Before too much kaka lands in this comment section, a little reminder.

Global Warming is about 2-5 degrees one way or the other, not a 30 degree shift. By the time Colorado stopped getting snow in September, we would be extinct.

2-5 degrees...hell, it's not even CLOSE to that much.

We're talking about .4 degrees over the last 40 years.

And we've only been keeping records for 150 years, so who knows what happened the previous billion years give or take.

Mark,

You've got it wrong...according to the moonbats...WE are to blame. =8^0

In about three months, I'm gonna be praying for some global warming...

Let's be honest here, folks. The liberals have created this lie of "global warming" to try to win elections.

I'm already praying for it.:-)

I think it's pretty obvious that if President Bush had signed the Kyoto protocol, we would have caught Osama Bin Laden hoarding WMD's in the mountains of Colorado by now.

On a side note, I am getting dang tired of the angry Democrat routine. Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bill and Hillary etc. Can these people give a speech without yelling? For the most part, Republicans seem to be measured, confident and calm in their speeches. That is much more reassuring when handing power to someone.

Don't be silly. Global warming causes cold weather as well as hot. It causes rain, and snow, and wind, and hail, and fog, and crime, and hatred. George Bush and Carl Rove have the power between them to control the weather by joining their evil minds in a power ranger temperature control kind of thing. And industries owned by liberals and their armored SUV's and private planes don't contribute to the problem at all because they are magic.

Attention Bush Republican Blockheads:
--So sad, it is pathetic. You bought the lies of those whore scientists in the pay of corporate oil money to misled the stupid and the ignorant about the truth of Global Warming.
--I hope this blog continues after the next presidental election(under a different name, no doubt, unless Jeb gets into the 3 ring circus that is this Party) because I want to see the day when you lot actually are forced to admit that Global Warming is a real threat. It will be obvious even to you knuckleheads within another decade and I am a patient Canuckguy.

And Mark, I just finished praising you in the "What is Wrong with Islam" post and you go and write something stupid like this based of some wintery weather. Don't expect lush tropics yet. Lord thundering Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

Global warming is happening isn't it obvious that it is after Hurricane Katrina? All those poor people who suffered and Bush didn't offer any help until it was too late. World wide we are having warmer more unpredictable weather it is so obvious plain and simple. Wake up Republicans like everyone else has and smell the coffee. SIGN UP TO Kyoto.

Maybe WE realize that a TINT minority of scientists agree with you.

Maybe WE realize that the voices we hear talking this crap are NOT scientists - but politicians (and stupid ones at that).

And maybe we don't think you're very smart.

TINY I always spot the typos as the post is loading.

Its really amusing.
The same lawyers who now work for the State of California and are busy suing GM and Ford for CO2 emissions from their cars and trucks, were once responsible for shutting down the Rancho Seco Nuclear Power Station in California.
The CO2 emissions which would have been avoided by running that power plant for the last 15 years would be over 500 times the CO2 saved by Ford and GM getting 8mpg better economy from their vehicles in the state, which would have prevented this lawsuit.
Yet these lawyers are able to get up and look themselves in the mirror in the morning, and not be bothered in the least.
Pseudoenvironmentalism at its finest.

To be blunt, this article is simply idiotic. Are you really trying to make a scientific point? If so, I guess I just have to feel sorry for you. I would also recommend that you seek a refund of tuition from whatever college you attended because it obviously did nothing to advance your ability to think coherently.

If I were any of the car companies I would immediately stop the shipment of new cars AND repair parts to California.

Posted by Kahn: "Maybe WE realize that a TINY minority of scientists agree with you."

Kahn, Kahn, Kanh: You are so wrong!!! You realize wrong.The TINY minority of scientists are the ones who try and debunk the Global Warming issue.

Somebody, help me here.

Canuck,

What is wrong with us? Oh, I don't know - perhaps its that we don't live in fear of death as much as you on the left? You know - we having full confidence in the life of the world to come, we just don't sweat dying here on earth.

It isn't so much whether or not global warming is happening - personally, I'm still unconvinced of it, but that is irrelevant - but how you on the left are presenting the theory, the threat and the demanded solutions...you are present the theory as fact, the threat as mortal and the demanded solutions are just warmed-over Marxism. Drop your insistence that it is fact, get off the high horse of "we're all gonna die!" alarmism, and quit it with the watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside) politics and we'll start to having something to talk about.

