I won't get into the silly arguments about religion, the left, and stem cell research. The kooks always claim that the Bush administration and the Republicans are opposed to stem cell research, when in fact they are opposed to federally-funded stem cell research.

Now enjoy yourselves arguing this and the left's faux interest in religion--bring on the kooks...

Would Jesus:
Vote for torture?
Vote for illegal wire taps?
Vote for cutting spending for social projects that help the poor?
Vote for bankruptcy bill that hurts the middle-class?
Lie about WMD to start a war?
Send obscene text messages to a 16-year-old?

According to Mr. Bell's logic, Jesus would also support Dr Mengela's experiments done for the benefit of the Third Reich. Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other "unter mench" use as fodder for scientific research. How sad...........

To further clarify: Republicans are not opposed to stem cell research, but rather are opposed to embryonic stem cell research, as well as federal funding thereof.

This is one of the things that pisses me off about politics today.

One should never use the name of God or Jesus or any diety to garner support for political views and beliefs. Not only does it immediately paint anyone who is opposed to said view to be against that diety, it is also inherently misleading...

To tell you the truth, Jesus probably wouldn't vote for either political party... they both tend to be pretty immoral.

Let your religion inform your beliefs... don't attribute your political beliefs to God.

Democrats don't need to "get religion." They need a realtionship with God.

“When Jesus healed the lepers, he didn’t consult the Pharisees,” Bell said during a state-wide conference call. “I believe God gives us the tools of science and technology to help our fellow man. We cannot let politics stand in the way of curing disease and healing the sick..."

Jesus also did not try to levy any taxes or set up a welfare system in order to heal the sick.

1H8L1BS, you illustrate a point that many of us forget. The right to criticize or dissent comes with the responsibility to correctly understand and characterize what is being criticized or dissented from. Those who accuse Bush and the Pubs of opposing stem-cell research in the manner you refer to are neglecting this responsibility. Here we also see where Bush's critics are the real liars.

Let your religion inform your beliefs... don't attribute your political beliefs to God.

Good advice, Frawg. It is interesting that Bell refers to the Pharisees in the way that seems to imply that they were political, rather than religious, authorities. The trouble with discussing the relationship of religion and politics, while invoking Jesus, is that while we think of them as two separate things, the culture Jesus was born into did not. Many Jews of His time were looking for a political messiah who would free them from the empire of Rome, and based their expectations on religion, mainly the writings that we now call the Old Testament.

Wow, no rats posting on this one? You may be willing stay outside if there is no room, but some posters would be diving in the door in front of women and children. I bet you could even name them, and even they know who they are. They may even be in shortly, I doubt they honor the day; they are just not up yet.

If Jesus came back today, most on the Religious Right would have him executed all over again.

And the Republicans would be jeering that He is a liberal terrorist appeaser.

Wade

The question should be, how will Jesus judge us.

Wade,

I can't think of anything Jesus would do that would cause a conservative to get upset - on the other hand, the liberals would arrest him for hate crimes...all that "go forth and sin no more" stuff...

GA,

We deserve pretty harsh judgement, all of us. I'm certainly not worthy...on the other hand, He does hold out complete forgiveness.

Georgia,

It would depend - it is, I think, inappropriate for a politician to say, "vote for me because God wants you to", but to say "do (or don't do) X, because God wishes (or doesn't wish) for us to do it"...that is another matter. While you can dispute someone making such a claim, I don't think that making such a claim is inherently illegitimate. On the other hand, it is fraught with risks - so anyone doing it should prayerfully consider it before making such a statement.

Christian,

I wonder if Jesus would say, vis a vis the Iraqis, "let them suffer, as rescuing them isn't worth the effort"?

What would Jesus do? Since Jesus had supernatural powers it seems that such a question is problematic in informing human (non-supernatural) action. Since Jesus could cure lepers, the blind, the paralyzed, indeed, could raise the dead, he had many more options for action than humans.

However, it might be interesting to ask, how would Jesus think about things, big challenges we face, and then take that into account along with other human thinking.

Related to the story over on First Things, the parable suggests that the soccer mom values the embryo for what it is “And all human beings are subjects of profound, inherent, intrinsic worth in virtue of what they are, not what they can do.”

If that’s the case, then such value should continue throughout the life of the human being. Does it? Are there times when human beings can be devalued? If it’s ever possible to answer yes for any other human being what does it mean for an embryo?

Here's an opportunity for you! There are millions of people, children, the disabled, the elderly without decent opportunity for healthcare! In California, Social Security Disability appeals have been stopped for the last 6 months, so the 2 year process is becoming 3 years. Why don't you give Emergency Room indigent medical treatment a try for a while and see what the reality is? I sure hear alot of conservatives talk about the evils of choosing some to die because of limited resources, while supporting the conditions that lead to those limited resources.

Would Jesus allow for the abortion of babies?

Christian...define "torture"? Is sleep deprivation torture?

By the way, I thought the left didn't believe in God or Jesus so why are they even commenting on him?

Mark:

Jesus preached peace, for the most part. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality but had plenty of harsh words for those who judged others.

