Er, you DO realise that Christianity is a CHOICE and requires a certain world view, and being black is neither a choice nor requires any sort of world view, right?

Michael,

Pathetic dodge...just make it "liberal leaders" or "Hollywood executives"...if you can't see that this is a ploy to intimidate Christians out of the political sphere then there's really no hope for you.

Wow! You sound paranoid and slightly insane! Let me get this right: There is an anti-Christian bias on the left and in society as a whole? I know, the white male Christian is soooo discriminated against these days- there's hardly even one of them in a REAL position of power! Wait. . . I thought Bush was Christian, and Clinton, and Bush Sr., Reagan, etc. Haven't ALL Past Presidents been Christian? In fact, can you name ONE atheist in the White House or in Congress? There may be ONE Jew, but I can't think of a Muslim in Congress, can you? Name one member of Congress and quote him or her showing an evidence of anti-Christian bias.

In fact, I think there's a strong anti-atheist bias AND I can find stats and polls to back me up. Go ahead, find a poll which shows there to be Anti-Christian bias in America. . .

Or maybe you're against FOIA in general- it wouldn't surprise me, but personally I believe in an open and transparent democracy. And there is the separation of Church and State (the Jefferson doctrine) which might be grounds enough for the request.

Mark

Religious bigots like coulterfan have been around on the left for ages. They're just more vocal now.

The Jefferson Doctrine? I've studied Thomas Jefferson extensively and am not aware of any "Jefferson doctrine" on the separation of church and state.

In fact, in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, Jefferson made it clear that the federal government cannot interfere with a free expression of religion. He went on to explain that while the government cannot be involved in the affairs of the various churches, the churches may, as they desire involve themselves in the affairs of government.

Factually, Jefferson ended the letter with,

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem..

I never said that it wasn't an attempt to intimidate Christians.

But unlike being black, being a liberal, a Hollywood executive or Christian is a *choice* and thus not comparable to race.

Based on this “Jefferson Doctrine” Christians are protected from the persecution from secularists who attempt to suppress the Christians involvement in government.

Whoa, Bane! No one is saying Christians can't participate in government. This is about transparency in government.

But, carry on with your paranoid conspiracy theories about the evil left...

That is right, we don't need to worry about christian leaders because you are all honest, Ralph Reed, Tom delay, Tom foley they are all up standing members of society.

I am a Christian minister and it always hurts when Christian leaders on the right want to impose morality for others that they can not live by. It is time the republican party stands up for their old time values. The republicans use the christian right and the christian right use the republican party.

So I'm now a 'religious bigot'? That's laughable since I said nothing to support this eroneous conclusion. No one has yet offered any evidence of a real discrimination against Christians in the USA. In fact, the separation of church and state has led to a great blossoming of many religions and various denominations in our great Country! Personally, I believe in minimal government intrusion in individuals' lives- you obviously disagree.

I also believe religion to be a personal, private matter that can not constitutionally be thrust upon others. Even atheists have the fundamental right to their lack of religion and should not be made to feel second-class citizens. Let me ask, would you be comfortable if you were arrested in a Muslim nation and the first thing you saw upon entering their court was the Koran?

As I recall, McCarthy (REPUBLICAN) held Senate hearings on supposed communists. When do the Senate hearings on Christianity commence?

Coulterfan,

You are one, Mixed-up individual, is all I can say about you!

Why is it that, If you shall consider yourself "intelligent" in the very least that you should stoop SO LOW as to call others "paranoid" and "insane"? Is that not a form of persecution?

Why makes you think that George Bush is not a Christian?
Why is George Bush hated? Why does the left spew all kinds of hate and invective spite on him??

Why do the ACLU and other hate groups want to remove the Christian symbols and God's name from government property? Are Christians FREE to live happy lives like non-Christians are? Is this not AMERICA? Are'nt Christians American?

Who has the authority to tell the President that he cannot mention God's name in a speech to the nation?

Why do atheists scribble graffiti onto the walls of our monuments in an effort to blot God's name out of America???

Why do atheists fight to tear America down? Atheists are FREE, So why not Christians??

Christians don't throw invective around and spit on people! No, Christians try to uplift people who are lost and want to give them hope in a world of sin sickness!!!

Are we Christians to sit back and ignore the attempts to stop us from doing GOOD? If so? WHY???

Why is Christianity such a bad thing? Because we tell someone that there IS hope for them! What's wrong with that????????????????????????????

Christians are what makes democracy BETTER AND STRONGER!!!

Anything wrong with that??

Now you tell me why you consider Bill Clinton to be Christian? Being the hateful, lying, and sin sick person that he is?

One thing is for sure!

THIS CHRISTIAN NATION WILL FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PUT *GOD FIRST* AND NOT ONLY HERE IN THIS NATION BUT ABROAD, AND THAT FREEDOM INCLUDES NOT ONLY YOUR CHOICE TO DO AS YOU PLEASE AS YOUR FREEDOMS. BUT YOU CAN *BE SURE* WE'LL FIGHT TO SUSTAIN THE FREEDOMS OF THOSE WHO WISH TO APPRECIATE WHAT GOD HAS DONE FOR THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN!

So do me a favor! drop the discriminatory insults against Christians, and show a little kindness for your fellow man!!!

Jeremiah

Bane-Excellent!
Jeremiah, Go get'em!:)

"The fear of and hatred for Christians and Christianity emanating from the left these days is palpable."-Mark Noonan

Yes, it is. It's not quite as bad as what Islam says about Christians, but one can see why Islam gets a pass from the liberal left MSM:

Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease.”

Qur’an 72:15 “But the Qasitun (disbelievers) are the firewood of hell.”

Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”

Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.”

Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”

coulterfan,

"A liberal government watchdog group has asked the Secret Service to release its records of prominent conservative Christian leaders' visits to the White House"

So, whats up with that? What do YOU think they want THAT information for? Please, educate me.

