Why is it that when Mel Gibson says anti-Semitic comments while
Being arrested under DUI charges is taken as a bases for the MSM
To take pot shots at both Mr. Gibson and the Catholic Church but
When the President of Iran calls for the total destruction of the
Nation of Israel not only are his comments mostly ignored but
The MSM sends Mike Wallace to Tehran for an exclusive interview?

My only guess is that the Mr. Gibson’s fans and followers are not
Willing to strap a vest full of pipe-bombs on their chest and blow
Other people up… In other words, Mel Gibson is a safe target
For the MSM.

So Mark, you're pissed off that the MSN's making fun of your religion?

Excuse me while I fetch the world's smallest violin.

*excuses himself for computer to fetch world's smallest violin from bedroom*

You are aware that your religion gets trashed on a daily basis, right? So why is this such a big shock to you?

Trey Parker and Matt Stone trash Christianity every chance they get. Are they considered anti-Catholic in your eyes?

Mark, as long as religion is a topic of discussion, there will always be people who will make fun of it. In tis case, cartoonists get the best of both worlds: they get to criticize religion and they get to dick with a celebrity who happened to say something really stupid and mean-spirited.

So to be honest, Mark: quit you're whining, 'ya crybaby.

That was supposed to be 'from', not for.
Bad habbit of mine.

Hey teenie, go away, you need to grow up. You also seem to need typing lessons this time. Did you even bother to read what you were posting?

TL,
Oh, I think you have more bad habits than you are owning up to! Mark is not "whining", teenagers do that. What he is trying to assert, I believe, is that there is a vile hypocrisy in the media when it comes to it's reporting of religion...especially those they don't understand. I attended Catholic schools for 12 years, 13 including Kindergarten. Never once was I taught any type of antisemetic views, in fact we went to Temple's, Mosques and other religious institutions to garner a further understanding of different spiritual beliefs. I remember the usual remarks about Catholiscm, that we idol worshipped, jokes about our patron Saints etc..many directed at the Pope. Some believed he was more to us than a spiritual leader. All of these assumptions were incorrect! In fact in the Catholic religion you are given the chance, in your adolescence, to choose if you wish to continue in your studies of the Catholic religion. It is called Confirmation. I would hazard a quess that the children of radical Islam are not given the choice, instead they are given a semtex belt. Wise up TL, it'll benefit you in the near future.

So to be honest, Mark: quit you're whining, 'ya crybaby.

It is stupid, immature chumps like you who give atheism a bad name. A true atheist - what you seem to hope someday to become - does not feel threatened by or intimidated by people of faith. They are tolerant of others' beliefs even if they don't subscribe to them. Your idiotic yammering is little different than the radical Muslim "hate infidels" rhetoric our MSM treats us to every day.

You insult all religious people with your immature remarks and sniping and speaking as an atheist (a true one), you insult me as well. Grow up you uninformed, immature punk. You shame yourself with your intolerance and hypocrisy.

Best for you to keep your pie hole shut until you gain a little life experience and conquer your adolescent fears about religion. It will spare us the inane nonsense you spew forth and it will allow you to retain at least one shred of credibility.

Personal insults aside, the strict authoritarian Nun has been a meme since Bing Crosby. It's certainly as legit as Oliphant drawing a black man covered in gold necklaces.

So... you are convicting the MSM of anti-Catholicism after reading one cartoon (which, I admit, was out of line and inappropriate) that admittedly portrays the opinion of one cartoonist?

Also, calling Mel a Catholic may be a bit of a misnomer (From http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrgibson1.htm)

In the interview with Il Giornale he said: "I believe in God. My love of religion was given to me by my father." Mel Gibson allegedly shares many beliefs with his father, Hutton. The elder Gibson "is an outspoken critic of the Catholic Church and a vocal adherent of the 'sedevacantist' movement, so called from the Latin phrase meaning 'empty seat'..." 2 The group is a subset of the Catholic Traditionalist movement, and has a total membership of only a few thousand adherents. They deviate from the Roman Catholic church in some fundamental ways. They believe: bullet That the office of pope in the Roman Catholic Church is currently vacant. bullet That every pope since 1960 has been spurious. *Many of the reforms of the Vatican II council (1962 to 1965) are heretical. *The mass is to be conducted in Latin, not in the native language of the people. *Mary is regarded as a co-redemptrix and mediatrix, sharing these powers with Jesus Christ.

About the other cartoons you mentioned... most of them were pretty funny.

However, I think that you are misreading the Christian references. To portray a Christian as a Christian is not an insult to all Christians, even if the Christian in question is portrayed in a negative light.

