I've known since Kindergarten, who has done two tours of duty in Iraq, and just got back from a tour of duty in Afghanistan. He supports our President and the War. He also relates to me that the vast majority of his colleagues are of right mind.

Sorry--but the handful of troops who may oppose the mission most certainly pale in comparison with those who support the effort.

1H8L1BS
Both of my daughters joined the army in 1999 before Bush took office. Both served in Kosovo for seven months and both served in Iraq for 16 months, three months after the invasion as members of the 141st SIG BAT 1ST AD. Both joined because they love this country and they wanted to make a difference in the world.

Casper

It sounds as if you have raised courageous daughters with the integrity to stand up for what they believe and know is right. Congratulations.

Psycmeistr,
I know you are proud of your son as I am of my daughters. I feel that it is imperative that we have a strong army and I am thankful that our children are willing to serve. There are troops that support the war and those that don’t. All are doing their duty.

"The best thing that can happen right now is for one or both of our houses to go Democratic so we can have some oversight," Batiste, who led the Army's 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, told Salon. Batiste describes himself as a "lifelong Republican." But now, he said, "It is time for a change."

This man was had his feet on Iraqi soil. He has been there. He knows the unknown knowns. He's been out there rooting.

He is not in the cult of Bush.

Wise up.

I am currently an Airmen getting ready to deploy to Iraq in January. No way would I ever sign a petition that emboldens the enemy, gives them support and comfort knowing some Americans resolve is weak.

I am going over there to do my job for however long they need me there. I will bring the fight to the enemy if these military members are to weak to.

Raker, what gives the words of Batiste more weight than Franks, Casey, Pace and others?

Jonathan R. over at GOP Bloggers posts excerpts from a vital Washington Times editorial from Michael F. Scheuer, "a 22-year veteran with the CIA, created and served as the chief of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit at the Counterterrorist Center":

Washington Times: In a world where leading Western experts have consigned Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to near-irrelevant status, the gangly Saudi is on the verge of seeing the forces he leads and inspires knock off their third infidel government. Not bad for a guy running from rock to rock and cave to cave.

First was the defeat of Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's conservative government after the Islamists' 2003 attack on Madrid's train station. Spanish voters ousted that rarity, a European leader who recognized bin Laden led much more than a criminal gang, and that Islamists would have to be confronted and smashed with a heavy, prolonged application of Western military power...

Next down the drain was the government of Thailand via last month's military coup. After the coup, rumors of deposed Premier Thaksin Shinawatra's corrupt activities spread, but at base the Thai generals seized power because of the increasing intensity of the Islamist separatist revolt in Thailand's three Muslim-dominated southern provinces...

Bin Laden, his lieutenants and their allies are no doubt pleased by the destruction of the Spanish and Thai governments and the exhilarating message it sends to the worldwide Islamist movement: The infidels are weak, politically divided, terrified of using full military power and think we can be appeased. In short, war works; keep at it.

Even so, bin Laden, et. al, know the biggest prize looms just ahead — the chance that the Republican Party will be ousted from one or both houses of Congress...

If Americans vote for what sounds like sweet reason from the Democrats, bin Laden and company will rejoice. What they will hear is the death knell for any prospect of effective U.S. military resistance to militant Islam. With the Republicans out, the Islamists will be confident that Democrats will deliver the best of both worlds: less emphasis on military force and a rigid maintenance of U.S. foreign policies that are hated with passion and near-unanimity by 1.3 billion Muslims...

The combination of Democratic rhetoric and the indelible fact of the Clinton administration's relentless refusal to try to kill bin Laden — preferring to protect its Arab, arms-buying buddies at the cost of American corpses — ensures that voters will receive what Clinton-era Democrats are best at giving: barely disguised pacifism that has and will continue to allow al-Qaeda and its allies to steadily destroy U.S. security.
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Defend America! VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Both of my daughters joined the army in 1999 before Bush took office.

Well, shame on them for not expecting to be in the military and having the possibility of going to war. I only hope this deception doesn't tarnish their patriotism and love of their country; maybe someday they can be good libs, like their father.

Raker, what gives the words of Batiste more weight than Franks, Casey, Pace and others?