Michael,

Entirely comparable - and anyone who wants a list of any particular class of individuals who are lobbying the government is someone out to intimidate. It is un-American, plain and simple.

Mark and Michael,

Michael is correct. But, the fact is irrelevent. Discrimination can be based upon sex/gender, sexual orientation, color/race, religion, national origin, handicapped status, age, and other things I can't remember. There have been, and still are people killed for being gay, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, American, Chinese, well - you get it.

Would it be accpetable to ask for a list of Jewish people who have visited the White House? How about asking the Secret Service if they know the sexual orientation of people visiting the White House and if so to give a list of gays and lesbians?

Beware the slippery slope.....

So if a group of pedophiles were lobbying the government, it would be un-American for you to want to know?

"Why is it that, If you shall consider yourself "intelligent" in the very least that you should stoop SO LOW as to call others "paranoid" and "insane"? Is that not a form of persecution?"

No, it's not. Not anymore than referring to Polosi as "comrade"- is Noonan also persecuting Christians since Polosi is Christian? Can't a Christian be just as "paranoid" and "insane" as a non-Christian? If a Christian suggests to me that there is religious persecution against Christians in the USA, they are being more than a little paranoid.

When did I imply that Bush was not a Christian? Clinton, Kerry, Gore, etc- ALL OF THEM are Christian. Now, some 'Christians' may disagree with Jesus on issues like the death penality and divorce, but I will uphold their right to practice their religion as they see fit. I, along with MOST liberals, don't hate Bush- he's just incompetant and his policies have been disastrous for America. How do your feel about Clinton? I distinctly remember A LOT of REAL HATRED for Clinton coming from the right.

You misunderstand the ACLU, my friend. They support the right of Nazis to march, the right of atheists and Muslims to not feel discriminated against, heck-they have often defended Christians! Not to mention that they have defended the rights of drug abusers (Limbaugh) to keep his medical records private. They defended a high school student punished for wearing a "Pepsi" shirt on "Coke" day.

The founding fathers did not want a religious theocracy. The modern founder of YOUR party, Goldwater, said "The religious Right scares the Hell out of me!" If the founding fathers intended this to be a Christian nation, why is there no mention of Christianity in the Constitution and Bill of Rights? If publicly financed religious displays are alright with you, does that include publicly financed Islamic displays, Jewish displays, Hindu, Buddhist, etc? I thought 'Conservatives' wanted the government to butt out of our personal lives, but they are the ones who seem to want 'Big Government' the most!

"Would it be accpetable to ask for a list of Jewish people who have visited the White House? How about asking the Secret Service if they know the sexual orientation of people visiting the White House and if so to give a list of gays and lesbians?"

As I understand it, American Democracy is intended to be 'by the people and for the people' which implies openness and transparency in government. If a Jewish organization was lobbying the White House, or a gay/lesbian group, or the NAACP, or the CCC, the KKK, or Walmart, or whoever- if they are lobbying the White House in a PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, then I believe Americans have the right to know about it.

If, however, an individual visiting the White House happens to be gay/black/Christian/Muslim/etc, that is an issue of 'privacy' (in my opinion, though many Conservatives don't believe in 'privacy' rights). As long as they aren't professionally trying to lobby the White House to benefit their cause, we don't need to know about their personal lives.

See the difference?

Okay, I missed this one:

"Now you tell me why you consider Bill Clinton to be Christian? Being the hateful, lying, and sin sick person that he is?"

That, my friend, sounds hateful and VERY judgemental. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of you! "Judge not, lest ye be judged", right?

The Bush administration hasn't exactly been truthful, was VERY hateful during the 2004 campaign, and surrounds himself with convicted felons! He also is pro-death penalty (very un-Christian).

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." In addition to Jesus' critique of the death penalty, this phrase ALSO means to not judge others. Are you trying to tell me that none of your Christian friends/neighbors/spouses have ever lied, been unfaithful, sinned? I thought the point of Christianity was recognizing that we are ALL sinners and repenting. Clinton's behavior is up to him and his wife; I have no reason to judge his personal transgressions and shortcomings. I also don't judge Bush's Christian beliefs. He doesn't seem to exactly follow the scripture (see the Beatitudes, as well as his pro-war, pro-death penalty stances), but that is up to him and his relationship with God. I, however, will judge him on his ability to lead as President. On that count, he is an abject failure.

Jeremiah,

More on the ACLU:

"After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries"

http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

This is just one example, there are dozens of instances where the ACLU DEFENDED the rights of Christians.

BTW, Bob Barr (one of the house prosecutors during the Clinton impeachment hearings) is a card-carrying member of the ACLU.

Also, Rush Limbaugh (as mentioned previously) was defended by them. Interestingly, Limbaugh says he's Christian despite being married four times or so, Randall Terry-ist ALSO has been divorced. Jesus, as you know, spoke out vehemently against divorce:

Mark 10
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"
3 "What did Moses command you?" he replied.
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."
5 "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied.
6 "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'
7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

Matthew 19:

"9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

"1 Corinthians 7
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.
13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him."

This is just a sampling. Now, when did Jesus speak out against abortion and gay marriage?

Jeremiah, I think this verse will help you in life:

Mathhew 7:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye....

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."

Simply put, don't judge the salvation of others who profess to be Christian.

Coulterfan - nice set of rules YOU JUST MADE UP.
"As I understand it, American Democracy is intended to be 'by the people and for the people' which implies openness and transparency in government."

Or, it could imply that you have the right to communicate with your elected representatives without fear of those communications being used by unscrupulous political hacks to attack you.

Or, it could imply that since each person is first and foremost a CITIZEN then the maximum concern should be for their privacy.

