LMAO! Counseling? You suck down hook, line and sinker all that W and is criminal horde dishj out and you daresay someone else needs counselling. You poor FOOL!

Geez, LIBS, ya gotta love 'em. I can just see our resident trolls nodding their heads in agreement. Can you imagine their reaction if a Conservative were to suggest that he have an educational Nuremberg in which educators are held accountable for their crass disregard for the education of our children? Hey, actually that doesn't sound like a half-bad idea. (just kidding)

another example - tonite I'm attending a meeting re thinning the (way overpopulated) deer herd in the cuyahoga valley national park located between akron & cleveland.

some years back, animal extremists (cousins to environ extremists) blocked sharpshooters thinning the herd. the out-of-state extremists used a federal suit claiming no environmental impact study had been conducted. course, it's entirely irrevelant, one presumes, that states sanction annual deer hunting seasons all w/o such impact studies...imagine that.

nonetheless, the herd thinning was blocked...w completely predictable results...which were forewarned.

since there's no natural predators to contain the deer overpopulation (300% too large), the herd has clear-cut the park's fauna & expanded beyond the amount of food available. plus, the creek & stream banks have been trampled to mush causing flooding & erosion. and lets don't even get into the increase of vehicle/deer impacts.

now, here comes ol' jack frost & the way-overpopulated herd is facing mass starvation...which the environ extremists must view as utterly cruel...& utterly predictable.

so, I'm going to the meeting to hear the extremists, predictably, exhort the park service to purchase feedstock for this overpopulated herd which will (predictably) lead too...(cue the drumroll) YET MORE OVERPOPULATION!

oh yea, & the plea for deer birth-control bait which has been tried and...predictably failed.

meanwhile the herd could easily be thinned by 10 -15 thousand animals which can feed the homeless shelters this winter. but no I say, let the herd starve to death now that the fauna's been stripped bare.

maybe we should thin the environmental herd instead. it would prove humane for the deer....but, darnit, we lack an impact study.

They used to hang folks at Nuremberg.

Killing people who won't quietly submit to their whims is perfectly normal behavior for the Left.

Leftists are hazards to Human life. When may we start to deal with them as such?

Oh, and Michael Savage declaring that Madeleine Albright is a "traitor" who "should be tried for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung" and "when she is hung, maybe the other quislings in our government will get the message that we're going to crack down on them" is what?

Re:Blogs for Bush

You should not be surprised at idiots on the left making extreme remarks..... The right has them also.... Just look at your yourself in the mirror.

those of a different opinion are deliberately and with malice aforethought sabotaging efforts to halt global warming.

Um, you are apparently unaware that exactly that is happening.

Here's one example. In August 2006, the Wall Street Journal revealed that a YouTube video lampooning Gore and the movie "An Inconvenient Truth", appeared to be astroturfing by DCI Group, a Washington PR firm with ties to ExxonMobil as well as the Republican Party.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2299550,00.html

Wow...

You know, Mark, there is pretty much the same amount of hate on both sides... listen to Savage, read Coulter, watch Hannity...read this blog... and you will see a similar amount of political "bigotry". So the question isn't which side is more bigoted; it is which side's bigotry do you sympathize with...

Nuremberg-style war crimes trials for skeptics of human caused catastrophic global warming

Huh? I thought the left was all in favor of the right to "dissent". It's the "highest form of patriotism", they tried to tell us. Apparently, though, it's only dissent against Bush and other righties that they support.

I apologize for my fellow liberals display of anger, but at least their eliminationist rhetoric includes a trial. We are being consistent in applying due process - something that Coulter and Savage and Bush distain.

Just wait for the trials your fearless leader and his lap dogs are going to have to endure when Dems take control! We can throw the shrub in jail, torture him, and because of the treasonous nature of his crimes, can hold him forever. Ha! That idiot will learn that habeus corpus really is useful.

"The more I see and hear the left these days, the more in favor of socialised medicine I become - it's the only way I can think of to pay for the massive amount of psychological counseling it will take to bring these people back to reality."

Mark, that's a noble sentiment, but I don't think there's any amount of psychological counseling that will bring the hard left back to reality. An important ingredient for successful therapy is the patient's capacity to feel shame, and hard lefties just don't have it. They're essentially untreatable. Save your tax money for something that might actually help Western civilization survive -- like school vouchers and a missile defense system.

Actualy, that book doesn't talk about global-warming "skeptics"--it's about people who believe in global warming but are hiding and faking the evidence demonstrating its existence.

Democrats would make Hitler proud!

You have to watch it here. This stupid comment was NOT given by Gore or Moyers, but a moronic "journalist" with a whacked out agenda. There are a few of those on the conservative side as well,
and we don't pay them any mind either. I find it a little misguided to take the words of an idiot and paint the entire party with that brush. Don't you get mad when the Democrats try to lambast the Republican party for the things that Foley did? If so, then I would kindly ask for you to tone down the rhetoric on here, too.

Wow CJ, a hitler comparison on the 5th message in a thread? Your Godwin quotient must be very high. Funny that Hitler would have been tried at nuremburg, not running nuremburg, but whatever.

What's the problem here? If you are so convinced that global warming is a hoax (perpetrated by the majority of climatologists worldwide), why would you fear these trials?

I mean, if global warming isn't going to happen, there won't be any trials!

On the other hand, if global warming DOES indeed happen, then those who so fervently denied it will have put everyone at great risk, and will be responsible for those deaths that could have been prevented.

Chill out guys... if the great international conspiracy to convince people of global warming in an effort to make conservatives look evil and punish the west for being profitable is for real, then you have nothing to worry about!

What's funny is that you don't seem to understand how MAKING STUFF UP TO COUNTER SCIENCE IN A WAY THAT COULD RESULT IN DEAD PEOPLE is very, very, wrong. If we find out someone did that...I do hope they hang.

One final thought, and this is something the Chinese have figured out to great effect:

Sufficitantly advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

That's why China executes leaders whose incompetence leads to people dying. In china, nagin, landreu and brownie would have all been executed.

If you want hateful blogs, just nip on over to Kos or DU. This site is not even close to the vile spew that serves for discussion over there.

To suggest that this site is of the same ilk is ridiculous and just plainly false.

How dare you compare liberals to Hitler!

Hitler was a piker compared with the heroes of the left; Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro. These guys knew how to kill people for dissention!

"Drive an SUV, will ya'? LISTO ~ PUNTO ~ FUEGO!"

Frawg, I don't listen to, watch or read Savage, Coulter or Hannity. Can you provide a link/s to where any of those three have advocated trying and hanging those who disagree with them?

I know that Coulter has called for killing before. I pray for the day when this 'liberal'/'conservative' mudslinging ends and we can get some real dialog going. Both sides are guilty of putting party over country and this has to stop.

