The way I'm seeing things lately is that islamofacism is like a termite colony and we're Terminix. The only problem is that we can now consider the international community the federal laws for chemical usage. We can't use bait stations, bug bombs or raid and we can only squash them one by one or the feds get mad. All the while they're eating our house.

Fox News has reported that liquid chemical devices were to be smuggled in handbags aboard the airplanes.

Can we have an open and honest discussion in the MSM about the threat of Islam, now?

Michelle Malkin is reporting about an anti-terror bust in Dearborn, Michigan.

Freedom,

Not a chance of that - the MSM just doesn't want to hear it.

Sky News is reporting that 20 suspects, mainly British Muslims, have been arrested. Two suspects are still at large. American airline carriers were apparently targeted.

I can't wait to hear the liberal and lefty spin on this. I wonder what they are going to say. That we did not bend over low enough for the IslamoNutJobs? That we did not appease them enough? That we did not shroud our women in burqas? That we did not perform female genitalia mutilation on our women?

Come on, liberals and lefties, you were crying "Where's the terrorist threats?" What you got to say now?

Just wait. $20 says they will say this is all Bush's fault.

Ohhh Yoouuuhooo...Moonbats...

Are you listening??? Do you get it yet???

I think now is a good time to mention the following story. The UK has a huge Muslim problem. According to an opinion poll published at the News.Scotsman.com on Mon 7 Aug 2006...

7/7 bombings 'justified' say a quarter of British Muslims

ALMOST a quarter of British Muslims say the 7/7 bombings can be justified because of the Government’s support for the war on terror, according to an opinion poll.

And nearly half of those polled, or 45 per cent, believe the 9/11 attacks on New York were a conspiracy between the United States and Israel. The survey, for a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary to be screened tonight, found Muslims under 24 were twice as likely to justify the 7/7 attacks as those aged over 45. It found 24 per cent either agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings were justified, although 48 per cent said they “strongly disagreed”.

A third of those questioned said they would rather live under Sharia law in the UK than British law.

"This is the enemy - and he will not stop until he has killed or enslaved us all. No, really: I'm not kidding"

--'Seriously guys, I'm not kidding this time, it says so right here in this book, "Conservative Comebacks to Reality"'

Someone pat the POLICE [y'know the guys who investigate crimes] on the back for this one, and now breath a sigh of relief that we know that all the blowharding and handwringing over super-secret spying programs being brought to the publics' attention doesn't really stop the investigators from doing their job to protect us; Proof-positive that they can foil even the most insidious plots with the tools we have given them.

'Heck of a job guys'

TEO,

RE: "...we know that all the blowharding and handwringing over super-secret spying programs being brought to the publics' attention doesn't really stop the investigators from doing their job..."

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING or.......

Jeremy,

And while we are trying to kill the termites before they destroy our homes... the dumb liberals and liberal Democrats are feeding them!!!

Liberals have absolutely no concept of reality.

AAR

"Proof-positive that they can foil even the most insidious plots with the tools we have given them."
~Third Eye Open

TEO,

Please provide supporting data to this statement. I've yet to read the methods used in learning about and stopping this plot. Your "proof-positive" looks like wishful conjecture on your part, to be frank, without something more concrete.

Wow the libs are having trouble spinning this. Or they haven't gotten out of their caves yet today.

Sorry, I for one think the world has gotten more unstable and less safe the past 5 years. I wish the next President luck with the situation he or she inherits.

the dumb liberals and liberal Democrats are feeding them!!!

Reminds me of another great Churchill quote, AAR:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Dummie Funnies has some pretty funny Leftist responses to this thwarted attack. See if you can recognize some of the rhetoric, heh.

SRayM,

"looks like wishful conjecture on your part, to be frank, without something more concrete."

--The plot was foiled before it was allowed to progress, the investigation was ongoing for a long time, so they obviously had the tools they needed to stop this very large, very well planned attack. It isn't conjecture when the system works.

So, was this going to be Iran's August 22nd message to the world?

The timing seems kind of odd with Ahmajinedad's eerie prediction.

Me thinks, though most of these dudes were Pakistani, that Iran is behind this.....

MNLIB

2 twenty year olds arrested in ohio. Both are from dearborn, mi(The Mecca of the midwest). They were found carrying passenger flight lists, a dozen cell phones and some small arms. We all see the problem in Britain but this is right in our backyard. There has been an islamofacist problem in Michigan for quite a few years.

