"– to crush militant Islam now."-Logic Times

Great! Except for the fact that there's absolutely no difference between "militant Islam" and Islam. Five years after 9/11 and most people in the West don't even understand this fact.

Islam has an agenda of world domination. Islam does not recognize a distinction between religion, politics, or culture-the Islamic religious leader is the political leader. The West must outlaw Islam as a terrorist ideology. All mosques and madrasses should be closed. Any Muslim who does not renounce Islam should be deported. Otherwise, it's just a matter of time before Western cities are subject to their cafes and malls being bombed by Islamic suicide bombers similar to the terrorism Israel constantly experiences.

Freedom,

As I've said before, I don't subscribe to a war between Islam and the West. The whole point of the Bush Administration effort is to prevent such a thing from happening...I'll keep backing this plan until victory, or absolute proof of failure.

"As I've said before, I don't subscribe to a war between Islam and the West."-MN

I know, Mark. But, it's just not reality. As proof, look at Europe. Europe is now Eurabia. The Muslim population is exploding. Politicians are kowtowing to their Muslim constituents; and more and more of those Muslim voters are demanding Sharia Law in place of Western law. France already has de-facto Sharia Law in many of its neighborhoods. The USA should take a lesson from the dire situation in Europe to prevent it from happening here in America.

and the fact that 2008 looks bright for our Presidential politics.

Suprise, suprise, Mark: I actually agree with you.
The Democrats just don't have a charsimatic leader like they had with Clinton or JFK.

Hilary and Kerry don't have it.
Gore, who I respect, lacks it.

Bottom line: the Dems need a charsmatic figure.

Islam is a political movement. Islam is different from what we would normally consider a religion-way different. Islam is different from Christianity or Judaism or many other religions. Islam is a total way of life. I read a quote that sums up Islam quite well: Islam is "a portable theocratic state."

Definition of Islam as a "total way of life": first from a Muslim source and then by two non-Muslim sources:

Muslim American Society
"An Introduction to Islam-The Applied Aspect"
By Dr. Jamal Badawi

How about the application? Are we just talking theology? Since the human is Allah's trustee, it would be inconsistent for a Muslim to separate the various aspects of life, the spiritual and the material, state and religion. We hear a lot about the "five pillars of Islam," but they are often presented as the whole of Islam, many times in a shallow way. They are not the whole of Islam any more than one can claim to have a functional house composed exclusively of five concrete pillars.[..]

What may appear as separate compartments of life simply does not exist for the Muslim. A Muslim does not say, 'This is business and this is moral." Moral, spiritual, economic, social and governmental are inter-related, because everything, including Caesar, belongs to Allah and to Allah alone.
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"Islam is not only a "religion", but a "total way of life"; there is no distinction between the sacred and the secular, the religious leader is the political leader, and every aspect of the individual life should be Islam: Dress, food, and every detail of the family or social life...- All about Islam
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"...Islam is a total way of life, guided first by the Qur’an and then by the Sunna. All areas of life—religious, economic, social, and political—are addressed, and guidelines for the faithful are provided."- culturalorientation.net
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(I'll throw in a comment from an LGF poster): "I should explain. Islam completely mixes the religious and political. There's no distinction. Islam has its own crappy legal system (shari'a), dictator (caliph), and rules of conduct down to how you wipe your butt (left hand only, with stones)."

You know Freedom the more and more I see Islam the more and more I'm starting to agree with you. It's scary!

and the fact that 2008 looks bright for our Presidential politics.

Suprise, suprise, Mark: I actually agree with you.
The Democrats just don't have a charsimatic leader like they had with Clinton or JFK.

Hilary and Kerry don't have it.
Gore, who I respect, lacks it.

Bottom line: the Dems need a charsmatic figure.

"It's scary!"-Gozer

With 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, it's very scary.

The West must outlaw Islam as a terrorist ideology. All mosques and madrasses should be closed. Any Muslim who does not renounce Islam should be deported.

