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July 27, 2006
The End of Patriotic Liberalism in the Democratic Party?

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Posted by Mark Noonan at July 27, 2006 01:31 AM



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Joe Lieberman's support of George Bush is what is costing him his seat.

Bush, the worst president the Republci has ever sufferred is the "kiss of death" for politicians these days.

Since when is being anti-Bush the same as being unpatriotic? How foolish to even make an assumption.

Wade

Posted by: Wade at July 27, 2006 03:39 AM

Not only might he take some more centrist dems out of that party, but some more liberal republicans out of that party as well. It would be interesting to see what a new party would look like, and who would join it.

Ofcourse, the other option is that the democratic vote is so well split, a republican could get elected. Wonder what would happen then?

Posted by: kjstrouble [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 08:53 AM

the Classic Liberals "Bluedogs" (pro defence/biz, fiscally conservative, socially tolerant) are completely marginalized as a consequence of the lefty-dominated, nomination process. This is especially noticable now that the WW2 era vets are no longer in Federal office.

unfortunately we're left w murtha-types as vets who represent the failed dem war policy of containment, not victory, that produced a stalemate in korea & a 10 yr war of attrition in vietnam.

(cue the loony left mantra)...

"war isn't the answer"...well, 'cept to gain our independence, free the slaves, & shut-down the nazi deathcamps.

Posted by: OhioOrrin at July 27, 2006 09:21 AM

As a small silver lining - if Lieberman does return to the a Senate still controlled by the GOP, he might very well be able to lead a dozen Democrats out of the Democratic Party and start the formation of a new, center/left Party to take over from the disintegrating Democrats.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

I've been saving the following piece since the end of 2004 and you won't find a link to it because I created it. Number 50 on the list dovetails nicely with the above excerpt from Mark's post. And Mark, I apologize in advance for using up so much bandwidth with one post.

NOT ALL DEMOCRATS

I recently heard a discussion on the radio about racial profiling and the war on terror. The point was made that, while not all Muslims are terrorists, the vast majority of terrorists are Muslims. Political junkie that I am, my first thought was that this same principle applies to Democrats. This started out in early 2004 as a “Top 10 List”, and what I discovered, as the list grew, was the reason I am a Republican. In addition to supporting Republican principles of smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes, entrepreneurship and personal responsibility, there are just so many things about the Democrat Party that I find morally repugnant and intellectually dishonest.

1. Not all Democrats compare their political opponents to Hitler and refer to them publicly as fascists, Nazis, digital brown shirts, book burners, Satan, the real terrorists, worse than Sadam, etc., but it is only Democrats who do this. (These are from public comments by prominent Democrats just during the 2004 campaign. I have NEVER heard a Republican use any of these words to describe a Democrat.)

2. Not all Democrats support partial birth abortion, but virtually all supporters of partial birth abortion are Democrats.

3. Not all Democrats are radical environmentalists, but nearly all radical environmentalists are Democrats.

4. Not all Democrats oppose private property rights, but the vast majority of those who oppose private property rights are Democrats.

5. Not all Democrats oppose school choice, but the majority of those who do are Democrats.

6. Not all Democrats believe the government can spend our money more wisely than we can, but most of the people who do are Democrats.

7. Not all Democrats support homosexual marriage, but the majority of those who support homosexual marriage are Democrats.

8. Not all Democrats believe that the main purpose of a business is to provide jobs, but nearly all who believe so are Democrats.

9. Not all Democrats believe that our Constitution is a living document that can and should be changed primarily by the courts rather than by the will of the People through the amendment process, but most who believe this way are Democrats.

10. Not all Democrats praise and admire (or, at the very least, apologize for) brutal communist dictators like Fidel Castro, but the only people who do are Democrats.

11. Not all Democrats believe that if we just leave the terrorists alone, they will leave us alone, but the vast majority who believe so are Democrats.

12. Not all Democrats support turning over a substantial portion of our national security to the United Nations, but the only people who support this are Democrats.

13. Not all Democrats believe that by making America weaker we will make America safer, but virtually all who believe so are Democrats.

14. Not all Democrats believe that tax cuts cause deficits, but the majority of people who do are Democrats. (Federal revenue from individual income taxes grew at a nearly 50% faster rate in the five years following Reagan’s tax cuts than it did during the five years following Bush Sr.’s and Clinton’s tax increases in the early 90’s. (source – Statistical Abstract of US) Were it not for 911, the Dot.Com stock market bubble burst, the War on Terror and numerous corporate scandals that originated during the Clinton years, the Bush tax cuts would have likely produced the same result. As it is, most economists agree that the tax cuts, at the very least, dramatically lessened the severity of the recession. A noted Nobel Laureate in Economics recently stated publicly that the only thing wrong with the Bush tax cuts was that they weren’t big enough. (update – summer, 2005 – Federal revenue from individual income taxes increased dramatically)

15. Not all Democrats want to repeal the Second Amendment, but most of those who do are Democrats. If they ever mount a serious attempt at repeal, they will find out why the Founding Fathers included it in the Bill of Rights. (Hint – it doesn’t have anything to do with hunting or target shooting.)

16. Not all Democrats have a static view of the economy, but nearly all who do are Democrats. A static view holds that for every winner of life’s lottery there must, by necessity, be a loser; that the rich got that way only at the expense of the poor. A Dynamic view holds that our economy is ever-expanding, that a rising tide lifts all boats.

