Culture of hypocrisy--that's what they are.

Have you ever noticed, Mark, how Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, et.al., never appear to be happy? Always frowning, always bringing a message of doom-and-gloom, always telling their lemmings "it's time for a change."

I agree--it is time for a change. Unfortunately, Reid and Kerry aren't up for reelection, and San Fran Nan is firmly entrenched in kookville, so she's safe.

These people need to be defeated...

What President Reagan said about the leaders fo the Soviet Union is completely applicable to the Libs and their allies.

"... the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause..."

They share this attitude with the terrorists and are willing to do anything, no matter how hypcritcal or dishonorable, to regain their power.

Pot calling the kettle black isn't it mark? Bush who wants to crush unions to ensure corporations rake it in at the expense of the working man. Bush who want to ensure that America has a Mexican slave class of worker ensuring dirt cheap labour.

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The poor and working class is under attack by none other than the notorious:

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Axis;

What evidence do you have of President Bush attempting to crush Unions? It's the Dems who want a permanent underclass so they have someone to scare into voting for them. Furthermore, it's the corporations who provide the products, services AND jobs that help the American worker enjoy the highest standard of living ever experienced in human history.

You know, if you read this blog enough, you begin to wonder exactly who is the enemy that you're really afraid of? Bin Laden or the Democratic party?

Oh, I don't womder at all 3MY, both need to be contended with as a threat to freedon

Little of column A, little of column B... :)

No seriously though I doubt many of us fear the Democrats or the Terrorists, we fear what would happen if either of them won what they wanted. Which is why we fight so hard against both opponents.

3moretears

We don't fear either you donks or Al Queda, even though you are both are bent on the destruction of the USA...they purposefully...you through ignorance or stupidity.

Porter, Gozer,

You have gone off the deep end. First off, the Republicans have had majority power for 12 years and total control for 6. I submit to you that all of our present problems are completely owned by them.

Second, there is a clear majority of Americans that disagree with your positions. What to do? Kill them? Jail them? What then?

I am more libertarian than Democrat and more Democrat than Republican. What now? Should I be silenced, ridiculed, murdered? What the hell are you folks really about?

My Idea of a good, functional government is one of balance. This means that no single party, left or right, has complete control. The result of this arrangement is compromise, deciding in the middle. That's where I want things to be. That's by the way where most Americans are...in the middle.

You people seem to make this out to be some kind of ideological struggle between parties but I think you've missed the point. WE are a diverse and complex country, dealing with diverse and complex issues. No single party or person has the key, the answer, the perfect solution. WE must solve this TOGETHER, and if we can't, then WE, all of us will fail.

So my suggestion to all of you is to stop the demonization of the left and start seeking common ground to solve these problems together. Again, if that's not possible, then we have truly lost the fight, battle and war.

P.S.

Can any one of you say that you voted for at least one Democrat in the last election? I can say that I voted for at least one GOP. Think about it. What have you become? Party loyalists or Americans? There is a difference and I hope you have the presense of mind to see it.

Mark
Nice spin on things here, the situation is door to door marketing, something I did in Portland Oregon. This kind of job has a flexible schedule and doesn't pay by the hour, and doesn't fall under minimum wage laws. Some people are good at it, and some aren't, just like any commission job, it's not for everyone. The key words you missed were "amounts to".

So when you understand this, can we still condemn the Democrats for seeking a higher minimum wage as screwing the working class?

Keep up the spin Mark, your audience is only starting to look dizzy.

What? Once again 3 more your posts seem to have little to do with what is posted, at least as far as my comments.

Are you saying, as a libertarian, that you want what those who aren't Libertarians to be the law? I mean if you have views and positions you don't want the other guy to win right? That's normally what one does when they take a side, they want to prevent the other guy from getting his way.

Do I think everything has gone right in the last 12 years? Heck no! Do I agree with everything that's gone down. Again no. Will that stop me from fighting for things to go the way I want, of course not. It shouldn't be any different for anyone in any party, that's the point after all.

I don't know where you get the idea that we want you silenced or removed. I just don't want certain things to go through and hence I'll fight tooth and nail to prvent it and I fear what will happen if I fail.

If guns are outlawed then all the criminals will have guns. I fear this day ever occuring so I fight to prevent it.

I don't want to see a day when 75% of my paycheck is taken away in taxes so 55% of the nation doesn't have to work. I fight to stop that.

I have views I fight for, don't you?