Lew, you know the answer to this rhetorical question, don't you? Batiste's views match those of raper13's, so it's only logical that raper13 is going to support Bush-hater Batiste. I'm sure raper13 also supports Cindy Sheehan-Fox, Michael J. Fox=Sheehan, and Wesley Clark. raker13 is a Bush-hating, kook-lover.

I hope this answers your question.

I have some serious issues with the driving forces behind "Appeals for Redress"...
Veterans for Peace, Military Families Speak Out, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Fenton Communications, etc.

Also Mr. Hutto - the leader of the group - was a rep for Amnesty International and has articles posted on www.albasrah.net (the Iraqi Resistance website) via the disgusting "GI Special".

http://chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/2006/10/appeal-for-redress-and-jonathan-huttos.html

America MUST WIN the GWOT! because Islam is slowly conquering Europe...

Germany: The Rape of Europe

BrusselsJournal.com: The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. “I am too old,” he said. However, he urged young people to get out and “move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.”

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.
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Ireland: Muslim Lawyer Wants To Fly the Black Flag of Islam over Parliament

BreakingNews.ie: The flag of Islam should be flown over Leinster House, an Islamic extremist said tonight. Speaking in Dublin before addressing a Trinity College debate, Anjem Choudray also reiterated controversial views that Muslim violence is justified in certain circumstances. The British-born lawyer, 39, angered the Irish Government last year when he said that Ireland risked becoming a target for a 9/11 style attack because it allowed US war planes to refuel at Shannon Airport.

Mr Choudray said: “As a Muslim, I believe Islam is superior to every other way of life and that it can resolve all the social and economic problems that Ireland suffers from."

“And as a symbol of that, the flag of Islam should be flown over the Dáil."

[..]Mr Choudray, who has visited Ireland several times, was invited by the Philosophical Society at Trinity College to debate Islamic violence with other speakers.
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Britain: Academics to Promote Understanding of Islam

Scotsman.com: UNIVERSITIES offering Islamic studies are failing to meet the needs of Britain's multi-cultural society, according to a report by Scots-based academics. Experts at the Al-Maktoum Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies in Dundee looked at 55 higher-education departments in the UK, including six in Scotland, and concluded that they were not doing enough to promote understanding of Islam. They say that in the wake of the London bombings in July 2005, there is "an urgent need" to look for better ways of understanding religious differences.
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By "understanding" of Islam, Islamists actually mean submission to Islam.

1H8L1BS
“Well, shame on them for not expecting to be in the military and having the possibility of going to war. I only hope this deception doesn't tarnish their patriotism and love of their country; maybe someday they can be good libs, like their father.”

What makes you think they didn’t expect to go to war? My daughter Heather has reuped twice because she likes her job, she’s good at it and she feels an incredible loyalty to her fellow soldiers. And don’t call me a lib. I’ve been a republican for 23 years. I don’t care for Clinton, Gore, or Kerry. That doesn’t mean I have to support this administration or their policies.

Casper,

A “thank you” for your daughters’ service and sacrifices. They are part of a special group of individuals (the military) without whom America would not be the great country that it is.

Just out of curiosity, would you care to post what their objection or disagreement is with the way the war is being waged? Certainly in hind sight there are a bushel of shoulda, woulda, coulda’s. There are also a good many issues that complicate each and every step. Even with full knowledge of everything provided to the war room for observation, discussion and determination of appropriate action, it would be very difficult to accurately project the results each decision. I feel those in charge have the heavy responsibility and bear a certain burden for every decision they make that few of us could understand. They know they’re not always right and when they make mistakes I’ve no doubt that it affects them personally.

I wouldn’t suggest for a second that your daughters or any other soldier doesn’t have a legitimate concern for how the war is being waged. I try to listen with an openness and honesty that allows us all to achieve the highest level of success possible. But what I refuse to swallow is the negativity thrown by the left used only for political gain. They lie, slander, distort and even engage in treasonous acts against the very people like your daughters who provide them the protection and liberty to do their dirty deed.

The problem true Americans face is “How do we win the war against terrorism”. That statement suggests a collective force for a common good. The problem the left face is “How do we regain power”. That statement suggests the ends justify the means and everyone is a fair target (see Lieberman) until we achieve what we want (sounds too close to what the terrorist want doesn’t it?).