Then again people on this site tend to like to generalize. The actions of Ms. Sheehan or Mr. Moore are immediately used as an indictment of all liberals (or people who are center-left), so why not assume that other people do the same?

Georgia,

You're way out of it - TL has the excuse of being a kid who just doesn't know any better, but what is your excuse?

The picture is of the Church ENFORCING anti-Semitism upon the young - THAT is the insult. The purpose the cartoon is that same as those books which slander Pius XII vis a vis the Nazis...they are an attempt to make out that the Catholic church is a wicked organization.

I don't recall, even once, a priest or nun saying one unkind word about Jews or, indeed, about people who subscribe to any other faith. I don't know how much you want to believe me, but I'm asserting here that we Catholics are not anti-Semitic, that the Church doesn't preach anti-Semitism and that any attempt to make out that we do is evidence of anti-Catholic bigotry.

TL,

Trash my religion all you want - it is, as I said, impervious to such things...but what we have here is clear evidence of anti-Catholic bigotry, and it is presented in the MSM with no problem at all...

Mark-

I did say that the cartoon that you specifically cited was out of line...

did you read the whole post?

The part that I think that got it confused with was when I was referencing the other cartoons you mentioned.

First of all, Mel is not a Roman Catholic. He is a member of a schismatic group that left after Vatican II. Part of the reason for leaving was the council's explicit statements exhonorating the Jews of any collective guilt over the death of Christ. According to the Roman Catholic church, which is the only real catholic church historically--all others have borrowed the name--all people are guilty of Christ's death as a result of their sins. The Catechism of the Catholic church explicitly calls anti-Semitism a mortal sin. Also, I have never heard a Catholic theology teacher or a nun or priest ever teach or say anything negative about Jews. This is what I find offensive about Oliphant's charicature of Catholicism.

I think that what Mel said what reprehensible, but not worthy of all the attention it has gotten. I will pray for his recovery as any sort of addiction is a horrible thing. But I am tired of people linking him to the Catholic Church (i.e., Roman Catholic Church) when he is in fact a member of a sect that is not under the Pope and therefore not really a Catholic, but rather--according to the Church--a schismatic.

Georgia,

Your assertion that I'm convicting the MSM of anti-Catholicism on the basis of one cartoon indicates that you don't believe the cartoon is anti-Catholic, even if you say it is out of line.

It is, of course, just one of 10,000 anti-Catholic references just in the past 20 years in the MSM - it is everywhere and all the time. Additionally, it is not just "out of line": it is outside any bounds of rational discourse. It is an evil deed, and only anti-Catholicism can explain why this evil was permitted to appear in the MSM.

The part that I think that got it confused

There should be no confusion. Mark observed a cartoon that implied that Catholics force their students into anti-Semitic positions. This is not the case but it is an accepted meme and wildly proliferated by MSM outlets and liberals who reserve a special kind of hatred for Catholics. I was raised a Catholic in my youth and remember nothing about hating Jews being taught. It is a myth. The question is why does the Left and the MSM (same thing really) continue to spread this lie?

The MSM is a vast evil army of bad intentions to undermine, slander and insult Christianity in any way they can, that's just how they work, they want nothing to do with God!!

But a word of encouragement would be as follows!!

For the Christian there is no battle! for it is Gods and His alone!!

Go out and face them tomorrow and the Lord will be with you!!

Give thanks to the Lord, for His love endures forever!!

ISAIAH 58:1

""Shout it aloud, do not hold back.
Raise your voice like a trumpet.
Declare to my people their rebellion, and to the house of Jacob their sins.""

Jeremiah

So how exactly does this one anti-religion cartoon differ from the dozen anti-religion cartoons published by the Danish paper?

Sure, B4B hasn't gone ape over those cartoons like Malkin has, campaigning at every opportunity to get them out in the name of "free speech" or exposing the "true nature" of islam.

But I sense a level of hypocrisy.

For example, say some christian blew up a government building in Ohio. Does that give anyone the right TO STOP someone publishing a cartoon of the Christ with a bomb in his headgear?

To non-christians, used to seeing muslims, jews and christians kill each other, it might be a funny cartoon.

Casual,

If some sort of extremist Christian group blew up a building, then it would not be unfair comment - for a non-Christian - to portray Jesus unflatteringly in a cartoon about it...but what I'm upset about here isn't someone taking exception to the Christian religion, but spreading lies about the Catholic Church. That is the problem.

Let's all go riot and attack every newspaper that put out these vile comics!

*Shakes his head*

Seriously though, it's been considered "OK" to make fun of Christinaity and Cathlics in the media for years. Is it a good thing? Not really, but as you say Mark the religion is safe from these attacks. It's old enough to take it.