"It isn't conjecture when the system works".

The system is bound to fail when those in charge still refer to Islam as a "religion of peace"

I work in a company that is staffed almost entirely by 9/11 theorists. They are truly nutcakes. They are all sitting around drinking coffee and ranting and raving about how Bush and Blair "invented" this plot to support their sagging poll numbers.

THAT is what the moonbats are thinking. They really, really believe that the entire terrorism thing was invented by CHeney as an evil plot to grab power. They talk openly of military revolt in the US as a way of "getting rid of a potential dictatorship"

These are otherwise very normal people by the way, and actually good friends. They are just lunatics about Bush...completely over the edge into irrationality. Very much like people who believe in flying saucers. The scary thing is how many of them there are.

I'm just keeping quiet today.

"Please provide supporting data to this statement. I've yet to read the methods used in learning about and stopping this plot."

Good Luck, TEO has the powers of being able to wish it so. Proof or facts are beneath him. He pronounces therefore it is in his little mind.

"The plot was foiled before it was allowed to progress, the investigation was ongoing for a long time, so they obviously had the tools they needed to stop this very large, very well planned attack. It isn't conjecture when the system works."

See that didnt take long. Once again we are subjected to what for the Terminally Erroneous One passes for logic and proof. When faced with such overwhelming and numerous facts as he produces to back up his claims how can we deny his genius. We all should bow before his superior mind and intellect.....not.

The British authorities used a technique called "SNEAK AND PEEK" where they don't need a full warrant but can take a look at what these guys are doing.

That's how they found these guys.

By the way, the left in this country has prevented our own authorities from using this same technique....the only way the left will ever learn is a few more tragic terrorism attacks on this country. That is the unfortunate reality.

Zoot,

you talk a whole lot, but don't say much.

What exactly is the point you're trying to argue?

Was the plot foiled before it came to fruition?
Weren't they tracking these guys for a while before they decided to act?

So what we have here is an instance where the system worked; We infiltrated this plot, worked for quite some time within it to make our web of connections, and then acted before they had a chance to go ahead with it. What part of the current system is deficient, even after the "treasonous" NYT spill't the beans?

Isn't that amazing? The UK can capture a whole band of terrorists averting disaster. Canada can capture a whole band of terrorists averting disaster.

The U.S., the supposed leader on fighting terrorism however; Bush can't catch a single terrorist, Bin Laden or even the Anthrax killer. Both long gone and case closed to Bush.

Maybe Rummy needs to go to school over there or here to learn how to really catch terrorists

Warrior,

Where exactly are you extrapolating "sneak and peek" from? This was a very intense, and time-consuming human and information intelligence operation, but what is becoming apparent is that they had someone on the inside; We can make that assumption based on the reports that the police were working closely with the South Asian community.

So as we can see, the tools in place right now were sufficient to break up this plan, even after all the belly-achin' about "treason", the system works.

"unprecedented level of surveillance" over several months involving meetings, movements, travel, spending and the aspirations of a large group of people."

Isn't that amazing? The UK can capture a whole band of terrorists averting disaster. Canada can capture a whole band of terrorists averting disaster.

The U.S., the supposed leader on fighting terrorism however; Bush can't catch a single terrorist, Bin Laden or even the Anthrax killer. Both long gone and case closed to Bush.

Maybe Rummy needs to go to school over there or here to learn how to really catch terrorists

-- That's because your government is more worried about "sneaking and peeking" at its political opponents and activist groups that threaten its policies than concentrating on actual terrorists.

The British authorities used a technique called "SNEAK AND PEEK" where they don't need a full warrant but can take a look at what these guys are doing.

That's how they found these guys.

By the way, the left in this country has prevented our own authorities from using this same technique....the only way the left will ever learn is a few more tragic terrorism attacks on this country. That is the unfortunate reality.

Come on, liberals and lefties, you were crying "Where's the terrorist threats?" What you got to say now?