Don't distort what was said. The writer did not advocate putting dissenters on trial. He said that when the effects of global warming are devastating the earth, presumably to the detrmiment of the lives and livelihoods of many people, those in the "denial industry" deserve punishment. This is reasonable. The only skeptics at this point are people on Exxon's payroll and some marginalized, washed up scientists like William Grey. Those who took money to muddy the waters regarding the consensus on this issue will have blood on their hands. The denial industry isn't merely a group of people with honest, dissenting opinions, but rather dishonest people making money by lying and preventing necessary action.

P.S. Spook - Savage just last week called for the hanging of Madeline Albright because she dared to negotiate with Kim Jong Il. Not sure if hanging is Coulter's preferred method, but she has called for poisoning Justice Stevens, indiscriminately carpet bombing half a continent, and assassinating Bill Clinton.

Spook, how about

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee"

or a column title of hers, referring to Lincoln Chafee,

They Shot the Wrong Lincoln

or

No liberal has to have security. Though I'd like to change that

or, regarding responses to liberals

I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days

Does anybody seriously think she means this stuff? No, she's just a tramp. But very vew liberals, even the wacko ones, look worse. At Neuremberg, even the Nazis were given trials before being fed their creme brulee. Ann wouldn't bother with such formatlities.

"In [Mr. Noonan]'s line of thinking, it isn't just a difference of opinion on [how to combat terrorism], but that those of a different opinion are deliberately and with malice aforethought sabotaging efforts to halt [terrorism]."

I love how the opinion of some minor magazine's staff editor suddenly becomes the opinion of every single person on the left.

You sir, are about as dishonest as our president and vice president who, if you disagree with their failed policies or point out their blatant lies are "helping the terrorists."

What's next? Are you going to claim that because one German was a Nazi, all Germans are Nazis? Or maybe you'll say all blacks are criminals because one black person is a criminal? Oh, I know, this one is probably right up your alley - because one woman chooses to have an abortion, all women want to kill their babies.

Your ridiculous logic and flat out lies are the reason people are abandoning the Republican party in droves. Keep up the good work!

Jim;
I agree with you about 80% of what you said... Coulter is crazy and the Nazis did get trials.

However... i disagree with you saying "But very vew(sic) liberals, even the wacko ones, look worse."

I disagree... I've read on the Daily Kos from people who said they had wished the documentary "Death of a President" were true... that's called wishing someone dead.

Or how they actually say Bush was worse than Hitler or Saddam or insert any horrible dictator here... think about that seriously.

How about these wacko liberals:
Former Vice President Al Gore referred to GOP activists as "brown shirts."

Newsday columnist Hugh Pearson likened the Republican National Convention to the "Nazi rallies held in Germany during the reign of Adolf Hitler."
Linda Ronstadt said that the Republican victory on Election Day meant "we've got a new bunch of Hitlers."
Chuck Turner, a Boston city councilor, smeared National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice as "a tool of white leaders," like "a Jewish person working for Hitler."

And several of these people were ELECTED leaders...so indeed, they are not only your spokespeople, but your leaders.

“Is God Green?” No, but I bet he would be RED, as in mad, if the dims ever control Congress and appoint more judges that don't mind laws that allow killing babies.

a mindset which holds that opposition to leftist opinion isn't just wrong, but is deliberately evil.

This from a guy who holds that "liberalism" isn't just wrong, but is by nature completely against deceny, American principles, and god.

You have no self-awareness, Noonan, and I kind of hope you never get any. If you did, your unintentional comedy rating would plummet, and that's no fun.

Hey!! give David Roberts a brake. He is just taking a page out of the Ann Coulter school of self promotion and irrational marketing.

It works. The loud- mouth- empty- head blond from the Right has made a career out of using outrageous remarks to gain notoriety and fame.

The question here shold be why do we pay so much attention to people that simply have nothing coherent to say.

Why don't we instead talk about the rational individuals (Like thousands and thousands of scientists) around the world that can give any doubter ample proof of global warming.

To much for your simple minded audience on the Right to handle?

Spook,

No doubt there are plenty of lefty wackos out there. And the "Death of a Presidnet" idiots are worse than Coulter, mostly becuase Ann always advocates killing with a smile on her face. The lefty kooks are more angry and more serious about killing; Ann just likes killing as a simple pleasure in life.

But the ones who say "Bush is Hitler" sound to me no different than "Lefties are Terrorists", which, if I'm not mistaken, is a pretty common theme around here. And these folks, on both sides, are a completely different bunch than those who advocate killing.

Look at these two posts above:

Leslie Bates: Leftists are hazards to Human life. When may we start to deal with them as such?

and

CJ: Democrats would make Hitler proud!

There is little in CJ's comment that offensive (unless you have had members of your family gassed to death en masse at Auschwitz). But Leslie's advocacy of "dealing" with liberals is just vile.

It is interesting that we see such garbage from the right in a post about garbage from the left, as if nullifying Mark's original, valid post. Mark and Matt seem highligly reasonable in everything they say...it's just too bad they point to the worst of the left but tacitly support the same on the right.

Does anybody seriously think she means this stuff? No, she's just a tramp. But very vew liberals, even the wacko ones, look worse. At Neuremberg, even the Nazis were given trials before being fed their creme brulee. Ann wouldn't bother with such formalities.

Like, I said, Jim, I'm not an Ann Coulter fan, but do you not see a conflict between the two bolded statements?

But the ones who say "Bush is Hitler" sound to me no different than "Lefties are Terrorists"

Jim, you can scour the archives of this site going back to early 2004, and I don't believe you find where I've ever said this, but I do find it interesting that Leftists and Terrorists share the almost identical talking points. Probably just a coincidence.

Ann just likes killing as a simple pleasure in life.

Sounds like YOU take her seriously.

Wouldn’t life be a whole lot easier we all just segregated people into “those that have proven themselves to subscribe to my values” and “those that don’t”? Then we’d just honestly support our “best guys” instead of having to use pretzel logic and manufactured enemies to keep from going bonkers. But then human politics and integrity ever rarely ever mixed and “real” good guys have usually wound up getting nailed to crosses. Never mind.

When the only person that left wing radical kooks like Jim can quote is Ann Coulter they have lost the arguement. We can quote hundreds of democrats from Charlie Rangel calling Bush "Bull Conner" (who happened to be a democrat) to Cynthia McKinney who said that Bush knew about 9-11 beforehand. These are (were) democrat leaders. Did I mention Harry Reid calling Bush a liar and a loser all the while being involved in an illegal land deal?

The intellectual dishonesy by people like Jim is stunning. Do they even see the blantant hypocrisy in their comments? These kooks actually put a pundit like Ann Coulter on the same level as high ranking democrat officials like Reid, Rangel, and Gore. They also attempt to put Coulter on the same plane as Juliane Malvoux(sp?) who stated she hoped that Justice Thomas's wife would kill him. She's supposed to be an objective journalist. It's so sad and pathetic that they're not intellectually capable of seeing how silly they look.

