Is this really the best you got? - a sacndal from the 70's in which Murtha didn't take the money and was never prosecuted?

If you want to go back to the 70's, even Bush himself admits to doing some pretty stupid things. Does anyone really care?

Personally, I am more concerned about current flagrant breakings of the law that this adminstration does as a matter of habit - ie, illegal wiretappings without FISA court retro-active approval, etc etc

also, because of Murtha's outspoken bravery in standing up to this administration (and thank God *someone* in this rubber-stamp congress has the guts to do so), I am sure an enormous team hired by Rove and Melhman have been combing over every little detail of his past. Make no mistake about it: Murtha is the target of a smear machine that has virtually unlimited funding. If after all that, the best the smear machine could come up with is a scandal from the 70's that was vetted out long ago, then I'd say Murtha is one of the more upstanding members of congress.

This is the old shop worn tactic of trying to smear critics who have legitimate criticisms of the failed Bush Administration.

Murtha is correct. So was most of the "anti-war" left most of whose criticisms and perdictions have come true.

The truly dysfunctional insist that everyone else's criticism is in error as they cling to their alternate reality in which they become the sole believer.

It's truly troubling to see Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Condi push their version of untruth and drag this nation down.

Wade

Murtha may not have been guilty in Abscam, but he's guilty of criticizing Our Leader in a time of war. That's a big no-no.

Another thing that should be looked into, is the deal he set up for his brother in law for some 50M
involving getting a particular contract thrown in his direction. Mmmmm.....interesting. Wonder what Murtha(the ex-hero) got out of the deal???

Murtha brought it on himself by smearing the character of the soldiers at Haditha, by playing judge, jury and executioner--prounouncing them guilty of an alleged crime, without even having read a report on the situation.

(That was the last straw that led me to start Murtha Must Go!)

Murtha has traded his military honor for political opportunism.

"Murtha may not have been guilty in Abscam, but he's guilty of criticizing Our Leader in a time of war. That's a big no-no."

Huh? During Korea, Senate Republicans were withering in their attacks on President Truman, saying that he was "wasting our soldiers' blood" on a conflict not worth fighting. Republican attacks against Clinton were extremely rapid when our nation was at war in the Balkans. Republicans also attacked LBJ when we were at war in Vietnam. Same with FDR during WWII.

And the opposition party should criticize the president, especially during issues of war and peace, and especially when it is obvious that this president had no sound rationale for going into Iraq, and had no plan for the aftermath. Moreover, congress has an oversight responsibility codified in the constitution - they would be neglecting their sworn responsibilty as public servants if they did not call this adminstration's incompetence into question. If not the congress, then who?

The problem with you uncritical Bush worshippers is that you fail to distinguish between the office of the presidency and the country at large. Criticism of the president is NOT tantamount to betraying the country, as you all so often accuse Murtha and other war critics. Criticism of the President's war of choice in Iraq is NOT the same as critcism of our beloved troops. Bush is not the United States, and the military is not his personal prop. This kind of melding in your minds of Bush the man and leader, with America the country, is scrarily fascist in its psychology. Such thinking is reminiscent of the Nazi slogan "Eine Fuhrer, eine Volk, eine Reich!" - One Leader, One People, One Country.

As the great patriot and great Republican Teddy Roosevelt said:
""Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."

"Murtha brought it on himself by smearing the character of the soldiers at Haditha, by playing judge, jury and executioner--prounouncing them guilty of an alleged crime, without even having read a report on the situation."

09/04 Fox News "BAGHDAD, Iraq — A U.S. Army investigator has recommended that four American soldiers who face charges in connection with the rape and killing of 14-year-old girl and the killing of her family face a court-martial, a lawyer in the case confirmed on Monday.

Col. Dwight Warren, the investigator in the case, said in a report issued Sunday that "reasonable grounds exist to believe that each of the accused committed the offense for which he is charged."

Morphie--that story has nothing whatsoever to do with Haditha.

Get your facts straight before your one remaining American-hating braincell goes into gear, okay?

Sorry, wrong article...

I love you too psycmeister

Skeletons? What, was he trying to pick up teenage boys through IM or something?

Muphie...and didn't the Democrats try this with Bush and Dan Rather in 2004?

And didn't Gore pull this crap with Bush on a drunk driving arrest in 2000?

And on and on and on and on.

Please, stop your nonsense.

If you want to go back to the 70's, even Bush himself admits to doing some pretty stupid things. Does anyone really care?

I dunno--ask George Allen, dumbass. All those false allegations of events that allegedly occurred in the 70's.

Skeletons? What, was he trying to pick up teenage boys through IM or something?

