They didn't leak it to the NY Slimes? Well, it can't be true...

Maybe he is dead - maybe he's been dead a while. I will believe it when someone hold up his head. Notwithstanding this, I would not put it past the French and the left generally to concoct this story, believing it would take a considerable amount of wind out of the sails of the war on terror - "Show's over! Nothing more to see here! Everybody go home now."

And such a gambit could work on those who are hanging on by a thread - both our other partners in the GWOT, and the political "moderates" here.

Clearly France, the UN, and any number of UN member states would like the U.S. to "move on."

Taliban funeral fly over?
Rove October surprise?
Mussies deal with Taliban leaders?

All this makes for conspiracy plots.

join in

Damn, all the guy needed was a $4.00 prescription from Wal Mart, and a new kidney from the Canadian health care system. Lefties are going to be really pissed about this. Damn that George Bush.

The first report I heard said "natural causes". Wouldn't it be great if the natural cause was a 5,000 lb U.S. delivered bomb?

Oh well...if this turns out to be true and the cause is typhoid, just wait for the "Bush uses biological weapons" conspiracies to start popping out all over.

If this turns out to be true, then one of the most evil men on the face of the Earth is no more.

Just another example of Bush and CIA torture techniques? Can't wait for McCain and other libs ranting to impeach "Bush" for inhumane warfare! And the other half of the libs will rant that "Bush" could not get, him but natural causes did!

I hope it was a very painful death. Paralyzed from the waist down. Hopefully 72 male virgins await him in Hell.

Thank you GWB!

Have ANY of the liberal posters here picked up on the fact that we are mostly just laughing at you these days?

I called it months ago. Why else would the CIA close its bin laden unit?

Yea, someone will say we had him penned in somewhere so long that he died because he could not get adequate health care. And we'll be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.

If bin Laden is dead expect widespread depression on the left. How are democrats going to deal with this? I mean just 3 months ago another of their heroes Zarqawi was killed.

I wouldn't be suprised, I've been calling that one for months! Either Al-quaeda has been getting their asses handed to them by GWB and our boyz or they are waiting for the end of the world to hit us again. Either or, I still think Osama bin ladled has been dead for awhile! I hope he made his peace with God(doubtful), or he's in for a HOT ride! And not the kind he's hoping for!

Somebody should have told him not to drink the water.

If bin Laden is dead expect widespread depression on the left. How are democrats going to deal with this? I mean just 3 months ago another of their heroes Zarqawi was killed.

Posted by: CJ at September 23, 2006 02:04 PM

You people are pathetically stupid. We all hope OBL is dead.

That is a good question, is Bin Laden dead? Probably not. He wasn't dead yesterday and the five years before that, so why should he be dead now? We should have brought Bin Laden staright to justice soon after 9/11, the actual person who did 9/11. Not Saddam Hussein who never attacked the US. As soon as Bush leaves the White house the world will be a much safer place.

James Harold

You far left wing radical kooks don't have to lie anymore. We all know that the spineless cowards of the left have nothing but love and admiration for bin Laden. But don't cry too much, they're plenty more jihadists you can invest yourself in.

jackass Harold - well since we're in power, how stupid does that make you?

While I can always hope, I'm not holding my breath. Bones, DNA, something conclusive first. This dude seems to have more lives than a cat!

Oh NO, James Harold is really going to be upset now. Another high level jihadist has been captured.

At first I was disappointed. I was hoping that he'd die knowing it was an American who killed him.

But if true, typhoid is a particularly painful way of going, and this robs him of his martyr status.

The thought of OBL dying in some contaminated mudhole is OK by me.

Peronsally, I think he was killed in the Tora Bora in December of 2001 - a daisy cutter turned him in to a grease spot and since then we've just had recordings of bin Laden which are cobbled together bits of old recordings. It just seems to me that if they can smuggle a tape recording in to bin Laden's hideout, the could smuggle in an excellent video recorder and bin Laden could give us 100% proof that he is alive post-December 2001 (you know, like hold up a copy of a recent newspaper).

Why, then, do our intelligence agencies keep confirming that the latest bin Laden tape is legit? Well, if you look closely, they never say they are 100% sure it is a contemporary bin Laden recording...they leave themselves wiggle room just in case we find bits and pieces of bin Laden lying in some Afghan canyon.