Yeah, I also disagree whole-heartedly with the idea of Nuremburg style trials for the paid industry flunkies who make a profession out of global warming denial.

You see, Nuremburg was far too fair and just, with far too many rights afforded to the accused. What I'd like to see is for the newly enacted Bush ideas about "justice" be applied. Send those schills straight down to Gitmo indefinitely - no habeus corpus, no right to know the charges, no lawyer.

(the above written in the spirit of good old Fox/Anne Coulter fun) :)

This from Senator Inhofe. This just shows the silliness that is the global warming alarmists.

Here is a quote from Newsweek magazine:

"There are ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production- with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth."

A headline in the New York Times reads: "Climate Changes Endanger World's Food Output."

Here is a quote from Time Magazine:

"As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval."

All of this sounds very ominous. That is, until you realize that the three quotes I just read were from articles in 1975 editions of Newsweek Magazine and The New York Times, and Time Magazine in 1974. http://time-proxy.yaga.com/time/archive/printout/0,23657,944914,00.html

They weren't referring to global warming; they were warning of a coming ice age.

Stop Global Wobble

I guess I'm a liberal -- and I just thought the excerpt originally quoted sounded interesting. Strip out the rhetoric about Nuremberg (which started a whole not very useful Hitler/Nazi thread) -- and what such trials (or, if you will, lawsuits) would represent is accountability, which seems fairly non-partisan.

There have, in the past, been environmental cases -- just not on a global scale (Erin Brockovich, A Civil Action, being the pop-culture references I can pull off the top of my head). And there have been lawsuits against the cigarette industry. I'm sure the defendants in all the cases pled ignorance -- but at some point, that excuse shouldn't work.

Now, I realize that there still exists some debate about global climate change -- and debate of the science questions doesn't seem to belong here. But the idea of accountability -- and accountability via the legal system -- that's the question that is raised and, I believe, deserves some consideration.

"narrow minded, hate-filled bigotry of the left - a mindset which holds that opposition to leftist opinion isn't just wrong, but is deliberately evil."

I'm progressive/leftist with some pro military/defence opinions (Afghanistan = righteous, Iraq = stupid hubris, North Korea = what are we waiting for oh yea, Iraq) and also views on preserving culture and not submitting to theocratic dogma, or "dhimmitude" as you call it. Not a hippy, well employed, pay taxes, volunteer, and pray.

That's narrow minded, hate filled and bigoted?

I see.

I'd wager there's a whole BUNCH of people like me.

"Leftists and Terrorists share the almost identical talking points."

You understand how simple minded and offensive this invective is? Do you think a moderate like myself would be more inclined to vote for someone who speaks to me like this? Or more likely to think you're a loon and not want anything to do with you?

Why doesn't everyone see how bloody alike the radical left and right is? DU = LGF. Both packed full of people who should be working and not surfing and are looking for some political boxing excitement. The rest of life is pretty staid if you're planted in front of a computer.

(I'm on lunch, ;D )

Does anybody seriously think she means this stuff? No, she's just a tramp. But very vew liberals, even the wacko ones, look worse. At Neuremberg, even the Nazis were given trials before being fed their creme brulee. Ann wouldn't bother with such formalities.

Like, I said, Jim, I'm not an Ann Coulter fan, but do you not see a conflict between the two bolded statements?

Jim, you can scour the archives of this site going back to early 2004, and I don't believe you find where I've ever said this, but I do find it interesting that Leftists and Terrorists share the almost identical talking points. Probably just a coincidence.

When the only person that left wing radical kooks like Jim can quote is Ann Coulter they have lost the arguement.

Regarding my "intellectual dishonesty", I oppologize for stunning you. But I didn't "put" Coulter on the same level as Democrats in congress. I didn't "put" her anywhere. If someone has, please reply to them. As far as calling me a "kook", that borders on a violation of the comment policy. I will forgive you; I understand your side is under a lot of stress these days.

Ann Coulter is a conservative political commentator whose style happens to be bitingly sarcastic humor. That's how she sells books. This is as quite different from the NUMEROUS lefties who are quite serious in their hate filled rantings about the President, resulting from their terminal BDS. Ann has never lifted a finger to harm any lefty. However she has been the target of numerous physical and verbal attacks by wacko lefties who would love to deny her First Ammendment rights and silence her permanently.

Jim if you can't see the differance...you are a humorless liberal twit.

Jim -

"I will forgive you; I understand your side is under a lot of stress these days."

A beautiful little zinger to end a most entertainingly rational post.

Winger friends: everytime you feel the urge to Coulter, just breathe deep and say aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The more I see and hear the left these days, the more in favor of socialised medicine I become...

Yes, they could all have a lobotomy for free.

What's wrong with Albright hanging from a gallows? She is a traitor, after all...

*Chuckles*

You do realize that most of us are basically pundits here right? We all comment and posture over the news of the day and in the end it's all in good fun and nothing more. The difference between us and pundits like Coulter (Who I enjoy) is that we don't have to craft our message to sell something.

We can be as crass or blunt, or obtuse for that matter, as we want. We don't have to worry about "shocking" anyone or drawing a crowd. We just get to enjoy the talks and see who we can influence or share our ideas with.

To that end I'm perfectly fine with all of the pundits out there on both sides. They can say whatever they want and try to influnce whomever they want. More power to them, in fact that's the power of the first amendment.

What I DO disagree with is when folks who are elected leaders or major players in the power game reflect these types of attitudes. These folks have the power to actually do stuff and it's up to them to actually work for US. That's what I dislike.

Mark said : "....those of a different opinion are deliberately and with malice aforethought sabotaging efforts to halt global warming."

But that is so true, you Knuckleheads!!. There is a corporate faction that is paying science whores to spread mis-information to poo poo global warming and confused the masses. All for the almighty buck!!

Senator Inhofe's children will wonder what kind of a monster he was to be a climate change denier in a time when there is no longer a debate among real scientists. Global warming is here now and the exponential increase in the rate of climate change has been brought about by billions of humans spewing hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. There's really no excuse for not knowing any better. Snarky references to 30 year old science will do nothing to change the facts. Look around you on your way driving to work tomorrow morning. We are the extremists.

It is bizarre, how extremists, alarmist like Al Gore should be given attention for something as insignificant as this balogna of global warming!

Today, out east here, where I live, in the appalachian mountain chain, the forecast calls for ten to fifteen degrees below normal, I tell ya it's been down right chilly today, and, in addition, the forecast for the whole winter calls for a complete overall winter temperature departure of about three to five degrees below average.

Now, Someone explain to me, HOW, Mr. Einstein Gore, can come up with this bogustrash about global warming when it is this cold this early and supposed to be colder than normal for the entire winter?
It just does'nt make sense.