As for my voting habits I live in California. Half the ticket is just Dems, so yes, I can say I've voted for a Dem or two. If Dems were to every fight for the same views I do then maybe I'd vote for them more willingly. As it stands they don't. That's not party loyalty that's just the way it is. Hell, I'm probably not voting for Arnold because of all the crap he's done, even though there's an "R" by his name.

I'm not afraid of the ideology in and of itself; it’s those who espouse to implement it. It’s also not like boo scary, to me but to a clear majority of Americans the thought of the likes of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running things in Congress is unacceptable.

I cannot remember if I ever voted for a Democrat, I probably have locally when I was young and dumb, but now I just won't cast a vote for an office if there is someone I don't like.

It’s too hard to hold my nose and press the little touch screen buttons at the same time.

Porter (NC)

Gozer, I asked who you were more afraid of, dems or BL and you responded "Little of column A, little of column B... :)"

Pardon me if I took that to mean that the Democrats were as dangerous to you as Bin Laden. I will assume then that you just meant that in jest. I will say that if that's true you are in the "vast" minority on this blog. It seems to me that most would like to see a "great purging" to rid the country of people that believe as I do. You may not feel this way, but you certainly can't read these posts and think that many here don't.

Yeah I thought the Smiley face gave away my joking part. ;)

Honestly though, I know some of the guys here are very blunt and fed up but I seriously don't think they want to remove folks such as yourself from the country. Sure we might dream of doing things like that but we live in the real world and know that we can't do things like that.

Once again Three more tears just doesn't get it! Let's see if you can get this TMT!!!

#1. It's been just under FIVE years since a major terrorist attack has SUCCEEDED on our prescious soil! Should I be afraid of a MAN who has to run for his life every time we get close to him? No, I don't think so!!!

#2. The liberal left(starting before we went into Afghanistan), has continually attacked for the last 6 years(mostly with PLAME lies, I mean plain lies) our soveriegnty, our leaders and our WILL/RESOLVE to fight against a plain as day EVIL ENEMY! Instead of coming across with alternative Ideas on how to fight this enemy, they would have us condemn our government and this country......WHY? Because they lost the Gotdamn election in their own personal courts! Am I afraid of them? Personally, I think they're a bunch of friggin crybaby punk... beatches! But, If enough lazy people buy into their garbage, I will be afraid for this country and the blood that the LIBS will have on their very own hands! But hey, that's just my two cents, got anything to say about that TMT(BDS Boy)!

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Gozer,

I'm not convinced of that. Much of the rhetoric here is very much about hatred and fear. Quite frankly, many of these folks scare me, not scared/frightened but more scared/concerned. What kind of world do they really imagine they want? In addition, if ridding the world of people like me is what you "dream" of, then what does that really say about you?

"Democrats don't actually care about the the poor, the elderly, the ill, the workers...all they care about is obtaining power."

I think you mean to describe Republicans, Mark.
Anyway, what reason do you have believe such a ridiculous idea. Isn't helping people a noble enough cause? If you wanna look at the people who only care about obtaining power, maybe it would be a little more rational to look at the people who are invading countries and thirsty to start and make war. Please get real, Mark.

Well, I certainly don't want opponent’s dead or imprisoned or otherwise indisposed, just not in office. But, that’s just me.

In addition, if ridding the world of people like me is what you "dream" of, then what does that really say about you?

Posted by: 3moreyears

*Chuckles*

It says I have a healthy imagination. We all have negative thoughts on occasion, if we don't act them out in our dreams now and then we might start doing them in real life. Now we wouldn't want to do that now would we?

Seriously, can you honestly tell me you haven't day dreamed or thought of your boss "getting it?" Or that there were no "right wing nut jobs" to bother you? Come on and relax. You can't believe everything you read online, this is where we come to vent and argue in ways we can't in reality.

:p

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And this is a bad thing? The less comments we get from 3moronbraincells, the better. Personally, I think he'd make a fine grille ornament for a bus...

SUSA,

No, it is your side I'm describing. You, of course, don't want to confront the facts but facts are stubborn things.

The plain fact of the matter is that the left has never really cared about people - so busy trying to save humanity that they've never had time for actual, individual humans.

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Posted by: 3moreyears at September 2, 2006 10:06 PM

Bwahahahaaahahaaaahahaaaaaaa!

Once again TMT, I am forced to explain things to you! I NEVER expect a comment back from you regarding my posts. Reason being, they make way to much sense for your typical left wing talking points to dispute. You blacklisted me the second I got into that little peanut you call a mind bro. Maybe when you get out there and live IT, you'll come back to reality. Till then, ain't much hope for you TMT!