No, Tom Shitbird, but Rep. Foley was--isn't that what you're alluding to, you senseless girly-boy? What, you're mad because he didn't IM you?

It's truly troubling to see Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Condi push their version of untruth and drag this nation down.

It's doubly troubling to see you, Wadie, post here and drag this blog down. Why don't you and Tom Shitley get together and IM one another--I'm sure he'd really enjoy that. Wouldn't you, Tommie? Talk nice to Wade, and he may even call you "Tammy..."

The truly dysfunctional insist that everyone else's criticism is in error as they cling to their alternate reality in which they become the sole believer.

No need For self-description, Wadie...

Wade...you're saying Condi is not truthful?

You are a racist!!!!

If a Republican said an African American was untruthful, that would be the first words out of the mouths of the left.

So let's play the lefty game. You are a racist!

I see that the swiftboating of Murtha has begun.

Oi oi...

I agree bringing up this old stuff is silly, but then again it's election time and both sides insist on pulling this stupid stuff out. Why can't we just, I don't know, talk about the issues and job performance?! Sheesh...

You know, I can't believe how many folks are still in office after decades on the job. You'd think we'd figure out a way to weaken the incumbant system, either through term limits or something, but incumbants are the ones in charge so I'm not too surprised. *Sighs*

Why waste your time with this swiftboating? Southwestern Pa is never going to elect a Republican for Congress. This is middle class
American country that has been screwed out of their future dreams by the Bush administration.

This must be taught at Jesus Camp.
Religious rants, christian jihad and pedophilia.

Foley is a born-again Christian. Your god looks down upon one man who do legal age chicks ...

but your man do underage boys!

Probably no difference to you ... huh skippy??

And you want to swiftboat Murtha? Sick boys in that Repuke party.......

Middle Class America has been screwed by the Bush Administration?

It's funny, because just last week Bill Clinton and Joe Biden were saying how the Donkeys had to get the middle class back because they have been totally ignored and screwed by Democrats by overly taxing them to help pay for the special interest set asides of the Dems.

Hmmmm....

Meanwhile, it's good to see Foley come out of the closet and declare himself a Democrat.

Apparently Civilbehavior has forgotten about these Democrats and their sexual issues.

Rep. Wilbur Mills (D-Ark.)
Rep. Wayne Hays (D-Ohio)
Rep. John Young (D-Tex.)
Rep. Allan Howe (D-Utah)
Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.)
Gerry Studds (D-Mass.)
Sen. Brock Adams (D-Wash.)
Rep. Jim Bates (D-Calif.)
Rep. Gus Savage (D-Ill.)
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
Sen. Charles Robb (D-Va.)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/congress.htm

Like I said, at least we on the right smackdown our own when they deserve it.

But you refuse to do the same to the scumbags in your party, democrats!

You never said a word when Clinton preyed on women.

You never said a word when a traitorous scumbag piece of crap called John Murtha smeared the reputation of Marines at Haditha (without so much as reading a report) for political gain.

Don't friggen lecture us about not policing our own. We do.

Do you?

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 09:27 PM

Problem Republicans have with the pervert Foley is he was not just another Congressman, he was the Republican champion against all other perverts.

This is what Democrats constanly warn their children about. Republicans come at you with bags of tax money(candy). Many are nothing more than wolves in sheep clothing.

This is middle class
American country that has been screwed out of their future dreams by the Bush administration.

Your middle-class brain has been screwed out of any future independent thinking by BDS.

I am middle-class; all my neighbors are middle class. We all have a future, because we don't subscribe to the gloom-and-doom flung our way by some pathetic individuals trying to gain power. Nobody in my neighborhood bitches about their current status as a middle-class citizen.

And I live in a blue state...

Josh,

Being from Pa. I can tell you, you are all wet-
For years the area S.W., etc. was controlled by the Demoncrat Machine, and they have put the Pgh.
Allegheny County, down the toilet with their tax,
tax, tax mentality. I sold two business, because
the taxes were killing me. the Dems are anti business, and as for homeowners-they are taxed to the hilt and then some. A change in the state to
Republicans would be a real shot in the arm. After all, it is under the Republicans, that home
ownership is at an "all time high", employment is down, and the economy (though NO Dems will ever admit it, nor the MSM) is up, and that includes the stock market numbers. You, don't know what the hell you're talking about. You had almost the whole state of Pa. going down the tubes, cause
they keep voting in those Dems, that don't give one damn about it's citizenry-they have proved that for over 45 years, and especially previlant is the graft and corruption(your hero-Murtha-if anyone cares to look into it) ....So if only the populace would look at the past years of the Dem Machine, and WISE UP, and vote Republican, that is for homeownership, better jobs and more of them
-tax relief for those who pay them, and so on and so on. Get your facts straight, or don't come on this site with your lies. Dems know only taxes, and smearing anyone who has done a good job, cause
it reflects, that they (Dems) don't.