17. Not all Democrats believe that there are people in this world who neither desire nor deserve freedom, but virtually the only people who express this belief publicly are Democrats. (Of all the beliefs and positions on this list, I find this to be the most offensive.) This “cultural condescension” as Ronald Reagan termed it, has been soundly rebuked in such major world powers as Germany, Japan and India. In fact, the number of free, democratic governments has quadrupled in the last 30 years, a growth spurt of freedom unequaled in human history. The most absurd question posed by Democrats with regard to the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq is “what will we do if they vote for an Islamic theocracy”? That is like asking what we would do if an innocent person freed from prison voted to go back to prison.

18. Not all Democrats hold the American Military in distain, but the vast majority of those who do are Democrats.

19. Not all Democrats believe that we deserved what happened to us on September 11, 2001, but most of those who believe so are Democrats.

20. Not all Democrats are playing politics with national security, but virtually the only ones doing so are Democrats.

21. Not all Democrats believe people should receive government assistance based on the color of their skin instead of their economic circumstances, but it is almost exclusively Democrats who believe this.

22. Not all Democrats believe the First Amendment applies only to those who agree with them, but it is clearly only Democrats who believe this. During the 2004 election cycle Democrats tried to stop the publishing of the book “Unfit for Command”, then threatened legal action against bookstores that sold it. They also threatened legal action against radio and TV stations that carried the Swift Vet ads, and attempted to get the FCC to stop the Sinclair Television Network airing of the Vietnam documentary “Stolen Honor”. One Kerry campaign staffer, Chad Clanton, even went so far as to threaten Sinclair in public, saying “they better hope we don’t win”. (THIS IS REALLY FRIGHTENING!) On the flip side, anti-Bush books, documentaries and news shows have numbered in the dozens, one even based largely on forged military documents (a felony). There has been no effort (at least publicly) on the part of the Bush campaign to stifle any of these, often vicious, attacks.

23. Not all Democrats believe convicted felons and illegal aliens should be allowed to vote, but it is only Democrats who believe this.

24. Not all Democrats believe public school teachers should not be held accountable for education results, but it is mostly Democrats who believe this.

25. Not all Democrats advocate violence as an acceptable form of public protest, but Democrats have a virtual monopoly on violence as a protest tactic. During the 2004 election cycle local Republican headquarters have been shot at, broken into, ransacked and stormed by union-led mobs. Bush supporters have been assaulted and had their tires slashed. I have not seen one single report of any of these tactics being used by Republicans.

26. Not all Democrats deny the existence of good and evil, but it is mostly Democrats who are apprehensive about defining things in terms of good and evil lest they be perceived as morally judgmental.

27. Not all Democrats are radical feminists, but virtually all radical feminists are Democrats.

28. Not all Democrats confuse patriotism with loyalty, but it is mostly Democrats who seem not to understand the difference. Patriotism is a feeling, a “love or devotion to one’s country.” Loyalty, by definition, is an action word. It is “allegiance to one’s country” or “faithfulness to one’s government.” Many traitors have come and gone calling themselves “patriots.” Few would agree they were being “loyal.”

29. Not all Democrats believe we are under-taxed, but the only people who believe so are Democrats. They often point to the United States as being the lowest taxed of all developed countries as though that was a bad thing. It is the reason our unemployment rate is half and our economic growth rate is double or triple that of most of the European countries Democrats like to cite as examples we should emulate.

30. Not all Democrats support using our military primarily for humanitarian reasons but not when our interests are threatened, however, it is mostly Democrats who believe this way.

31. Not all Democrats are cheaters, but election fraud by Democrats has become so widespread that it’s even inspired a new best-selling book: “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat”. When was the last time you heard reports of “dead” Republicans voting?

32. Not all Democrats support the exploitation of injured, ill and physically handicapped people for political purposes, but Democrats have refined such exploitation into an art form. Recent exploitations of Christopher Reeve, Michael J. Fox, Max Cleland and the amputee soldier reciting a litany of lies in the recent TV ad funded by Operation Truth, coupled with the blatant lie that President Bush has banned stem cell research, are simply beyond contempt.

33. Not all Democrats believe that people like Whoopie Goldberg, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, and Michael Moore represent the “heart and soul of America”, but it is only Democrats, including their Presidential nominee (who said so publicly), who believe so.

34. Not all Democrats think that Homeland Security should be held hostage to union collective bargaining demands, but it was only Democrats in Congress who opposed the creation of the Department of Homeland Security unless it contained a collective bargaining provision. Then they had the nerve to publicly demagogue the President because of his opposition to unionization of DHS.

35. Not all Democrats, when they’re unable to defend their positions, resort to calling their political opponents names, (ie: racist, bigot, homophobe, etc.) but this is a tactic used almost exclusively by Democrats.

36. Not all Democrats believe that America spreads nothing but evil and misery around the world, but it is only Democrats who believe this way.

37. Not all Democrats are oblivious to the Law of Diminishing Returns, but Democrats in particular seem not to understand this important concept as it applies to government spending related to problem solving. (ie: clean air and water)

38. Not all Democrats realize it yet, but their party has become defined, as the noted columnist Victor Davis Hanson so aptly put it, “by pampered New York metropolitan columnists, billionaire heiresses, financial speculators, and a weird assortment of embittered novelists, bored rock stars and out-of-touch Hollywood celebs”.

39. Not all Democrats see the desirable outcome of military conflict as an exit strategy rather than as victory, but it is almost exclusively Democrats who believe this way.

40. Not all Democrats believe the solution to energy independence is through restricting energy consumption and expanding alternative energy sources (don’t even get me started on their hypocrisy with regard to alternative sources) rather than by simply finding more existing sources of energy (or some combination of the three), but it is mostly Democrats who hold this view.