Or, it could imply that since each person has the right to lobby and those people may be at odds with each other then neither party has the right to the others information.

But, even with YOUR special little interpretation Justice CoulterFan - Tell me how the Secret Service will be able to tell which visits were "professional" and which ones were not? Tell me where the law exists that says that lobbying the White House must be transparent? Do the same rules apply to Congress?

I mean, we know from experience that NPR will share doner lists with the Democrats - should they share them with the general public when they do that?

Are you familiar with the phrase "witch hunt"?

Oh and Barry Goldwater, the modern founder of our party? Give me a break and stick to your own party.

Kahn,

Isn't the Freedom of Information Act a law enacted by Congress and signed into law by Clinton? Wouldn't that make it a LAW?

Do you not think Goldwater was the modern founder of the Conservative movement? Reagan thought so. . .

Maybe George Allen, Rick Santorum, and Mark Foley would be the modern founders, though- since there's no longer anything 'Conservative' about the Republican party any longer.

Oh, and I know that everyone on this board likes to call liberals 'Anti-American', but who were the biggest TRAITORS in the history of our country? Who took up arms against the USA and tried to secede from the Union? ISN'T THAT BY DEFINITION ANTI-AMERICAN? This would make George Allen and all of the racists who fly the Confederate flag ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS, would it not?

coulter,

He also said, "go forth and sin no more"...you might want to take that to heart, as well.

Thanks Mark, I try not to sin or judge the patriotism or religious beliefs of others. I hope others around here will stop as well.

Mark,

I obviously missed your nuance. Your quote comes from John 8:11 which is immediately after Jesus condemns the death penalty with the quote I previously referred to: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". The woman is being stoned to death for adultery. Clearly, you meant that those who remarry should cease sinning and either be celibate or return to their first spouse. Either that or you were telling those who are pro-death penalty to "sin no more" and to re-examine their stance on the issue.

I agree with you and apologize for missing your subtly.

Coulterfan,

You know what, Mark is right! so why don't you do that if you are a Christian, After all, it is commanded of those who have been converted.

What you need to do first, is rebuke that demon inside you, that's why you want to refute everything that the Christians have to say here, is because you think you are superior to everybody else. Instead of respecting the rights and forthstandings of others and their innocence, you look down on them, and want to make spite and ridicule them, and that is the demon that is inside you causing you to do all those sinful acts, so REBUKE SATAN and tell him to get behind you, In JESUS NAME, and he will flee from you in an instant, and you will feel security and peace within your body,heart,mind and soul.

All your arguments are in vain my friend, until you come to know Jesus Christ!

:)

Jeremiah

Coulterfan,

In an earlier statement you made to me you said,

"Now, when did Jesus speak out against abortion and gay marriage?"

Here's what Jude verse 7 says:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of THOSE WHO SUFFER THE PUNISHMENT OF *ETERNAL* *FIRE*"

And much Greater fire than we can know here on earth, there's no limit or explanation for the heat of hell fire!

Also, here is a verse or two to back Mark up on his statement and to verify it more clearly so you can understand it.

Hebrews chapter 10 verse 26 through 28.

"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, NO SACRIFICE FOR SINS IS LEFT! but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses!

So you see! It is better to 'walk the walk' than it is to profess it by talking the talk!
And you do much talking to know everything that there is to know about being a Christian!

If you want to know Joy and Peace, there is only ONE who can give that to you and that is Jesus!

Good night!

Jeremiah

Jeremiah & Mark Noonan
Although it's a little off the original topic, I'm very interested in the questions coulterfan raises about the seeming contradictions between Jesus Christ's instructions and the Republican party's actions.

How do you square Jesus Christ's condemnation of all killing with the support for the death penalty and the Iraq war? How do you square instrutions to care for the poor with cuts in social programs, the lack of response to Katrina, tax cuts for the wealthy, immigration policy, pork barrel spending, Karl Rove's political tactics, etc? How do you square instruction to sell your possesions and give your money to the poor with Republican policy? The be-attitudes with the culture of corruption?

Christ's words don't seem ambiguous. Republican's actions don't seem ambiguous. To me they seem to be in complete opposition. I'm not trying to provoke you. I'm really intested in your thoughts.

coulterfan -

"Oh, and I know that everyone on this board likes to call liberals 'Anti-American', but who were the biggest TRAITORS in the history of our country? Who took up arms against the USA and tried to secede from the Union? ISN'T THAT BY DEFINITION ANTI-AMERICAN? This would make George Allen and all of the racists who fly the Confederate flag ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS, would it not?"

Um,
The South split when a Republican president was elected.
After the Civil War the Republican ran the south for a while (from the north) in a period called "reconstruction". They were not brutal enough however as at this time the KKK came into being.
For nearly 100 years the KKK was almost 100% Democrat. Democrats voted 80% against the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Then, they put in welfare to get back the control they lost.

The States that do, or did have confederate flags as part of their state flags UNIVERSALLY had them put their by Democrat governors and legistlatures. Without exception.

And Virginia, the State that George Allen serves has never had the stars-n-bars in our flag. Our flag is a picture depicting the death of a tyrant and the Latin motto - sic semper tyranus is translated as Death to Tyrants. You really are ignorant you know that?

The Freedom of Information Act gives citizens access to government documents. Yes. So, should the Secret Service start handing each citizen a quetionaire before entering the White House? Should they START recording the religous, political, sexual, gender, political beliefs, etc. status of United States citizens who are exercising their rights under the Constitution? Do you think that they are keeping track of what organizations a person belongs to on the sign in sheets? Should they start?