Absolutely no defense of Murtha - either dismissal, or bring up some other scandal entirely un-related.

Why don't you guys on the left actually defend Murtha?

Foley is a scum. I don't care what party he's from. He will burn in hell, deservedly so. I would rather have a democrat in his seat than a sick disgusting child predator. God have mercy on his perverted soul.

Keefer, aren't you a spoof? Don't you post on that well known LIEberal spoof site - Scrutator?

Wade really is a racist. Yup, in fact a friend of a friend told me he put a horses ass inside a Mexican's mailbox. You know, one of those LARGE mailboxes the illegals use. Yup, Wade you should own up now....how disgusting...racist writing his bullcrap on this board. The Washington Compost will carry your story on the back page of section c tomorrow. Good thing you got section c, rather than the old dem abort job. Smearing Allen while your guy admits to driving around Watts with toy guns is the much bigger story. Allen's gonna crush that squirrel...and as far as a sex scandal you better not bring that up when Wee Willie has been waving that infamous finger in the air. Heard Monica say he used a cigar cuz his finger was no indication of size at all.

Posted by: Psycmeistr [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:01 PM Like I said, at least we on the right smackdown our own when they deserve it.

Strong stand against a pervert. That took courage. It would be refreshing for average Republicans to admit Congress is full of corrupt degenerates such as, Foley, Cunningham, Jefferson, Ney, Sherwood, Delay, that need cleaned out. These are just the ones that have been caught. Republicans have turned the people's house into the house even Caligula would find repulsive. Wake up Republicans and take your party back.

Mark,

There's nothing to defend. The guy turned down a bribe thirty years ago. Gee... what's your next post, he doesn't try and pick up teenage kids through the internet while sitting on the House caucus on missing and exploited children? While saying things like: "They're sick people; they need mental health counseling," Foley said.

Takes one to know one, I guess. It always seems the people who shout the loudest against immoral behavoir always seem to be hiding something like this... I think there's some self-hate thing going on where they feel the need to attack the "immoral" yearning they have in other people.

I just find it ironic that there's a post about Murtha's "skeletons" the same day when some real skeletons were exposed on the other side of the aisle. Unfortunate timing for you guys.

Yep, good points Tom. And the *really big* scandal on the Repub side is not just that one of its members is a predatory perv, but rather that a whole slew of ranking Repubs, including speaker Denny Hasturd, apparently knew about Foley's underage buggery and hid it. They *knowingly* let a child sex predator sit on the committe for missing and exploited children! Does it get any worse than that?

Time to sweep these pathetic, incompetent, corrupt, constitution violating, child sex predator enabling turdmuffins out of office.

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Pervs!

Muffpie....you really don't want to go there...in the last 40 years there have been more than 6 to 1 Democrat politicans convicted and gone to PRISON.

You really need to get caught up to speed on your facts there junior.

In fact currently there are 3 still serving. Maybe you can write them a letter and ask how it is getting some manlove in the pokie.

Josh...there are many Republicans that need to be cleaned out, just as there are many Democrats including Man Slaugterer Ted Kennedy, KKK's Bob Byrd, racist Maxine Waters and the entire Black Congressional Caucus and on and on.

Shi*ley,

answering your question: Was he trying to pick up
some young boys.....Perhaps. But at least we know
this: He didn't run a car off a bridge drunk,
and killed a young woman, by leaving her to die of
suffocation/drowning, while he swam off to save his own fat ass. Then, returning to his hotel, called his attornies to set up the story of his heroics trying to save her..LOL. If you Shi*ley,
want to talk about hypocrits-perhaps you need to start looking at THIS story, and the fact that this killer is still holding a Senate seat, thanks
to his numbskull fellow voters of Ma., that along with the lies of "Camelot", I can't say much for the choices they continue to make on this phoney.

You, may note also, that when a Republican does wrongs that are horrendous, they have left posts,
or been forced out....Unlike Dems(look at that killer's and jailbird's list posted a while back)
and fight to stay on, as if "nothing had happened"

The Gary Studds situation is far worse than anything I have seen/heard Foley allegedly do wrong.

Studds was having a sexual relationship with a 17 year old boy who was currently in the Congressional Page program. Studds was having anal sex with this boy, both in his Georgetown residence as well as on a trip to Portugal.