And another thing, since Einstein Gore is getting all this attention, Why should he have an impact on the political scene, I mean, I know he's given some attention to show how crazy and OFF in the head the democrats really are! But for goodness sake! he should never be allowed to have an impact on politics in no way shape or form, THE MAN'S LOST IT!!!!!

Truthfully, the man isn't going to fix a blasted thing, he's going to tear more up, than he is fix.

Don't EVER let people have a chance as a political leader like Gore, or in any other form of goverment, If that would happen, he would have this country so messed up and out of time it ain't EVEN funny!

And while we're at it, What should canada have to do with Good ol U.S. of A.

And Canada?, Mind your own bizwax, We don't need any advice from the left-wingER canadians!!

Above all though, There's only One who is in control of the weather, and He's the one who, if any, will do the fixing, because He's the One who Created it in His own plan. Don't you think if He can create it, that He can fix it too? O Yes! There's NO BOUNDS for Almighty God. He can make it as cold as He likes, and He can make it as hot as He likes, So no need to worry, just beee happy!

Thanks to All! and to All, a Good night!

:)

Jeremiah

Leslie,

"Killing people who won't quietly submit to their whims is perfectly normal behavior for the Left."

Which leftists, exactly, are you referring to? How is it that this behavior is normal?

Jeremiah,

“Someone explain to me, HOW, Mr. Einstein Gore, can come up with this bogustrash about global warming when it is this cold this early and supposed to be colder than normal for the entire winter?”

Take you thumb out of your ass and your nose out of your bible for a minute and look around you. Rising average temperatures are having an impact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Human activity over the last 150 or so years has contributed to climate change. This is true even if your little bible doesn’t say so. You can’t point to a few unseasonably cold days as evidence to debunk what scientists and climatologists have known for decades.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0923_030923_kilimanjaroglaciers.html

http://yosemite.epa.gov/OAR/globalwarming.nsf/content/ImpactsMountainsWesternMountains.html

Moron.

Here in a nutshell is all the narrow minded, hate-filled bigotry of the left - a mindset which holds that opposition to leftist opinion isn't just wrong, but is deliberately evil.

The post in question is in regards to a book, George Monbiot's Heat, which shows that the same PR hacks who sold us the idea that smoking doesn't cause cancer are behind the global warming denial industry.

Considering that these guys hid the fact that the tobacco industry was covering up studies that their product caused cancer, I'd say they deserve both the labels 'deliberately evil' and 'bastards.' Killing people for money isn't something the good guys do.

Like evolution -- another issue the right claims is merely 'opinion' -- global warming is a fact agreed on by most scientists. The holdouts are paid for their opinions.

Like the ties between smoking and cancer, the ties between carbon and climate change are real. And the same deliberately evil bastards who were responsible for the deaths of countless people through cancer will be responsible for for the human impact of global warming.

It's not unreasonable to believe they should be held accountable.

The difference between us and pundits like Coulter (Who I enjoy) is that we don't have to craft our message to sell something.

Exactly, gozer, and that's a plus for our brainless trolls. As for Coulter--whom I enjoy immensely--she's our Michael Moore, but with two distinct differences--she's sane, and has a brain.

What I DO disagree with is when folks who are elected leaders or major players in the power game reflect these types of attitudes. These folks have the power to actually do stuff and it's up to them to actually work for US. That's what I dislike.

It's called lying for political gain, Gozer--both sides do it. However, the left lies about issues that are life-and-death matters, without regard to we the people. That's why 1H8L1BS...

Jeremiah,

Global warming doesn't warm the planet everywhere. It's an average, taken over the whole globe. Localized fluctuations are expected, and some areas may cool permanently. Generally the largest effect is seen the Arctic, where sea ice is already severy impacted, as seen here. Some of the sea ice melting is not due (directly) to temperature increases. Some is.

The rising temperatures are not disputed, not even by the scientists threatened with "Nuremberg" above. Carbon dioxide levels are also rising. Like Temperature, these are measured direcly and are not disputed.

The dispute:
1- Human caused vs. naturally caused vs. a combination
2- Which models should be used to predict near-term outcomes
3- Should we do anything about it

If you read the original quote above, the "Nuremberg" trials were only suggested if global warming were to devastate the planet. Obviously this is moot, as the few remaining scientists who dispute warming will all have come around by then, if it happens.

When I look at the data, as a non-scientist I see the non-disputed temperature increases and the non-disputed carbon dioxide increases, especially in the northern hemisphere, and I conclude that warming exists and it is largely human caused. You conclude otherwise. I am confident that the majority of scientists and lay persons share my view, and your view will become a smaller and smaller minority as time goes on and more direct effects are seen, such as coastal flooding.

I sure don't want or need any "forgiveness" from a far left wing lunatic such as yourself.

"violation of comments policy" Dude, I've got the truth on my side.

But the ones who say "Bush is Hitler" sound to me no different than "Lefties are Terrorists", which, if I'm not mistaken, is a pretty common theme around here. And these folks, on both sides, are a completely different bunch than those who advocate killing.

Posted by: Jim Oliver at October 12, 2006 01:47 PM

"KILL A TERRORIST.....SAVE A LIB."

Hmmmmmmmm.......no thats to much truth for Jim to handle!

O.K. lefties are terrorists and we should kill em all! There, I said it!

CJ: "When the only person that left wing radical kooks like Jim can quote is Ann Coulter..."

Oh, God. Do you read? Before you posted that Jim quoted two posters here. Leslie Bates and yourself. Think before you post, please.

In all seriousness, this is a blog that prides itself on being "tough" on liberals. It's not afraid to take a stand and say what needs to be said! What this really means is that anything goes against liberals and Democrats - anything. But as soon as you turn the tables just a little bit and speak against the Right...whew, you're eviscerated (usually in clumsy, kneejerk manner, but still).

All the talk about DailyKos is jealousy. They have a real blog with a readership lightyears beyong B4B. They put hard data on their blog. They have insightful comments. They correct each other when they're wrong. They work together to really hash things out among themselves. You don't get that on B4B, or many right-wing blogs. You get cheerleading. You get the message of the day. And most of all, you get character attacks. What do I mean?

Simple.

Don't like the left's message? Hitting a little too close to home? Making too much sense, threatening the right's strangle-hold on power? Your solution is not to address their message, ever. Never ever. Talk about the problems of the Iraq war - how we can do it better? Oh God no. Much easier to attack any anti-war messengers, or anyone who even criticizes in any way Bush's approach. Kos has an article up on the Baker Commission report. Get this: A report from a George HW Bush guy, spoken well of by W, that goes against what the President is currently saying. That's fact, people. That's what the left has. You guys have hate. Attack Murtha, attack environmentalists. Let us rot in Iraq, let the Earth die...whatever, who cares, just as long as you smear enough messengers to keep your hold on power.