The MSM is a vast evil army of bad intentions to undermine, slander and insult Christianity in any way they can, that's just how they work, they want nothing to do with God!!

Wow.

Mark,

Let me know if I mis-interpreted your post!

Because sometimes I don't quite understand the base of the idea behind the reviews!,. (The answer that you are looking for)...........

Anyways........I hope it helps!!

Jeremiah

Jeremiah,

Not at all - the anti-Catholicism, just like the growing anti-evangelicalism, is all part of that so-called myth of the War Against Religion being waged relentlessly by the cultural elite. What is really rather odd is that Mel Gibson was, justly, hit hard for his anti-Semitism...meanwhile, the MSM, in its coverage of Israel, moves ever closer to an overtly anti-Semitic position...

Gozer,

Indeed...but I just wish for once that the MSM and its liberal/left adherents would at least admit their biases and bigotries...

Mark,

Then the way I take it, the MSM is siding more with the terrorists, and excusing the terrorists actions, which is no surprise.....

Jeremiah

Noonan:
--I have to agree with you that the cartoon of the nun beating Mel was out of line. But in our free society, it is allowed and luckily we don't have screaming mobs demanding death to the artist. We are better than that. But you still have the right to decry it. Perhaps the infamous Father Coughlin is in part responsible for the undeserved reputation of the Catholic Church teaching anti-semitism, this leading to the stereotypical cartoon in question.
--I enjoyed the other cartoons and I thank you for the link to the CartoonIndex, it is in my Favourites now.

Here's another anti-Semitic cartoon from Sacramento. It doesn't reference Catholics, but is just as disgusting. I don't remember all the cartoons about the head-choppers and splodeydopes who blew themselves up amidst hundreds of women and children. I guess the MSM doesn't want to offend anyone, right?

...

People who know Mel say he has never sounded as if he was anti-Jewish. As for his tirade---

I've known several drunks who were just mean drunks. When they drank, they became aggressive and belligerent, and tended to look for a fight. At the very least, they would try to push other peoples' buttons.

If Mel is this kind of drunk, which seems to be in line with things I have read and heard over the years, it would be very consistent of him to try to be offensive and obnoxious to the arresting policemen. And if for some reason he thought one of them might be Jewish, it would be even more consistent with that kind of pattern. So if he has not expressed anti-Jewish sentiments in the past, I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the bandwagon and call him an anti-Semite.

The cartoon was clearly anti-Catholic, and not only an attack on the Church but one which depended on a complete lie to do so. I also attended Catholic school and was always taught respect for other religions. I never once heard a negative word about Jews.

But in today's anti-religion atmosphere, it is OK to poke fun at any Christian religion. The anti-Christian thing is so out of the closet, so blatant and in-your-face, I wonder that the Libs even bother to try to deny it any more.

And political cartoons don't seem to feel any need to contain any truth whatsoever---it's like the cartoonists think they get a free ride just because they draw supposedly funny characters saying supposedly funny things.

Canuck,

Not one in a thousand MSMers working today have ever heard of Father Coughlin - who was silenced by the Catholic Church 64 years ago (not exactly yesterday, huh?). I don't buy that Coughlin provides anyone any excuse to think that the Church as an institution or the membership of the Church in any way, shape or form encourages anti-Semitism.

While I don’t think very highly of the Catholic Church, I give the church credit for changing its views regarding Jews and acknowledging the crimes committed against the Jewish people and others throughout its history. If the church would have condemned the crimes its priests committed against children instead of trying to cover them up and if the church would stop trying to impose its religion on people of other faiths, I would think much more highly of it.

Brian,

You're a bit behind the times - you might want to, oh, go to some Catholic websites and check out the status of the things you complain about before you comment further upon them.

RE: Anti-Catholicism in the MSM

It's ubiquitous. It's one manifestation of evil. Evil is really on the rise, lately.

“RE: Anti-Catholicism in the MSM
It's ubiquitous. It's one manifestation of evil. Evil is really on the rise, lately. “
Posted by: Freedom1 at August 14, 2006 03:14 AM

Actually Freedom1, evil is not on the rise so much as it has come into full view without lurking in the shadows and back alleys. It is so rampantly visible that it is now impossible to hide. Many good people have always recognized it while ignorant people refuse to acknowledge it or refuse to acknowledge it for what it is.

Evil is a force that constantly plants it’s lies and corruption. If we are not diligent in exposing this, it will take over the society much like weeds in a lawn.

Noonan:
--You discount the legacy of Father Coughlin, in my humble opinion. The MSM is literate and historically informed if nothing else. Maybe his name is lost in the mists of time for many but his work lives on is some small way.

Posted by: DM at August 14, 2006 10:11 AM

You're right, DM.