What a disgusting(and not to mention, extremely hateful and bigoted)statement.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this a country where you can practice your religion and belliefs without persecution? Or am I making stuff up?

Not all Muslims or Muslims who practice Islam are terrorists ready to blow us all up, Freedom1.

The West must outlaw Islam as a terrorist ideology. All mosques and madrasses should be closed. Any Muslim who does not renounce Islam should be deported.

What a disgusting(and not to mention, extremely hateful and bigoted)statement.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this a country where you can practice your religion and belliefs without persecution? Or am I making stuff up?

Not all Muslims or Muslims who practice Islam are terrorists ready to blow us all up, Freedom1.

With 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, it's very scary.

What would you do, Freedom1? The old 'kill 'em all first, let God sort 'em all ut later' routine?

Teenage liberal, read Prologue by former Muslim by Ali Sina on his renown blog Faithfreedom.org. Then, get back to me. (There will be a test!) Here's a highlight:

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4).

PIMF: "by former Muslim by Ali Sina"

should read: "by former Muslim Ali Sina"

68% of Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of those who "insult Islam."

NRO: "Many British Muslims Put Islam First"

The recent homegrown plot in Britain to blow up transatlantic flights will intensify the fear that the country's 1.6 million Muslims are rejecting political tolerance and free speech for a violent, radicalized version of Islam. There is a real concern that British Muslims do pose a threat to that country and its traditional values. So how prevalent are such radical views among British Muslims?

Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.

Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."

Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. [..]

The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not. (via CBSnews)

Bottom line: the Dems need a charsmatic figure.

Posted by: teenage liberal

TL seeks style not substance...a true liberal...what an airhead.

Freedom1:

I totally agree with what you are saying and I think it not accurate to toss Islam in with all other religions. Islam IS a political philosophy; Islam IS a set of oppressive laws; Islam IS a demanding set of life rules; and Islam IS out to kill all those who don't happen to bow to it.

Because no other religion seems to be this evil, Islam should not be grouped with them nor should it enjoy the protections afforded to other religions. It must be destroyed wherever it exists - or it will surely destroy us.

"...We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

Bottom line: the Dems need a charsmatic figure.

Posted by: teenage liberal at August 15, 2006 02:25 AM

Don't know about being a charismatic figure but Feingold seems to have a very intelligent & sensible approach, is articulate and would bring back the respect from the international community that was lost during the Bush debacle.

Regardless of who runs for President under the Democratic banner, it has to be better than what passes for an American government now.

Shake it off, conservatives: the whole world is going our way.

Posted by Mark Noonan at August 15, 2006 01:00 AM

when all you have left is open denial, it's easy to understand the motivation behind such an ABJECT statement. fact remains: you ARE the minority. you can stick your fingers in your ears and sing at the top of your lungs in the face of contrarian evidence, but you're doing only that - having a fit while the rest of america takes pity.

Who said this?

"An Angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."

Jeremiah

After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: "We know the race is not to the swift nor the Battle to the Strong. Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?"

Much time has passed since Jefferson arrived for his inauguration. The years and changes accumulate. But the themes of this day he would know: our nation's grand story of courage, and its simple dream of dignity.

We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with His purpose. Yet His purpose is achieved in our duty; and our duty is fulfilled in service to one another.

Never tiring, never yielding, never finishing, we renew that purpose today: to make our country more just and generous; to affirm the dignity of our lives and every life.

This work continues. This story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.

It must be destroyed wherever it exists - or it will surely destroy us.

Posted by: Reverend Scaramonga at August 15, 2006 08:57 AM

So you propose to adopt the exact ideals of what you say you hate and want eradicate. How much sense does that make?

bloviator,

Last time we had a vote, we scored a majority - my belief is that next time we have a vote, we'll also score a majority...it is votes, not polls, that count, bloviator.

