I have a comment for the ACLU, quit being foolish and helping the terrorists. We don't want people with bombs on the subway!

Wah!!! Civil liberties trampled once again!!!

/sarcasm off/

So easily you give up your civil liberties. Nothing more than a sarcastic "Wah..."

Like a frog in a pot of water, as the saying goes...

Fools...

Just for kicks, I'm going to point out that one of the judges on the 3-judge panel was appointed by President Clinton. Another was appointed by Carter. The third was in fact nominated by a Republican, President Nixon.

While you may be right that judges matter, it appears that in this case their party affiliation did not. Try again next time.

Wah! How can I get these chains off? They're restricting my golf swing?

Wah!!! War

"The program has resulted in five arrests _ not for terrorism, but for drug possession, disorderly conduct and other minor charges."
Associated Press | July 10, 2006
By TOM HAYS

Speaking as a person who lives in NYC and takes the subway everyday I'm glad that we've made our subway safe from a couple of drug addicts and an person with a "conduct" problem. Hey and it only cost us our 4th Amendment rights. (smile) :-)
(sarcasm off)

Wow, for once the courts have not put the American public at risk.......Liberals will do everything to put us at risk.......This is a win for freedom....Remember the old quote? "One who has nothing to hide, hides nothing at all."

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"Just for kicks, I'm going to point out that one of the judges on the 3-judge panel was appointed by President Clinton. Another was appointed by Carter. "

Problem being going forwad, is that the ACLU ( who is fighting this ) has toooooooooo many Ruth Bader Ginsburg ( ex- ACLU leader) types in their midst, that would/could be appointed by a leftist president.

Ain't going to happen wtih a GOP at the helm

election's matter

Seriously. Speaking as a fellow New Yorker, can people from Cincinnati please stop talking about how personally concerned they are about being blown up on a subway?

*Madrid 3/11 train bombings*

On March 11, 2004 in Madrid Spain, Muslim terrorists detonated 10 bombs concealed in backpacks aboard 4 commuter trains at the height of rush hour. 192 people were killed. 2,050 people were injured.

Leftorium,

When people are searched before they board airplanes, do you believe their 4th Amendment rights are being violated?

Congratulations on avoiding the topic.
Freeedom1 (I use that name with disgust)
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freedom1 Don't even begin to tell me what you think you know, I only want real honest New Yorkers like myself to answer this this thread.

Putting your bag through an x-ray scan is tremendously different than you being arbitrarily stopped and having your bag searched through by a police officer. The government's wish for a search has its limits. Try living here in NYC then tell me they are the same. You have no idea.

I haven’t been searched (n the subway) myself but you know who I’ve seen being search? African Americans, Hispanics and Muslims. Those pictures you see of whites opening their bags for cops are just publicity shots. More often than not those cops are just sitting 3 at a fold out desk just filling space. When they do anything it's targeted at New York's emigrant population. Unless you live here Freedom, or for that matter anyone else, you have no credibility on this issue in my opinion. It's a useless program and ultimately a danger to our liberties.

Congratulations on avoiding the topic.
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freedom1 Don't even begin to tell me what you think you know, I only want real honest New Yorkers like myself to answer this this thread.

Putting your bag through an x-ray scan is tremendously different than you being arbitrarily stopped and having your bag searched through by a police officer. The government's wish for a search has its limits. Try living here in NYC then tell me they are the same. You have no idea.

I haven’t been searched (n the subway) myself but you know who I’ve seen being search over and over agian? African Americans, Hispanics and Muslims. Those pictures you see of whites opening their bags for cops are just publicity shots. More often than not those cops are just sitting 3 at a fold out desk just filling space. When they do anything it's targeted at New York's emigrant population. Unless you live here Freedom, or for that matter anyone else, you have no credibility on this issue in my opinion. It's a useless program and ultimately a danger to our liberties.

"I only want real honest New Yorkers like myself to answer this this thread."

So, all those thousands upon thousands of visitor's to NYC are what? just cannon fodder?

Thanks for your offer, but pass.

I will go with what the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says. Time to open that backpack and take it like a man

Time to open that backpack and take it like a man

But that means the libbies will have to show their wadded-up panties and other latex items to the nice policeman and he might laugh at them. That's what founders were trying to avoid when they wrote that bit about search and seizure in the Constitution doncha know?

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"So, all those thousands upon thousands of visitor's to NYC are what? just cannon fodder?"-paul

Aren't you being just a little dramatic here? If you want a false sense of security and safety then stay in your little town. New York isn't a place for the timid like you Paul.

"I will go with what the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says."