Based on what you’ve said, I believe you and your daughters are proud Americans with both the right and obligation to speak up when you have knowledge of wrong doing or a better way to achieve safety, stability and success for America and her allies. By all means, please let us know what your daughters’ issues are. We need solutions to each and every task and that can only be achieved with dialogue. What we don’t need is destructive and less then worthless anger with no honest thought, direction or answer.

Casper, thanks for your perspective. I have had students who come back gung-ho and others who are totally disillusioned. Some joined because they didn't have many other opportunities, some because of patriotism. They all love their families and friends and most said they hated all the killing they witnessed and/or particpated in but they are doing it, they are NOT deserters or ducking service. Say what you will they are TAKING HOSTILE FIRE for all of us, unlike BUSH, CHENEY, CLINTON, ROVE etc...

Casper, thanks for your perspective. I have had students who come back gung-ho and others who are totally disillusioned. Some joined because they didn't have many other opportunities, some because of patriotism. They all love their families and friends and most said they hated all the killing they witnessed and/or particpated in but they are doing it, they are NOT deserters or ducking service. Say what you will they are TAKING HOSTILE FIRE for all of us, unlike BUSH, CHENEY and ROVE (or Clinton, but Iraq isn't Clinton's war).Three days a week I stop and pray for ten minutes for all of the people who's live have been destroyed by this war, starting with all the children who will never know their heroic fathers and mothers. Since this summer every session makes the tears flow

Gray, be sure to also pray for the children and families of the destruction of 9-11, from the twin towers, to the pentagon, to the downed plane in PA. Both, those who died in the plane crashes to those who heroically attempted rescue operations and everyone in between.

BUT, be sure to pray in thanks for the brave men and women who continue to protect America. Pray in thanks for the millions of people who have a new life and a chance at freedom due to the efforts of America and her allies. Pray in thanks for an Administration with integrity and backbone to make the right choice in difficult times. Pray in thanks that America has not had another intentional act of terrorism against her were 100’s or 1,000’s or 10,000’s or more are killed, where even under these trying times we can still live in relative freedom, safety and prosperity.

Pray in thanks for all of the lives that could have been destroyed if we did nothing, are safe. This is what we fight for. To do nothing would surely invite the destruction of a great many more innocent lives than we could imagine. Pray in thanks as well as in sorrow.

Hey Gray, are Bush, Cheney, Rove, et.al., supposed to "suit up" and join the troops? You sound like a talking point, i.e., a waste of my time. So I won't waste any more on you.

And don’t call me a lib. I’ve been a republican for 23 years.

Yeah? You're a Republican? La-dee-da, so are Lincoln Chafee, Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins. And they're libs, Casper; just like you. Being a lib isn't necessarily a bad thing; even though 1H8L1BS, I'm no threat to you.

And is your daughter's job, the one she reenlisted for, military specific? Well, God bless her for staying in and doing it. However, bear in mind that the President, whoever he or she may be, is the CINC, and while in the military, your daughter is required to obey the orders of the CINC. I had to do the same while serving under two slimeballs--Carter and Clinton, so I know the score.

Now have yourself a nice liberal Republican evening...

You know, Casper, Leo seems like the kind of guy who says exactly what he means. So I doubt that he is "trying to imply" anything. You'd be a lot better off just addressing what he says and not trying to pretend he said something he didn't.

Maybe Gray can come up with a war in which the president and the cabinet fought. War of 1812? Civil War? WW One? WW Two? Korea? Viet Nam? I'm trying to remember JFK actually LEADING our troops into Viet Nam, but all I can come up with is an image of him sitting in the White House and making a presidential decision. Maybe Gray has some info on how Harry Truman actually piloted the Enola Gay.

Isn't there a way to screen for vapidity and pathological silliness, so we can talk about real issues without this goofy interjection of Airhead talking non-points?

I keep remembering the last anti-war movement put together by soldiers and veterans. Anyone else remember the Winter Soldier campaign?

There were all these people in military garb, mostly ratty old cammies and campaign ribbons, who looked like they had, as we say out here, "been rode hard and put up wet". They marched, they signed petitions, and once they even threw all their hard-earned medals over the White House fence because they were so ashamed of what they had had to do to earn them, and of the government which had handed them out, that they wanted to "return" them.