41. Not all Democrats compare Terrorists to our Revolutionary Minutemen and refer to them as “Freedom Fighters”, but it is only Democrats who have made such references publicly. (This comes in a close second to #17 in the offensive category) The real Freedom Fighters are the men and women of the United States Military. I challenge anyone who doubts this to make a side by side list of all the countries Islamic Terrorists have freed from oppression and the number that have been liberated by the US Military.

42. Not all Democrats believe the Boy Scouts is an evil organization, but the individuals in the ACLU who are waging all out war on the Boy Scouts are certainly not Republicans. As a former Eagle Scout, I am repulsed by the ACLU’s attempts to force ideologies on the Boy Scouts in the name of diversity that are inconsistent with their founding principles.

43. Not all Democrats preach tolerance but practice intolerance (of those who disagree with them), but Democrats have become highly skilled at such hypocrisy.

44. Not all Democrats value effort over results, but such a mindset has come to define the modern Democrat Party. I’m not sure if it’s because the Democrat Party is dominated by liberals who are more emotional and effort oriented, or if Democrats would rather just have specific problems as ongoing campaign issues instead of simply solving the problems in the first place. Either way it’s a difficult position to defend.

45. Not all Democrats are anti-Christian (in fact, many are devout Christians), but the anti-Christian vitriol and hostility coming from liberal Democrats is a poison that, if not checked, will lead to a marginalization from which The Democrat Party may not soon recover. One only needs to go online and read the Letters to the Editor page of any major newspaper or news magazine to see the extent of the problem.

46. Not all Democrats value equality over liberty, but I believe one of the main reasons the Democrat Party is in decline (anyone who doubts this must be living under a rock.) is the growing number of Democrats who believe equality trumps every other human condition. This kind of thinking breeds moral relativism, resulting in the elevation of immoral or amoral minorities at the expense of moral majorities.

47. Not all Democrats favor diplomatic negotiations over military victory as the surest road to lasting peace, but diplomacy clearly finds its home in the Democrat Party while history is emphatically on the side of victory.

48. Not all Democrats believe in a dependent society as opposed to an ownership society, but the opposition to President Bush’s proposals for Personal Retirement Accounts, Medical Savings Accounts and Lifetime Savings Accounts is almost exclusively by Democrats.

49. Not all Democrats confuse values with opinions, but the 2004 election proved that a large number of Democrats don’t know the difference. An opinion is what we think about an issue. Values concern what we know to be right, given what we have been taught - - religiously, ethically and morally. One can only hope that peoples’ values inform their opinions. Until a majority of Democrats understand this concept they will continue to lose elections.

50. And last but not least, not all Democrats eventually get fed up with the fact that their party has been hijacked by the lunatic fringe and become Republicans, but there are a lot more ex-Democrats in the Republican Party than the other way around. Kind of says it all, doesn’t it?

If you are a Democrat, do you admit to supporting the beliefs, principles, policies and positions stated here? If not, you are out of step with the leaders of your party. If you do, how do you defend your position without ignoring the facts and the truth? You ultimately risk being tied by interests you cannot or will not admit to arguments you cannot defend.

Posted by: Retired Spook [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:11 AM

spook -

The same thing could be said of conservatives.

Not all members of the conservative party are members of the KKK, but all KKK members are conservative.

Not all members of the conservative party are paranoid armed men living in the hills, but all of them are.

Not all members of the conservative party have large churches whose purpose is agenda and profit, but all of them are conservative.

Not all members of the conservative party wish to see the government stop supporting the poor and disfortunate, but some of them do.

Not all members of the conservative party want to privatize the best education system in the world, but some of them do.

Not all members of the conservative party want to send illegal aliens that have been hear for decades back to a land with which they no longer know, but some do.

Not all members of the conservative party think that the arts and literature are worthless, but some of them do.

Not all members of the conservative party hate the rest of the world, but all that do are conservative..

Not all members of the conservative party hate people because of their sexuality (to extent where they beat them to death) but all that do are conservative.

Not all members of the conservative party are blind to pollution, but all that are blind are conservative.

Posted by: grosseMann [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:32 AM

Retired S - Holy Cow. Compliments sir, well said.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:33 AM

It's all about extremes, I suppose most people are in the middle of everything except for a handful of social issues.

However, try have an argument using your own opinions and facts you have researched. I can say it is quite difficult as we hear so many opinions daily , especially talk radio people and bloggers. How can they not turn us in to bickering fuddie duddies.

the majority of america is straight down the middle with a just the smallest of social differences. As a nation, democrat or liberal, other liberal countries label us conservative.

Posted by: grosseMann [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:50 AM

gross

Wrong sir.

"Not all members of the conservative party are members of the KKK, but all KKK members are conservative."

The vast majority (if not all) members of the KKK have been DEMOCRATS

"Not all members of the conservative party are paranoid armed men living in the hills, but all of them are."

I think you'll find those wackos have no party affiliation.

"Not all members of the conservative party have large churches whose purpose is agenda and profit, but all of them are conservative."

That sure assumes alot about these churches. But tell the NAACP and the CBC that you are not interested in church votes.

"Not all members of the conservative party wish to see the government stop supporting the poor and disfortunate, but some of them do."

The records show that Republicans fund these welfare programs as much as Democrats. BUT, whereas Democrats seek to keep the poor addicted to government money so they can control their votes - Republicans seek to increase economic activity to eliminate the poor by getting them jobs.

"Not all members of the conservative party want to privatize the best education system in the world, but some of them do."

The worst school systems in this country spend the most money per student. Republican support vouchers. If the student goes to a better school, why shouldn't the money earmarked for his or her education go with them? Why should we fund disfuctional teachers and armies of administrative staff = if it doesn't benefit the students?

"Not all members of the conservative party want to send illegal aliens that have been hear for decades back to a land with which they no longer know, but some do."