Well let's examine that decission for a second. It was a political C Y A move by those judges. They know as do most New Yorkers that the program is totally unconstitutional and ineffective but do they want to be labeled as the ones who removed it when another terrorist attack eventually comes here. NO!!! What they did was insulate themselves from blame pure and simple.
This desission will eventually be overturned by a higher court on 4th Amendment grounds most likely.
Now on to the effectiveness of the program. No one here has commented on that. Not one arrest. NADA A ONE. What few arrests have occurred ,mostly drug related and small time at that, are likely to be overturned on Constitutional grounds. As will, although I'm 99.99999% sure there will never be an arrest on terrorism related charges, those charges will not stand muster either. When that happens then you'll come back here and complain again about how those liberal New York judges are letting the terrorist kill us.

Oh but I forgot, we New Yorkers have to give up our rights to keep up the appearence that New York is a safe place for people like Paul who want to come here and shop in the big fancy Old Navy store. Then he can go back home with his oversized T-shirt that has an American flag blazing across his chest and say to all his friends" Yea I know it's just ur'ssssss but I got mine in NEUW YOARK." ohhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhh

Now on to the effectiveness of the program

How many bombings have there been on the Subway since 9/11? I have been up to New York many a time, spent 30 days in a row, working at a packaging plant on Bath street. That is one crappy city. folks are rude, dirty, smell downright terrible, but boy can they hang tennis shoes from just about anywhere.

Pizza was awesome, so was the Greek food. Buildings there got rats as big as cats, hell the security guards had names for most of them, nice pets. Here in fly-over country we kind of like cats and dogs and maybe even a horse.

In the meantime, if you get stopped just smile when they inspect your bags. My guess is that the SCOTUS will allow the searches so will 75% of the rest of us.

But, that is just a guess

You know what just galls me? The ACLU is on our side you maroons. They help protect and battle for the civil rights of all. Get it? ALL. Not just the civil rights you think are allowable. But the civil rights guaranteed us by the constitution. Yes, sometimes murderers get represented. Justice will, and should, prevail. Tell me oh wise ones, is there any point when you will say enough erosion? What will it take? You must see the logic in protecting even the toughest to understand civil rights. Then again, most of the posters here are fat middle aged white men who grew up not always with a spoon in the mouth, but advantaged enough to take our civil rights for granted. Wise up. Buffoons.

"How many bombings have there been on the Subway since 9/11?"

How many terrorists have been captured with this program? How many plots thwarted by bag searches?

You have to either say I don't know or zero because that's exactly what this program has produced.

I know this program isn't working because the number of people riding the subway every day is about 4.5 million. The odds of a cop randomly finding a bomb in someone’s bag with those numbers are astronomical at best.

"In the meantime, if you get stopped just smile when they inspect your bags."

No this it what you should do.

http://www.flexyourrights.org/subway

As for the SCOTUS I would be too sure about them singing off on this if it gets to them. This is a classic example of 4th Amendment infringement.

*July 11, 2006 Mumbai train bombings*

On July 11, 2006 seven bomb blasts rocked trains on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai, India. 207 people were murdered and over 700 were injured in the explosions.

Gotcha, Leftorium. Signed, Freedom1

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Thought I'd add this, (via LGF)NYC Train Plotter Attended Canadian University

CTV.ca: "Montreal’s Concordia University has confirmed that the Lebanese man accused of masterminding a terrorist plot to bomb New York transit tunnels..."

"...using backpacks on New York subways to carry explosive devices, which would be used to attack the transit system."

Freedom1-

"Gotcha" ??????????????

How many terrorist have been captured using this bag search program in the NYC subway system?

I think the number is - 0

Gotcha Freedom1

(_!_)

You are completely irrational, Leftorium, not to mention suicidal. Gotcha, again, Leftorium. Signed Freedom1

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Freedom1-
So I can take it ,your failure to address my assertion, is because you actually agree with me that program is not only unconstitutional but also completely ineffective.

The only irrational one here is you. Your championing a program that, by it's own admittion, is the tactical equivalent of standing before a crowd of thousands, taking a rock and throwing it in the air, then counting on it hitting the guilty party. The only trouble with your approach is, doing that, you tend to hit mostly the non-guilty or as in this case only the non-guilty.

Sounds like more of the George Bush wishingful thinking approach to problems.

Freedom1-
So I can take it ,your failure to address my assertion, is because you actually agree with me that program is not only unconstitutional but also completely ineffective.

The only irrational one here is you. Your championing a program that, by it's own admittion, is the tactical equivalent of standing before a crowd of thousands, taking a rock and throwing it in the air, then counting on it hitting the guilty party. The only trouble with your approach is, doing that, you tend to hit mostly the non-guilty or as in this case only the non-guilty.

Sounds like more of the George Bush wishingful thinking approach to problems.