They had a leader, a gen-you-wine Viet Nam hee-ro, as their spokesman. He made an impassioned speech to Congress in which he laid bare the vileness of the war in Viet Nam, describing the horrors, the atrocities, the general corruption, that he himself had not only seen EVERY DAY HE WAS THERE but had also even participated in.

It was all quite gripping.

Except for a few minor points. Most of the "soldiers" and "veterans" had never even been in the military, or if they had been had not seen combat in Viet Nam---or anywhere else. The uniforms they wore were purchased, as were their medals. When they threw medals over that fence, the medals had been bought in searches which scoured thrift stores and surplus stores in several cities, for that very purpose. The testimony given was later found to be false--indluding that of their hee-ro, the infamous John F. Kerry, who simply lied under oath to Congress in his efforts to undermine the American will to fight.

(This hee-ro was later so beloved of the radical Left that they voted for him in droves, either uncaring of his self-admitted past as a war criminal or of his perjury and treachery. Because it had to have been one or the other.)

So pardon me if I ignore this latest effort at convincing the American public that the military hates the war, hates the President, and thinks we should just quit. Been there, done that, and burned the T-shirt.

DM

While you are praying, how about a prayer for the thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq who have died since the invasion & occupation by American led forces.

Lew, you know the answer to this rhetorical question, don't you?

1H8L1BS, of course I know the answer. I was curious if a liberal would actually admit it, though. From the response (or lack of), they won't.

From an interview in the current (December 2006) edition of Viet Nam Magazine, page 26 to 33, retired Marine Colonel Harvey C. Barnum, Medal of Honor winner and current Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Reserve Affairs;

VN: As with Vietnam, the ultimate success or failure of the United States' Iraqi invasion depends on the Iraqis-how viable a democratic government they are able to establish and maintain. Are you optimistic that there will come a point when the United States can afford to withdraw its forces from that country?

Barnum: It's very important that we get out of Iraq when the Iraqis are prepared to take over on their own security. You know, there are 18 districts, and 13 of them are in good shape. Three of them are bad, but many of them are ready to be turned over to Iraqi security forces, which will allow U.S. forces to pull back. So success is being realized, but it will take time. That's the reason the insurgents keep this chaos up-those IEDs [improvised explosive devices] and ambushes. There's no military sense to it, they just kill civilians hoping that the United States and the coalition forces will finally say, 'That's enough, we're out of here." But I don't believe that's going to happen.

CO, While you are praying, how about a prayer for the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq who were slaughtered, often after brutal torture, for the ENTERTAINMENT of the Iraqi elite, before the invasion & occupation by American led forces freed the country from such threats.

Almiranta

Why in the world would you want to be compared to an evil SOB like Saddam? Why in the world do you want to match his record for death & destruction?
Why in the world when Saddam was toppled didn't you have a plan for peace in Iraq? You know, take the bastard out so no more Iraqi people would be slaughtered under his rule. So now, instead of innocent victims dying under Saddam, we have them dying under American occupation. Good work!!

DM and IH8l1Bs,
The soldiers are told to weed out the "terrorist". In a neighborhood of 100 houses there are 2 filled with terrorists. Our Marines and soldiers (sons, daughters, mothers and fathers) are told to find the terrorists. They MUST knock down every door, they MUST handle everyone as if they are a threat, they must shoot first in tough situations. After their actions they may capture/kill the terrorist, but many innocents are going to die and some terrorist will escape. I blame people who didn't go when it was their turn(Bush, CHeney)for sending people into an impossible situation. I feel a war vet would understand this.George H.W. Bush understood(I voted for him BECAUSE he was a patriot-shot down twice). Iraqi mothers love their children like I love mine. Most did not hate the US before and labeling their childrens death as collateral damage is no comfort. I cry for them and I cry for us. I am strong I cry for the weak (poor Iraqis) and the powerless(troops following faulty orders).

Well, once again, for the umpteenth time, CO simply does not make any sense. Now THERE'S a news flash, ain't it??!!

On the other hand, his skewed perspective of what is actually written, his inability to process what is said and his strange and deluded comprehension of what is actually going on around him does explain a lot.

No one, sweetie, wants to be compared to Sadaam. Take a deep breath, find your binkie, and chill out. I suggested that prayers for the hundreds of thousands whose deaths had no more meaning that entertainment for savage psychopaths would be in order, as they died for nothing, and certainly not in a battle for freedom.