You wan't a massive decrease in CO2 emissions? Consider it done - but that means a lot of nuclear power. This is what is known as a compromise - I've been arguing in favor of a massive increase in nuke energy for two decades and if you'll just give me that, I'll sign on to your cockamamie global warming theory.

How come every time I link to the 17,100 scientists who do NOT believe Kyoto would have helped and who don't think the man made causes of Global warming are as bad as we're being told I'm totally ignored hmm?

Once again here's the link. http://oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

If you look at the breakdown of confirmed names and scientists you'll see these aren't all "paid by the oil companies" or what have you. They're real scientists who realize the errors in the theories and are skeptical of the current ideas in how to handle the situation.

Oh, found another interesting site pointing out the issues of global warming:
http://www.globalwarming.org/science.php

Heck every time I end up down at JPL (Jet Propulsion Labratory) I end up talking shop with some of the guys who handle the local weather satelites. Even they are cautious about many of these global warming projections.

So don't give me this BS that EVERY scientist of any worth is fully on board the global warming band wagon. Do try to stay away from those broad strokes that we are so often blamed for using.

Mark:
--I am ok with nuclear power, go now and become a believer.
--There is a nuclear plant 400 Km to the south of me. However that is as close as I want to be near one. Yes, I suffer from the "Not in my back yard" syndrome.
--As for the 'fear of death" you refer to, I just have a disdain for 'head in the sand' tactics.
--Puuleeze!! Global Warming has nothing to do with Marxism, it has everything to do with observed science.

Gonzo, I mean Gozer:
--Those sites you refer to, they are just bogus lying whores in the pay of corporate oil. We can argue until we are blue in the face. We are not going to change each other's minds. So let's just wait a few more years. Then you will see the light. However I will continue taking pot shots whenever this topic gets posted for the fun of it.

Feel free to ignore scientists with an opposing view there Canuckguy. We shall see in the end who is closer to the truth within our lifetime I suppose. Though I doubt either of us will be around to say "hah I told you so" just through the drift of internet viewing.

Though I've already gotten to say "hah I told you so" to the environmentalist "scientists" who predicted an ice age by now just 10 years ago. So maybe you'll hear me say it again. :)

Canuck, you are so far beyond help.......

In my part of the world---a part which was, by the way, affected by the storm mentioned by Mark---it has been getting colder every year. Hmmmm.

Get this, guys....The world gets hotter, and then it gets colder. And then it gets hotter again, and then it gets colder. It's always been like that. It's like a cycle, you see, and it's far more about solar activity than about anything else. Which is why SCIENTISTS are warning us about the impending, as in the next decade or so, mini Ice Age as the earth cools dramatically following the next change in solar activity.

MAYBE humanity has had a minor effect on the gradual heating of the earth lately. If so, let's just hope it keeps up--maybe we can stave off some of that cooling off that is heading our way. You think fuel prices are high now? You think people are dying now? Just wait till agricultural productivity drops, and people can't keep warm.

See if any of your scientists have models for how great life will be with livestock freezing in huge blizzards, crops dying in the fields, the many costs of having to heat homes and businesses in colder weather for longer winter seasons, etc.

The only thing we know for certain, even this far in advance, it that it will all be Bush's fault.

Hey, Canuck guy, how is it that the Vikings were able to raise crops and cattle on land in Greenland back in the 1300's which is permafrost today, and would not support such activity?

They inhabited these villages for hundreds of years, and had to give it up because:

"Greenland's climate began to change as well; the summers grew shorter and progressively cooler, limiting the time cattle could be kept outdoors and increasing the need for winter fodder. During the worst years, when rains would have been heaviest, the hay crop would barely have been adequate to see the penned animals through the coldest days. Over the decades the drop in temperature seems to have had an effect on the design of the Greenlanders' houses. Originally conceived as single-roomed structures, like the great hall at Brattahlid, they were divided into smaller spaces for warmth, and then into warrens of interconnected chambers, with the cows kept close by so the owners might benefit from the animals' body heat."

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

Hey, Canuck guy, how is it that the Vikings were able to raise crops and cattle on land in Greenland back in the 1300's which is permafrost today, and would not support such activity?

They inhabited these villages for hundreds of years, and had to give it up because:

"Greenland's climate began to change as well; the summers grew shorter and progressively cooler, limiting the time cattle could be kept outdoors and increasing the need for winter fodder. During the worst years, when rains would have been heaviest, the hay crop would barely have been adequate to see the penned animals through the coldest days. Over the decades the drop in temperature seems to have had an effect on the design of the Greenlanders' houses. Originally conceived as single-roomed structures, like the great hall at Brattahlid, they were divided into smaller spaces for warmth, and then into warrens of interconnected chambers, with the cows kept close by so the owners might benefit from the animals' body heat."