Rejected as flatly wrong. There are Democrats advocating that also. In fact, it is hard to find a consistent message across either party.

"Not all members of the conservative party think that the arts and literature are worthless, but some of them do."

What an intersting statement. An artist or author who's work isn't good enough to sell on the open market must be a whore indeed to seek government support. Perhaps, in certain cases Republicans have decided to not support spending TAX money on art they find offensive. But I remeber recently seeing Democrats burn books by conservative authors...

"Not all members of the conservative party hate the rest of the world, but all that do are conservative.."

Well, what a load of crap. I'm Republican. I've lived in Japan, Germany, and visited every continent but Antarctica. Listening to some senators yesterday - they spout hatred pretty well. We hate the rest of the world... I really don't know how to respondt to such a stupid statement.

"Not all members of the conservative party hate people because of their sexuality (to extent where they beat them to death) but all that do are conservative."

Intersting that I have never heard a Republican attack an opponent, or an opponents family for being gay. But I HAVE heard Democrats do it. Both Kerry and Edwards attacked Cheney's daughter. In his day, plenty of Democrats attacked Gingrich because of his sister. I have heard Democrats attack people as fags and queers regularly. I think your hatred may have blinded you to these truths.

"Not all members of the conservative party are blind to pollution, but all that are blind are conservative."

Hmmmm, yet the very richest people in the country are Democrats. I wonder who actually runs those big bad companies. And, Republicans have spent more on cleaning up the environment and it is in much better shape now than just a few years ago. Your statement is grounded in misconceptions and lies.

Really, look outside the lefty wacko sites for your facts.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:51 AM

Just ignore that as I forgot to edit.

Posted by: grosseMann [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 10:53 AM

Kahn,

Thanks for saving me the time of responding to grosseMann's idiotic rebuttal. You did GOOD!!!While he could point only to extremes, the vast majority of my points reflects what is becoming the mainstream of the Democrat Party. Shortly after I started this list, I mentioned it to a customer of mine who is a far left Democrat. He challenged me to a contest. I came up with 50 while he came up with 17 (and his list was much like grosseMann's). Needless to say, he was embarrassed, as grosseMann should be. Of course, the problem with people like grosseMann is that they don't embarrass easily because they have no shame.

Posted by: Retired Spook [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 11:07 AM

This is about war and Peace. Ohio orrin, all of those things could have be done without war, most by law. And what the heck is a "patriotic Democrat"? If you mean Republican or warmonger, please take ALL of them away from the Peace Party. It is far more difficult to make Peace then to fight war. The Rightwing "Christian fascista" in this country are a danger to the republic. Peace

Posted by: steve at July 27, 2006 11:16 AM

RS,

If you read Kahn's response to the rebutal, you can see where it is complete rhetorical acrobatics, any and all of his "points" can apply to Republicans aswell, infact any and all of grosseman's and your points can apply to just about anyone, regardless of party affiliation, but I do quite enjoy watching you allude that Dems somehow exemplify the worst polarity of any position possible, while ignoring the same polirization of Republicans (as Kahn did)...somehow, in this steretypical view, you've forgotten that a plurality of the nation believed that your ideas were wrong, and expressed it at the polls.

Posted by: Third Eye Open [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 11:26 AM

“Nov. 2, 2004 The tires of 20 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed about 6:45 a.m. Tuesday, Milwaukee police said.” http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=271832

“10/5/2004 Shots fired at Knoxville Bush-Cheney office; no one hurt” http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm

“September 2, 2004: Huntington, West Virginia: Republican supporters in Huntington were watching their candidate accept the party's nomination when a gunshot rang out right in the middle of George W. Bush's speech.” http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200410051802.asp

“April 01, 2005 KALAMAZOO, Mich. — Commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan (search) cut short an appearance after an opponent of his conservative views doused him with salad dressing. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152175,00.html
“July 27, 2006 Angry Kerry Activists Lay Siege to Bush Office in St. Paul, Intimidate Voters” http://www.gop-mn.org/info.cfm?x=2&pname=seltype&pval=1&pname2=infoID&pval2=2533

“October 5, 2004 Protestors Ransack Bush/Cheney Headquarters In Orlando - 2 People Receive Minor Injuries During Protest” http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html

“October 12, 2004 The offices housing President Bush's Spokane campaign operation were broken into yesterday, the second burglary in as many weeks at state Bush offices.” http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002060393_breakin12m.html

“10/03/2004 Republican Headquarters in Gettysburg, PA vandalized again” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233963/posts

“11/07/2004 N. Carolina GOP offices vandalized” http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/47000

“10.22.2004 Liberals smashed their way in through the front door of the Republican office with a brick, and vandals egged the building. As of Friday morning, Flagstaff authorities were attempting to determine if any campaign materials had been stolen or damaged. Democrat-specific anti-Bush flyers were found at the crime scene.” http://www.searclub.com/?page=news-article&id=1152

“10.22.2004 Ann Coulter assaulted.” http://searclub.com/?page=news-article&id=1150

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 11:27 AM

Just ignore that as I forgot to edit? You mean, it was an unattributed cut and paste? That is low.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 11:29 AM

Since when is being anti-Bush the same as being unpatriotic?

SInce the GOP made that a talking point. Bush = America. Oppose Bush, then you hate America, want it destroyed, want to hand it over to "the terrorists," love Al Qaida, yadda yadda yadda. Pretty pathetic, huh?

Posted by: SeesThroughIt at July 27, 2006 12:37 PM

Very very interesting...