Mark -
Increase the minimum wage. Then we won't have these problems.

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Posted by: 3moreyears at September 2, 2006 10:06 PM

Bwahahahaaahahaaaahahaaaaaaa!

Once again TMT, I am forced to explain things to you! I NEVER expect a comment back from you regarding my posts. Reason being, they make way to much sense for your typical left wing talking points to dispute. You blacklisted me the second I got into that little peanut you call a mind bro. Maybe when you get out there and live IT, you'll come back to reality. Till then, ain't much hope for you TMT!

I have voted for any Demcorat since 1980 when i switched to the GOP, thanks to Jimmy Carter's, ah, "leadership" that was a mistake vote

Grew up and found out that the Dems was anti-military, anti-family, anti-chuch, anti-business, anti-black, anti-common sense etc etc etc

axis............
crush the unions!!!?? surely you jest!!!
Ask San Fran Nan Belosi about crushing the unions..They are not permitted in the hotels and the vinyards that she and her husband OWN!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hick,

And when we do and prices go up to meet it and, oh, $20 an hour is worth no more than the $5.15 is today...then what do we do? Wages can only go up as productivity goes up - if you try to artificially inflate it, then all you're doing is increasing costs with no offsetting benefit.

Xango,

There is a large difference between not wanting a union for your company (vast majority of employers would say no if given the chance)

and trying to crush, discredit or dis-empower already existing ones that are legal.

Regan went to war against the unions during his era, suceeding in crushing many of them. Bush has taken up the torch and is trying to finish the job.

The current regime of Republicans are mostly corporatists, they favor the lowest wage possible for the working man and the highest profit possible for the CEO's and the corporate bank account. Unions stand in the way of this, which is why the Republicans want them gone.

For an example, recently news of a Bush administration attempt to fire all the traffic controllers at the major airports and replace them with $8/hr employees. The most important job at the airport, one that is responsible for the lives of everyone in an aircraft landing or taking off and Bush wants to replace their well paid jobs with ones that pay the same as one would expect a student to be making at Mcdonalds.

Then theres the issue of the "guest worker" program, which would legalize illegals and make it legal to pay them $1.50/hour for labor in Republican factories, farms and industries.

Make no mistake, if allowed to, Bush would turn the US into a clone of Mexico, where you have virtually no middle class left, only the filty rich, gettign rich of the poor and impoverished.

Hick, everytime you increase the minimum wage you either A) cut some less skilled person out of a job because of the increased cost of hiring people; and B) raise the cost of living because businesses do not absorb these costs, they pass them on. Basic economics. Better to help people in the lower paying jobs get training, and a consistant work record so they can earn more by being more cost effective.

A Dem won't encourage that because that would remove the permenant lower class from their voting block.

"Make no mistake, if allowed to, Bush would turn the US into a clone of Mexico, where you have virtually no middle class left, only the filty rich, gettign rich of the poor and impoverished."

Axis, what have you been smoking tonight? No one wants the US to be a clone of Mexico, and Bush does understand that a strong middle class is in his favor. As a member of the working middle class I know who has done better by me - the Republicans.

Axis, it hard to believe even you could be this stupid.

"For an example, recently news of a Bush administration attempt to fire all the traffic controllers at the major airports and replace them with $8/hr employees. The most important job at the airport, one that is responsible for the lives of everyone in an aircraft landing or taking off and Bush wants to replace their well paid jobs with ones that pay the same as one would expect a student to be making at Mcdonalds."

You know, if you want to argue a point, you should avoid the use of fiction to support your position. It makes you look stupid.

Please educate us on President Reagan's war against the Unions, another piece of fiction.

Axis, it hard to believe even you could be this stupid.

"For an example, recently news of a Bush administration attempt to fire all the traffic controllers at the major airports and replace them with $8/hr employees. The most important job at the airport, one that is responsible for the lives of everyone in an aircraft landing or taking off and Bush wants to replace their well paid jobs with ones that pay the same as one would expect a student to be making at Mcdonalds."

You know, if you want to argue a point, you should avoid the use of fiction to support your position. It makes you look stupid.

Please educate us on President Reagan's war against the Unions, another piece of fiction.

-- The only fiction is those stories you have been told and have bought,hook, line and sinker.

Check out the Republican Air Traffic Control Reform and see for yourself. Then come back here and tell us how is the real stupid one.

"You know, if you want to argue a point, you should avoid the use of fiction to support your position. It makes you look stupid."

