Mark,
I bicycle this route regularly and the only thing that is separated by this construction is Huntington Beach and Huntington Dog Beach, (where I ran into Paris Hilton last Saturday.) The amusing part of this is that it’s only a few miles north of where the Santa Ana River empties into the Pacific. The river acts as a game refuge that will be destroyed when the wetlands open up, and the indigenous population of the wetlands will return (mosquitoes) requiring the California Department of Health Services to send in the mosquito abatement squad to spray the wetlands kill the mosquitoes and drive the birds back to the Santa Ana River again which by then will be dead ecosystem requiring the State to rebuild the river as a game refuge. Your tax dollars at work!
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at August 24, 2006 02:53 PM
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at August 24, 2006 02:57 PM
Your tax dollars at work!
The restoration of the wetlands was partly funded by the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach to make up for marine habitat that was destroyed during their expansion. The rest of the money came from voter-approved bonds.
D'oh!
Posted by: Willem van Oranje at August 24, 2006 03:30 PM
I don't get your point, do you think government issued bonds is free money? This isn't taxpayers' expense? There's good news; I'll alert the liberals that bonds aren't really "a debt that future generations will have to repay"!
Thanks, Willem. Next time they bring up that "mortgaging our children’s' future" argument, I'll refer them to you.
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at August 24, 2006 04:15 PM
Bane,
Interesting comments. I too live in the OC (Tustin) and drive by Bolsa Chica etc. fairly regularly.
Posted by: GOP4ME at August 24, 2006 04:40 PM
Bane: "I'll alert the liberals that bonds aren't really "a debt that future generations will have to repay"
Don't get me started on that, lol! But anyway, I checked out a few articles and it sounds like this wetlands project isn't entirely a bad thing. It could be good for the tourist trade, probably property values, and very likely the fishing industry. Even the surfers aren't sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, lol! I haven't read any articles that were anywhere near as negative as your assessment. But I also haven't read any articles that break down the cost of the project, either -- and specifically how much of it was funded through public bonds, who issued them, or how they intend to be repaid. But if they're tapping me, I want my cut of the eventual take!
Posted by: Ricorun at August 24, 2006 05:43 PM
Willem, straying from Scrutator? How are ya, lad?
Posted by: keefer at August 24, 2006 05:58 PM
Rico,
Tourist trade? You know where this is located, right? I don’t think we can pack one more tourist into the Newport-Huntington-Bolsa Chica-Seal Beach area. And the ones we do have are bringing down the property values just by hanging around; florescent skin/socks and sandals/matching outfits/reek of coconut oil/Disneyland hats/funny mid-western accents/pointing at everything/littering the beaches/stopping on the freeways to read the signs/picnic on our front lawns/inflatable surfboards (seriously!)/throwing coins off the piers (you haven’t lived until you’ve been hit in the head by a quarter while sitting on your board waiting for a wave)/fat middle-aged men in Speedos®/in-line skaters crashing into each other while wearing full body protection/Hawaiian shirts in colors not found in nature, three sizes too small/cigarette smoke at the sidewalk café/and painful looking angry sunburns!
I’m just kidding, we love ya’, tourists. come see the Bolsa Chica wetlands. We welcome you and never make fun of you after you leave. Really!
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at August 24, 2006 06:28 PM
What more could you expect from my very own sunny Kaleefornea! Well maybe not mine.....if it was things would most certainly be different!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at August 24, 2006 07:03 PM
*Shakes head*
Wow, more fun from you folks down the hill. I have no clue how this will pan out but I bet our tree hugging friends will find another project to spend money on shortly.
I just wish we could get the LA-Vegas bullet train project going forward. The politics on that are insane, and it's not just the eco guys messing with it either. Everyone wants a piece of the train, which I think is going to kill it. California progress at work! *Sighs*
Posted by:
Gozer at August 24, 2006 07:23 PM
Bane... ROFLMAO!!
Well, there's still the fishing industry. Lol!
And who exactly is funding the thing? It sounds like the Long Beach/Seal Beach harbors are footing a significant part of the bill. But that's only the implication I gleaned from what I read. No one offered any real numbers.
Posted by: Ricorun at August 24, 2006 08:00 PM
"Bulldozers to Restore Wetlands in Calif."
Oh! That's why Bolsa Chica beach parking fees are at $10.
"I just wish we could get the LA-Vegas bullet train project going forward."-Gozer
Gozer, I can just picture it: The maiden voyage of the brand-spanking new LA-Vegas bullet train gets derailed by a massive 8.0 earthquake! bwahaha!
Posted by: Freedom1 at August 24, 2006 08:28 PM
I don't get it?
This upsets you because they are rehabilitating wetlands? Or does it upset you because they are using bulldozers to do it?
As far as the comment regarding "Western Man and prime examples of his "inappropriate technology"?"
