Now that Rice has failed, it is up to French foreign minister Philippe Douste-Blazy. It is time to send a world diplomat instead of a Bush doormat.

Mark, don't be ridiculous. You are grasping at straws for suggesting the terrorists blew up the building. Accept it for what it is, a mishap in the fog of war. Ok, maybe 'mishap' is not the appropriate term, you get my drift.

Powerline and newsbusters are doing excellent work on this situation. This event appears very suspicious.

How many buildings have that many children in them? How often would the destruction of any apartment building result in such a high proportion of children dying?

Can we possibly ignore the evidence that after Isreal warned that this area was being targeted, this particular building ended up being filled with so many children?

Surely it couldn't have been a cold-blooded effort to spin public opinion by creating a media event full of photo ops of tiny mangled corpses. Nah. And surely there can be no blame attached to those who made the decision that the best place to house so many children would be the very place Israel warned would be bombed. Nah. Because who ever heard of radical terrorists causing the deaths of innocents?

Everyone KNOWS they only kill because people are taking the oil they so desperately need at home, or living on land they always thought of as theirs, or 'occupying' a Muslim country at the request of the citizens, or working in really tall buildings in another country, or flying in airplanes, or serving on American ships, or failing to see the supremacy of Allah, or.......

Almiranta,
As usual wonderfully well stated. Does it ever make you wonder, that the same people that can't fathom the idea that these terrorists would blow up their own building to continue their propoganda, can though float the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon. I just am in awe at the absolute hatred these libs have for Bush and America. They are free to leave anytime.

Mark, is the neighborhood of Qana a Christian section of that town? That's something I seem to have read elsewhere. If so, I would find nothing at all farfetched about radical muslims causing the deaths of Christians (or any other non-muslims, or even of muslims who aren't "muslim enough", for that matter), either by drawing Israeli fire by using them as shields or by blowing up the building themselves.

Canuckguy, the building collapsed 8 hours after the Israeli strike. Something doesn't add up.

This whole thing looks like a p.r. stunt. Is it true that hezbolla members were dresses as rescue workers and paraded the same dead children around for several hours? If so, how the hell can the journalists taking pictures not mention these bodies were not being recovered, but were being displayed by disguised hezbos? I think I've had enough of this shit. The world is crazy.

*Fox News Alert* Fidel Castro has temporarily turned over power to his brother.

Doesn't it seem strange to you that there were SO many children and women in a bombed out building? Doesn't it seem strange to you that Lebanon would allow a terrorist group to arm itself to the teeth and do absolutely NOTHING about it? Doesn't it seem strange to you that for 23 years Hezbollah has had the time, money, and backing to become the leading force for terror? How strange will it seem to you when Hezbollah is given a nuke by Iran--and uses it? The world is a frightening place. It has just gotten more frightening since it is playing right into the hands of Hezbollah. How strange!

Freedom1

Your're right. There are some things about this that just don't add up. Its sort of like Iraq's wmd. There are things that don't add up and warrant further investigation. The investigations into Qana, like Iraq's wmd will have to be done by the alternative press. These things don't fit into the world view of the msm to give thme the proper attention that they deserve.

Freedom1:

But but but but ... suggesting the terrorists blew up the building ... we know that the nice men with the ski masks and explosive vests would never blow up a building. Especially with precious civilians in it. Only the evil Israelis and Murtha's murdering Marines would do that.

Just wondering if anyone has watched "Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West" over on The Jawa Report. Pretty interesting... For those who need a better look into what is coming.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184116.php

As I mentioned in an earlier thread who sticks around near dangerous objects voluntarily? I mean would you let your kids hang out in a building that folks are shooting rockets from?

As for the banner, I thought it was a given that folks get help producing all their protest gear. I mean how easy is it to get American Flags in the middle east? Honestly.

There is nothing the terrorists won't do.

And it's begining to look like the same thing can be said of the Israeli's. There are no good guys in this conflict.

As I mentioned in an earlier thread who sticks around near dangerous objects voluntarily?

Gozer it may be the same type of people that couldn't get out of New Orleans.

Different context there Ash. In New Orleans you would have to leave the entire City/State to get clear. In this case you could GO DOWN THE BLOCK. Who can't go down a friggin block?

What the left doesn't realize is that the islamofascists can't win militarily, but they can win with propaganda. This is a war of images as well as terrorism. What the msm and left don't understand is that everytime they overplay an abu graib story type story they are playing into the hands of the enemy. Would Hezbollah deliberately keep women and children in a building bombed by Israel and deliberately demolish it 8 hours later? sinical as it sounds: Absolutely.

Gozer, Ash is one of those who refuses to believe that Hezbollah is responsible for the start of this war.

I hope more information comes out about why the building stood for 8 hours after the Isreali bombing, and why so many women and children were in it. Yes, I am leaning toward Hezbollah setting up a propoganda event, even if the building fell because of the damage caused by Isreali bombs, 8 hours is enough time to get the women and children out.

via LGF: Scroll down to:

Blogs Examine Qana Propaganda
(WARNING: graphic images linked below.)

*Confederate Yankee notes more discrepancies in the photo reports from Qana: "Were the Qana Bodies Staged?"

*More at Riehl World View: "A Tyre For Qana?"
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Also, not to be missed, scroll down to: Hizballah Firing From UN Positions Every Day

Plus, scroll on to: French FM: Iran is a Respected, Stabilizing Force

Ash- stop with the nonsense. There is nothing Israel won't do? Well, they can blow up every city in Lebanon if they wanted. If Hezbolla could blow up every city in Israel they would. So lets just can it with the moral equivalency. Works on on Dailykos better than here.