" I do find it interesting that Leftists and Terrorists share the almost identical talking points. Probably just a coincidence."

Really?

"We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest." -Bin Laden

"How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?" -Pat Robertson

"Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?" -Bin Laden

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."" -Jerry Falwell

"In today's wars, there are no morals, and it is clear that mankind has descended to the lowest degrees of decadence and oppression." -Bin Laden

"America is polluting the whole world." -Pat Robertson

"The government is committed to supporting God's religion, the country remains a strong bulwark for religion, and the people are among the most protective of God's religion, and the keenest to fulfill His laws." -Bin Laden

"One-world opinion is taking the side of the Palestinians, not the side of Israel." -Falwell

"There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world." -Pat Robertson

"The government does not cease to cry over matters affecting religion, without making any serious effort to serve the interests of the religious community." -Bin Laden

"We are on the brink of our destruction, and if we do not awaken now, it will be too late. We have been victimized by traitorous behavior on the part of our leaders." -Jerry Falwell

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [State Department's Washington headquarters], I think that's the answer." -Pat Robertson

"The media strives to keep the people occupied with minor matters, and to stir their emotions and desires until corruption becomes widespread among believers." -Bin Laden

"There is no way that a United Nations, treaties, or any other human instrument can bring about peace. Such things mean nothing when one nation desires the land and resources of another." -Pat Robertson

"The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws" -Bin Laden

"[Y]ou have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention" -Bin Laden

"We have allowed rampant secularism... We have insulted God at the highest levels of government." -Pat Robertson

Does Bin Laden REALLY sound like Democrats? Are Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson Democrats?

Two More Quotes:

"I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass" -Barry Goldwater

"The Religious Right scares the Hell out of me!" - Barry Goldwater

Yes, coulterfan. We all know Bin Laden is a true-red conservative. There are a bunch of "scary" conservatives (as defined by Barry Goldwater) inhabbiting congress right now. Bin Laden would be right at home with them.

Imagine Bin Laden and the religious right sitting down to tea. Once they got over their Muhammad/Jesus problem, they would realize that had a lot in common.

You know, I've spent HOURS looking and I can't seem to find instances where Falwell, Dobson, or Robertson talk about helping the poor! They talk A LOT about abortion, homosexuality, national security, and bashing 'liberals'- all things that Jesus never mentioned. But, they don't seem to care about the poor, which seemed to be Jesus' big issue!

Maybe they wouldn't have to even talk about Jesus/Mohammad- they could just find common ground in their hatred against Gays, Abortionists, and 'Liberals'!

Wow Jim, It's comments like that that #1 keep you guys out of power, #2 make you look & sound like the kook fringe! Congratulations, I'll be sure to take your comment into consideration when we retain power and begin to incarcerate you kooks for speaking. LOLL!!!

CF, you obviously don't know where to look then.

"Congratulations, I'll be sure to take your comment into consideration when we retain power and begin to incarcerate you kooks for speaking."

We'll see about the corrupt Republican party 'retaining power'- Bush's and Congress' approval ratings are pretty dismal. Let's talk again after Nov 7, okay?

And, you've also seemingly revealed your disregard for the Constitution! What's the 1st Amendment again?!?!?!?

BTW, the Feds are always reluctant to give up power that they take. So. . .what do you think is going to happen WHEN a Democratic president has the power to wiretap suspected terrorists without a warrant, hold them indefinitely without charging them, torture them, etc? I mean, you DO understand that Operation Rescue and other Pro-Life organizations (not to mention Right-Wing Militants) are considered terrorist organizations, don't you? Randall Terry-ist, Jerry "Osama" Falwell, etc HERE WE COME!

"CF, you obviously don't know where to look then."

Why don't you show me? Where do they talk about helping the poor? Hell, when do they actually HELP THE POOR? President Carter is DETESTED by the Right and he is a Sunday School Teacher, builds homes for the poor, and has founded the "Carter Center" which has helped poor people around the world immeasurably.

In contrast, the 'Religious Right' seem to care more about things which Jesus never talked about (abortion and gay marriage) and supporting things Jesus himself opposed (like the death penalty).

Falwell recently said that he hopes that Hilary Clinton is the Dems 2008 nominee because "she would bring out my constituency more than if Lucifer himself were on the ballot!"

The Jesus I KNOW doesn't preach hate and intolerance. Falwell and his ilk are demagogues, modern day pharisees, hypocrites, and liars. Not to mention anti-American, Blame-America-First TRAITORS!

coulterfan,

Jesus in fact does'nt preach to you to hate and be intolerant! Jesus preaches love for one another, and to respect the forthstandings of other's different opinion! However, Jesus looks with disdain upon those who prefer to take the innocent life of children to satisfy their gods of personal gain, selfishness, ill intent! Jesus also is immensely disdained by those people who DEFILE the sacred cleanliness of their bodies through sexual immorality, such as; homosexuality, and adultery, which is an abomination in the eye's of God!

As for the death penalty? Jesus said, in the book of John - "I tell you the truth, anyone who sins is a slave to sin" and He goes on to say, that, "No slave(sinner) belongs to the family of God" because they are unworthy in the sight of Almighty God, and the Apostle Paul wrote, "the penalty for sin, is death" which of course, meaning, death of the spirit, or our souls.
But, When we have been cleansed by the Holy Spirit, giving up our sin to follow Jesus Christ, Then we are to sin no more.
So, If my interpretation clarifies correctly, along with my opinion, I would summarize as follows - If we sin the unjustifiable sin? in the flesh, then there should be the same penalty as with sinning against the Holy Spirit, which ultimately is the penalty of death by execution.

Jesus will only send the Holy Spirit for so long until we have rejected Him to the point that He has given up on us, and which at His final calling we are in the hopeless state of being, and are game for Satan's snare of total destruction. A Scary thought to say the least!
...............................

"HELP THE POOR?"

America is in the best shape it has been ever in history, So many Americans complain though and whine around like you, coulterfan, who think that the world is coming to an end because of a minor expense to save your life from the grips of terrorists including democrats who seek to harm you none the less, You take the approach that we are poor due to overpopulation(lie) and that we are not helping the poor, Tell me, Where are the folks in America who are without food and clean water, clothing, television, telephone???? Tell me, Where are the folks in America who are dying of starvation and sick with overwhelmingly debilitating diseases???

Tell me?? Who are they???????

I say to you, you FOOL, WE ARE THE MOST *BLESSED* NATION IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!! BE *THANKFUL* BE *THANKFUL* FOR WHAT YOU HAVE!!!

Or, If you choose to not be thankful? Then go to North Korea where the folks are eating tree bark three meals a day! You'll re-evaluate your position on America in a heartbeat, my friend!!!!!

Yes, coulterfan, We provide for you too! even after you being so disgraceful and unthankful and taking everything for grantit! God has still provided a place for you in this world, Would it not be too much to say, Thank you?