The book of Acts preaches a mild form of communism and wealth was not a positive thing in the eyes of the Lord.

Modern day Republicans have created a Jesus that is a white, war mongering and wealth gathering.

But the Jesus of the Bible was one of the most famous liberals of history.

Wade

Would Jesus continue to endorse this guy year after year

Wade,

And just where does homosexuality enter in to this discussion?

WWJD?

Who knows. But I think he might be watching Bob Woodward tonight on 60 Minutes. Please tune in at 7pm eastern to get a much better picture of just how disappointing and dysfunctional Bush's leadership has really been. I sincerely encourage anybody here who worships Bush to at least check it out. Criticize all you want - but at least have the guts to watch.

Nate says,

-"Since Jesus could cure lepers, the blind, the paralyzed, indeed, could raise the dead, he had many more options for action than humans."

This is a secular view of Jesus, not a Christian one. Jesus fully intended, according to him, to show us how to live. Jesus would not have claimed to be a model for us if we were expected to do "supernatural" things. To say that Jesus had more options is a useful statement if we reject Jesus as a saviour, but it will fall on deaf ears when delivered to Christians, because so much of his value to us comes from his integration into our human world. If we say that we can't live as Jesus did because we can't perform "miracles", then we are not obeying Him. Jesus addresses this in Matthew 17:20, saying, "if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

My point is that the question, "What would Jesus do?" is of great practical importance for a Christian.

Aaron... please... just like you watch shows the criticize Clinton.

You showed your true colors by the words "disappointing and dysfunctional."

However, when I think of those words; I think of Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et al.

or how about you check out the website of Robert Byrd and how a man in his 30s was trying to recruit members to the KKK or how roughly at the same age Ted Kennedy left a woman to drown or how Bill Clinton had already started to be accused of sexual harassment.

If you want to talk about disappointing and dysfunctional check them out. It's interesting that your side ridiculed Woodward's first two books and now say this one is AMAZINGLY good. It's interesting that when while being interviewed he had memebers of the administration saying what he had was WRONG... but that for some reason didn't stop Woodward... probably because he was afraid the MSM would revoke his "raging liberal" card.

Mark:

Because the anti-gay Crusade amongst the "family values" crowd is a striking example of how twisted modern day "Christians" distort the message of Jesus.

The immorality of the Religious Right that preaches hate and intolerance is opposite to the action of words of The Lord.

Wade

You write with bloody hands and speak with bloody teeth.

How dare you comment on "what would Jesus do?".

Yet again, I shake my head in dismay.

Wade,

Hmmm..."anti-gay crusade"...one day, you'll have to explain to me what, precisely, that is...and let me know who, exactly, is involved in it and what, definitively, they want to do to gay people which would make them anti-gay.

Raker,

You'll get no argument from me that I'm not good enough to actually comment upon such things. On the other hand, if we were waiting for a human being worthy of making comment, then we'd be waiting a very long time.

As for me, I've taken this advice recently:

Reflect attentively, O Devout Soul, on the teaching commonly given by spiritual masters: namely, that you should at once turn to God after you have been unfaithful to Him, even though it be the hundreth time in the day, and you should be at peace again after your faults and after recommending yourself to God... St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Doctor of the Church

I am not worthy, but I'm all you've got as far as a writer on this subject, on this blog, on this day. I hope it pleases you, and if it doesn't then I pray that one day I will write something which will please you.

Aaron,

Every time Woodward comes out with a new book, the first question which comes to mind is, "who buys them"? A worn out has-been who invents conversations and calls it history...

Apparently Wade had not read Genesis 19:1-25

Mark, walliyo -

Just watch it - if you have the courage!

-- But Mark, that is EXACTLY what you are doing. Conservatives only care about the welfare of other conservatives. You have also described well what you have allowed this callousness to turn you into. Seeing that you have a problem is the first step to recovery. Good luck on the other 12

Mark Noonan writes:

"We are either decent people who care about each other, or we're not. If we only concern ourselves with the welfare of some people, some of the time, then we might as well sign on to be utterly cruel and depraved, because being a nice murderer is an exercise in futility."

ONE LIFE COMPARED TO MANY!

2 Samuel 18:3

"But the men said, "You must not go out: if we are forced to flee, they won't care about us. Even if half of us die, they won't care; but YOU ARE WORTH TEN THOUSAND OF US."

See? One life is just as or more important than all the lives on earth!!

FRAGILITY AND IMPORTANCE OF LIFE!

Psalm 144:3-4

"O Lord, what is man that you care for him the son of man that you think of him?

Man is like a breath; his days are like a fleeting shadow."

LIFE'S QUALITY, QUANTITY.

Ecclesiastes 5:20.

"He(man) seldom reflects on the days of his life, because God keeps him occupied with gladness."

See, Our life came from God and our life is a gift! which relates to this passage in Ezekiel...

Ezekiel 18:4

"For every living soul belongs to me , the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die."

Another passage off the top of my head at the moment, God also says:

"The man who takes his own life shall lose it"

meaning; should one take his life he will lose his soul to the devil.

