We non-Moslems can't get them to stop - only Moslems can.

Uh huh.

So what have you done about the Klu Klux Klan? They're Christian Americans so by you're "logic" only other Christian Americans can do something about them.

While you're at it take care of the Army of God freaks too.

This feigned outrage is unwarranted and ironically absurd.

They are offended by words labeling the terrorists, but they don't seem to be upset that 24 of thier brothers were plotting to blow up airplanes and kill innocent people.

What's wrong with this picture?

"rather than complain about accurate, if unflattering, descriptions, why don't you get busy cleaning your own house?" --mark noonan

mark you hit the nail on the head with this one. look i was talking with one of my clients this morning. he's a gay man, and a liberal. and what he said shocked the hell out of me.

he said that these terrorist are pissing him off. if the moslem people don't step up and start taking their religion back from these a-holes then we should just nuke the entire place. had this plot went down it would have been far worse than 9/11.

this guy hates bush and the entire administration. but he isn't blaming them. he's advocating for even an more serious offense.

the first step is for many moslem leaders to come out in public and denounce these actions. the second step is for them to step up and try to take back their religion. if islam is truely a religion of peace, then they better do something about it or the real muslims will become lummped into the same group as the ISLAMOFASCISTS!

This is just laziness, really. If someone got angry at a bunch of Christian fascists, I don't see that as a reason to blame all Christians, just the fascist ones. I would want someone to make that distinction to separate Christians who don't act crazy, and Christians who do.

Until the Muslimes start policing their own and condemning the actions of the many fascists in their own communities, I'm afraid that I can see a day when it will be neccessary to outlaw Islam and round them all up into camps.

You don't see Christians or Jews or Budhists (sp?) or Hindus or Athiests strapping bombs to their bodies or plotting to blow up airplanes, do you?

I am pleased that Mr. Bush has finally identified the enemy. This will move the debate forward. Europeans were afraid to "call a spade a spade".
In the U.S. we have been asking "Where are the good Muslims?" By identifying the enemy as the "Islamic fascists", perhaps the good Muslims can emerge and help with the problem. We have to give the good Muslims a place on our side. by defining the enemy, we can more clearly see it. I am also thankful that by speaking in these terms, Mr. Bush shows that he completely understands the nature of the challenge to democracy and Western civilization.

Awwww, did Bush hurt somebody's feelings? Poor poor babies.

Traverse is correct. It's about time Bush identified the enemy. We could all use whatever cajone-enhancing substance he just got a hold of.

"So what have you done about the Klu Klux Klan?"

When was the last time the KKK blew up a major building?
Sent a suicide bomber to blow up women and children?
Cut off someones head while chanting God is Great?
Hijacked an airliner?
Launched rockets into a neighboring country?
etc..etc...etc

You spout moral equivalencies of the most inane, simple-minded and ignorant kind...I'll bet your a Dim arent you. Is that what passes for intellengent debate in your circles?

With your obvious limited intellect you dont understand that the KKK has been culturally neutered by the vast MAJORITY of christians.

You spout moral equivalencies of the most inane, simple-minded and ignorant kind

Zoot, this is on page 17 of their 72-year-old playbook. It's a lynch pin in their overall political strategy. Kinda sad, huh?

BTW, the commentor's name links to a Blog called "Hairy Fish Nuts" which pretty much says it all, heh. And he/she describes him/herself as a "proud member of the reality-based community since 2004". Must be an alternative universe based reality.

How 'bout this label: freaking murdering cowards who hide behind their women and children!

This is one area where I wholeheartedly agree. The general silence of the 'mainstream' Moslem community speaks volumes. The KKK analogy was actually good because it presented a case where it could be pointed out (by Zoot) how the majority can eventually marginalize the violent radical fringe of their society if they choose to do so.

Salvage,

Yes, the KKK committed atrocities, not generally however, in the name of religion. They were as evil and sinister as what's happening now, but there is one major difference. The majority of Americans were completely repulsed by their actions and, correct me if I'm wrong, there hasn't been a lynching in this country in what 50 years? The KKK was so ostracized that as a organization it was for all intents and purposes disbanded. Is there still racism in this country? Of course there is, but it's a long way from what it once was.

I truly believe if Muslims started to ostracize the radicals who are trying to hijack their great religion, that we might start to see an end to some of the radicalism that is threatening the world. More Imams have to stand up to this group of thugs and tell them that this is not the what the Koran or Islam teaches.

Give me a break. WTF are we suppose to call them? These radicals say they are doing these things IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. It is THEM who are causing an entire relgion to look bad. It is THEM who are bringing it down. They continually call upon ALL MUSLIMS to stand up against Christians and Jews.

I agree. They need to clean their own house, before telling others how to clean.

Ridiculous.

"not generally however, in the name of religion"

The KKK's motives never involved christianity. The KKK not unlike neo-nazis espoused the views of Hitler. Hitler espoused the views of Darwin and his cousin Sir Francis Galton. Both Darwin and Galton believed the black race to be inferior in fact Hitler derived his hunger to exterminate the jewish people from his belief in the pseudo-science of Eugenics(Galton). As you can see none of these have any basis in christianity.

"not generally however, in the name of religion"

The KKK's motives never involved christianity. The KKK not unlike neo-nazis espoused the views of Hitler. Hitler espoused the views of Darwin and his cousin Sir Francis Galton. Both Darwin and Galton believed the black race to be inferior in fact Hitler derived his hunger to exterminate the jewish people from his belief in the pseudo-science of Eugenics(Galton). As you can see none of these have any basis in christianity.

sorry for the repeated posts. I seemed to be having a problem.

