Mark:

How insulting it is to even hint that opposition to your point of view, or Bush's failed agenda in general, is anything like Hitler or evil.

Those of us who are "who are rock-ribbed in opposition to the liberation of Iraq as well as other things we've done in the War on Terrorism," are thoughtful, patriotic individuals. We see the utter incompetence and destruction this has brought. It is my belief that we were misled and as a public abused under the so-called "leadership" of entirely Republican government.

The wreckage of their six years in power is obvious for all to see.

In fact, almost everything the anti-war critics have said has come to be true.

This post is another "bitter, slashing attack" to suggest, even obliquely, that those who do not agree with you are comparable to incomparable evil.

This is infuriating, and very sad, on your part and on the part of blogsforbush.com. You say you welcome debate and opposing views but to insinuate that we are all morden-day brown shirts is new low.

I am against the "war on terror," Bush's failed policies, and the invasion of Iraq on principle and on moral grounds. I am stunned daily that you continue to support this folly and the failed president.

Wade

Wow. I bet he will soon be best buds with Cindy Sheehan.

Several guys I knew got shirts in Subic. One of my favorites was:

Nuke them till they glow and shoot them in the dark

I've been thinking a lot lately about how I feel about Israel and it's neighbors. And I've come to the conclusion that I like Israel better than I like the Arabs. So, f^&k 'em. I'm only sorry now that it looks like Israel will be stopped - again - from achieving total victory.

Mark, all you need to know is that the author is a Berkeley Lib (Sorry for the redundancy.)

There is just this desperate need on the Left to prove oneself morally and intellectually superior, and in cases like this the avenue chosen is to "find" or "understand" the inherent goodness and decency in something most reject as despicable and indefensible. Whether it is mourning the cruel world that has forced terrorists into their lives of chaos and destruction or working passionately to free a convicted murderer (so he can kill again) there is something about so many Libs that calls them go against the facts.

It's really a Superiority Complex---a belief that they, somehow, can just SEE more than the average person, can GET IT when simpler minds can't, can UNDERSTAND the hidden meanings that elude the rest of us.

The incongruity of trying to prove moral and intellectual superiority by acting like an idiot seems to go right over the heads of these self-styled geniuses, but that never stops them.

I'm still reeling from the idea that Spielberg could direct Shindler's List and Saving Private Ryan and still be a lib-after reading that poem I'm ill...

mary - and Spielberg is an Eagle Scout. I wonder how he feels about the continuous liberal attacks and lawsuits against the Boy Scouts.

On a different note - A very good site to keep up with the armed forces is http://www.military.com/

Personally, I think the poem is bad literature. And as for the meaning of its contents, its point of view is silly, sappy and ridiculous. The Reverend is going to have a fit when he reads it..

Maybe you could begin your new policy of "love" and "kindness" by getting the Israeli's to ceasefire so more children won't die. Peace

Kahn,
Thanks for the web address, I'll check it out. If it doesn't reguire too much detail, how do you post a sight or reference on the blog (my kids aren't here to show me!) and navigating the computer is not one of my strong points.

AFWIFE,
I've been hoping to catch up with you on a thread. Just wanted you to know I admire you and your family's sacrifice, it must be hard. My neighbor is in the AF and doesn't have family in town , so we have kind of adopted him, and watch after things when he is deployed. I worry the whole time he's gone, and my family and I are so relieved when he returns. I think the biggest message that he passes to me through E-mail when he's away and states when he's home is that the troops believe in their cause and it's difficult for them to hear the Cindy Sheehans in America. BTW his X-mas gift was a Rush 24/7 subscription, he and is fellow soldiers enjoy the support the hear on the show.

Grad student?

Certainly not in literature.

The person could be a graduate student in basket weaving with a minority in Jihad. What do you expect from Berzerkely?

Mary, drag across the web adress. Right click and choose copy. Then, while making your blog entry, right click and choose paste.

Kahn,
Got it! Thanks very much!
GF,
Consider the University!LOL

Kahn

I feel pretty much the same way you do about Israel. It looks like you may be right. Israel may be stopped again before they are able to achieve total victory. All this accomplishes is to increase the amount of deaths on all sides.

I estimate Israel has at most 3 maybe 4 four more weeks. Hopefully this will be enough time to significantly degrade Hezbollah. Then the much talked about international force can be moved in. Unfortunately they will not remain forever. When they leave, there will be a fully resupplied Hezbollah.