-- The only fiction is those stories you have been told and have bought,hook, line and sinker.

Check out the Republican Air Traffic Control Reform and see for yourself. Then come back here and tell us how is the real stupid one.

"You know, if you want to argue a point, you should avoid the use of fiction to support your position. It makes you look stupid."

Axis, it hard to believe even you could be this stupid.

Mel, you're just beginning to learn about axis--you should have been around a few months ago, when this moron posted more frequently. Nothing he posts should surprise you--he's just another in a long line of Bush-hating, America-hating kooks who post here. Stick around...

Please point out where, within the Governments proposal, it is proposed to fire the ATC's and replace them with $8/hr employees. This is pure nonsense. In Canada, where these reforms have been enacted ATCs make ~ $100,000.00 a year. Furthermore costs have fallen and safety has improved.

As I said before, pure fiction. I guess it's still you. If you had any brains you'd be screaming for this reform and wondering why it was taking so long.

We have become a society in which the poor tend to stay poor, no matter how hard they work and in which sons are much more likely to inherit the socioeconomic status of their father than they were a generation ago. Our so-called political leaders (Republican and Democrat alike) are doing everything they can to fortify class inequality, while denouncing anyone who complains or even points out what is happening as a practitioner of "class warfare." Thirty years ago we were a relatively middle-class nation. It had not always been that way: The Gilded Age America was a highly unequal society, and it stayed that way through the 1920s. During the 1930s and '40s, however, America experienced what the economic historians Claudia Goldin and Robert Margo have dubbed the Great Compression: a drastic narrowing of income gaps, probably as a result of New Deal policies. And the new economic order persisted for more than a generation: Strong unions; taxes on inherited wealth, corporate profits and high incomes; close public scrutiny of corporate management--all helped to keep income gaps relatively small. The economy was hardly egalitarian, but a generation ago the gross inequalities of the 1920s seemed very distant. Now they're back. According to estimates by the economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, confirmed by data from the Congressional Budget Office, between 1973 and 2000 the average real income of the bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers actually fell by 7 percent. Meanwhile, the income of the top 1 percent rose by 148 percent, the income of the top 0.1 percent rose by 343 percent and the income of the top 0.01 percent rose 599 percent. (Those numbers exclude capital gains, so they're not an artifact of the stock-market bubble.) The distribution of income in the United States has gone right back to Gilded Age levels of inequality.

Now suppose, for the sake of argument that we Americans lived in a caste society, which of course we don’t, right? Anyway, suppose that you actually liked a caste society, and you were seeking ways to use your control of the government to further entrench the advantages of the haves against the have-nots. What would you do? One thing you would definitely do is get rid of the estate tax, so that large fortunes can be passed on to the next generation. More broadly, you would seek to reduce tax rates both on corporate profits and on unearned income such as dividends and capital gains, so that those with large accumulated or inherited wealth could more easily accumulate even more. You'd also try to create tax shelters mainly useful for the rich. And more broadly still, you'd try to reduce tax rates on people with high incomes, shifting the burden to the payroll tax and other revenue sources that bear most heavily on people with lower incomes. Meanwhile, on the spending side, you'd cut back on healthcare for the poor, on the quality of public education and on state aid for higher education. This would make it more difficult for people with low incomes to climb out of their difficulties and acquire the education essential to upward mobility in the modern economy. And just to close off as many routes to upward mobility as possible, you'd do everything possible to break the power of unions, and you'd privatize government functions so that well-paid civil servants could be replaced with poorly paid private employees. Sound familiar?

These economic classes you speak about are not static and people move in and out of them all the time. These economists make the classic, probably deliberate, error of equating these economic categories with classes of people. People are compensated according to the value they bring to their employer; as they gain in skills and experience they move up the ladder and are appropriately compensated. If their skill set stays static and they remain unproductive their compensation will be low. As for pathways to prosperity being closed, this is complete nonsense. In today's world it is possible to create your own job and earn as much as your ambition and work ethic allow. I came from a poor family and now own my own business making far more than when I started out.

As a youngster, I knew that I needed an education so despite hardships and numerous temptations I finished High School. I went to work and then joined the Military. I worked hard and got promoted then went back to school and got my BSc. Every step of the way as I upgraded my skills my compensation increased. After the Military I joined a civilian firm and made sure I contributed to the success of the firm and that my boss knew it. I continued to take courses and made sure my skills kept pace with changes in my field. A few years ago I struck out on my own and enjoy a lifestyle I could scarcly dream of as a young man (not that I'm old).