But you see, in this country many of us revere those whose deaths occurred during struggles for freedom, rights, or simple human dignity, even if they were not actually particpating actively in the struggle.

You see, in this country we think freedom and human rights and human dignity are important and worth fighting for, and we understand that in any such epic struggle innocents will be lost as well as combatants. So while we grieve for them, and pray for them, we understand that their lives were not lost in the pursuit of something vicious, or silly, or meaningless.

But I do understand that as a citizen of a country which never had to fight for freedom you cannot be expected to really understand the differences between the two. (Although I have known many Canadians who DO get it, and who refer to your type as, among other things, "Those toffee-nosed fairies over in Keh-bec".)

So it is important to pray for, and remember, those whose lives were taken for no good reason at all, whose existence on this earth was destroyed merely because some twisted people found it entertaining to do so.

Maybe someday you will be able to understand the difference---but for now, I'd work on just being able to understand the written word, and on being able to process what is actually said, instead of dumping everything into the OC filter and treating whatever comes out as fact. 'Cause that's not's working very well for you....

gray, did you vote for Clinton? How about Kerry? How about Gore?

If you could vote for Kerry and/or Gore, in spite of the NATURE or QUALITY of their military service, how could you fault the nature and quality of W's service?

He entered a legitimate branch of the United States military, a branch with a record of courageous defense of this country. He volunteered for extremely hazardous training to accomplish an extremely hazardous duty. He volunteered to go to Viet Nam. He executed his military duties with honor and dignity, and recieved high accolades from his commanding officers. He was repeatedly sent out, flying a very dangerous airplane known to be difficult to fly, to intercept unknown aircraft approaching the country. He accumulated more than three times the number of credits needed to satisfy his military requirements for a full six years. The time he spent as a full-time pilot trainee, assigned to the Air Force, was about twice as much time as John Kerry spent in uniform during his entire military "career".

Yet you don't seem to feel uncomfortable ridiculing his legal and honorable service.

By the time Viet Nam came along, Cheney was married and had two children, and was a full time college student. He was not even eligible for the draft. If the military had wanted to take husbands and fathers, they would have included them in the draft. They did not.

On the other hand, military history is full of stories of men who did serve, and who served badly, who were bad soldiers and sailors, who had extemely poor judgement, who were of poor character, who were not leaders.

It seems the height of silliness to attribute qualities of decency, honor, intelligence, courage and/or leadership merely on the basis of having served only in what the Left has chosen to define as "acceptable" military service.

Yes, we all grieve for the tragedy that is war. But it is not rational to blindly buy into the hyper-emotional appeals that pervade the propaganda of the radical Left.

Part of that propaganda is that we are hated by all Iraqis. And another part is that we somehow deserve to be hated because of what we do.

Those forunate enough to have spent our lives in the ease, comfort, and safety of the United States lack the perspective of those who have lived their lives in brutal, savage, and constantly perilous conditions. We did not march heedlessly into a safe, secure, happy country, which was then thrust into chaos and tragedy and loss. What we did was march into a country defined by brutality, daily brutality inflicted on its citizens at random, a country with no freedom and worse, no hope for freedom. And although we have made mistakes, we have brought hope with us.

Ask Iraqis if they want us to leave, and they say "yes". But ask them the REAL question, which is WHEN do they want us to leave, and they overwhelmingly say "not until we are ready to rule ourselves".

But you see, in this country many of us revere those whose deaths occurred during struggles for freedom, rights, or simple human dignity, even if they were not actually particpating actively in the struggle.

You see, in this country we think freedom and human rights and human dignity are important and worth fighting for, and we understand that in any such epic struggle innocents will be lost as well as combatants. So while we grieve for them, and pray for them, we understand that their lives were not lost in the pursuit of something vicious, or silly, or meaningless.

But I do understand that as a citizen of a country which never had to fight for freedom you cannot be expected to really understand the differences between the two. (Although I have known many Canadians who DO get it, and who refer to your type as, among other things, "Those toffee-nosed fairies over in Keh-bec".)