NOPE! All you can do is whine and write your tripe about what we have not done for you!!!

YOU HYPOCRITES!!! Away from me! you sin sick evil doer!! You belong with the dogs!!

Jeremiah

Hey Church Lady! I thought perhaps you would have listened to Jesus' words "Judge not lest ye be judged", but apparently YOU know better than to let God do the judging. . .

Now, there's no need to interpret Jesus' words. What does "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" mean when put in the context of stopping a Old Testament-mandated execution mean? What about "You have heard it said 'An Eye for An Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth', but I tell you this: if your brother should smite your left cheek turn to him the right."? Even Santorum has recently changed his death penalty stance because he feels that Jesus is opposed to it.

"However, Jesus looks with disdain upon those who prefer to take the innocent life of children to satisfy their gods of personal gain, selfishness, ill intent!"

Let's take abortion (again). If abortion were made illegal, and you believe in the death penalty (as you clearly do), what should the punishment be for a woman who has an abortion? If your wife or daughter were raped (God forbid), would you force her to carry her rapist's baby to term?!?!?

One can be against abortion (personally) and yet be pro-choice. Again, Laura Bush, Condi Rice, Barbara Bush, Guiliani, Pataki, etc are ALL pro-choice. Maybe they feel that matters of the soul are best judged by God rather than Big Government! Or maybe you also call them "sin sick evil doers"?

"FOOL, WE ARE THE MOST *BLESSED* NATION IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!! BE *THANKFUL* BE *THANKFUL* FOR WHAT YOU HAVE!!!"

Gee, I also think that we're the BEST nation on Earth! I guess the difference between you and I is that I think we can be even better. I'm glad that you apparently never criticized any Democratic administration, because then it would be obvious that you would rather eat tree bark in North Korea! I assumed that you might think it's OKAY to criticize our government because THAT'S THE SORT OF FREEDOM THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED UPON!

Hey, wait! You often "whine" about abortion laws! Why don't you move to Mexico, Latin America, or Africa where abortion is illegal?!?!?!?

"Tell me?? Who are they???????"

Did you NOT SEE any of the footage from the Gulf Coast after Katrina? Do you think these people receive adequate health care, medicine, and food? You don't think that leaders of HUGE Christian organizations should do anything to help the poor?

"YOU HYPOCRITES!!! Away from me! you sin sick evil doer!! You belong with the dogs!!"

WHAT did I do to deserve such scorn? I am not a hypocrite, like Falwell and his ilk, I live in accordance with my beliefs and I DO NOT judge or condemn others.

I guess you feel you can "cast stones" because you are sinless yourself?

Did you NOT SEE any of the footage from the Gulf Coast after Katrina? Do you think these people receive adequate health care, medicine, and food?"

Oh, So now you say we did'nt reach out to these folks EITHER! YOU FOOL!! Why do you think we speant over and above 300 BILLION DOLLARS for these folks in need, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE KIND HEARTED PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS GREAT LAND WHO WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO REACH OUT AND LEND A HELPING HAND, NOT TO MENTION - ALL THE KIND AND CARING AND LOVING CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO WORKED AND TOOK UP DONATIONS FOR THOSE PEOPLE!!

and now you have the GALL to even say such a statement, "DID YOU NOT SEE" Ha, So much for you FOOL!

I've come to realize now that it is virtually impossible to debate with you in a reasoned and orderly manner, you FOOL!

"I'm glad that you apparently never criticized any Democratic administration"

YEAH, What about them demoncrats? Like Ol Slick, when he aided North Korea, now our ENEMY! when they were almost in collapse, and had no means of gaining of an almost state DANGER of being what they are now, But no, Ya see, Ol slick was thinking down the road, I can hear him now "I tell ya what I'll do I'll make North Korea a menace to the world" and look what, Now we're seeing the result of the DANGER BILL CLINTON posed to the world, SICK MAN! SICK!!

"WHAT did I do to deserve such scorn? I am not a hypocrite, like Falwell and his ilk, I live in accordance with my beliefs and I DO NOT judge or condemn others."

You deserve to be scorned! because you are right along and with the molly coddling terrorist loving demoncrats! AND LOOK AT YOU! Saying you're not a hypocrite, and CONDEMNING Pastor Falwell, and ALL Christians to Hell! You FOOL! You FOOL!

" guess you feel you can "cast stones" because you are sinless yourself?"

NO! I'm not sinless, but when I meat Jesus Christ everything changed. I don't "cast stones" But, I do correct the FOOL who poses the Greatest threat, and tries to change the policy that affects my life and others around me, I DON'T NEED A BUNCH OF DEMONIC, HATE FILLED FOOLS RULING MY! WORLD! CLEAR????????????

"Let's take abortion (again)."

Hey! bud, All that matters is that those folks, are AGAINST ABORTION!!

"I thought perhaps you would have listened to Jesus' words "Judge not lest ye be judged", but apparently YOU know better than to let God do the judging. . ."

Yep, God will do the judging! and I just wonder what all those BABY MURDERERS will have to say to Him, and all those Mothers! What will they say? Of whom were coaxed into having an abortion when they did'nt have too! Huh? Let me tell ya somethin fanatic, These folks are gonna answer for their SIN!! and the people who signed into LAW the EVIL,EVIL, ABORTION BILLS!!

"I'll say one thing! I Sure am glad you are NO senator, and Thanks be to God, YOU are NO legislator!!"

Now!! RUN ALONG! Go to Kos or somewhere, they will appreciate you tirade of lies and falsehoods much more than I!!

Jeremiah

Church Lady,

"NOT TO MENTION ALL THE KIND HEARTED PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS GREAT LAND WHO WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO REACH OUT AND LEND A HELPING HAND, NOT TO MENTION - ALL THE KIND AND CARING AND LOVING CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO WORKED AND TOOK UP DONATIONS FOR THOSE PEOPLE!!"

I know, believe me, I was one who donated and had members of my family visit with their churches (I couldn't go as I have four young children). I didn't, however, see Falwell, Robertson, or Dobson helping the Gulf Coast.

"Like Ol Slick, when he aided North Korea, now our ENEMY! when they were almost in collapse, and had no means of gaining of an almost state DANGER of being what they are now, But no, Ya see, Ol slick was thinking down the road, I can hear him now "I tell ya what I'll do I'll make North Korea a menace to the world" and look what, Now we're seeing the result of the DANGER BILL CLINTON posed to the world, SICK MAN! SICK!!"

Your hatred is only overshadowed by your ignorance. Even Condi Rice admitted that the CLinton administration could not be blamed for trying, but that Lil' Kim Jong Il CHEATED! But I know everything can be blamed on Clinton, right? Hey, how about researching which administrations trained and funded Bin Laden in his fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan? What about Saddam, which administration sold him weapons when fighting the Iran-Iraq war? Hindsight is always 20-20, this is why I don't blame Reagan or Bush for the monsters that their policies inadvertantly created.