If I could do it then anyone can.

Keep up the good work, Mark. My Dad was a victim of rotten Boston politics(you know, the capital
city of the former Commonwealth of Massachusetts, now known as the People's Republic of Massachusetts) while he was a registered Democrat. I gave up the Dems in l968 and have never looked back. Long an Independent, am proud to be a registered member of the GOP...also proud to have voted for both Presidents Bush in '88, '92, 2000, '04.
Thanks!

sigh....re axis..I know, I know, why do I even bother............
He really does needs his meds adjusted, tho...

"If I could do it then anyone can."

How old are you, Mel? In what decade did you managed to pull yourself up by your bootstraps? Are you a minority? Are you a woman? "Doing it then" is a lot different than trying to do it now. Not saying that it isn't possible, however it is very very improbable in this day and time that a very poor person will achieve the "American Dream."

Common sense dictates that whenever you achieved your current level of success that the cost of living was a lot less than it is now. College tuition was a lot less. What was the minimum wage back then? Suppose military service isn't an option? Suppose a company that a worker gives their heart and soul to goes under or the bosses that they're trying to impress steals the company blind?

For you to state that pathways are open to everyone tells me that you're either extremely naive or extemely ignorant when it comes to the hardships that most people have to go through just to get a job today. Most employers want you to have a phone and physical address. Suppose you don't have that, then what? Suppose you've lost your house or apartment? What if you got sick and, while you were sick you lost your job, resulting in you losing your place to live? Now you've got medical bills on top of being unemployed. A lot of the "what if" scenarios I mentioned are reality for a lot of people in this country. Before you make a blanket statement about "pathways being open to everyone" you need to take a moment and actually talk to people who are on the receiving end of trickle down economics.

"Regan (sic)went to war against the unions during his era, suceeding in crushing many of them."axis

I know hsitory and facts are hard for you to grasp, but Reagan didn't go to war against the unions. He went after PATCO which was a federal employees union of air traffic controllers because IT BROKE THE LAW. Federal unions are not allowed to do this, and these guys thought they could hold the country hostage...they were wrong, and Reagan was right. His actions, although condemned by leftists such as yourself, were supported by a vast majority of American Taxpayers, and voters.

"Bush has taken up the torch and is trying to finish the job."

As noted above you have provide no credible evidence of this. The unions do a good enough job of eliminating their jobs with outrageous demands forcing employers to move manufacturing facilities. Trade unions are an anachronism that only benefit to corrupt leaders.

Your comment about Pelosi is really laughable. You are apparently then only one who doesn't see the hypocracy of personal opposition to labor unions and public support of the same. You are a complete moron.

Ethan;

Yeah, life's a bitch and then you die.

I'm 48 and I when I started working my salary was $425/month, was making $1100/month when I went back to school in 1982, and my current level of success occurred in the last couple of years. Everyday I have to go out and find opportunities because they don't come looking for me. Since I became a man I don't believe in "if" anymore. I believe in personal responsibility and planning to handle contingencies. My sister had polio when she was three, one of the last cases before the vaccine was available, spent her life on crutches and now uses a wheelchair to get around. She raised a family, runs her own businesses (yes, more than one) and owns her own home. What you seem to want is equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. This is just not possible in a free society and we've seen what a wonderful life they live(d) in places where they "guaranteed" equality of outcome; the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba to name a few. The people are so happy they risk death to escape and come to America.

People have varying degrees of ability, drive, willingness to work and different dreams. The opportunities are there for everyone but some will achieve more sucess than others. You wouldn't really expect someone who puts in his 8 hrs/day just doing what he's told to do, goes home drinks a couple of beers and watches tv all evening to achieve the same success as someone works 12-14 hrs/day, comes in on weekends, takes night courses to upgrade his skills and looks around for ways to improve his workplace and community, would you? Capitalism is essentially the economics of freedom where anyone can achieve whatever their abilities, drive and work ethic allow.

Finally, Americans are the most generous people on the face of the earth and those who need help because of illness and other events beyond their control can readily find it either in Government programs, charitable foundations or faith communities. Look at how much money was raised for the vitims of hurricane Katrina. Look at how much Americans give to vitims of natural and manmade disasters anywhere in the world. The American economic system and the wealth it generates is what makes this possible.

You live in the greatest country on earth, with opportunities unheard of anywhere else at any time in human history. No other system has generated the opportunities offered here. The "poor" here live better than most of mankind thoughout history and it just keeps getting better.