"Yes sir, welcome to the White House to day. Before you enter we need to know a few facts. What is your religion pleasde?
Oh, Christian? Do you represent any Christian organizations?
Are you gay? You are not?
Do you fool around on your wife? Just asking sir. For the Freedom of Information you see.
Where were you parents and grandparents born? Are any of the Jews? Well Sir, I wouldn't have thought it important either but CBS thought George Allens Jewish grandmother was important so we're just asking.
Were you ever a member of the KKK? Yes? Go right in Senator Byrd.

Jeremiah,

Are you SURE that those are the words of Jesus? They seem to be Jude and Hebrews verses referring to an Old Testament story. I could quote verses to you from the Bible to support slavery, prohibit the eating of cloven animals, or support stoning women to death for infidelity. Christianity, though, is about trying to live like Christ- you still haven't provided anything Christ said about abortion or gay sex. He said plenty about the death penalty and divorce, though. I'm sure you oppose both as strongly as you do abortion and gay marriage.

Kahn. . .no need for insults. I understand that Southern Democrats (or 'Dixiecrats') were racist and Confederate. These people, however, became Republicans when the Democratic party supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Strom Thurmond, for example, was one Dixiecrat turned Republican). I'm sure you know this, but are being disingenuous now. The party of Lincoln is no longer the progressive, civil-rights orientated party, my friend.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Senator Allen have a Confederate flag in his office and at his residence? Sort of peculiar for someone who was born and raised in California, don't you think? As I recall, he also had a "noose" (as he referred to it more than once) hanging from a 'tree' in his law office, didn't he?

Also, don't you think that representatives from the ACLU, or the Union, or gay/lesbian organizations, or Christian organizations (Focus on the Family, etc)- DON'T YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE PAID TO TRAVEL TO DC? IF THEY ARE ON A FAMILY VACATION, IT IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A TRIP PAID-FOR AND FUNDED BY A GAY-RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, OR A UNION, OR FOCUS ON THE FAMILY, OR ???? I can't believe you would be so dense that you couldn't tell the difference! If I take a BUSINESS TRIP, I sure DON'T PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but I feel I have to sort of spell it out for you since you don't seem to be understanding my point. Hopefully you understand the difference now between a PERSONAL and a BUSINESS visit!

Kahn,

Hey, look! A whole page on Dixiecrats is only a Google away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

BTW, what Byrd did as a member of the KKK was despicable. He has, however, publicly recanted, apologized, expressed deep remorse, and asked for forgiveness. It wouldn't be very Christian to not accept his apology and his trying to rectify his behavior, would it? Likewise, Strom Thurmond recanted, hired black staffers, AND VOTED FOR MLK DAY AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY (something George Allen voted against, mind you). When someone asks for forgiveness and changes their behavior (Thurmond and Byrd), why won't you forgive them?

In contrast, Allen LIES through his teeth about his past, LIES about 'making up' a French-Tunisian slur for black people 'macaca' (what a coindidence that his mom is French Tunisian!!!), has the Confederate flag as part of his 'flag colleciton' (of two flags!), has a noose in his law office, talks about 'kicking their soft teeth down their whiny throats' (WWJD?), etc, etc. Does this sound like someone asking for forgiveness and trying to change his ways? Does he DESERVE forgiveness?

"so REBUKE SATAN and tell him to get behind you"

WTF??? When did I say anything in support of satan?

That seems like sort of an unfair attack. You ask me why I hate Bush, then say something very hateful about Clinton. I say I don't hate Bush, but you seem to hate Clinton, but I disagree with Bush's policies.

Then, you say I should 'REBUKE SATAN'? That doesn't seem to logically follow our conversation, in my opinion.

WTF????

coulterfan, the only possible insult in my post was about your ignorance. I assure you, that was not meant as an insult but as a prod that maybe you should check your rants a little. Your statements have been all over the board and a little light on facts.

You are wrong about the Dixiecrats "becoming" Republican. Again, ignorance. Go read some will ya? Byrd for example is still there. Heck, he even voted against the civil rights and voting rights bills. I don't think either of my two senators was ever a Democrat. It is hard to argue with new liberal posters here because usually you are light on facts and have a bunch of misguided predujudices that we need to overcome. Sad really.

Name some other Democrat to Republican conversions. Your party, as late as the mid 1960's voted AGAINST civil rights laws. Immediately afterward, LBJ's "great society" addicted the blacks to government money. You lost the ability to control through intimidation and "fixed" it by getting control through addiction (to government money). Ever since then when a Republican says "hey, maybe blacks should stand on their own and we should break this addiction", they are branded as racist. Just when do YOU think the Democrats became the party of civil rights and the Republicans didn't? What year or few years? It wasn't the 60's. Was it the 70's? The 80's? When?

We did not and do not like you keeping the blacks from developing by keeping them addicted to welfare. We did not and do not like the fact that you use this addiction to control their vote.

I understand your White House argument perfectly well. The converstion I outlined is perfectly reasonable under YOUR position. I understand you, I just reject your argument. You refuse to admit the wider ramifications of a position that you are apparently arguing for short term political gain. The Secret Service does not care who visits the President so long as they are not a threat. If tracking Christians is fair game, then so is tracking any other group that anyone wants to track. Thats the way laws work - they need to be carefully crafted or you get unwanted and/or unexpected consequenses. People take laws and push them to their logical limits.

You want to know what "prominent Christians" are visiting the White House. Someone else want to know how many Jews ar visiting the White House. And still someone else wants to know how many gays and lesbians are visiting the White House. Since the Secret Service does not care, and does not keep records like that... then just what SHOULD they ask? Should they maintain a complete sexual, religous, personal, business, national origin profile on every visitor to the White House and make that available to the public? THAT is what you are asking for.

I just disagree with you.

coulter,

That is because you don't really understand what Jeremiah is talking about - you simply don't know.

Kahn,

We sort of got off topic here. You're right, the CRA was basically a North-South split, with 93% of southern Democrats voting against it and 100% of southern Republicans votoing against it. Meanwhile, 94% of northern Democrats voted for it, as did 85% of northern Republicans.