The Long, Sad, Violent History of Democrats'
Racial Hatred for Blacks
Perry Drake
May 2003

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/pcism/sad_history.htm

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 01:04 PM

“10.22.2004 Ann Coulter assaulted.” http://searclub.com/?page=news-article&id=1150

Fox News-

Anchor: This just in to Fox News......ANN COULTER HAS BEEN SHOT!!
For more we go live to the scene.

Cut to scene-
(Shouting in the background, people running back and forth)

Reporter: Ok, Yes thanks , well we don't have the details yet it's still pandemonium here as you can imagine but what we do know is that about 15 minutes ago two assailants stormed the stage here while Ms. Coulter was giving a speech and they shot Ms. Coulter in the shoulder.

Anchor: Well were you able to see the shooting clearly? What I'm asking is what type of weapons did these assailants use?

Reporter: Well they were armed with a pie. I believe it was a cherry pie, but I can't confirm that, It's only my speculation at this point based on the smell all over the stage.

Anchor: Well was it a semi-automatic pie or a hand held single shot pie? Can you give us any info on that?

Reporter: We don't know what make of pie it was yet , the perpetrators were able to get only one shot off that grazed Ms. Coulter's shoulder before they were wrestled to the ground and disarmed so we just cant say yet. Ms. Coulter did fall over when hit with the pie and as you know, with a woman of her ego and obvious bulimic stature, a pie to the shoulder could be very serious.

Anchor: Anything else you can tell us?

Reporter: We did observe that pastry chefs were on hand just moments after the shooting and they preformed CPR by applying cherries, plums, and raspberries to Ms. Coulter. After that they stabilized her with 100 cc's of whip cream and took here off in a bakery truck to the nearest Cracker Barrel Restaurant. As you know Ms. Coulter rose to prominence as the loud, garish, screeching mouthpiec....

Anchor: Wait!! sorry to interrupt you... but, we are getting some news on Ms. Coulter's condition, apparently she has arrive and I'm getting word now that she has been pronounced by the bakers as DOA. .....
Ms. Coulter has been pronounced delicious on arrival.
I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say this is an utter shock and a sad day for conservatives everywhere.

Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 01:35 PM

Kahn

“10.22.2004 Ann Coulter assaulted.” http://searclub.com/?page=news-article&id=1150

Fox News-

Anchor: This just in to Fox News......ANN COULTER HAS BEEN SHOT!!
For more we go live to the scene.

Cut to scene-
(Shouting in the background, people running back and forth)

Reporter: Ok, Yes thanks , well we don't have the details yet it's still pandemonium here as you can imagine but what we do know is that about 15 minutes ago two assailants stormed the stage here while Ms. Coulter was a speech and they shot Ms. Coulter in the shoulder.

Anchor: Well were you able to see the shooting clearly? What I'm asking is what type of weapons did these assailants use?

Reporter: Well they were armed with a pie. I believe it was a cherry pie, but I can't confirm that, It's only my speculation at this point based on the smell all over the stage.

Anchor: Well was it a semi-automatic pie or a hand held single shot pie? Can you give us any info on that?

Reporter: We don't know what make of pie it was yet , the perpetrators were able to get only one shot off that grazed Ms. Coulter's shoulder before they were wrestled to the ground and disarmed so we just cant say yet. Ms. Coulter did fall over when hit with the pie and as you know, with a woman of her ego and obvious bulimic stature, a pie to the shoulder could be very serious.

Anchor: Anything else you can tell us?

Reporter: We did observe that pastry chefs were on hand just moments after the shooting and they preformed CPR by applying cherries, plums, and raspberries to Ms. Coulter. After that they stabilized her with 100 cc's of whip cream and took here off in a bakery truck to the nearest Cracker Barrel Restaurant. As you know Ms. Coulter rose to prominence as the loud, garish, screeching mouthpiec....

Anchor: Wait!! sorry to interrupt you... but, we are getting some news on Ms. Coulter's condition, apparently she has arrive and I'm getting word now that she has been pronounced by the bakers as DOA. .....
Ms. Coulter has been pronounced delicious on arrival.
I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say this is an utter shock and a sad day for conservatives everywhere.

Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 01:42 PM

Yes. Is it Ok if I hit you with one? Thats why i put it last. Still assault. You didn'y comment on the slashed tires, destroying offices and SHOOTINGS I notice.

Violence is violence. That was the mild case. What about the others.

And what about that KKK and Democratic Party history? Interesting wasn't it - that a Republican ran against the Democrats on an anti-lynching platform?

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 02:34 PM

I am just sick of having to choose between Democrats (who favor government intrusion in the economy) and Republicans (who favor government intrusion into "traditional values" issues). I would be most grateful if Leiberman helped to found a centrist third party.

Posted by: Georgia Frawg [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 03:12 PM

I am just sick of having to choose between Democrats (who favor government intrusion in the economy) and Republicans (who favor government intrusion into "traditional values" issues). I would be most grateful if Leiberman helped to found a centrist third party.

Posted by: Georgia Frawg [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 03:14 PM

KAHN-
Did you even read these links !!??

“Nov. 2, 2004 The tires of 20 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed about 6:45 a.m. Tuesday, Milwaukee police said.” http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=271832


No arrests and no one charged. So you can’t say it was the democrats who slashed those tires or even definatively if it was politically motivated. However we do know from this story that TWO REPUBLICANS WERE REMOVED FOR HARRASSING AND SPITTING ON KERRY SUPPORTERS!!

“Also Tuesday, Milwaukee police were called at 5:40 a.m. to a John Kerry campaign office at 633 S. Hawley Road because at least two people were blocking the parking lot exit, preventing Kerry supporters from leaving the parking lot and screaming and spitting on cars, Sgt. Willie Murphy said. The officers removed the disruptive people, but no arrests were made, he said.”