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

Pickens:
--Regarding the Vikings, yeah, heard of that. Well shit happens. That was 700 years ago. As you stated, the change took hundreds of years and it certainly was not triggered by human activity.
--The change to our present climate is being done in a compressed time period of a few decades, that is what is worrisome.
--Your interesting historical footnote does not weaken the case for the Global Warming of the present day.
--One theory suggests that if the ice of Greenland continue to slide into the sea and melt, it will screw up the Gulf Stream and send Europe into a major cooling down cycle. Not to mention raising the seal level significantly. Meanwhile global warming will impact the rest of the world in a different way with deserts expanding, the tundra permfrost melting, blab blab. Then the sky will fall.

Oh, I don't know - perhaps its that we don't live in fear of death as much as you on the left?

Says the guy who lives in perpetual pants-wetting fear that "Islamofacists" are going to come cut his head off--and mentions it in just about every post where he's challenged on the Iraq war! I must admit, the complete lack of self-awareness exhibited in sentences like the one quoted above are what keep the general unintentional comedy rating of this site high.

Hey Canuck Guy,
My point is that it was WARMER back in 1300 than it is today. And your claim that temperatures are changing faster today than back then is just false.
IF the predictions come true, then the change will be faster, but those predictions have yet to materialize. You are conflating current observed climate change with the dire predictions.

I want to see the day when you lot actually are forced to admit that Global Warming is a real threat. It will be obvious even to you knuckleheads within another decade and I am a patient Canuckguy.

C'mon, Canuckgay, stop yer ranting. You Canadiens could use some warming; maybe then you'd all move a little farther north of the border. Oh yeah, I forgot, living on the border keeps you close to your protector, and good health care.

Me thinks I smell a spoof. Boob's not the kook he pretends to be--noone is that stupid...

To be blunt, this article is simply idiotic. Are you really trying to make a scientific point? If so, I guess I just have to feel sorry for you. I would also recommend that you seek a refund of tuition from whatever college you attended because it obviously did nothing to advance your ability to think coherently.

Bloehard, speaking of coherency, just who are you slamming here? Or are you just trying to impress Boob with your below-average writing skills. What college did you squander daddy's money on? Romper Room U? Pee-Wee Herman A&M? Dumbass Tech? You are a moron, a Boob clone. Go away, before you hurt yourself, girly-man...

Keefer,

Who is Boob? I concede your points. How can I possibly compete with someone as articulate as you?

Sincrely,

Girly-man

Keeefeeerrr!!!
--I am for real. I am not Boob. I am not a spoof.

Keeefeeerr!!!
--You should get reading glasses, you keep seeing "u" as an "a". As in "guy".

Keefer,

I will try to upgrade my writing skills to a level such that even you will be able to understand my point.

Citing a mountain blizzard as evidence against global warming is devoid of any meaningful scientific content. It is akin to stating that "My grandfather smoked twelve packs of cigarettes a day and he lived to be a hundred, so I don't believe this theory that smoking is bad for your health." Such observations are an utter waste of time whose only apparent purpose is to prey on the weak of mind. (I would also point out that citing Katrina as "proof" of global warming is likewise invalid.)

I will make another observation. The debate is not over whether global warming has been occuring--virtually all scientists agree on this--but rather whether human activity significantly contributes to the phenomenon. Although I am not a climatologist, it is my understanding that there is now an overwhelming consensus that such is the case (not that there aren't a handful of skeptics). Keefer, I understand that analyzing issues in more than one dimension can cause confusion, but I think that you will feel more fulfilled if you at least make the attempt.

Girly-man

Keefer,

OUCH, on that last post from Girly Man! You got thoroughly gutted and filleted. But, hang in there. Don't get too discouraged.

Toucan

Bloefeld:
--I have not noticed you before but I wish to extend a welcome to the land of the Living Brain Dead.

Keefer, come back Keefer. We need you Keefer. Keefer, please come back. Kee--fer. Kee--fer.

(With apologies to Shane).

Canuckguy,

Thanks for the welcome. The median IQ level at this site seems to be somewhat lower than what I have observed at other right-of-center blogs (or left-of-center sites for that matter). Or is this just my imagination?

Bloefeld:

Sadly it is not your imagination. They are consistently delusional on the question of gobal warming.