Just thought I would put that in there for some advice.
You know, I would think that, If God does'nt allow man to take his own life, I just wonder what God would say to a father or mother for taking their own child, That child is afterall their own flesh and blood, would'nt you agree?
ALL LIFE IS SACRED WHETHER BORN OR UNBORN, IT DOES'NT MATTER, WE ARE ALL PRECIOUS!!!

If one commits murder, that person is always put into prison for their crime, So why is any other life any different, that precious little baby has DONE *NO* WRONG, WHY SHOULD HE OR SHE BE BARBARICALLY MUTULATED?????

I was out sight-seeing today and doing little fishing in a trout stream near our house, the sun was shining brightly, the beautiful white clouds just floating on by, the sound and sight of the stream rushing down over the rocks and boulders, and man! Talk about the fall foliage it is absolutely gorgeous! right now, the beautiful and brilliant reds, yellows, and oranges are just absolutely a knock out! and You know, I just thought to myself, I am really thankful that Almighty God has given me this oppurtunity to share in His Miraculous wonders of His Great, Wonderful, and Unique Creation!What Wonders!!!

But you know something else? Just think about all the little children who could have grown up and been able to see and marvel at all that God has done here too!, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEIR GONE BILLIONS OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE, NEVER EVEN GOT A CHANCE AT LIFE!
WHAT A SHAME!!!!!!!HOW PITIFUL, THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN SO RAPPED UP IN THE DESTRUCTION OF LIFE FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN THAT CHANCE OF HOPE, BUT THE LITTLE CHILDREN? NOPE, THEY HAD TO BE BARBARICALLY MUTULATED AND THROWN INTO THE WASTE DISPOSAL AND TAKEN TO A VILE AND FILTHY LANDFILL!!

So here's my general thoughts on what Jesus would do!

First and foremost, He would not take the precious life of an unborn human being away!!

Second and lastly, For those who are sick and need help? Just remember this, Jesus wants every person on the face of this earth to acknowledge Him, and if they do truly believe in Him and have FAITH in Him, then all they have to do is ask for His HEALING TOUCH, and [THEY WILL BE HEALED] I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WILL!!

That's the first thing that Jesus asked of anyone according to the scriptures is, Do you believe? and on the accounts of those who believed, THEY WERE HEALED!!

So it's not necessary to take someone elses precious life to use for practicing of medicine, that's WRONG by all accounts PERIOD!!

Jesus will heal you!! No need to tamper with the sacred life of another who is just as or more precious than you are!!

Don't be so MEAN, have a little kindness towards little unborn children! They have'nt done anything to hurt you Liberals!!

It's GREAT TO BE ALIVE, SO GIVE A LITTLE CHILD THAT SAME CHANCE!!!

Jeremiah

Aaron,

I don't think so - its been some decades since I've watched 60 Minutes, as they have long been entirely unreliable as a source of news and information. I've better things to do than waste my time on shows like that.

Axis,

There is where you're wrong - part of the reason we keep at it in this War on Terrorism is in order to defend you hapless liberals against the consquences of your own actions. The only thing keeping you from the Islamist chopping block is the dedication and self-sacrifice of conservatives.

Jeremiah,

Small quibble - if a person reposes his faith in God, he will be healed IF that is what is best for him at the moment. And so I pray for health, or the strength to endure, as best suits God's purposes in my life.

Mark,

I fully agree with you!

Take note, I don't fully understand it to the full, and that I will never know all the answers as to what God's decision making is based.

Sure, I do agree that a person can be healed if it is his wish to repose God, but we must keep in mind that it is at God's choosing as to whether that person be healed or not, I don't wish anyone ill, based entirely because, I realize what Jesus would say and do.

You know, that person may be healed, in order to give that person a second chance to accept Christ! We don't know!

God has different plans for different people, like, I may be sick, and not get healed even though I believe in God and that He can heal me, and you may get sick and be healed, and it goes both ways, whichever God chooses.

Jesus said: "I will in no likewise cast out"

Meaning: He gives all "equal chance" in life.

But where I think the problem lies here in it all, is that, the left wants to exploit life to suit THEM, dis-regarding what God would want.

And also, Like you say, We should pray for strength to endure another day, to suit God's purpose for our lives, and let us also pray for others in their daily struggles.

I appreciate your making this thread Mark, because people really need the Lord these days, Just take a look at the ill intentioned post from Georgia Frawg...

Jeremiah

and if it doesn't then I pray that one day I will write something which will please you.

I pray you'll one day write the following:

Raker, axis, Aarontime, Wade, et.al., are mindless trolls and are banned from the blog.

That would be something that would please a lot of us...

"I pray you'll one day write the following"

1H8L1BS,

Yep. You, Your brother keefer, and all of us!

Just pickin!

:)

Jeremiah

By the way, I thought the left didn't believe in God or Jesus so why are they even commenting on him?

Posted by: Warriornation at October 1, 2006 04:14 PM

Who are you? You are just a man. How dare you think you know what is in another person's heart. Jesus threw your type of false prophets out of the temple long ago. If you think you are getting into the Kingdom because you are a Republican, you are very lost my son!