Also I thought this was a nice touch on the part of Republican supporters.

“Meanwhile, Democratic Party spokesman Seth Boffeli condemned the actions of "overzealous supporters on both sides" that have gone beyond yard-sign vandalism.
In Wausau, Boffeli said, a man whose wife died got an angry phone call when her obituary asked people to vote for Kerry in lieu of buying flowers.
"He got a voice mail at home from a Republican supporter of Bush saying that his wife should burn in hell," Boffeli said. "There has been a level of incivility in this campaign, admittedly on both sides, that we haven't seen before."”
Classy.

Not a good start for you kahn. Let’s continue. Keeping score, number 1 is shot down.


“10/5/2004 Shots fired at Knoxville Bush-Cheney office; no one hurt” http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm

Again, no one arrested and no one charged. I’m beginning to think that republicans could have done this themselves to garner sympathy. It wouldn’t be the first time a political party has vandalized it’s own offices to smear it’s opponents. Just look to the early tactics of the Nazis.
Also what makes me thing this could have been self inflicted is that the “shooter” committed this act when no one was there. Why? Why not wait until some republicans showed up? And the shooting defiantly gained a lot of sympathetic press for the republicans. I point to this:


"Stuff like this galvanizes people," he said.

And this:

“A Bush-Cheney yard sign pierced by a bullet was salvaged from the broken glass on the floor and proudly hung on a campaign office wall.”

Awwww that’s touching. Very sentimental, in other words very republican.

Anyhow , NO PROOF IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS. Number 2 shotdown.

To be continued......

Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 07:22 PM

KAHN-
Did you even read these links !!??

“Nov. 2, 2004 The tires of 20 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed about 6:45 a.m. Tuesday, Milwaukee police said.” http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=271832


No arrests and no one charged. So you can’t say it was the democrats who slashed those tires or even definitively if it was politically motivated. However we do know from this story that TWO REPUBLICANS WERE REMOVED FOR HARRASSING AND SPITTING ON KERRY SUPPORTERS!!

“Also Tuesday, Milwaukee police were called at 5:40 a.m. to a John Kerry campaign office at 633 S. Hawley Road because at least two people were blocking the parking lot exit, preventing Kerry supporters from leaving the parking lot and screaming and spitting on cars, Sgt. Willie Murphy said. The officers removed the disruptive people, but no arrests were made, he said.”

Also I thought this was a nice touch on the part of Republican supporters.

“Meanwhile, Democratic Party spokesman Seth Boffeli condemned the actions of "overzealous supporters on both sides" that have gone beyond yard-sign vandalism.
In Wausau, Boffeli said, a man whose wife died got an angry phone call when her obituary asked people to vote for Kerry in lieu of buying flowers.
"He got a voice mail at home from a Republican supporter of Bush saying that his wife should burn in hell," Boffeli said. "There has been a level of incivility in this campaign, admittedly on both sides, that we haven't seen before."”
Classy.

Not a good start for you Kahn. Let’s continue. Keeping score, number 1 is shot down.


“10/5/2004 Shots fired at Knoxville Bush-Cheney office; no one hurt” http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm

Again, no one arrested and no one charged. I’m beginning to think that republicans could have done this themselves to garner sympathy. It wouldn’t be the first time a political party has vandalized it’s own offices to smear it’s opponents. Just look to the early tactics of the Nazis.
Also what makes me think this could have been self-inflicted is that the “shooter” committed this act when no one was there. Why? Why not wait until some republicans showed up? if you want to do violence to republicans why not wait until at least one shows up? And the shooting defiantly gained a lot of sympathetic press for the republicans. I point to this:


"Stuff like this galvanizes people," he said.

And this:

“A Bush-Cheney yard sign pierced by a bullet was salvaged from the broken glass on the floor and proudly hung on a campaign office wall.”

Anyhow , NO PROOF IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS. Number 2 example, shot down.


Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 07:31 PM

Vomitorium -

"Wisconsin: Milwaukee tire-slashing case ends in plea deals for 4 and guilty verdict for 1
MilwaukeeChannel.com reports: A judge on Friday accepted no contest pleas by four of five Democratic presidential campaign workers to misdemeanor criminal damage to property for puncturing the tires of Republican vehicles on Election Day 2004.

Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Michael Brennan accepted the pleas after a jury deliberated for a second day after an eight-day trial on felony property damage charges. The defendants had faced potential 3 1/2-year prison terms and $10,000 fines.

The lesser misdemeanor charges carry potential nine-month jail terms and fines of $10,000.

Defendant Justin Howell was the only one not included in the deal, and jurors found him not guilty Friday of the felony charge. -- TheMilwaukeeChannel.com - Steps Away - GOP Tire-Slashing Trial Comes To Surprising End"

Note - the attack was on election day and disabled get-out-the-vote ties helping to deny people the ability to vote. activiSo, number one is back up.

You equate blocking the parking lot with ransacking the offices?

And because no one was arrested after the shots were fired means they couldn't catch the person. So, number one is back up - look into it. And the shots were fired. You say proove it was democrats? Don't be obtuse.

You may note that in th WV incident - PEOPLE WERE IN THE OFFICE WHEN THE SHOTS WERE FIRED.

So, equate a few nasty phone calls and messed up signs with attempted murder, assault, denying voter access on election day, and destruction of our offices. You say "proove it!" It's pretty pathetic.

Now Vomitorium - I ask you again do YOU renounce violence against Republicans?

What about that neat little history of the KKK and the Democrats?

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 08:23 PM

As my favorite button says: "We've got charts and graphs to back us up, so F*&k Off!"