And they foam at the mouth when confronted with rational comments questioning such things as "The Iraqi Success Story", "Bush Intelligence", "The Competance of Rumsfeld".

There are many humourous things going on here. However their concerns about radical Islam and porous borders are subjects of real concern, it is their offered solutions that are often totally wacky and irrational.

Canuckguy,

I may stick around at this site (I am somewhat new to all of this). I am very fond of Canada but I love America. In my mind, this is not a discrepancy.

Hey, Canuckguy.
You still believe that the observed climatic warming is faster than ever before seen, as you indicated earlier?
You're so smart, please provide a link to this supposed "fact".

Canuckguy,

I guess I have some admiration for you. I admit I do not have the the patience to engage in a continuing repartee with the unhinged nit-wits populating this site. I would simply link "Slim" Pickens to the National Science Foundation's web site on this issue. This site provides an overview of the global warming issue as compiled by America's most esteemed scientists in the area (aka "secularists").

In the mean time I will go back to reading my Darwinism texts and planning how to sacrifice babies to Beelezubub.

Girly-man

Pickens:
--There are many sites where good information can be had on global warming, ie: like the one Bloefeld recommended.
--Such information is readily available with internet searches. As for myself, I mostly read hard copy(newspapers and magazines), my preference, easier on my eyes.
--In fact, in today's Globe&Mail, Envirnoment Canada stated
1. that of the last 37 winters, only 2 were colder than normal
2. it has been a decade since a winter wasn't unseasonably mild compared to historical averages.
3. The winter of 2005/2006 was the warmest winter on record.

--Those facts above by themselvesdo not prove human caused global warming but it is another noticed trend that compelling points more and more that something drastic is happening. It is my opinion, after reading many articles(and I have read some nay-sayer's articles), the situation is going to get worse and I also believe that human activity has a hell of a lot to do with it.
--I am not bothering providing links. What is the point? It seems you are not bothering to read both sides of the coin on this subject and if you do, it is with a closed mind.(And don't bother trying to point out the irony of my last comment.)

--It is a sad state of affairs that this global warming debate is divided by political beliefs with the right wing Republicans as the rabid naysayers with their knuckleheads stuck up where the sun don't shine.

Canuckguy,
What you are claiming is that man-induced global warming will cause a disaster unless we do something about it, because of this unique, never before seen, level of global temperatures at the surface, and the extreme rate of change.
I submit that both of these claims are false.
None of your three points in rebuttal to me above addresses the issue of "unprecedented" warming or rate of change. The global weather changes, it has been warmer in the past than it is at present. My example of the Greenland experience is widely held to be an example of this.

Now, I will submit a link to demonstrate what I'm saying. NASA has been using microwave emissions to measure atmospheric temperatures since the 1970's. If you look at the graph, you will see that the average global temperature at the surface has changed by 0.3 Degrees C over that period, or about 0.1 C per decade. This is NOT an unprecidented rate of temperature change, as you claim. It is, in fact, at the very low range of what the doomsayers estimate from their computer models when they started this twenty years ago.

What do you call a theory which makes a claim, and is then disproven?

Linky:
http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html

Global Warming is happening, like it was from 1900 - 1940, then we had Global Cooling until 1970 now we are having "Global Warming" again.

Now doubt in a few years we will again go through a period of Global Cooling.

It has been happening for thousands of years with and without humans, and it will continue, with or without human activity. Its natural.

What about Global Dimming?

It has happened many times before. Global tilt, orbit perturbations and the build up of various greenhouse gasses are all factors.
CO2, methane, etc..., are liberated in many different ways. All we ask is that you recognize that the activity of six billion people does have an effect.
We liberate tons of greenhouse gasses everyday. To take one industry: Do you really think that the 30 billions gallons of fuel burned every year by the airlines goes into a nice little container somewhere?
Yes, the earth will heal itself. We will not be here to see it but it will. Some of you have kids I'm sure. Are you willing to sacrifice their future? You believe that we cannot affect the earth, it is too big. So why do we clean up oil spills? Why did the Navy end the practice of dumping garbage overboard? Why the concern over nuclear waste? Why are we concerned with manmade features such as the vast garbage wasteland filling the North Pacific Gyre? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre

Yes, the (largely) plastic island will dissolve, slowly. Plastic breaks down into smaller pieces of plastic; eventually becoming molecules of plastic. It’s a wonderful substance and absolutely top notch for recycling. But it has to be kept in its proper place.
I digress and it is late in the day. Place heads back in the sand and flame on! I’ll check back later.