I think Clintune lied again. He said that he came "closest to getting Bin Laden" on Fox. If he's referring to the military strike, it missed by several hours. I guess that's close.

However, Bush was closest to get him. Per the CIA, in December of 2001, Bin Laden suffered a chest wound from a U.S. Airstrike.

*Shrugs*

I've been under the belief he's been dead for a while. That they've only made audio recordings of him to "keep up apearances." He's a mortal just like the rest of us, so he'll die one way or another, one way is just as good as another.

The only thing to worry about is how to prove it, and is it worth proving?

Gozer,

Better if we can prove he's dead - a live bin Laden is a continuing, living myth for terrorist propagandists.

Poor Bob--can't even come up with anything more original than the old whine about how Saint Hussein never did us no harm, and "..... As soon as Bush leaves the White house the world will be a much safer place."

Without Bush in the White House, the world will be a MUCH safer place---for Bin Laden, if he is still alive, for Hamas and Hezbollah, for Al Queda, for terrorists around the world. Why else do you think they are campaigning for a Democrat for President?

Come off it, Airhead Bob, and get a grip. You're on the wrong side, as proven by your allies in the BDS Brigade.

Clinton's plan against Bin Laden:

Send in ninjas.

BTW, I've been saying for months that if Bin Laden was dead, the best thing we could do would be to simply shut up about it.

What is so funny is that the Airheads have been shrieking for so long about how the Earth is in mortal danger as long as Bin Laden roams about, how his very existence is proof of the abject failure of the Bush Administration, how the WOT would simply end if we could only get OSB, how terrorism flourishes only because Bush FAILED to capture him in Tora Bora----where does that all go if we learn that he was dead all the time they were claiming that his existence was the root cause of all that was going wrong?

Guess it would mean the Left was wrong again. Ho hum......

While I can always hope, I'm not holding my breath. Bones, DNA, something conclusive first. This dude seems to have more lives than a cat!

Amen to that. I'll believe OBL is dead when I either see his dead body or learn of a positive DNA test, just like we saw with Kusay, Uday and Zarqawi. If so, I hope he's enjoying the company of 72 women who resemble Sara Bernhard (sp?) and Helen Thomas. However, remembering the urban legend about OBL's alleged need for a dialysis machine, I want to be really sure about it.

kahn
You are not in power! unlike the bushbots here, trying to group the entire left into the worst moonbat imaginable, my insult was limited to you bushbots. I didn't insult the entire right, I never do.

CJ
I'm not on the left, thank you. I did single you out for a reason, you are a pathetic idiot.

Did you read the story you linked? Let me point out the part I know you didn't get.

"We tell the hateful rejectionists [Shias] that our swords can reach the depth of your areas, so stop killing unarmed Sunnis and stop siding with the crusaders".

CJ
You don't get it because those are not the words you put in their mouths. You don't understand that people have their own views. You don't listen to what someone has to say because you think you already know who they are. You don't know anything about me, you simply assumed I was on the left because I said you were stupid. Pathetically stupid.

Mr. Harold,

If you are'nt a leftist then go back to your original name why don't you? Uh, RS, and yeah sounds just like ya, calling everybody "stupid" and all, uh RS. You still need the Lord very badly, RS.

Uh, Yeah, It was you all along, I hated to admit it but, the words sounded tooo familiar. But ya still can't trick me. no sireee I'm no fool cuz I'm gonna live to be a hundered and three, cuz I'm no fool, ya see? take er eazy there
Mr. Harold S. *big chuckles*

Jeremiah

for terrorists around the world. Why else do you think they are campaigning for a Democrat for President?

I've shot you down on this point so many times, your continued reliance on it as a security blankie has gone from "funny" to "sad."

While I'm taking 30 seconds to debunk you for the umpteenth time, there's this:

Without Bush in the White House, the world will be a MUCH safer place---for Bin Laden, if he is still alive, for Hamas and Hezbollah, for Al Queda, for terrorists around the world.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat Watching you duck and dodge that one should be pretty entertaining.

Poor Li'l Almy. Sure, she's a machine when it comes to striking out, but she sure does put up some entertaining "big swing and a miss!" moments.