If you're trying to argue that Republicans are the party of civil rights, then that's laughable. 90% of black people are Democrats. You argue that Johnson's Great Society left people dependent on welfare, but Clinton pushed welfare reform during the 90s when this became apparent. Bush has spent vastly more (as a percentage of GDP) than Johnson EVEN EXCLUDING MILITARY EXPENDITURES! He is also building a 'Great Society' in Iraq. . .now that it's clear that HIS policies aren't working, is he going to change course?

You called me 'ignorant' when I accused Allen and his ilk of being Anti-American for revering the Confederate flag, yet you attack Byrd. A MUCH GREATER percentage of minorities vote for Byrd than Allen BECAUSE of their voting records. You may think that Allen's policies are better for minorities, but you are ignoring reality. Just as if I stated that Democrats are more in line with Christian ideals, that would ignore that Evangelicals are vastly more Republican.

It's also strange to find a Republican who believes in privacy rights, ESPECIALLY in this age of warrantless wiretaps, etc. Also, as I recall MANY Republicans were on the wrong side of Lawrence vs. TX precisely because they do not believe in 'Griswold vs CT' privacy rights. So, in their minds it is okay to infringe on what consenting adults do in their own bedroom, BUT NOT TO ASK ORGANIZATIONS ON BUSINESS TRIPS MEETING DIRECTLY WITH THE WHITE HOUSE WHAT THEIR AFFILIATION IS???

Mark,

So, that's the way to have an argument?? Don't answer any questions posed to you, don't respond to any points, but when it appears that you're losing, TO ACCUSE YOUR OPPONENT OF BEING A SATANIST?!?!?!?

Obviously, some people have never taken logic class!

HEY LOOK!!!!

All of the infamous 'Gore Coffee Klatch' illegal fundraiser donors were released when requested and are FULLY searchable, including BY EMPLOYER!

http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/Database_search/db_search.cgi?setup_file=coffee.setup

So, Kahn, you're against this sort of disclosure? You're also against asking for the employers of 'prominent Americans'?

BTW, Ricky Martin or Clay Aiken are 'prominent gay Americans', like Mel Gibson is a 'promient Christian'. However, Dobson runs FOTF and Hoffa is the head of the Teamsters Union. See the difference now????

Hey Mark,

You missed the KEY point (what a surprise)! CREW requested this info because of contacts with Abramhoff (a convicted felon) regarding NIGC. Individuals like Ralph Reed who have illegally enriched themselves off of Indian gambling revenues (not very Christian):

http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/campaign.php?view=83

Gore had illegal fundraisers and received a FOIA request. These 'prominent Christians' were involved with convicted felon Jack Abramhoff.

Jeremiah,

SATAN causes your HATRED towards Clinton and other liberal Christians! CAST OUT YOUR DEMONS!! JESUS WAITS FOR YOU, my friend!

Oh, and why haven't you answered any of my questions about the teachings of Jesus? What are your stances on the death penalty and divorce- shouldn't those be illegal in a 'Christian nation'?

People are being threatened with jail time, losing their jobs, being forced to inform on their friends and being shunned by their community because they are Christian?

Didn't know...

Personally, as a Christian, I think it's a valid question to know how many, and how often Christian leaders are visiting the White House because their are certain factions of Christinity in this country who are pushing a strong political agenda. I think its perfectly reasonable to know how often they are visiting the White House. I think it's perfectly reasonable to know how often anyone is visiting the White House.

Coulterfan,

"What are your stances on the death penalty and divorce- shouldn't those be illegal in a 'Christian nation'?"

Let's look at it this way: Let's say for instance that somebody 'snapped' just like the guy who done that horrific thing to those precious little Amish school children, and let's say that person in a similar way, would rape your Mother and then stabbed her to death with a knife, and after that, he shot your Dad and killed him, and then on top of that he murdered your younger brother or sister. Would you feel that justice would be served after that person done those terrible acts to your ONLY family to let him go, and do more evil deeds to OTHER families????? If you say YES? Then you most DEFINITELY have rocks for brains!!!!

Jesus does not approve of murder in no way shape or form of people who are innocent. But...Those who have and are out on a murder spree are not allowed to continue murdering innocent people. The execution of murderers is to set an example for what will happen to those who think that they can do anything that they please to other people, In other words to say: HEY! YOU BETTER WATCH WHAT YOU DO, YOU BE NICE TO PEOPLE, AND DON'T HURT THEM, OR ELSE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WILL GET IF YOU DO, Thus...cutting down on crime!!!!

Matthew chapter 5 verse 21 says:

""You have heard that is was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, AND ANYONE WHO MURDERS *WILL BE SUBJECT TO JUDGEMENT.'"" - Spiritual(when you stand before God Almighty) judgement and physical(here on earth) Thus... whatever form of execution that may be.

Now, As for myself, I don't want to see someone executed IF they are innocent, but...If they are GUILTY? By all means, EXECUTE...

Coulterfan...you said in an earlier statement:

"SATAN causes your HATRED towards Clinton and other liberal Christians! CAST OUT YOUR DEMONS!! JESUS WAITS FOR YOU, my friend!