Just because Clinton isn't a Pharisee doesn't mean he isn't a good Christian. In fact, he quietly went to church services every week, unlike this president. Oh, and why are you so filled with hatred? I NEVER call Bush anything but 'President Bush'- what about showing our country's past leaders a little respect!

"I DON'T NEED A BUNCH OF DEMONIC, HATE FILLED FOOLS RULING MY! WORLD! CLEAR????????????"

You were funny on SNL, but now you're sort of just SCARY!

"All that matters is that those folks, are AGAINST ABORTION!!"

Oh, and how is it that Guiliani, Laura Bush, etc are any different than, say, Hilary Clinton? You think she loves abortion? Nobody likes abortion, but isn't it a private matter best left between a person and her God? What about if your wife or daughter WERE raped? You would HONESTLY make them carry their rapist's child to FULL TERM?

And, out of curiousity, how many minority children have you fostered or adopted?

"Let me tell ya somethin fanatic, These folks are gonna answer for their SIN!! and the people who signed into LAW the EVIL,EVIL, ABORTION BILLS!!"

Who's the fanatic, brother? Everyone will answer for their sins, but I'm not going to judge them. Some are gambling addicts like Bill Bennett, some have abused drugs and are serial adulterer's like Rush Limbaugh, some are Pharisees, some have executed prisoners contrary to what Jesus preached, etc.

However, there ARE NO 'abortion bills'. Abortion was legal when our nation was founded- it was advertised in papers at the time. As a matter of fact, abortion has been around for THOUSANDS of years. It was only after the anti-abortion laws were created and there were court challenges in the US. These restrictions were ultimately ruled unconstitutional. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but our nation was founded on laws and on freedom. Likewise, people are free to divorce (prohibited by Jesus), gamble, etc.

"I'll say one thing! I Sure am glad you are NO senator, and Thanks be to God, YOU are NO legislator!!"

Likewise, I'm sure. We have enough CRAZY legislators trying to impose their religion on others even though they KNOW that these laws will be struck down as unconstitutional. Like that sad Schiavo affair pushed through by Crook DeLay EVEN THOUGH he himself pulled life support from his own father. HYPOCRITE!

"Go to Kos or somewhere, they will appreciate you tirade of lies and falsehoods much more than I!!"

I know the truth is hard to hear, Church Lady, but it's easier when you just accuse your opponent of being a tool of SATAN!

Actually, SOME of these religious charletans (including Robertson) blamed America's legalized abortion for Hurricane Katrina (no wonder they didn't help the poor folks out!):

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509130004

They sound EXACTLY like Osama Bin Laden!

"there ARE NO 'abortion bills'"

Uh, I don't think so, mr.professor!

Think about Roe V Wade, If you will? It's the worst thing that ever happened to America in history, no questions asked!!

"Hindsight is always 20-20, this is why I don't blame Reagan or Bush for the monsters that their policies inadvertantly created."

Yep, Hindsight is always 20-20 and that's why America chooses to steer clear of them dirty democrats, Just take a look back 10 or 12 years during the clintonisto years when we were struck repeatedly and nothing ever accomplished or given thought to afterwards. No, Bill Clinton knew full well what was going on, but he just did'nt CARE! He and OBL were hand in hand during his whole administration. Not to mention, Al Zawahari, Saddam Insane, and the likes of those evil and sick mentors! It's a wonder America still stands today! But praise Almighty God who watches over us who sent George W. Bush as a provider and sustainer for protection in a day and time when it is much needed! Much has been accomplished in terms of long term peace, not to mention making new friends and allies!

"Who's the fanatic, brother?"

Precisely YOU! Hey, listen, Your tripe is getting old, MOVE ALONG NOW WILL YA!!!!!!

"I know the truth is hard to hear"

NOPE! It's just something you fail to understand and comprehend, my friend!!!!!! You just don't understand that your life is at stake with terrorists out there willing to strike at a minutes notice in order to kill millions of Innocent people in the most blessed land on the face of planet earth!!!

Democrats are FAILURES!!!!! Kerry runs for cover, Murtha is a TRAITOR TO THIS NATION AND THE WORLD!!
Kennedy is a HATE machine, and is ALSO a TRAITOR!!

"Nobody likes abortion, but isn't it a private matter best left between a person and her God?"

No one likes abortion, because it is murder of innocent life,So,Why look at someone who has already been given a chance at life, and where there are no real risks involved under normal circumstances, millions of little babies are born every day without any complications, why should it not be encouraged for SOME that should by all means be given that same chance????????????????????????????????????? and the list goes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Actually, SOME of these religious charletans (including Robertson) blamed America's legalized abortion for Hurricane Katrina (no wonder they didn't help the poor folks out!"

And your little cut and paste HATE AMERICA LIBERALISTIC SITE deal, You know what? You're blame America crap is getting old man!! Take it somewheres else, We don't need it!!!!!!!!

"CRAZY legislators"

You got it! Name any liberal, and you'll have you a CRAZY legislator.

"I didn't, however, see Falwell, Robertson, or Dobson helping the Gulf Coast."

Your blind, dude. WAKE UP! and quit your little lie and hate world your in, it's gonna DESTROY you, If not already!!
kool-aid it's bad for the brain cells and thought process these days!!and it's beginning to show with you!!

Jeremiah

coulterfan,

Before you start casting aspersions on people, you should actually do a bit of fact checking, and also realise that no Christian is going to advertise his good works...Our Lord forbade it.

Jim,

Please provide for me a citation from anything approaching a reputable Christian scholar in favor of suicide and/or the deliberate courting of martyrdom...if you are going to make comments about Christians, it behooves you to find out a bit about them.

"Uh, I don't think so, mr.professor!

Think about Roe V Wade, If you will? It's the worst thing that ever happened to America in history, no questions asked!!"

Jesus never said "Ignorance is Bliss", Church Lady. Rove V Wade was a Supreme Court decision and not a law. It struck down as unconstitutional a state law outlawing abortion.

Oh, and I can tell that you are white, since many pro-life blacks would disagree that it is the "worst thing that ever happened to America in history". Can you guess what black people might say?

"But praise Almighty God who watches over us who sent George W. Bush as a provider and sustainer for protection in a day and time when it is much needed!"

And praise God for Clinton, who he ALSO sent. And praise Him for the upcoming Democratic takeover of Congress and for vanquishing the crooks like DeLay, Foley, etc.

And, by your own logic (an oxymoron), Bush and Reagan are responsible for Bin Laden and Hussein.

"No one likes abortion, because it is murder of innocent life"

You've not answered any of my questions. So, what should be the punishment for a young woman who has an abortion? And if YOUR wife or daughter were raped???