Hmmm, Hiz or Hez or whatever bolla suck ass, but you guys are starting to sound like the types that complain about black 'copters and visitors from space.

On with the conspiracy theories!

See this is what happens whenever people with no security clearance or access to top secret information watch the very news they ridicule for every last bit of information.

*Chuckles*

Agreed there grosse, this does sound a bit like a conspiracy theory, though the theories do fit the information provided. Anyone here ever work search and rescue? Seen photos post earthquakes and such?

I've only done S&R training exercises and even then I get dirtier than some of the guys I saw in those photos. That's not saying much though so I would tend to just ignore it if that was all there was. But looking at the bodies I will admit I'm a bit curious if anyone has done audtopsies on those bodies. It wouldn't be hard to determine cause of death and if those causes could be caused by a collapsing building. Though I highly doubt any audtopsies will be done.

My general idea is still the same, and even more so if the 8 hour time line is true. Would you let your kids go rushing around a building that just got blasted? Would you go into a blasted building in large groups? I talking common sense here folks and I don't think people rush back into busted buildings in large groups unless they're all idiots. Something fishy here.

Gozer, the degree of rigor mortis of some of those corpses with that 8 hour time gap...very interesting.

Qana discrepancies:
*8 hour time gap between attack and building collapse.
*lack of concrete dust, other dust on some of the corspes.
*lack of concrete dust, other dust on the rescuers.
*lack of visible blood on some of the corpses.
*lack of visible injuries on some of the corpses.
*Why were there so many children in a war zone, well after Israel warned them of possible military strikes?

Autopies should be done to determine cause of death and time of death.

"Seen photos post earthquakes and such?"

Heh. I'm also from California-earthquake central. I've also seen the 9/11 photos of New Yorkers covered from head to toe in concrete dust from the collapsing WTC towers. The lack of dust on some of the Qana corpses is "fishy".

GrosseMann-"Hmmm, Hiz or Hez or whatever..."

Hizballah
Hezbollah
Party of Allah
Party of the rock god-now that's a party!
Hezzies
Hizzies
Hizzifits-heh!

..."black 'copters and visitors from space."

Since X-Files, the MIB's don't use black helicopters anymore. Now, they're blue. Also, the "visitors" formerly housed at Area 51 have been relocated to a Secret Undisclosed Location. Didn't you pick up the latest online edition of The Lone Gunmen???

*Chuckles*

I liked the Lone Gunmen. :)

What part of this fine earthquake state you stuck in Freedom?

L.A.-within the vicinity of the beautiful San Andreas fault!
:)

Cool, I'm just up the hill here in Barstow. :)

I did my S&R work down at JPL and even training is dirty buisness, let alone actual rescue work. I want to know how they stayed so clean.

Bigfoot,

Good question - I did a bit of checking 'round, but I couldn't find any demographics for Qana...but southern Lebanon has long had the most Christians in Lebanon, and Lebanese Christians have been highly resentful of the death and destruction Hizbollah Moslems have brought down on them. This is something that does need to be investigated.

Ash,

“And it's beginning to look like the same thing can be said of the Israeli's. There are no good guys in this conflict.”

You would do what it takes to protect yourself would you not, if you where being violently attacked? If the United States where being attacked in the same manner, would you not expect the United States or any country to protect itself? Israel is being attacked, the Good Guys. Hezbollah is attacking Israel and has kidnapped two Israelis, and are using civilians as shields and propaganda, the Bad Guys. It’s simple logic but I guess you are missing that. WOW, you aren’t thinking.

“Gozer it may be the same type of people that couldn't get out of New Orleans."

Get real! There are NO parallels here! The most logical thing to do is leave an area that is being used as a base of attack. You know that a counter attack is going to happen. The best thing to do is move in any direction that will offer the safest haven. There is nothing stopping people in Lebanon from doing that, there is no hurricane blocking their exit.

Freedom: "the building collapsed 8 hours after the Israeli strike. Something doesn't add up."

How long did it take for WTC-7 to collapse?

Regarding the delayed building collapse; Correct me if I am wrong but I understood that the bomb struck next to the building leaving a large crater. The shock vibrations, the unstable crater so close to the foundation, could not that lead to a delayed collapse?

Regarding why so many children. I took at face value, the story that two clans took shelter in the building, Muslims have large famlies and naturally that makes sense. Probably the men were out fighting. They took shelter there because it was said they thought it was safer than trying to excape vis the dangerous roads.

The Suspicious Happenings: Well naturally the terrorists organization(and they are well organized, I grant them that), will make hay with the PR battle.

Lack of dust on bodies: Well I just don't know unless it is because the dust flies from the building into the streets and those inside just get crushed.

Christians for the most part in the building? Don't think so. I have not seen reports of that. On TV, they look Muslim to me, the ones who are grieving. It is Shiite terrority after all.

I am perfectly aware also that Muslim terrorists are capable of practically anything if it can advance their cause but I highly doubt that blew up the building.

Ash- stop with the nonsense. There is nothing Israel won't do? Well, they can blow up every city in Lebanon if they wanted.

I think you are living in a fantasy world, mi amigo. Israel has every right to defend itself, but has bitten off more than it can chew. Dropping tonnage in civilian areas has already backfired in their face: instead of turning the civilians against Hezbollah, they are creating recruits.

Yes I do agree with your first sentence: Sto the nonsense!

Having second thoughts about the Qana incident. Read some thought provoking articles that it may be a fraud. If so, we should be hearing more about it in the MSM soon.