The problem I have and what concerns me the most about the islamic community is their refusal to repudiate the actions of the extremist sect of their religion. The religious leaders and organizations like CAIR act as nothing but fronts for those that want to kill us. Until they standup and renounce these terrorists, we should hold them complicit in any further bloodshed.

You don't see Christians or Jews or Budhists (sp?) or Hindus or Athiests strapping bombs to their bodies or plotting to blow up airplanes, do you?

Nope, just Islamofascists. And I don't care about CAIR.

How 'bout this label: freaking murdering cowards who hide behind their women and children!
Excellent label, but quite a mouthful. We'll call them "FMC's." War

It's too bad that CAIR and other Moslems "feel hurt and offended" by what Americans and Bush(finally came out and said) are feeling. It IS TIME TO LAY ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE:

IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN/WOMEN ARE DOING BY HIJACKING YOUR RELIGION, AND WANT TO "KILL ALL WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN ALLAH", THEN YOU SHOULD STAND UP AGAINST THE ONES WHO GIVE YOUR PEOPLE A BAD NAME. YOU DON'T COME OUT INTO THE PUBLIC, AND DENOUNCE WHAT THESE RADICAL ISLAMOFASCISTS HAVE DONE IN KILLING INNOCENTS, AND THERE, "WE AS AMERICANS BEGIN TO DOUBT WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK KILLING IS OKAY"

COME OUT PUBLICLY AND "DENOUNCE" THIS KILLING OF AMERICANS/CHRISTIANS, WHO DO NOT KEEP YOU FROM YOUR RELIGION, AS YOUR RELIGION DOES NOT GIVE WAY TO FREEDOM OF "ALL RELIGIONS"

WE ARE TIRED OF OUR POLITICIANS WHO PANDER TO YOUR GROUPS, BY THE SICKENING WAY THEY TRY TO BE SO POLITICALLY CORRECT. YOU "DO NOT" STAND UP TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS AGAINST US, BUT YOU ARE OFFENDED, BY THE FACT, THAT WE DO NOT WANT
AMERICANS KILLED? SPEAK UP PEOPLE-THAT IS, IF YOU THINK IT IS WRONG FOR ISLAMOFASCISTS TO TRY TO KILL US. IF NOT, THEN THERE WILL BE PREJUDICE
AGAINST YOU, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

CAIR needs to stand up to the bullies within their own community. If they did that, then maybe the labels put on the terrorists (FMC is a good one) by the people they are attacking or threatening to attack, would not be so upsetting.

My advise to CAIR and other supposedly "good" Islamic organizations - Start denouncing the terrorists and their actions, then you will have relevance to the ongoing discussions.

Whats wrong with calling it what it is? I am proud to have a leader in our country who is not afraid to say exactly what is happening. I.E

"a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

This is what it is! This is what we are up against!
Wake up America! That also includes Muslim Americans!

If CAIR really wishes to stop this, then left them start rooting out the despots from within their midsts that are causing the problems. We already know not every Muslim is a terrorist. When they starting pointing out which ones are, I'll care about what CAIR says.

Islam is a violent, murderous, CULT.

There are NO "good muslems"
only different levels of the violence they are willing to perpertrate is what differentates them from one another.

It is a sick physopathic demonic "religion" period.

If CAIR really represents the real Islam (and I know the reality) why are they not responding to http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768
It is a clear reminder that terrorists do not respond to reason, discussion or arbitration. They are laughing at the apathy of the left.

I'll try this again!

kjs says:

"CAIR needs to stand up to the bullies within their own community."

The problem, k, is that they ARE the bully within their own community. CAIR is a radical group which has steadfastly refused to decry terrorist attacks or admit that Israel has a right to survive.

But to the issue of what to call the Muslim terrorists--

I've been saying for a couple of years now that we should merely identify the political movement that calls itself Islam as "secular Islam" and the religious group that claims Islam is really a religion of peace as simply "Islam".

Now, think about it. What if every news cast referred to the latest attack as one by "secular Islam" or "secular Muslims"? When the outrage came out, it could be explained by the objections of moderate Muslims themselves, those who claim to belong to a religion of peace, and who point out the parts of the Koran that decry violence against innocents. It would create a perfect opportunity to repeatedly point out the peaceful teachings of the Koran.

But more to the point, over time it would have two effects.

One would be to curtail recruitment of young terrorists. Now they are attracted by the idea of martyrdom, but one can't really be a religious martyr if one dies in a secular action.

And the other would be, over a period of many years, to force Muslims to take sides. Each and every Muslim would have to choose which aspect of Islam he wanted----the peaceful religious side or the violent murderous secular side.

It may be a subtle distinction right now, but I think that it would end up being a significant one.

The other benefit would be to remove American protections, which cover the right to worship and freedom of religion, from what is essentially a political movement anyway. This would allow us to deal with radical Islam as what it is, and not allow it to hide behind the veils of religion. Once any mosque promoted or tolerated any violent action, it would remove itself from the protections of religious freedom and move over into the area of political movements, or 'secular Islam'.

And it would remove the bugaboo of Hitler from the mix.

salvage does an excellent job of pointing out the vacuity of what passes for thought on the Left.