I hope I'm wrong of course. I hope and pray President Bush will find the conviction and the spine to stay out of Israel's way and allow them to fully destroy Hezbollah.

Welcome aboard, Mary. You can do as Kahn suggested, or you can get a little fancier and do an embedded link to the site you want to reference. Highlight the web address and cut and paste into the comments box as Kahn instructed. Then in front of the web address type the "less than symbol (left arrow above the comma) followed by the letter "a" followed by a space and the letters "href" followed by an "equals sign" (=) and quotation marks. The web address you cut and pasted should immediately follow the quotation marks. Immediately after the web address type quotation marks again followed by the "greater than" sign (the right arrow above the period). Then type a name for your link such as the word "here". After the link name, anchor the link by typing a left arrow, a slash, the letter "a" and a right arrow. Your sentence might look something like this: You can find the information you're looking for here. In the actual post, the word "here" will be in red, and when the reader clicks on it, it will direct him/her to the article, post, whatever that you've referenced. An example of this is the word "American" in red in the first line of Mark's post. When you click on it, it takes you directly to the Common Dreams Newscenter.

Kahn's method is a lot simpler, but once you've done a couple links it makes referencing material from other sources more interesting and looks a lot neater. It's pretty foolproof unless, of course, you're old and senile like me and you occasionally get one of the arrows backwards. Then the whole thing is FUBAR.

Good luck.

RS,
Thank you, and trust me you don't have to be old to FUBAR!! Now how do I save your post for reference?

AF Wife,

I hope you don't mean me - 'cause I realise that Sheehan is also immersed in evil and thus can't recognise it anymore. Really, though, it is a pitiable state of affairs for a person to be in. I'm really no longer angry with any of them - just very sorry for them.

Wade,

I really expect nothing else from you - you and I being barely on the same planet anymore. This is really too bad, because as people clearly interested in politics and philosophy, in a different reality we'd call each other "friend".

I don't believe that in any way, shape or form I compared you or any other opponents to Hitler or the Nazi regime - I merely used it as an illustration of what happens to people when they travel too long down the wrong path...after a while, Hell starts to seem pleasant, or at least there is a fear of turning away from the known Hell to the unknown possible Heaven down the other turning in the road. You really should see that movie, if you haven't - and either before or after seeing it, read Lewis' "The Great Divorce".

I shan't argue with you any more - its pointless: you don't believe a word I say, after all. I shall state my views, I shall read any replies you put out and I'll go in to the back and forth in the exposition of ideas, but to argue the merits of the case is fruitless - you don't see what I see.

Steve: Now let me get this straight, Israel is the bad guy because that are defending themselves? Why not put blame for children’s deaths squarely where it belongs, the terrorists and the Lebanese government for not pushing these jerks out of their country.

What is so difficult about blaming those that are the root cause, not the ones responding to it?

Wade: Do you work for the DNC? Your rants sound so much like DNC talking points. Don't you have anything original?

You say you are against everything, are your for anything that is achievable?

"The person could be a graduate student in basket weaving with a minority in Jihad. What do you expect from Berzerkely?"-by: Tina

Bwahaha!
:)

Mark,
I don't think (and I don't want to speak for anyone else) that AFWIFE meant you, my understanding, due to the positioning of the post was that it was intended for Wade. Nothing you said indicated you were sympathetic to the author of that pathetic poem. I only disagree with your assumption that she isn't "wicked" the best I can offer her is morally challenged or woefully misinformed. But I still think wicked.

AFWIFE,
I've been hoping to catch up with you on a thread. Just wanted you to know I admire you and your family's sacrifice, it must be hard. My neighbor is in the AF and doesn't have family in town , so we have kind of adopted him, and watch after things when he is deployed. I worry the whole time he's gone, and my family and I are so relieved when he returns. I think the biggest message that he passes to me through E-mail when he's away and states when he's home is that the troops believe in their cause and it's difficult for them to hear the Cindy Sheehans in America. BTW his X-mas gift was a Rush 24/7 subscription, he and is fellow soldiers enjoy the support the hear on the show.

Posted by: mary s at July 28, 2006 07:57 PM

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THANKS MARY! I really appreciate your post and your thoughts and support! God Bless you!