Just wait. $20 says they will say this is all Bush's fault.

you're god damn right MM i'm going to blame bush. and i'm going to blame YOU for supporting him. a FAT lot of good our little disaster in iraq has done making us all feel safer in this world. if the terrorist plots keep coming down the pipes, than by your twisted, red-neck logic, bush has done a good job of making us all feel safer. thank god we've blown close to a half-trillion bucks in god damn iraq rather than beefing up security within our own borders. oh that's right, the GOP stepped on two democratic efforts to improve border and port security. OOPS!

so there's my 'spin' guys. hack away. thank you george bush i just feel so much safer in this world now. glad i have to get on a flight out of heathrow to fly to jfk on saturday...

oh and what do we have here? : a new wash post/ABC poll claiming that: A plurality of voters (46-38) trust Democrats more than Republicans to "do a better job handli you hacksng the U.S. campaign against terrorism."

oh but that's right, it's not a fox poll so it MUST be just lib bias... you hacks

you guys continue to paint this argument as those who wish to fight terrorism and those who don't. well what kind of mindless idiot is NOT interested in protecting their children, their homes,their countries from raving islamofascist lunatic terrorists? you think i'm not pissed right now? i'd like to see every one of those arrested in this plot torn to pieces. but i'm pissed because there will be five hundred more of these guys who will be stepping up the plate right behind them thanks to the searing hatred against american foreign policy that now breeds these guys at greater rates than we've ever seen before.
and you sit here and try to blame liberals for being soft on terror? being soft on terror is taking the game out of afghanistan and opening up a whole new breeding ground that never existed in this place called iraq. SWEET!
what's hard on terror? getting a military bogged down and BLOWING hundreds of billions while NEGLECTING your own borders? screw that.

so long as i have to frigin deal with adjusting the way i live my life under the constant threat that one day there could be another terrorist attack, i'll blame george bush and i'll say loud and clear that because of republican-supported neo-con policies, the terrorists have gotten their dreams answered. no one could have better aided the terrorist cause. NO ONE.

frankly, that is how america is starting to see this debate. america is waking up and realizing who REALLY is aiding and abetting terrorists around the world: king george and his republican rubber-stamp minions. that is how history will look upon this era.

“The plot was foiled before it was allowed to progress, the investigation was ongoing for a long time, so they obviously had the tools they needed to stop this very large, very well planned attack. It isn't conjecture when the system works.”
~Third Eye Open

I have yet to hear what tools were used and what system worked. The only thing I have found a quote from Peter Clarke; the Deputy Assistant Commissioner & Head of Scotland Yard’s Metropolitan Police Anti-terrorist Branch, saying "an unprecedented level of surveillance" led up to the arrests, and said the plot had a "global dimension". (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html)

In my ever-humble opinion, “an unprecedented level of surveillance” seems to indicate rather extraordinary measures were taken above and beyond what “normal” is. But, ultimately, this is beside the point.

The real question is, were any of the extraordinary security measures that have been so touted in the press of late instrumental in foiling this plot? Were they in any way useful tools to the investigation? Or were they not used at all? Likely we will not know… and, though I am curious, in the end I do not need to know.

Regardless of the tools used, this plot was foiled. And if there is a single tool that law enforcement feels they need to do this kind of job, let them have it. It’s so much better than the alternative.

What the left doesn't get is things are getting better and better. Look, another plot foiled. Red alert! We should watch out our windows, ready to report. Red Alert!

Why doesn't the left get it when all we're doing is spreading freedom and liberty across the globe. Look at all those purple fingers.

Why does the left not get it when all we ask is a little sacrifice. So we tap a few phones, check your e-mails, look at your bank account, and check what organizations you belong to. This is WAR. Not a war against a certain people,or nation, but an ideaology. We are fighting terrorism. A religious poliitical blend of thinking called islamofacism.

So may I advise, float with the boat lefties. It's all being done so you and your children can live safely and securely. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. Heck, I'll even get a RFID implant if thats what it takes.

In the past we have papered over the root cause of instability. Today, now, in the present, we understand the roots and are digging them out. We know where the roots are.

Right now we're rootin' around. We are no longer sowing the seeds of instability.

Get on board lefties, W, Rummy, and Condi know where the roots are. We are ripping the paper off. If you have the guts, believe in purple fingers, and are willing to sacrifice, you too can live and prosper in the American dream.

May God bless George Bush and those who support him unfailingly.

SRayM,

Well, I would say that the programs outed by NYT were pretty "extraordinary". If the normal course of investigations include things that are pretty ubiquitous among the population as a whole, then this "unprecedented level of surveillance" must be something above what we know about, which described the gist of the programs we recently heard about.