I DO NOT hate Bill Clinton! Although, Needless to say though he has caused some irrefutably TERRIBLE deeds during his administration, things that will be straightened out in the by and by provided that this country stays on course!
He has shown his demented guilt on television many times, like when spoke with Chris Wallace, concerning his dealings with OBL, he talked to Chris like a dog, heck, even talked like he was going to do something bad to Chris right there in the interview, and Chris had not done anything to cause him to talk to him that way, No, there was a demon in him that day, and probably STILL IS, Just like the time he looked the reporters staight in the eye, he said, and I quote: " I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monika lewinsky" and then later he finally got up the nerve to tell the American people that he indeed DID LIE, and the very first words that came out of his mouth were: "Ok, I did lie and yes I did have sexual relations with this woman, Monika Lewinsky" and yet to this day he still tries to lie his way out of his guilty demented deeds. He signed into law the murder of unborn children, which tells you how much he really cares about LIFE and so forth. He allowed many terrible things to happen to American that should NEVER have happened. He drove our economy into the ground, he put more people on welfare than any President in history! As far as hating him, Nooo, I just wish he would get saved and quit this foolishness of hating America!!

"SATAN cause your HATRED"

I have no worries about Satan or his demons! Because all I have to do is call upon the name of Jesus, and He will take care of me!

"JESUS WAITS FOR YOU"

Yes, And there's just a few more days to labor here on earth, and I'll look across Jordan's River to take my heavenly flight and He calls me HOME, PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!THANK YOU JESUS!!

So, Coulerfan,

I would invite you to accept Jesus into your life today! and you'll feel a joy that you have never experienced before!!

Psalm 118:24

"For this is the day that the Lord hath made, Let us rejoice and be glad in it"

:)

Jeremiah

Coulterfan,

Divorce:

Matthew 19:4

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female',
and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. THEREFORE WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET MAN NOT SEPERATE."

verse 8 explains:

"Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

What this say is, Those of sound mind are to accept and OBEY these rules, but those who are of mental illness are probably not going to marry at all, which is acceptable because Jesus understands their situation.

The bible also says, and I interpret my own way, and I think I understand it pretty clearly, and that is, the bible instructs a person if they are to marry and one member of that marriage whether man or wife should die? the surviving person should not re-marry for cleanliness purposes. Alsot he unity of any marriage should ALWAYS BE BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN!! or refer to Matthew 19 verse 4 He created them male and female!

Jeremiah

coulterfan - 100% of the southern Republicans voted against civil rights? Well, how many was that exactly? Like almost none - since the south was controlled by Democrats. Really, don't be so obtuse.

85% of Democrats in both Houses voted against the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Bills. More than 86% of Republicans voted for these rights. The Republican minority, with help from northern Democrats (you were right there) passed Civil Rights. LBJ and the Democrat majority immediately passed the welfare laws in response to regain control. Criminy - admit it.

Did Clinton adopt some minor reforms? Well kinda - under a Republican majority he did. You know there are THREE branches of government - right?

The Democrats must be for civil rights because the blacks vote for them? How about the blacks vote for Democrats because blacks associate them with free money. Duh. You make a logical error by assuming that the outcome (blacks voting for Democrats) is because Democrats are for civil rights. There are other explanations.

And Harry Byrd is a former KKK member who supported them after leaving, voted against the Civil Rights and Voting Rights bills, and is a current member of the Senate. I don't know why the blacks vote for him. Again, maybe he buys their votes?

AND - It looks like you can already get the information you're asking for so whats your beef? If you think that YOUR political activities should be made public at the demand of your enemies then by all means lobby your Congressperson and Senator to make it be law. It is your right. Hey, why not post your real name, address, and phone number here while you're at it?

"Let's say for instance that somebody 'snapped' just like the guy who done that horrific thing to those precious little Amish school children, and let's say that person in a similar way, would rape your Mother and then stabbed her to death with a knife, and after that, he shot your Dad and killed him, and then on top of that he murdered your younger brother or sister. Would you feel that justice would be served after that person done those terrible acts to your ONLY family to let him go, and do more evil deeds to OTHER families????? If you say YES? Then you most DEFINITELY have rocks for brains!!!!"

Murder is murder and it is ALWAYS wrong. The Amish are preaching forgiveness and are raising money for a memorial for the family of the murderer; they are real, non-vindictive Christians. Punishment can include life without parole which would insure that he can never kill or rape again. But Jesus NEVER condoned murder and spoke out against the death penalty more than once (Mathew 5:38-39 ""You have heard that it was said,'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.") You, my friend, are speaking out of vindictive vengeance, not a Christ-like attribute.

Now, you know as well as I that Clinton got angry during the Wallace interview because of the leading question. I've also seen Bush angry towards the press, during interviews, and during speeches. In fact, the 2004 RNC Convention was filled with vitriol and anger by nearly all speakers. Does this mean Bush and the entire RNC are filled with DEMONS?!?!!?!?!? Maybe Zell Miller is (I know, he's a Democrat), but I think the vast majority of them were angry, like Clinton. The fact is he did try to get OBL and Bush DID ignore Bin Laden, so the question really was unfair. Furthermore, Bush's lies amount to a WHOLE LOT MORE than lying about infidelity. And are you REALLY sure that no Christians you know have EVER lied about infidelity? Are you ready to 'cast the first stone'? Adultery is adultery and it is wrong. Despite the fact that Rush Limbaugh, Randall Terry-ist, et al have been divorced (and commited adultery), it is not my place to judge.

Kahn:

"The Democrats must be for civil rights because the blacks vote for them? How about the blacks vote for Democrats because blacks associate them with free money. Duh. You make a logical error by assuming that the outcome (blacks voting for Democrats) is because Democrats are for civil rights. There are other explanations."

Like because Republicans call them 'macaca', or pretend to play guitar while New Orleans drowns, or try to suppress their votes, or underfund their schools, or are against 'affirmative action' (something Condi Rice and Colin Powell support, but what would they know?), or ???

Jeremiah:

"The bible also says, and I interpret my own way, and I think I understand it pretty clearly, and that is, the bible instructs a person if they are to marry and one member of that marriage whether man or wife should die? the surviving person should not re-marry for cleanliness purposes. Alsot he unity of any marriage should ALWAYS BE BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN!"