AF Wife,

I hope you don't mean me - 'cause I realise that Sheehan is also immersed in evil and thus can't recognise it anymore. Really, though, it is a pitiable state of affairs for a person to be in. I'm really no longer angry with any of them - just very sorry for them.

Posted by: Mark Noonan at July 28, 2006 10:35 PM

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NOOOOO! I was referring to the author of the Love Poem. LOL!

And I ment to type She instead of he. Oppps.

I do not understand how warped someone could get to say they "love Hizbollah."

I can totally see how someone could be against the War in Iraq... but how can a sane individual support Hizbollah... or the rest of their ilk.

the ones who stone women for showing their faces. the ones who decapitate innocent relief workers.
the ones who kill their own kind to incite revolt.
the ones who kill innocents while decrying the same practice.

And yes... you can say they are doing it because they've been attacked... BUT SO HAS ISRAEL. SO HAS THE UNITED STATES. SO HAS AUSTRALIA. SO HAS SPAIN. SO HAS THE UNITED KINGDOM.

This idiot woman accuses us of atrocities but will overlook we were attacked, yet defends these killers because in her words "they were attacked."

To this woman and to people who think like her.

WTF?

RS,
Thank you, and trust me you don't have to be old to FUBAR!! Now how do I save your post for reference?

The easiest way is to use the method that Kahn described and just cut and paste my post to a MicroSoft Word document (or whatever word processing software you use). If you have your word processing icon on your desktop, just highlight my post, click on edit in the upper left corner of your screen and click on "copy". Minimize the B4B page which should take you to your desktop. Click on your word processing icon which should give you a blank document screen. Click on edit again and then click on "paste". My post should appear as a new document which you can name and save.

If I'm being too elementary in my instructions, I apologize. You sound like my wife. Her favorite computer expression is "oops, what'd I do".

RS,
Trust me when it comes to computers you can't be too elementary for me. Thank you so much for the instructions. Your wife is much more gracious than I, my oops is usually followed by a barage of expletives and a threat to my laptop that it's headed out the window!!!

Mark:

How can you say you did not compare me and those who oppose Bush similar to the mentality of Hitler?

Using Hitler as an "illustration" of those who are "too long down the wrong path" as you see liberals and other critics of the Bush Administration only proves the point.

I am not the one down the wrong path. Time has proven my position more correct than yours, unfortunately I might add. There were no WMD's in Iraq; the world is not safer and terrorism has increased substantaially under Bush's watch.

Never ever should you assume that intelligent criticism of the "Bush Doctrine" is anything like the mindless obedience to a fascist, charasmatic leader.

I can only think that at this point you are the victim of a well crafted alternate reality to which your allegiance has blinded you to question on any level.

You and I are on the same planet, and for the forseeable future will remain so. I am an American deeply concerned with the fate of this fine country. But the future will depend on people like you and me striking a compromise.

Wade

mary,

I can see your point, but I'm going to hold that in order to be wicked, a person would have to knowingly attempt evil deeds - the author of the poem, at least in my view, intends no evil...and she can't see that it is evil because she doesn't know the difference - can't see the difference - between good and evil. She's more of a dupe, in my view.

Wade,

Sorry, truth can't compromise with untruth. In your own comments is the impossible thing: you say no WMDs were in Iraq...this was, is and always will be a patent absurdity. I can't sink our differences over this - you will have to stop believing an untrue thing in order for you and I to have a meeting of the minds.

Wade, when you will you believe that Iraq either had (what I believe) or was working hard to give the appearance that they had WMD's? When one goes off in your face? I hold with the idea that they were shipped out of the country, and if they did go to Syria or Iran, they will find their way into the hands of terrorists. So maybe you won't have a problem if one is lobbed at Isreal, but watch out for the response!

Isreal is not the agressor in this war, it is defending itself and attempting to get the soldiers that were kidnapped returned. If Hezbollah wants a ceasefire, then they can stop firing rockets indiscriminately into Isreal, return the soldiers and leave Lebanon. They won't, so I really don't think we should stop Isreal.

"What's under attack is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading representative right now happens to be the United States," William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, wrote in the magazine's current issue.

"with so many people clearly on the left side of the scale, there is a blindness to evil which can only be explained by being immersed in evil and thus not really knowing the difference."

Ah, yes. Liberal is the new conservative. Right is the new left. Now I see...