Who defines what is "inappropriate technology" and why would a bulldozer be such? They are just tools.
Oh right, the oil wells...
One of GW's cronies lose out on this?
Posted by: Lobes at August 25, 2006 02:23 AM
Why do conservatives and most Republicans scoff and sneer at anything that hints at protecting the environment?
You falsely assume that you can pave over, cut down and trash the environment at your own peril.
Wade
Posted by: Wade at August 25, 2006 02:58 AM
Gozer,
Yep...we here in Nevada, however, are busily widening the road from Stateline to Vegas...just to keep our guests in the casinos a half hour longer...hey, it adds up...and keeps my taxes low.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at August 25, 2006 04:32 AM
Wade,
Just making fun of tree-huggers who are using a bulldozer to save the environment...if you can't see the delicious irony, then you've had a humor-ectomy, as most liberal/left people appear to have...
Posted by: Mark Noonan at August 25, 2006 04:49 AM
Now if the environmentalists really wanted the land turned back into its original 'pristine' condition, the water should be restored to its original path and sections of California should be allowed to revert back to desert.
Posted by: Hermie at August 25, 2006 08:12 AM
Oh, you were trying to be funny? And nobody laughed?
That's so sad.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje at August 25, 2006 06:07 PM
Baney, just adding context to your childish "taxdollars" remark.
What part of "voter-approved" don't you understand?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje at August 25, 2006 06:11 PM
Just making fun of tree-huggers who are using a bulldozer to save the environment...if you can't see the delicious irony, then you've had a humor-ectomy, as most liberal/left people appear to have...
If you can't see the delicious irony, it's because there is no delicious irony. This post is about as childish as they come, mixing one part strawman with one part ignorance. It's not the use of bulldozers per se that an environmentalist might object to. It's the use of a bulldozer to, say, push dirt over a rare and unique natural formation that it took millions of years of wind and water to form on its own. Or, a wetlands in order to build yet another strip mall.
I know, I know, it's much easier to simply post away than think things through ... or even bother to consider the other point of view. In that case ... finely done.
Posted by:
Captain Salty at August 25, 2006 07:13 PM
Wade,
Every time the environ-mental-cases get their way the government steps in to screw up another environment. Give it 6 months and I’ll meet you at the Santa Ana River bottom; I’ll point out the mountains of algae and pond scum where the waterfowl used to nest.
Hermie,
The area around Bolsa Chica would actually be coastal chaparral; as of today, the only remaining coastal chaparral is in Devil’s Canyon adjacent to Cal State San Bernardino.
Willem-y,
So, the bond issue is a voter approved tax hike? What part of “tax” don't you understand? Oh, right ... never met a liberal that didn't like a tax on someone else.
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at August 25, 2006 07:57 PM
Captain,
Geesh - get the joke: it is FUNNY that environmentalist use bulldozers...I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm saying it is funny...you know, "ha ha" funny?
Posted by: Mark Noonan at August 25, 2006 09:18 PM
Willem,
Everyone with a sense of humor got the joke - this excludes everyone on the left end of the political spectrum.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at August 25, 2006 09:19 PM
Mark,
I bicycle this route regularly and the only thing that is separated by this construction is Huntington Beach and Huntington Dog Beach, (where I ran into Paris Hilton last Saturday.) The amusing part of this is that it’s only a few miles north of where the Santa Ana River empties into the Pacific. The river acts as a game refuge that will be destroyed when the wetlands open up, and the indigenous population of the wetlands will return (mosquitoes) requiring the California Department of Health Services to send in the mosquito abatement squad to spray the wetlands kill the mosquitoes and drive the birds back to the Santa Ana River again which by then will be dead ecosystem requiring the State to rebuild the river as a game refuge. Your tax dollars at work!
D'oh!
I don't get your point, do you think government issued bonds is free money? This isn't taxpayers' expense? There's good news; I'll alert the liberals that bonds aren't really "a debt that future generations will have to repay"!
Thanks, Willem. Next time they bring up that "mortgaging our children’s' future" argument, I'll refer them to you.
Bane,
Interesting comments. I too live in the OC (Tustin) and drive by Bolsa Chica etc. fairly regularly.
Bane: "I'll alert the liberals that bonds aren't really "a debt that future generations will have to repay"
Don't get me started on that, lol! But anyway, I checked out a few articles and it sounds like this wetlands project isn't entirely a bad thing. It could be good for the tourist trade, probably property values, and very likely the fishing industry. Even the surfers aren't sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, lol! I haven't read any articles that were anywhere near as negative as your assessment. But I also haven't read any articles that break down the cost of the project, either -- and specifically how much of it was funded through public bonds, who issued them, or how they intend to be repaid. But if they're tapping me, I want my cut of the eventual take!