That is a good question, is Bin Laden dead? Probably not. He wasn't dead yesterday and the five years before that, so why should he be dead now? We should have brought Bin Laden staright to justice soon after 9/11, the actual person who did 9/11. Not Saddam Hussein who never attacked the US. As soon as Bush leaves the White house the world will be a much safer place.

Posted by: Bob at September 23, 2006 03:15 PM

Typical lefty civilian attittude! Do you really know what you are saying Bob? Ooops, no you don't. You make it sound so easy! Where were you Bob, while my brother was chasing OBL for the first year after 9/11? Where were you?

Bob says, We should have brought Bin Laden staright to justice soon after 9/11, the actual person who did 9/11.

Bob says, Not Saddam Hussein who never attacked the US. As soon as Bush leaves the White house the world will be a much safer place.

How do you people call yourselves Americans? Were you there Bob, when we were eating sand during desert storm, trying to make the world a better place, saving our earthly brothers, the Kuwaiti's. Were you there Bob, when we were so mad at our government for not allowing us to finish the job and help the Kurds & Iraqi people alike(in 91')? Were you there Bob? It sounds so cut & dry, so easy when you say it Bob! So, if it's so easy Bob, why in the hell didn't YOU capture OBL, huh? So many questions Bob, do you have any REAL answers Bob!

Oh wait, Bob says Saddaam wasn't our enemy, so it must be true!!!

James Harold

What I do know is that you're a sad and pathetic America hating, Saddam loving, arrogant, spineless coward liberal. That's all anyone needs to know about your kind.

I will not believe he is dead unless I actually see his hooves and horns. He may pop up as the new head of the dnc, if howard dean steps down.

We should have brought Bin Laden staright to justice soon after 9/11,

We should have brough bin Laden to justice long before 9/11, Boob.

As soon as Bush leaves the White house the world will be a much safer place.

As soon as Boob leaves his mama's basement, her house will be a less smelly place.

Boob, you and James need to get a room...

So the lefts big argument now is back to "nyah, nyah, you guys are pathetic stooooopid heads!"

Great. And I was counting on your enormous brains to entertain me. Childish name calling isn't that fun.

quote:

What I do know is that you're a sad and pathetic America hating, Saddam loving, arrogant, spineless coward liberal. That's all anyone needs to know about your kind.

endquote.

that's the funniest thing i have read in a while, since the whole raping boars guy. anyway, it's trite. i think we should find anyone who doesn't like us, look like us or think like us and keep them on an island. then the u.s.s.a safe. wink!

What I do know is that you're a sad and pathetic America hating, Saddam loving, arrogant, spineless coward liberal. That's all anyone needs to know about your kind.

CJ, tell us how you really feel about Ms. Harold. Actually, I couldn't agree with you more--Ms. Harold is just another girly-man with BDS...

I'm sorry, but my entire family has fought and died defending this country, and it makes me sick that with all the manpower & technology at this countries disposal we couldn't kill Osama Bin Laden... Oh, sure they'll be people saying we kept him holed up in a cave, and that's what did him in, but as many have seen, these schematics (see Tora Bora in TIME) showed us these caves were far from dingy. Hell, one had air conditioning...

It's been 5 years... You can blame the Dems all you want, but personally I hold this administration responsible for never bringing him to justice. America couldn't do it, but a drink of water could... pathetic... Our brave, fighting forces could have done it within a year, ask yourself why not? Pakistan is a dictatorship who has been harboring the worst terrorist of our lifetime, and we the American people deserved our justice. Instead we get to know he probably died with family at his side, and the knowledge that the U.S.A. never even touched him... I love this country, and am completely disgusted with its government officials.

As they said, you're either with us or against us... well, I'm against them.

Walcrowe, what would you have done...invaded Pakistan, one of our only allies in the Muslim world? Brilliant strategy!

For the sake of OBL you'd end up toppling the one government which is helping us out. The Islamo-fascists would then take over and they'd have nuclear arms at their disposal. Brilliant!

Foreign policy is a little more complicated that you apparently imagine.

hold this administration responsible for never bringing him to justice. America couldn't do it, but a drink of water could... pathetic... Our brave, fighting forces could have done it within a year, ask yourself why not?