Oh, and you mean THOSE WMDs. Those "nasty skin rash" WMDs that turn up all the time. Oh. OK. You didn't mean the new, weapons-grade tonnage that the DoD says didn't exist. You meant the Iran-Iraq war stuff. Oh, well, I feel so silly. They were there all along. OK, one hundred thousand dead innocent Iraqis WAS worth it all along.

Western conservative utopia WILL break out any day now, in the north, south, east and west somewhat of Bagdad. It might take six days, six weeks... I doubt six months.

Dang, kj, that server error thing made me miss your post.

Hey, I have a question: so, like, Saddam shuffled WMDs out of Iraq in 2002-2003, all of which had a three to five year shelf-life, so, like, if they sell them to terrorists, won't they just be ripping the terrorists off?

Here's what I mean:

The U.S. Defense Department’s “Militarily Critical Technologies List” (MCTL) is “a detailed compendium of technologies" that the department advocates as “critical to maintaining superior US military capabilities. It applies to all mission areas, especially counter-proliferation.” Written in 1998, it was recently re-published with updates for 2002.

According to the MCTL’s opinion of Iraq's chemical weapons program, in making its chemical nerve agents, “The Iraqis . . . produce[d] a . . . mixture which was inherently unstable,” says the report. “When the Iraqis produced chemical munitions they appeared to adhere to a ‘make and use’ regimen. Judging by the information Iraq gave the United Nations, later verified by on-site inspections, Iraq had poor product quality for their nerve agents. This low quality was likely due to a lack of purification. They had to get the agent to the front promptly or have it degrade in the munition.”

Furthermore, says this Defense Department report, “The chemical munitions found in Iraq after the [first] Gulf War contained badly deteriorated agents and a significant proportion were visibly leaking.” The shelf life of these poorly made agents were said to be a few weeks at best

Ritter [clearly a fascist] now insists, any chemical weapons facilities operating in recent years could, like their nuclear counterpart, have given off vented gases; and any new biological weapons programs would have to start again from scratch. Both activities would have been easily detected by Western intelligence, and no such evidence has been produced.

So, like, the old stuff that has degraded so much that it might give you something akin to herpes is what was snuck off to Syria and Iran? Is that what you are worried about? Boy, if they lob those at Israel, they're going to have a tough time explaining that rash to their wives. "No honey, I haven't been cheating on you. It's a stale WMD rash. Really!"

You are not thinking. Or you have better intel than the DoD, which is a distinct possibility.

Fascist's are from the Rightwing NOT the Left. That is because Fascism was invented by Pope Bedidict XV as a counter weight to Communism. Fascism is for the religious and Communists(they claim) are "Godless" or non-religious. Dictators,Kings,Popes are all the same...they rule from the top by decree and the "people" snap to. Hope this helps everyone know who everyone else is. Peace

I am not the one down the wrong path. Time has proven my position more correct than yours, unfortunately I might add.

Please enlighten us, Wade. You don't have to list them all, but give us a few examples throughout history where your view prevailed. Take your time -- we'll wait.

You should read what Iowahawk wrote in return!

Macker,
I don't have words for that, I wish I was better versed. And I really wish I was clever enough to come up with a response like that to "grad girl's love poem" Wish she would somehow see that, probably not, but we can have our dreams right?

Macker, Iowahawk has come up with some pretty good satire over the last couple years. Remember this one during the 2004 Presidential campaign?

RS,
I like that one too!! and BTW I was able to do just as you instructed and now have your instructions on word!!!! Can't wait to try posting a reference, but will wait until I have something relevant to a thread!! I'll become a computer guru in no time LOL.Mary

Your welcome, Mary. I'm looking forward to seeing your results in the near future.

RS: That sure passed the Global Test!

congressive,

If it took 60 years, it would be worth it - we're fighting to bring freedom to our brothers and sisters in Iraq and the entire Arab/Moslem world.

I just don't understand why you on the left have a problem witht this.

Maybe this 'poet' is like those fool women who stalk death row inmates.

You don't have to list them all, but give us a few examples throughout history where your view prevailed. Take your time -- we'll wait.

Are those crickets I hear? Or is it the sound of silence...

Fools said i,you do not know

Silence like a cancer grows.

Hear my words that I might teach you,

Take my arms that I might reach you.

But my words like silent raindrops fell,

And echoed In the wells of silence