Good, so we agree that Christianity prohibits divorce and remarriage like it does homosexuality. So in a 'Christian Nation' we NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE!!! People like Randall Terry-ist and Rush Limbaugh SHOULD NOT ENJOY THE SAME CIVIL RIGHTS AS MARRIED PEOPLE!!!!!

At least we're consistent, my friend.

Nope!

They can divorce, but they CAN'T re-marry!

Get your consistency straight there Mr. professor.

Jeremiah

There is only ONE WAY that they can remarry is, If one dies the other must marry that persons brother or sister whichever the case may be. but NO others!

Jeremiah

... And NO we don't need a constitutional amendment to prohibit divorce, But...YES WE DO NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO *PROHIBIT* HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE.

Now, go rabble off to someone else ok.

Jeremiah

"... And NO we don't need a constitutional amendment to prohibit divorce, But...YES WE DO NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO *PROHIBIT* HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE."

So, we don't need the marriage amendment in order to preserve "Christian marriages", but just to enshrine bigotry and discrimination in our Constitution?

Personally, as a social libertarian (I want government OUT of our lives), I don't think there should be ANYTHING about marriage in the Constitution. Shouldn't a 'free society' allow people and their religious organizations to choose their families? Should the Constitution be changed with an Amendment about birthdays?

BIG-GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES????

Speaking of which, if abortion is outlawed AND you believe in the death penalty for murder, then a woman who has an abortion should be put to death, correct? (Or life in prison if you change your view on the death penalty to Jesus' view). The father would also be prosecuted for accomplice to murder. Furthermore, a pregnant woman who drinks or smokes would be prosecuted for providing controlled substances to a minor, she would be prosecuted for child endangerment if not wearing her seat belt, etc. If a woman miscarries, a crimnal investigation would have to be opened to investigate the child's death- all of these things legally follow from recognizing a fetus as a child under the law. This is part of the reason that abortion will not be illegal (also, the fact that Laura Bush, Condi Rice, Barbara Bush, Guiliani, Pataki, etc are pro-choice)

As you know, moral choices only have meaning WHEN WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE! Gambling is also prohibited under a strict reading of the Bible, yet Bill Bennet (the morality czar!) had a bit of a gambling problem and Ralph Reed enriched himself off the lobbying money of Indian Gambing Casinos. Why not a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gambling, lotteries, etc? FREEDOM, is why!

Unless you are willing to accept ALL the consequences of recognizing a fetus as a person outlined above and THE BIGGEST, MOST INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT WE'VE EVER HAD, then abortion will remain legal (as it has been from the founding of our country). Face it, Fundamentalist Christians have been USED and BAMBOOZLED by this administration in a cynical, power hungry way! There will NEVER be a marriage amendment, my friend nor will abortion be made entirely illegal. It is up to YOU to be a good Christian and to not have it imposed on you by BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

Jeremiah,

On the same subject, you've probably noticed recently that the Republicans PRETEND to abhor the 'gay lifestyle', but the House Leadership looked the other way when Foley was preying on young male pages. He ISN'T JUST GAY, HE'S A PEDOPHILE! This is obviously duplicitous, as is the fact that the GOP exploits anti-gay sentiment amongst the voters WHILE BEING LED BY MEHLMAN, a known homosexual. Likewise, Drier and others are known to be gay by their fellow legislators, BUT NOT BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS!

Face it, Republicans have been cynically exploiting the 'value voters' and fundamentalists, but have REALLY been more interested in holding onto power. The Republicans control the WHITE HOUSE, BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS, the SUPREME COURT and MOST GOVERNORSHIPS (and most FEDERAL AND STATE COURTS, as well) YET abortion is still legal, there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, and NO FLAG BURNING AMENDMENT. The political climate has been as conservative as it's EVER been, but NOTHING they've promised to fundamentalists has been done! IF NOT NOW, WHEN?!?!?!?

You can't blame Democrats, because they control NOTHING and haven't had control of Congress since 1994! And NOW there are actually Republicans BLAMING the pages for the Foley affair! As if it isn't up to the Congressperson to set the limits in their dealings with underage children!!! It should be obvious to everyone that the GOP has NO ETHICS and NO SHAME AT ALL!!!

" “MEHLMAN, a known homosexual. Likewise, Drier and others are known to be gay by their fellow legislators, "

Oh the tolerant progressives. Ya’ know, I don’t ever recall reading a conservative “outing” someone for their sexual orientation. I don’t recall any conservative outing a family because of a family member’s sexual orientation. Must be a progressive thing.

"NO ETHICS and NO SHAME AT ALL!!! " How true.

Coulterfan,

Why so much hate, my friend???

In your little petty list there, nearly half the folks you mention are good, honest, down to earth Christian folks!

You bring up lies to support your demented and twisted theories!

That's alright, You go right on, keep hating like that, you'll see where it will get you, and don't come to me asking why you are in the shape you are in!!!!!!!!

There is one thing about you and that is, You are one sad, and pitiful case! All you care about is taking innocent life, and how you can drag this country into the most vile and filthy pit of sin that you can!

As for myself, I'm going to do what is right and what is the Christian thing to do, because my eternal destiny is far more important than some earthly pit of sin! and mainly because I am thankful for what Jesus Christ done for me, and I want to do what is best in His sight!

If I can do anything at all to help stop abortion I am going to do it, because innocent life deserves a chance at life! because that's what Jesus would do!! and that is what is most important to me!!

A word of advice to you Coulterfan, If you want to pick up your cross and follow Jesus you are welcome in to the fold....

but don't stand in his way to try and stop him!

When the power of God moves, NOTHING stands in the way!!

Jeremiah

coulterfan - Changing subject - libereal blog poster tactic number 5.