From everything I have seen/heard in Foley's case, Foley waited until the Pages left the program before contacting them with the inapropriate emails & instant messages. The one former page that we know has come forward to be questioned has clearly stated that Foley waited until he was 21 years old before they engaged in a physical sexual encounter. (It was also reported - one time on MSNBC - that the former page said that Foley wouldn't even consider having a physical relationship with the former page until after he was 21 because "it would be very wrong, and possibly against the law".)

I have yet to find anything that substantiates the alleged incident where Foley tried to gain entry to the Page Dormatory when he was intoxicated. I also haven't found out if Foley actually provided alcohol to a former page still under 21 years old as he alleged seems to have done in one of those instant messages. By Pennsylvania law, to provide alcohol to a minor is a misdemeanor offense. It usually involves only a fine, but it can involve up to 1 year incarceration - even for a 1st offense. I don't know what the applicable punishment under the law for wherever the alleged offense took place is, but I would say that it should be enough to make me declare that Foley should resign from office. If he is guilty of more than just that, then he deserves the correct punishment for every crime he is proven to have committed.

With Gary Studds, the sexual relationship that he characterized as being "consentual" may not have been, because I don't know what the law was at the time for Georgetown (or in Portugal either) but if 17 was not the "age of consent" at the time, then the boy could not legally have consented to the relationship... which means the relationship was actually an ongoing rape of a minor under the age of 18 years old. I don't know what the apropriate punishment for that would have been at the time, but I do know that it shouldn't have allowed him to stay in office, let alone allow him to be re-elected 5 more times before he retired.

I have seen Democratic politicians as well as pundits/strategists/commentators get away with calling Foley a "pedophile", when it's just not possible given the circumstances.

For Foley to be a pedophile, the victims would have to be prepubescent, which is usually considered to be children 13 years old or younger.

IF it is proven that Foley had sexual relations with Congressional Pages (whether current or former) who were under the age of 18, THEN he would be a "hebephile", and not a "pedophile".

BUT, (If what the former Page who has gone on record and been questioned has stated.) then Foley would be neither a "hebephile" nor a "pedophile", because the people in question would be older than 18.

It could be said that Foley is a "sexual predator" for the way he used his position of authority as a member of Congress as means to identify the people he later contacted with the alleged inapropriate communications.

I have no problem with that, just as I feel that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator for the way he used his position as Governor & later President to have numerous sexual affairs with women outside his marriage.

But I am getting off topic in how I am comparing & contrasting Foley & Studds.

I have yet to see any evidence that proves Foley had a sexual relationship with any Congressional Page, (whether current or past) or that he has committed the crime of furnishing liquor to a minor. In contrast to that, Studds admitted that he had a sexual relationship with a 17 year old boy while that person was currently in the Congressional Page program.

To me, there's a big difference between Studds & Foley - and Studds is by far the worse offender. BUT, this doesn't excuse Foley in my opinion - I feel he should have been removed from office when it was obvious that he had abused his position to engage in inapropriate behavior.

HAVING SAID THAT:

I do not, for even one moment, believe that people in the House of Representatives were unaware of Foley's actions.

I believe that both Republicans & Democrats are equally guilty of either ignoring Foley's misdeeds, covering up his misdeeds, or witholding information of his misdeeds until years later.

I believe that it appears the information was leaked by Democrats to the media at a time when it would be most damaging to Republicans in this election cycle. If that's the situation, then the Democrats - especially the Democratic Leadership in the House) are as responsible/guilty, if not more so, than any Republican (especially the Republican Leadership in the House) is being accused in this scandal.

I believe that Nancy Pelosi is an intelligent, competant, and crafty person. She would have to be for her to be able to achieve what she has in Congress. It is therefore impossible for me to accept that she didn't know anything about what Foley was doing. It is equally impossible for me to accept the excuse that because the Republicans were in power of the House, the Democrats couldn't get anything done to prevent Foley from continuing his misdeeds. It is my opinion that if they knew, then they should have made it public news right away! If the Democrats want to be excused from responsibility in this matter, then it means they must resign from office for being either too incompetent or too passive to do what is required to protect the children put in their care as part of the Congressional Page program.

I say that the Democrats can't "have it both ways" in this matter. Either they accept responsibility like they say Republicans should, or they admit that they are not qualified to hold office for the stated inadequacies.

I don't like either of the two main parties much - which is why I consider myself to be a Libertarian who has conservitive views on most issues.

I like to compare the political process to a swimming pool. The Democrats & Republicans keep forcing us to jump into the shallow end - head first - and we keep bumping our heads on the bottom. This is because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans (generally speaking, of course, not every single member of either party fits this analogy) have enough depth to make sure we are safe from harm when we jump into the pool. :)