"And your little cut and paste HATE AMERICA LIBERALISTIC SITE deal"

Did they get the quotes wrong???

"kool-aid it's bad for the brain cells"

At least we agree on that ! Lay off the stuff, man!!!

"you should actually do a bit of fact checking, and also realise that no Christian is going to advertise his good works...Our Lord forbade it."

Mark, I understand that. So why was Clinton and Carter are much more private about their faith and good works than Bush, Falwell, Robertson, etc.

Does that mean that these people are charletans and not "good" Christians?

Can ANYBODY answer what the mission is in Iraq?

Is killing hundreds of thousands in an UNECESSARY WAR pro-life?

Will 'killing Iraqis until they like us' work? When has such a policy ever worked?

Is the goal still "A Jeffersonian Democracy which is peaceful, stable, and an allie of the US in the WOT"? Is it acceptable to have a Islamic Theocracy in Iraq if that's what the people want? What if they elect a leader who ISN'T OUR FRIEND?

Church Lady,

If you HATE the US so much, why don't you find some Christian Theocracy in which to live? Your leaders always "Blame America First" for its liberalism, but THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE! We are a FREE nation of LAWS and are NOT governed by the Church!

""Ignorance is Bliss""

You need to listen to what you're saying! It's never too late to realize that you are asleep, Don't wait too long or the liberals will wake you up in a not so friendly manner one day, Only it's going to be too late THEN!! So wake up, dude.

"If you HATE the US so much"

Hey! Nobody said anything about hating America!!
You're the only 'dirt slinger' here, condemning Christians for ALL the world's problems!

And Yes, 'WE'(AMERICA) are based on a FREE society, and rules to govern it, but there is a 'wrong' way and a 'right' way to govern by creating laws of differentiating opinions, the wrong way being, liberalism is a, suffice it to say, a "slouching towards Gomorrah" or as the bible says - "The way of Cane" a very danger to the roots and fabric of society itself! liberals are a network of evil intentioned group of communists if you will, and 500 years have passed since our founding fathers governed without even as much as an utterance of such evil desired people as liberals hatemongers!! No, the founding fathers meant for God to receive the Glory for the freedoms that we have, much has changed, My what a different story now! With all the hypocritical pundit mouths like Ted Kennedy, Barbar Streisand, Murth the Traior, Feingold, Bill Clinton the mad man, and many others who betray America and the very roots of freedom!!

One of these days, you'll appreciate the Church and the freedoms that we and others have fought for so diligently for you to have as yours!

And make no mistake, If you wish to remain a FREE Nation then you best be seperating yourself from the party that represent you, because they're going to take the freedom that you so desperately need away from you, Communism is a common thing under the satanistic thinking of liberals!

And again! Your tripe is getting old! You hate America? Then get on a plane, or boat or something, it's never too late to excommunicate yourself with good hearted people, when you have no desire to be in good company!! Do yourself that favor, and MAYBE, just MAYBE, you'll be happy!

Jeremiah

"Is killing hundreds of thousands in an UNECESSARY WAR pro-life?"

Is putting millions of Innocent Americans at risk, Pro-life?

Jeremiah

"You're the only 'dirt slinger' here, condemning Christians for ALL the world's problems!"

Huh? When did I say that? Please use my exact quote. I think I said that Falwell, Robertson, Dobson all sound exactly like Bin Laden and are charletans. I actually hear A LOT of hate from people here towards "liberals", "Democrats", and to a greater extent "Clinton".

Here, let me prove something to you. I don't hate Bush, though I (along with the overwhelming majority of Americans) think he's an awful president! Still, nobody's without any redeeming qualities. I always try to remember the good things even my political rivals accomplish. Fortunately, Bush is also like this- he's established a genuine friendship with President Clinton, as has his father. I usually disagree with Bush, but as an exercise I'm going to name 3 things he's done as president which have improved America and the rest of the world:

1) No Child Left Behind - this program, though not fully funded, still goes a LONG WAY towards establishing measurable goals in our public education system.

2) War in Afghanistan - Virtually ALL Americans support this war, since this is where Al Queda (which struck us on 9-11) was based. Getting rid of the Taliban and the terrorist training camps was essential. Unfortunately, we have been distracted by Iraq and unable to "finish the job" in Afghanistan. Still, this war was necessary and vital.

3) Assistance to fight AIDS in Africa - The Bush administration has done WONDERFUL work in providing assistance, vaccines, etc to African nations dealing with AIDS epidemics. FAR MORE than the Clinton administration EVER did, this administration deserves a GREAT DEAL of credit for recognizing and helping this HUGE humanitarian crisis.

Now, I challenge you to find 3 things done by the Clinton administration which also improved the world. I have legitimate disagreements with Republicans, but this does NOT mean that I think they do not have Americans' best interests in mind.

"liberals are a network of evil intentioned group of communists if you will, and 500 years have passed since our founding fathers governed without even as much as an utterance of such evil desired people as liberals hatemongers!"

HUH? That sounds VERY hateful. Really? FDR, JFK, Truman. etc were all EVIL COMMUNISTS? Honestly, reading the beatitudes, Jesus sounds MUCH more like a "feel your pain" liberal than a "everyone for themselves" conservative. If liberals are Communists, does that make conservatives Fascists? I, for one, don't think so. . .

" Ted Kennedy, Barbar Streisand, Murth the Traior, Feingold, Bill Clinton the mad man, and many others who betray America and the very roots of freedom!!"

I would strongly disagree with you. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, et al are hatemongers who are actively working to divide America. In fact, Falwell and Robertson BLAMED AMERICA FOR 9-11 THE VERY NEXT DAY! Talk about traitors . . .who were the BIGGEST tratitors in our nation's history? You got it- the Confederate states which took up arms in a fight to secede from the Union! Compared to this, Steisand's painfully annoying songs and posturing can do relatively little harm to our Union! BTW, you DO know that "Murth the Traior (sp)" was highly praised by Reagan and sent in 1986 on a special delegation to the Philapines. He was also one of the strongest proponents of Reagan's foreign policy, as well as George HW Bush.

Murtha's "crime" is disagreeing with the Iraq war? Well, MANY members of your own party (Baker, Powell, Warner, etc) and a MAJORITY of Americans, as well as an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the Iraqis AGREE with him! Why are there SO MANY "Cut and Run Iraqis"? Should we REALLY forcibly stay there despite the fact that MOST Iraqis want us to leave AND APPROVE of attacks on our forces?

And, oh, WHAT IS THE MISSION??????

"If you wish to remain a FREE Nation then you best be seperating yourself from the party that represent you, because they're going to take the freedom that you so desperately need away from you, Communism is a common thing under the satanistic thinking of liberals!"

You're misinformed, my friend. Liberals have brought us worker and child protection laws, clean water laws, anti-smoking indoor laws, the FDA, Social Security, Minimum wage laws, wom