Posted by: Walcrowe at September 24, 2006 11:24 AM

I share your disgust Walcrowe, but I also put the blame where it should be put & that is not on the current admin. I was in the USMC under George H. Bush & William Jefferson Clinton. The devastation that took place during the last 6 months of Sr.'s Pres. and the whole 8 years of Clintons pres. cannot be undone in a lot of ways. We can only do what we are allowed. My brother did tours in Afghanistan & Iraq(front lines). Our hands are tied in the military from past policies, past admin. and that Is why we have no OBL. Which, I personally believe we killed long ago!

keefer, you're getting emotional again.

kahn, pathetically stupid was an observation, name calling is more like "girly-man". Thanks for playing.

CJ, like I said, you don't know anything about me, but you continue to spout stupidity proving my point. Having keefer pat your back ought to give you an indication of level of stupidity you show.

What I see here as being pathetically stupid is how you try so desperately to turn every discussion into an attack on the left. Your extreme hatred and stupidity, demands that you define your enemy as someone that can be truly hated, regardless of the truth. If the left was who you try so hard to portray them as, everyone would hate them, including me. I don't agree with most of what the left does or votes on, but I don't buy 1% of the crap you credit them for. I would bet that 90% of Republicans in office would agree with me that the anti-left rhetoric here is completely ridiculous, and dimwitted.

Hey, Jerk-Off, I mean, SeestHroughIT Head--

So what do all the following have in common:

2001:
October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
October 17: Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
Jewish Defense League plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, foiled.
December 22: Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.

2002:
Terrorism against Israel in 2002.
Singapore embassies attack plot foiled.
January: Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Passover massacre.
March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
May 8: May 8 Bus Attack in Karachi kills 11 Frenchmen and two Pakistanis.
May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
May 13: 12 people are killed in the Jaunpur train crash in India, caused when Islamic extremists cut the rails.
June 14: Car bomb at US Consulate in Karachi kills 12.
June 18: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74.
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing 2 Israelis before being killed himself.
September 10: A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorism is suspected.
September 25: Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.
October: John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing 10 people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
October 12: Bali bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
November 21: Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. 11 people are killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonates on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem.
November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
December 21: Kurnool train crash, Islamic extremists derail a train and kill 20 people in India.
December 27: The truck bombing of the Chechen parliament in Grozny kills 83 people.

2003:
One of the compounds hit by the Riyadh Compound Bombings.
Terrorism against Israel in 2003.
Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2003.
February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal social club in Bogotá, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
March 5: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 17 people and wounds 53 when he detonates a bomb hidden under his clothing in the Haifa bus 37 massacre.
March 23: SGT Hasan Akbar, USA, murdered 2 officers and wounded 14 soldiers in a grenade attack at an Army base in Iraq.

Give up? I'll answer it for you, then, twit: All these acts of terrorism and murder occurred BEFORE the Iraq war. Yet you and your a-hole leftie propagandist pals at the NY Slimes continue to spread the Big Lie that terrorism is largely a response to the U.S. invasion. You're pathetic and dangerous.

Nice list, JPL. Too bad you apparently lack some basic vocabulary and reading comprehension skills. So I'll go slowly here for your help and benefit:

Look up the definition of "worsen." Then look up the definition of "cause." Notice how they're different? Notice how they mean different things? Take a minute or two to ponder that. Two words...different meanings. Compare and contrast them.

Taking your newfound vocabulary insight, look at these two sentences:

1) "The Iraq war worsens the terror threat."
2) "The Iraq war causes the terror threat."

Remember what you just learned? How the word "worsen" means something different from the word "cause?" Notice how that makes sentence 1 mean something different from sentence 2? Say the sentences out loud if you need to. Consult the dictionary again if you need to. Ask people in your neighborhood to help you if you need to. Got a handle on this tricky concept?

OK. Now, I made the argument presented in sentence 1. You launched into a spittle-flecked tirade in response to sentence 2, which, as you'll hopefully recall from earlier in this exercise, is different and makes a different point--a point that I did not make. So you launched into a fury at me over something I didn't say. Tilting at windmills? How embarrassing for you!

Enjoy your pathetic, dangerous big lie, JPL. If/when you get your reading comprehension up to par, get back to me.

Is that all you can come back with sees? How pathetic is that! Boy you guys are getting desperate again aren't you! Doesn't have anything to do with polls now does it!

re: a statement earlier on Pakistan being our ally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/24/wafg24.xml

I'm not saying bomb them back to the Stone Age, but if we were in a stronger position in the Middle East this would not be happening...