The hardest part about arguing with a liberal, is that you have to educate first. Educate him, while his head is spinning and he spews projectile vomit.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 08:26 PM

Kahn -
I'm sure that your little crusade means a lot to you and you’re prepared to overlook any bad behavior by Republicans while taking the express track to bashing the Democrats.Ok I get it. What’s the point of even trying to reason with you? You’re just a psycho pretending to be ex-marine. Believe me I can tell you weren't one., and if you tried to jion then I'm sure they baby blue boy'ed you. If you were ever a marine you'd know what I meant by that.

Now on to your little KKK / Democrat connection. If you had one ounce of sense and a history book around you ,you'd know that the people you're talking about were Dixiecrats. Try to learn something that isn't off a right wing website you dumb a$$. Tell me, how many times in presidential elections since 1964 has the south gone to democrats. Once. Jimmy Carter. That’s it.

The majority of the Dixiecrat politicians went Republican in and after 1964. Why? Because LBJ and the real Democrats betrayed them with all that pesky Civil Rights legislation.

Do you know who WERE Dixiecrats and then switched to the Republican party? I have two for you. Jesse Helms and Strom ( I may hate niggras but my pecker knows no bigotry) Thurman. Did we ever hear them recant their involvement in the KKK?...........I think not. In fact they stayed involved. But hey, they were awesome republicans weren't they?

In fact I remember Trent Lott saying this about Thurman just a few years ago,

"When Strom Thurman ran for president, we voted for him! We're proud of it! And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all of these problems over all of these years either."
-- Trent Lott, December, 2002.

Was that a slip up? I don't think so. You see he said something similar more than 20 years before:

"If we had elected this man 30 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are today."
-- Trent Lott, 1980.

Now let's do a little experiment. Two people, white males, go to Klan rally in the south in 2006. One announces he's a democrat, the other says he's a republican. Who gets their a$$ kicked? Anyone what to answer that..............?

Maybe you should ask The Council of Conservative Citizens. Google them and find out what they think.

Don't try to debate me on this, I was raised in the south and I escaped from it's worst elements and I obviously know a whole lot more than you do about that culture. While there is a great segment of that population that are hard working honest people, there is still a digusting element that polutes that region.
My father and grandfather were both CONSERVATIVES AND KLAN members and they didn't take to kindly to Democrats. They and all their fellow friends (members) VOTED STRICTLY REPUBLICAN and still do. (wink wink)
So take your tired little BS somewhere else. I know better.
Oh and my personal little message to you would be this, (everone else cover your eyes)


(giving a one finger salute)
With all due respect , GO FU©K YOURSELF you whinny little baby.

Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 11:57 PM

Vomitorium, Vomitorium - So, you still refuse to renounce violence? Why? It's just an anonymous blog. Why can't you? I point this out because it diminishes you so much and you don’t even get it. I mean you really come across as a ravenous mad-dog wacko. But, well I guess that’s OK with me. Pretty funny, really.

I’m not worried about you doing violence to me (you’d never survive that experience). I think it’s funny how your heat damaged brain squirms when I point out the REAL history of your party. And I point out how you act now. I gave a list of real acts of violence against Republicans including attempted murder. You came back with standing in front of a car in a parking lot. What a dolt. I’m sorry, I’ve been trying to stay away from insults but you really are an ass.

You're right - I'm a former Marine, not an ex-Marine. Catch the subtlety in that sentence. Not the obvious point. So was my uncle, and so was my little brother. His unit had people in that barracks in Beirut a few yeas back. But- whatever. Can’t prove it here.

But, well I don’t remember there being a Dixiecrat Party? Wasn’t that just a name for a particular block of YOUR party? I wonder why JFK voted against the civil rights laws? Massachusetts isn’t in the south. Was JFK a Dixiecrat? And, I wonder why his BROTHER the Attorney General of the United States worked so hard to destroy Martin Luther King?

For over a hundred years YOUR party suppressed the blacks. The Republicans and some Democrats passed the Civil Rights laws. Since we were the minority party back then, it took some crossover votes to get it done. Now what LBJ did engineer was “The Great Society”. Which was a program of addictive welfare and government aid designed to keep blacks subservient to Democrat controlled handouts. But, he made sure it wasn’t enough aid or economic opportunity for them to climb out of poverty. He engineered a government funded return to a Plantation Economy. Congratulations (I guess), it’s still working.

Oh - and if you want me to see that finger, take it out of your butt, OK?

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 12:59 AM

Man, you really are incoherent. I must have got to you. You can’t even admit it when one of makes an obviously valid point. It just makes you look so stupid. I mean, I’m actually laughing right now.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 01:03 AM

EEEEWWWW, No - don't clean it with your mouth!

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 01:19 AM

Kahn-

Three post? Yea I didn't get to you there huh LMAO!!!!!
All of this attack on Democratsbeing is just a cover for what YOUR party is TODAY. RACIST.

"But, well I don’t remember there being a Dixiecrat Party?"-kahn

"The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The party slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party, were often known as Dixiecrats." wikpedia

"After President Truman's endorsement of the civil rights plank, Strom Thurmond, governor of South Carolina, helped organize the walkout delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned with states' rights.""

"In the 1960s, the courting of white Southern Democratic voters was the basis of the "southern strategy" of the Republican Party's Presidential Campaigns. Republican Presidential Candidate Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to President Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas. Johnson surmised that his advocacy behind passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would lose the South for the Democratic party and it did. The only Democratic presidential candidate after 1956 to solidly carry the Deep South was President Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election."