Posted by: Almiranta at October 28, 2006 10:19 PM

What sanctimonious crap! The U.S. of A has no right to sacrifice even one innocent person in this so-called fight for freedom. Iraqi citizens living outside the green zone do not have the freedom to go about their daily business without the fear of never returning to their loved ones. Why can't you admit that you screwed up big time and have made Iraq a very dangerous & volatile place in which to live.

Canada did not need to fight for independence as we peacefully negotiated it. We do not invade and occupy other nations but when the call comes as in World War I & World War II our brave men & women serve their country with valor. So please do not show your ignorance by disparaging those who gave their lives for our Country.

"Canada did not need to fight for independence as we peacefully negotiated it."

Actually, you peacefully asked for it, and it was handed to you. Wow. So impressive.

And I know full well how bravely the Canadians fought in both world wars, and how highly regarded your military is today. Have you been to Normandy? Have you seen the cliffs scaled by the valiant Canadians in the assault? I have. I have studied the contributions made by Candians to peace in our time. And I have yet to find a reason to include you in that group.

As snivelly and appeasement-oriented as you are, I doubt that you have ever defended the Canadian military till now. So at least I have accomplished something.

Which is why I have such a hard time reconciling a delusional pacifist appeasing weenie with the great Canadians I know of, and know personally. The thing is, most Canadians realize how really rude and low class it is make such hostile and disparaging comments about another country.

I responded to you. But you CHOSE to seek out a web site that is not in your country, not about your country, and not related to your country. And then you CHOSE to be snide, hostile, rude, and classless in continuing to attack us.

You don't have to worry about what we do. It's none of your business. Stay home and find something productive to do with your silly little life. You have never contributed one single thing of value on this blog, but have merely regurgitated the nastiest, vilest, most negative and disgusting lies spread by the radical extremist Left

We discuss politics because this IS our country, and this IS our business. We are not intruding in Canadian politics. We observe froma distance, but we don't assume that we have the right to march into your country, even electronically, and tell you how to run it. Too bad you don't have the same courtesy or class.

And until you pull your head out of your hienie, you will continue to "observe" the same old same old that you keep presenting to us as something worthwhile.

Wrong again....

Almiranta

I only wish that American foreign policy affected your country and no other. The unfortunate truth is, however, that whatever disasters you create throughout the world, ultimately it will impact those of us on the permineter, whether we like it or not. So, we have a duty to speak out and remind the U.S. that you are not the sole inhabitants of this planet and every decision you make is not always the right one. No one, even the great U.S. of A is infallible. By the way, Almiranta, if Canada were committing the same errors as the U.S., I would expect you to voice your concerns also.

“…ultimately it will impact those of us on the permineter, whether we like it or not.”

On the perimeter? I was under the impression that Canada was an ACTIVE participant in this WOT. In fact I think Freedom1 had a recent post that said an Al Qaeda group has threatened Canada with bombings similar to Madrid if they didn’t leave the Mid East.

As I understand it President Bush asked many countries to join in the fight against terrorism. Some countries said “no thanks”, others said “yes, but on a limited basis” and still other said “yes, we will commit how and where we can”. That I know of the US didn’t threaten anyone with war or bombing if they don’t help or do their part.

NO ONE however gets to sit on the perimeter. Either you take an active stance against the terrorist and put evil in its place -OR- you wait your time out as the radical elements enter and transform your country into something totally different from what it is now. You do NOT get to sit and watch the show, turn off the TV and get back to life as usual. Only a naïve fool would believe; do nothing and nothing will happen. And “negotiating” with terrorist who have loudly proclaimed with both their words and their actions to kill or enslave you, will get you the same results as if you did nothing, killed or enslaved.

Thank God for the brave men and women of the US and Canada and all of our allies who fight against evil.

“DM
While you are praying, how about a prayer for the thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq who have died since the invasion & occupation by American led forces.” CO

I do as well as in thanks for the millions of men, women and children in Iraq who are alive since America and her allies removed a brutal dictator. Not only are they alive but their lives are far better. They have newfound freedoms, new schools (especially for girls & women) and other infrastructure providing clean water, electricity and a chance for financial prosperity.

It appears you only see the doom and gloom. While I too see the horrors of war, my focus is on the greater good being achieved that makes this effort worth undertaking. Seems like a good many soldiers also agree as is evident by their reenlistment.