The world sees us losing in Iraq. And by losing I mean it sees us pouring our resources of manpower & money into a civil war that will most likely result in Iran quelling the flames, extinguishing the Sunnis, and the USA losing face in the world.

I know most of you don't see this happening, and that is part of the problem. We can still stop this by NOT staying the course. We need a change of plan AND foreign policy. I'm not sure if it's even possible considering how much damage has already been done, but I do know that the current direction is a fatal and flawed one, and simply spouting that moderates are pathetic, less patriot, or stupid is hardly a solution...

As I stated earlier my entire family has been born and raised in the military. We even lost my father in Vietnam. We understand the cost of war, and why it's so important to constantly re-adjust your strategy to defeat your enemy. We have not done a thing except stay the course. This is sheer madness, and in the end we will have emboldened our enemies, and weakened our allies.

I'm sure most of you disagree, and think I'm not a patriot, and have no clue as to what's going on out there in the world. You'll spit at my words (and those of my family including a brother & nephew in Iraq) and go back to watching COPS and eating McDonalds, and armchair quarterback the rest of the war from your blogs.

Keefer

I just get so tired of these whiney crying little girls like Harold who sit in their mommy's basements complaining about everything. These sad and pathetic little twerps have no solutions, they just bitch and moan.

Hey, SeestHroughITforBrains:

It's hysterically funny that you condescend to lecture me on the English language. If you carefully re-read my post, you'll see that I never accused you or anyone of arguing that the Iraq war is the sole cause of terrorism. What I said was that you and your lefty pals at the NY Slimes are spreading the Big Lie "that terrorism is largely a response to the U.S. invasion" -- which is EXACTLY the thrust of the NY Slimes article that you linked to. For example, the article contains the following quotes:

"the Iraq war has invigorated Islamic radicalism...."

"the war in Iraq, rather than stemming the growth of terrorism, ha[s] helped fuel its spread across the globe...."

"Nancy Pelosi [stated that] 'the intelligence estimate [is] further proof that the war in Iraq is making it harder for America to fight and win the war on terror.'"

By linking to this article, you clearly indicated that you agree with the Slimes that the Iraq war is largely responsible for current terrorism; and by hysterically over-reacting to my post, you clearly proved that the only person here with a reading comprehension problem is you.

You didn't look up "worsen, " did you, JPL? Apparently you need to repeat the whole prescribed process all over again. Good luck! Hope you get it this time!

You may not realize it, SeestHroughIT4Brains, but you just proved my point, i.e., that you either lack the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader, or are unwilling or unable to mount a rational response to my argument, so I'll help frame the issue for you: The point of my posts is that the threat from terrorism is in fact NOT "worse" now than it was before the Iraq war. Look again at the list I posted of pre-Iraq terrorist attacks:

2001:
October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
October 17: Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
Jewish Defense League plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, foiled.
December 22: Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.

2002:
Terrorism against Israel in 2002.
Singapore embassies attack plot foiled.
January: Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Passover massacre.
March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
May 8: May 8 Bus Attack in Karachi kills 11 Frenchmen and two Pakistanis.
May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
May 13: 12 people are killed in the Jaunpur train crash in India, caused when Islamic extremists cut the rails.
June 14: Car bomb at US Consulate in Karachi kills 12.
June 18: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74.
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing 2 Israelis before being killed himself.
September 10: A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorism is suspected.
September 25: Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.
October: John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing 10 people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
October 12: Bali bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
November 21: Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. 11 people are killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonates on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem.
November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
December 21: Kurnool train crash, Islamic extremists derail a train and kill 20 people in India.
December 27: The truck bombing of the Chechen parliament in Grozny kills 83 people.

2003:
One of the compounds hit by the Riyadh Compound Bombings.
Terrorism against Israel in 2003.
Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2003.
February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal social club in Bogotá, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
March 5: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 17 people and wounds 53 when he detonates a bomb hidden under his clothing in the Haifa bus 37 massacre.
March 23: SGT Hasan Akbar, USA, murdered 2 officers and wounded 14 soldiers in a grenade attack at an Army base in Iraq.