Willem, straying from Scrutator? How are ya, lad?
Rico,
Tourist trade? You know where this is located, right? I don’t think we can pack one more tourist into the Newport-Huntington-Bolsa Chica-Seal Beach area. And the ones we do have are bringing down the property values just by hanging around; florescent skin/socks and sandals/matching outfits/reek of coconut oil/Disneyland hats/funny mid-western accents/pointing at everything/littering the beaches/stopping on the freeways to read the signs/picnic on our front lawns/inflatable surfboards (seriously!)/throwing coins off the piers (you haven’t lived until you’ve been hit in the head by a quarter while sitting on your board waiting for a wave)/fat middle-aged men in Speedos®/in-line skaters crashing into each other while wearing full body protection/Hawaiian shirts in colors not found in nature, three sizes too small/cigarette smoke at the sidewalk café/and painful looking angry sunburns!
I’m just kidding, we love ya’, tourists. come see the Bolsa Chica wetlands. We welcome you and never make fun of you after you leave. Really!
What more could you expect from my very own sunny Kaleefornea! Well maybe not mine.....if it was things would most certainly be different!
*Shakes head*
Wow, more fun from you folks down the hill. I have no clue how this will pan out but I bet our tree hugging friends will find another project to spend money on shortly.
I just wish we could get the LA-Vegas bullet train project going forward. The politics on that are insane, and it's not just the eco guys messing with it either. Everyone wants a piece of the train, which I think is going to kill it. California progress at work! *Sighs*
Bane... ROFLMAO!!
Well, there's still the fishing industry. Lol!
And who exactly is funding the thing? It sounds like the Long Beach/Seal Beach harbors are footing a significant part of the bill. But that's only the implication I gleaned from what I read. No one offered any real numbers.
"Bulldozers to Restore Wetlands in Calif."
Oh! That's why Bolsa Chica beach parking fees are at $10.
"I just wish we could get the LA-Vegas bullet train project going forward."-Gozer
Gozer, I can just picture it: The maiden voyage of the brand-spanking new LA-Vegas bullet train gets derailed by a massive 8.0 earthquake! bwahaha!
I don't get it?
This upsets you because they are rehabilitating wetlands? Or does it upset you because they are using bulldozers to do it?
As far as the comment regarding "Western Man and prime examples of his "inappropriate technology"?"
Who defines what is "inappropriate technology" and why would a bulldozer be such? They are just tools.
Oh right, the oil wells...
One of GW's cronies lose out on this?
Why do conservatives and most Republicans scoff and sneer at anything that hints at protecting the environment?
You falsely assume that you can pave over, cut down and trash the environment at your own peril.
Wade
Gozer,
Yep...we here in Nevada, however, are busily widening the road from Stateline to Vegas...just to keep our guests in the casinos a half hour longer...hey, it adds up...and keeps my taxes low.
Wade,
Just making fun of tree-huggers who are using a bulldozer to save the environment...if you can't see the delicious irony, then you've had a humor-ectomy, as most liberal/left people appear to have...
Now if the environmentalists really wanted the land turned back into its original 'pristine' condition, the water should be restored to its original path and sections of California should be allowed to revert back to desert.
Oh, you were trying to be funny? And nobody laughed?
That's so sad.
Baney, just adding context to your childish "taxdollars" remark.
What part of "voter-approved" don't you understand?
Just making fun of tree-huggers who are using a bulldozer to save the environment...if you can't see the delicious irony, then you've had a humor-ectomy, as most liberal/left people appear to have...
If you can't see the delicious irony, it's because there is no delicious irony. This post is about as childish as they come, mixing one part strawman with one part ignorance. It's not the use of bulldozers per se that an environmentalist might object to. It's the use of a bulldozer to, say, push dirt over a rare and unique natural formation that it took millions of years of wind and water to form on its own. Or, a wetlands in order to build yet another strip mall.
I know, I know, it's much easier to simply post away than think things through ... or even bother to consider the other point of view. In that case ... finely done.
Wade,
Every time the environ-mental-cases get their way the government steps in to screw up another environment. Give it 6 months and I’ll meet you at the Santa Ana River bottom; I’ll point out the mountains of algae and pond scum where the waterfowl used to nest.
Hermie,
The area around Bolsa Chica would actually be coastal chaparral; as of today, the only remaining coastal chaparral is in Devil’s Canyon adjacent to Cal State San Bernardino.
Willem-y,
So, the bond issue is a voter approved tax hike? What part of “tax” don't you understand? Oh, right ... never met a liberal that didn't like a tax on someone else.
Captain,
Geesh - get the joke: it is FUNNY that environmentalist use bulldozers...I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm saying it is funny...you know, "ha ha" funny?
Willem,
Everyone with a sense of humor got the joke - this excludes everyone on the left end of the political spectrum.