I can't say that I know for a fact these programs were used, but my point had nothing to do with whether they were, or weren't. From what we do know, the meetings and financial dealings of this group were well documented over the course of months, so the investigation wasn't inhibited in the least in infiltrating this plot, and probing the webs...isn't that what the system is inteded to do? So it seems that the police and investigators have what tools they need to do the job...hence, a bunch of handwringing and blowharding, for nothing.

Raker,

I love it man, Send me your bumper-sticker that says: Rootin' for Freedom, maybe have a pig with an American flag stenciled on its side...I'd buy 10 for Christmas!

Get on board lefties, W, Rummy, and Condi know where the roots are. We are ripping the paper off. If you have the guts, believe in purple fingers, and are willing to sacrifice, you too can live and prosper in the American dream.

May God bless George Bush and those who support him unfailingly.

it's people like raker13 who scare the crap out of me. tell you what, get your own finger out of your a*s and go over there and get sacrificin' now so that i can live in peace and harmony and prosper under the american dream over here. i now how inherently connected the two are.

Freedom1: You ask if we can finally have a frank discussion in the MSM about the nature of Islam. The short answer is 'no' for pretty much the same reason the msm cannot have a frank discussion about Russia and China. Political correctness just won't allow it.

It would be far more healthy for our country and the free world, if we could have open discussions about some of these things. I can only hope and pray that government officals working behind the scenes are able to put this together and respond appropiately. I mention elsewhere how much I dislike policies based entirely on hope.

A policy based entirely on hope is a bit like studying for a test and only reading half of the assigned material and saying I sure hope the professor does not ask me questions based on what I didn't read. That being said, I think a good approach is to only worry about what one can actually control. we can keep the pressure on our elected officials.

I cant even believe the left are trying to spin this at all. Well, I can, but.....

Rejoice in the fact these people were stopped and caught! And stop bringing your leftist BS into the picture.

How about talking about how great it is that they did not succeed.

How great it is that the UK doesnt have such uptight liberals trying to prevent the MI5 from doing their job in trying to protect innocent people.

Maybe we can take a lesson in how THEY do things. Seems to be working.

according to Sky News:

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke said the probe had been underway for several months.
"During the investigation an unprecedented level of surveillance has been undertaken and that surveillance has had as its objective to gather intelligence and evidence in support of the investigation," he said.
"We have been looking at meetings, movements, travel, spending and the aspirations of a large group of people. This has involved close co-operation not only between agencies and police forces in the UK but also internationally. (emphasis added)”

thank G*d the ACLU and the NYT wasn't there to stop them.

Horror of horrors...it has now been revealed that the Brits used "profiling" (illegal discrimination), "sneak and peek" (unlawful breaking and entering) and phone taps (without warrants) thereby violating the civil rights of these fine young muslims citizens of the UK.

OHHHH Myyyy!!!! How is it that we westerners have stooped so low?? This is clearly unfair and must somehow be a violation of the Geneva Convention. The UN promises and investigation.

The ACLU is now thinking of sending over lawyers to advise in their defense against this egregious violation of their civil rights.

The Ninth Circuit Court has issued a statement condemning, in the strongest terms, the Blair government, promising to free the "UK 21" if they are brought before the court.

The NYT wants to know why these young men have been singled out when everyone knows its ChimpyMcBushitler's fault for provoking them.

Rodney King, the presumed nominee for Secretary of State for the Gore/Fiengold 2008 ticket was quoted as saying:

"Ccccaaannn't we all just ggggget along?

Kos was quoted as saying "This is all a sham created by Bush to scare us all, because his main squeeze the little Jew from Connecticut was defeated"

Its good to see that the libs have sorted this out for the rest of us, so we can relax.

I for one would like to thank the intelligence and police involved in this capture. It was well done and something I wish could happen more often.

Think about it, how often to police prevent crime? When you call the police isn't it normally after or during a crime has occured? To me the police are a reactionary force more often then not, but I'm always glad when they are used in a preventative manner. (Like for crowd control, special events, and the like.)

Unfortunetly they're not always able to be used preventativly. Either this needs to change (Which I think it is) or we shouldn't rely on police forces for this protection. Isn't this what the FBI is supposed to do? The CIA? Investigate threats before they occur?

Even better from the Times:
"U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html

Looks like the US uncovered the plot and then passed the information along to local authorities.