"On election day 1948, the Thurmond-Wright ticket carried the previously solid Democratic states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, receiving 1,169,021 popular votes and 39 electoral votes. The split in the Democratic party in the 1948 election was seen as virtually guaranteeing a victory by the Republican nominee, Thomas E. Dewey of New York, yet Truman won re-election in an upset."

"Into the twenty-first century, the South has changed from a Democratic monolith to a majority Republican sector of the country with GOP gains in state legislatures. This change, which became quite evident in 1972 with the electoral success of Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy", peaked with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, and was consolidated in 1994 when Republicans gained a majority in the House of Representatives under the leadership of Newt Gingrich."


So you see WE CAST OFF OUR TRASH and YOU GUY"S WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PICK IT UP.

As for your hang up........

You sound like the Queen of Hearts, you assume things not there, then you make everyone recant it and if they don't play along according to your little reality then they must be for it. Very Republican.

You make me laugh psycho. LMAO!!!!

Posted by: Leftorium [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 08:58 AM

Vom - Nixons southern startegy was not centered on black supression - LBJ had already cornered that market. He decided that there were other issues that could get the southern votes. Second Amendment rights alone has lost you several states in the last several elections.

The Democratic black strategy has been to get blacks addicted to handouts, then call Republicans evil when we suggest that maybe economic growth and opportunity would be a better way. You scream "see - they hate you!" when we say - "hey, you're addicted to handouts." You pimp the blacks.

Tell ya what - look at the Utopias in this country where Democrats have been in continuous power for all these decades. New Orleans, D.C., Philadelphia, Detroit, the list goes on.

You are right about one thing - the racial hatred in the Democrat Party split it apart. You are wrong that the hatred migrated over to the Republicans (OK, a few isolated cases - but the ONLY ex-KKK member of the senate is a Democrat - yes?). And, you don't understand that your party is in the middle of a crisis like this again. A bunch of you are completely consumed by an irrational hatred. It is really turning off the majority of your own party which is not.

Still won't reject violence? Don't you understand how much that tells us about you?

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 09:14 AM

Vom - you sure ignore a lot of reality in your little rant. What about JFK and Bobby? No comment on "the Great Society"? And, what exactly about the Republican policies seem racist to you? It's a pretty ugly word to throw around - with nothing but rhetoric to back it up.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 09:17 AM

Leftorium,

I spent three years in the Marines and never heard of "baby blue boy'ed". Could you enlighten us?

Additionally, if you knew anything about the Marines, you would know that the only ex-Marine is a dead Marine. Those of us who are no longer in the Marines are called "former-Marine". However, "Once a Marine, Always a Marine".

As for the rest of your liberal rant, you seem to be silent when confronted with proof of Democrats committing acts of violence against Republican campaign offices. Did you know two of those involved in the Milwaukee incident were Sowande A. Omokunde, son of Democratic U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, and Michael Pratt, son of former acting Milwaukee Mayor Marvin Pratt?

A couple of more questions for you: Who fought in the Civil War to preserve the Union? (Hint: the party initials are GOP) Which party freed the slaves? (Hint: the party initials are GOP) Which party supported segregation? (Hint: the party symbol is the donkey) Which party ensured the passage of the Civil Rights Act? Which party attempted to block the Civil Rights Act? Which party advocates school vouchers as a means to allow minorities a better education? Which party is blocking school voucher initiatives? Which party has been in control of the majority of failed city administrations and school systems? Which party advocates personal responsibility? Which party advocates personal dependance on the government through governmental subsistence?

Posted by: A-10 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 10:32 AM

Leftorium,

I spent three years in the Marines and never heard of "baby blue boy'ed". Could you enlighten us?

Additionally, if you knew anything about the Marines, you would know that the only ex-Marine is a dead Marine. Those of us who are no longer in the Marines are called "former-Marine". However, "Once a Marine, Always a Marine".

As for the rest of your liberal rant, you seem to be silent when confronted with proof of Democrats committing acts of violence against Republican campaign offices. Did you know two of those involved in the Milwaukee incident were Sowande A. Omokunde, son of Democratic U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, and Michael Pratt, son of former acting Milwaukee Mayor Marvin Pratt?

A couple of more questions for you: Who fought in the Civil War to preserve the Union? (Hint: the party initials are GOP) Which party freed the slaves? (Hint: the party initials are GOP) Which party supported segregation? (Hint: the party symbol is the donkey) Which party ensured the passage of the Civil Rights Act? Which party attempted to block the Civil Rights Act? Which party advocates school vouchers as a means to allow minorities a better education? Which party is blocking school voucher initiatives? Which party has been in control of the majority of failed city administrations and school systems? Which party advocates personal responsibility? Which party advocates personal dependance on the government through governmental subsistence?

Posted by: A-10 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 10:33 AM

Still won't reject violence? Don't you understand how much that tells us about you?

Don't you understand how much the fact that you only care about violence against Republicans tells us about you?

For the record, I reject the violence you describe--period. I don't care who's doing it against whom. You, sadly, do. Kinda shows where your priorities are.

Posted by: SeesThroughIt at July 28, 2006 01:01 PM

A-10, He didn't get the former Marine thing. Nor the fact that we ALWAY capitalize Marines.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2006 07:13 PM

STI - No, I reject violence aginst Democrats.

I am willing to inflict it on the enemies of our nation. I aaume that would be terrorists and foreign governments bent on our destruction.

You sure read a lot into my request. Funny, got any examples of Republicans ransacking Dem offices or shooting at them? I was posing a question based on actual events. Your assumption is based on hypothetical events (that means they didn't happen).

Still though - you're the THIRD liberal here to reject violence against Republicans and that's cool.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2006 12:12 AM

Man, nothing makes me spot a really bad typo like hitting the post button.

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2006 12:21 AM

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