Reverend,

I will say this, George Bush in my opinion is Americas Hero of the 21st Century!!
You would too I magine!

What ya say?

Jeremiah

George Bush is not America's hero. George Bush is the Nation's leader. He is doing the job which he was elected to do.

America's hero would probably be the person that risked his or her life to save a multitude of people. Even if that is 'your job' not everyone has the courage to complete it.

I doubt any politician in office right now would have the courage to risk their life. They are used to the pampered lifestyle and currently reside so far away from the average American that they have probably distinguished themselves from the masses.

grosseman,

I was speaking in terms of the GREAT JOB that he has done as President!!

Does his Great job as Presdident of the United States not make him a Hero?

I mean It was just an expression of grattitude!
and Thanks for the Job he has done!

Jeremiah

So you propose to adopt the exact ideals

Well, actually my comment was meant for those who, you know, can actually think, not you. So of course you misinterpret and jump to idiotic conclusions. Oh, and who cares what a Canuck "thinks" anyway?

George Bush is not America's hero.

Sez who? You? Hahahaha!

He is doing the job which he was elected to do.

He's doing much more than that. Perhaps you are missing what he is not doing - like chasing interns around the oval office with his trousers down around his ankles. Or ignoring the mounting terrorist threat like Willie did while he "felt our pain" and attacked and killed the Branch Davidians in Waco and ordered a young Cuban refugee sent back to his Commie masters after he survived a harrowing boat escape that killed his mother. Yet the Left considers that zero a hero.

America's hero would probably be the person that risked his or her life to save a multitude of people.

His actions in Iraq have save untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqis from Saddam. And free of the sanctions, who knows what else Saddam would have done? He had already demonstrated that he could hit Israel with his missiles and was paying suicide bombers money to kill Israelis. Much the same can be said about the multitudes of people no longer being executed in soccer stadiums in Afghanistan now that the Taliban has been toppled. And after a long string of terrorist attacks on America, President Bush's administration has so far prevented any more of them on US soil. How many lives has that saved? President Bush is a target wherever he goes. Not only does the Muslim world want him dead, but many Democrats would like to see bad things come his way as well. He takes plenty of risks every day. JFK did. Abe Lincoln did.

I doubt any politician in office right now would have the courage to risk their life.

Like I said, the President's life is ALWAYS in danger. Ever wonder why they protect him with the US Secret Service?

They are used to the pampered lifestyle and currently reside so far away from the average American that they have probably distinguished themselves from the masses.

That smacks of envy. But if you walked a mile in his shoes, you'd gladly go back to your obscure little "average" world.

"Muslims...or the Borg? Not much of a difference is there...." Posted by: Macker

No. But at least the Borg had style.
:}

"It must be destroyed wherever it exists - or it will surely destroy us." by: Reverend Scaramonga

Yes, and they are at it right now Britain. In the wake of the foiled terror plot to blow up 10 jetliners, UK Muslims are again trying to institute Sharia Law in Britain as well as asking for special Muslim holidays. Outrageous! Muslims call for special bank holidays

Daily Mail: Muslim leaders summoned to talks with the Government on tackling extremism in their midst called for public holidays to mark their religious festivals.

The Whitehall meeting was set up in response to last week’s airline bomb plot discovery.

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly had prepared an uncompromising message on the need to tackle dangerous radicalism.

But, in what she admitted were ‘sharp’ exchanges, some senior Muslim figures turned the tables yesterday and made a series of demands which also included the introduction of Sharia law for family matters.

Dr Syed Aziz Pasha, secretary general of the Union of Muslim Organisations of the UK and Ireland, said: ‘We told her if you give us religious rights, we will be in a better position to convince young people that they are being treated equally along with other citizens.’
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That last statement sounded like a threat to me. Do this or else....

Of course it is a threat Freedom. Now, the Brittish need to stand up to the Moslems and say "We do not give other religions special treatment, why should we do that for your group?"