"Like because Republicans call them 'macaca', or pretend to play guitar while New Orleans drowns, or try to suppress their votes, or underfund their schools, or are against 'affirmative action' (something Condi Rice and Colin Powell support, but what would they know?), or ???"

macaca? macaca? Had you EVER heard that word before the press made it an issue? It is considered an insult in some small parts of South East Asia and the man he called Mr. macaca was Indian. You guys are dolts on this. George Allens numbers have doubled since you stared this stupid attack.

You guys treat Katrina like it was a TV movie expecting immediate help from areas who themselkves were suffering from the hurricane. Too stupid.

And I think you'll find tha Powell and Rice are flat out outstanding individuals and kinda brilliant. My next door neighbor works at State and says that Rice has the air of a great person and even if you didn't know who she was you'd still be IMMEDIATLY impressed. Another friend who does contract work at State (at a pretty high level) uses almost identical language. You are condesending and ignorant. And, you would be more credible if you admitted when someone with an opposing view makes a valid point. "affirmative Action is discrimination.

But no, revel in your hatred while your brain boils like an egg on a hot road.

LBJ bought the black vote with free housing and welfare after the Democrats lost the ability to intimidate them when the Republicans passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Bills. Their leaders sold them out. Now when even black leaders like Bill Cosby or Juan Williams point this out they are attacked.

"There is one thing about you and that is, You are one sad, and pitiful case! All you care about is taking innocent life, and how you can drag this country into the most vile and filthy pit of sin that you can!"

WHO hates? This is similar to the stuff you said about Clinton! I NEVER attacked any individuals- it is TRUE that Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, et al are pro-choice. If you don't believe it, you can use Google and find THEIR OWN WORDS, my friend.

I do, however, hate hypocrisy. Like removing the speck in someone else's eye when you have a log in your own, many on the Right claim to be everything they are not. I HAVE NOTHING against homosexuals, but don't verbally 'Gay Bash' others if you ARE a practicing homosexual yourself (a la Mehlman, Foley, etc). I have much more respect for those who are consistent in their behavior and beliefs.

Kahn-

"And I think you'll find tha Powell and Rice are flat out outstanding individuals and kinda brilliant."

Did I say they weren't? Just because they are pro-choice and pro-affirmative action only diminishes them in YOUR mind! These are facts, again, feel free to Google for yourself.

Macaca is a French Tunisian slur against minorities and Allen's mother in French Tunisian. What an unbelievable coincidence! And, hey, if you think Katrina was handled as well as it could have been, then you are in the DISTINCT minority. CANADIAN TROOPS were dropping supplies in that region BEFORE AMERICAN TROOPS WERE!

Good luck in this election cycle, my friends. If this is THE BEST Republicans can do (as you seem to believe), you need all the help you can get!

"But no, revel in your hatred while your brain boils like an egg on a hot road."

I don't hate anyone. I disagree with the GOP policies, but don't hate anyone. You better go back to what I said about the individuals you think I hate and re-read what I ACTUALLY said! It's funny that you accuse others of what you do yourself. . .

The facts about Allen are the facts. If he, unlike Byrd, is unwilling to come to terms with his racist past, he has no chance of redemption.

Had YOU ever heard the word macaca before? And was it a class... or a racial slur. And, isn't this just a little bit nitpicky? And, his numbers have doubled so keep it up.

And the Democrats lost the ability to control with intimidation and replaced this control with addiction to wefare and crappy government housing... agreed?

"And the Democrats lost the ability to control with intimidation and replaced this control with addiction to wefare and crappy government housing... agreed?"

Yeah, and it took that GREAT Republican President, Bill Clinton, to reform welfare and wean the poor off of their addiction to welfare! Now look who's 'addicted to welfare'- it's the HUGE corporations lobbying for tax breaks and nobid contracts who are RIPPING OFF the American taxpayer! 9 BILLION DOLLARS were LOST in Iraq?!?!?!?!?!? That's WAY MORE than all the crappy Federal social programs combined!

Jeremiah, I just can't let this go:

""There is one thing about you and that is, You are one sad, and pitiful case! All you care about is taking innocent life, and how you can drag this country into the most vile and filthy pit of sin that you can!"

HOW can you judge me and say such hateful things to me? My sin is being a Democrat? Billy Graham was a Democrat, is his goal also "to drag this country into the most vile and filthy pit of sin he could find"?

I mean, you can be AGAINST seat belt laws (like Reagan), but not be anti-highway safety. You can be anti-civil rights law (like Goldwater) and not be racist. You can be against anti-smoking laws and not be for smoking. You can be anti-hate crimes laws (like most Republicans) and not be PRO hate crimes (except for Allen! Just Kidding ; ) ETC! You seem to hate me and Clinton for the same reason, because we're Democrats. Leave the judging to GOD, my friend.

Kahn:

"Had YOU ever heard the word macaca before? And was it a class... or a racial slur. And, isn't this just a little bit nitpicky?"

Do you know ALL French racial slurs? What about ALL German slurs? Just because you're not aware of them doesn't mean they DON'T exist! It's a pattern: the Conferdate flag, the noose, the use of the 'n' word and then lying about it, etc. At least Webb admits he's used the word in the past AND has apologized to women for his previous statements about women in the military. Why don't you like Webb? He was good enough for Reagan. . .

And the only poll that matters is Nov 7. . .

Coulterfan,

You need HELP!!!

See the local psychiatrist near YOU!!

Jeremiah

"Coulterfan,

You need HELP!!!

See the local psychiatrist near YOU!!

Jeremiah"

Always a pithy, detailed response from Jeremiah! Personal insult after personal insult when I've never insulted YOU! Oh well, it's good to have Christian ideals, even if you never plan to TRY to live up to them!

But I know it's the DEMONS WITHIN YOU talking, my brother! Let go of your HATRED and ACCEPT GOD'S LOVE because that HATE doesn't come from JESUS!