Now combine the above list with the fact that Saddam Hussein is now on trial for his life; that Zarqawi is dead; that much of the rest of al Qaeda leadership is dead, captured, or in hiding; that Iraq has become a graveyard for thousands of jihadis, many of them al Qaeda's best; that jihadis are streaming to Iraq instead of New York, Chicago or LA; that radical Islamists have always found ANY excuse to justify their attacks on the West, and that if they weren't using the Iraq war for recruitment purposes, they'd be using 9/11, Israel, or any one of their 10,001 other complaints; that America's policy from the late 1960's through 9/11/01 -- i.e., the policy of NOT attacking terrorists -- failed miserably and only resulted in bolder, more violent and escalating attacks on Western targets; and that so far there's been no major terror attack in the U.S. since 9/11. Based on all the above, it seems clear that the current threat from terrorism is not "worse" than it was before the Iraq invasion. To the contrary, it appears that if we continue to kill and capture terrorists, build a secure republic in Iraq, and help our other Middle Eastern allies contain their own internal Islamic radicals, then the terrorist threat will eventually be controlled.

Now instead of dodging the issue, or retreating back into your smug, infantile commentary, let's see you try to rebut the facts and argument marshalled above.

Hey, Can'tSeeThroughshIt, I now have even MORE facts and arguments for you to ignore. Here are excerpts from the NIE report that the NY Slimes DIDN'T see "fit to print," but which indicate that the terrorist threat my be WEAKENING as a result of the Iraq war:

'In one of its early paragraphs, the [National Intelligence] Estimate notes progress in the struggle against terrorism, stating the U.S.-led efforts have "seriously damaged Al Qaida leadership and disrupted its operations." Didn't see that in the NYT article.

'Or how about this statement, which--in part--reflects the impact of increased pressure on the terrorists: "A large body of reporting indicates that people identifying themselves as jihadists is increasing...however, they are largely decentralized, lack a coherent strategy and are becoming more diffuse." Hmm...doesn't sound much like Al Qaida's pre-9-11 game plan.

'The report also notes the importance of the War in Iraq as a make or break point for the terrorists: "Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves to have failed, we judge that fewer will carry on the fight." It's called a ripple effect.

'More support for defeating the enemy on his home turf: "Threats to the U.S. are intrinsically linked to U.S. success or failure in Iraq." President Bush and senior administration officials have made this argument many times--and it's been consistently dismissed by the "experts" at the WaPo and Times.

'And, some indication that the "growing" jihad may be pursuing the wrong course: "There is evidence that violent tactics are backfiring...their greatest vulnerability is that their ultimate political solution (shar'a law) is unpopular with the vast majority of Muslims." Seems to contradict MSM accounts of a jihadist tsunami with ever-increasing support in the global Islamic community..

'The [National Intelligence] Estimate also affirms the wisdom of sowing democracy in the Middle East: "Progress toward pluralism and more responsive political systems in the Muslim world will eliminate many of the grievances jihadists exploit." As I recall, this the core of our strategy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

'Quite a contrast to the "doom and gloom" scenario painted by the Times and the Post.'

SOURCE: http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2006/09/more-of-what-you-wont-read-in-nyt.html

Hey, SeesWhateverTheNYSlimesTellsMeToSee:

So whaddya think of these crazy comments today from that crazy President Karzai of Afghanistan, huh? Jeez, he seems to think that killing terrorists in Iraq might actually HELP stop terrorism in Afghanistan and elsewhere:

PRESIDENT KARZAI: "Ma'am, before I go to remarks by my brother, President Musharraf, terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11th. The President mentioned some examples of it. These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around for years, closing schools, burning mosques, killing children, uprooting vineyards, with vine trees, grapes hanging on them, forcing populations to poverty and misery.

"They came to America on September 11th, but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world. We are a witness in Afghanistan to what they are and how they can hurt. You are a witness in New York. Do you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the planes hit them? Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman to jump off that high? Who did that? And where are they now? And how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them, other than going after them? Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? That's why we need more action AROUND THE WORLD, in Afghanistan AND ELSEWHERE, to get them defeated -- extremism, their allies, terrorists and the like."

So whaddya think of this crazy talk, SeesAllKnowsAll?

"Watching you duck and dodge that one should be pretty entertaining."

Watching you exit this debate is very revealing.