“Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity,” George S. Patton, Jr.

Watch the lefties dig in with, "but but but..."

Looks like we've got a Republican flip-flopper-ala "I voted for it before I voted against it"!

Steele can't win merely by running as a conservative Republican (which make no mistake, he is). So, he is trying to run as an Independent ---see statements where he refers to himself as an outsider and criticizes the do-nothing Republican-led Congress. But he's also trying to get black Marylanders to vote for him, so he also has to take Democratic stands- condemning Bush's response to Katrina and the conduct of the War in Iraq--both of which resonate in the liberal black communities here.

But as it has been widely reported in the press, Steele was recruited to run by Rove, and has received the large majority of his war chest from fundraisers hosted by Bush, Cheney and Rove. And he can't afford to bite the hand that feeds him. Thus, one day he says "probably not" when asked about having Bush at his side during his campaign, and the next -Bush is his "homeboy". One day he says his party affiliation is like wearing a scarlet letter-the next he is proud to be a Republican.
Well, he already has learned the most important skill in Washington- the art of double-speak. Steele is not just running as a Republican. Or an Independent. Or a Democrat. No, he is running as all three! LMAO! LMAO!

LOL...

I can only imagine their latest conversation:

Bush: Yo!, man-o-steele, howz it hangin'? I heard some vile rumors that you'ze been trickin' me out in da' hood.

M.o.S: Naw, big-papa, I was only talkin' jive to keep them fat turkeys off your trail, I would never back-talk you.

Bush: Damn straight...now get your matching bib and knee-pad set, and open wide. beeeeotch!

Steele may not win, (Maryland is, afterall, a VERY BLUE state) but I think he realizes that, deep down, most people respect someone who's not afraid to say what they believe, even if they disagree with them versus someone they agree with who tries to obfuscate who they are and what they really stand for. It's the Left's single biggest roadblock to becoming the governing party again. Even with the majority of the press and educational institutions on their side, they still can't convince a majority of people to vote for them.

During the 2004 presidential campaign, Evan Thomas of Newsweek bragged that the backing of the MSM would be worth 15 points to Kerry (and he still lost!!). Can you imagine the result if the press had just been neutral?

Third Eye Open - racist much?

Naw, big-papa, I was only talkin' jive to keep them fat turkeys off your trail, I would never back-talk you.

Matt,

Would you call tha remark by the troll racist? I would. Do you think it wise to permit that kind of racist hate on your site? I don't.

Steele is just another corrupt Republican politician who will do and say anything to get elected even if it means flip-flopping and getting on his knees. Peace

Retired--- I have a theory about why the MSM is not usually neutral- they know all the dirty little secrets about the Republicans, and deep down, being patriots, want the best for their country. Since most reporters are so well-informed -knowing a lot of insider information that may not meet a newspaper's standards of proof- I tend to trust their version over a politician's anyday.
Also, these days, Republicans are advocating suppression of first and fourth amendment rights.

Rev,

And they call Conservatives racist. I hope there are a few thinking blacks, who may be considering switching parties, who read this site. Coments like TEO's could just provide the tipping point.

And TEO, thanks; if there was ever any doubt what kind of individual you are, it's been completely dispelled.

TEO -
How bad do you think the ass whipping was that Michael Steele got from Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman on Tueday night? Let's take a look.

Michael Steele Tuesday-

The Post quoted the unnamed candidate as saying the GOP-controlled Congress should "just shut up and get something done," that the Iraq war "didn't work" and "we didn't prepare for the peace," that the response to Hurricane Katrina was "a monumental failure of government," and that "there's a palpable frustration right now in the country."

The Steele campaign on Tuesday confirmed to The Associated Press, which did not attend the interview, that he was the source."

When asked would he want George Bush to campaign for him in Maryland he said , "Probably Not".

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Let's all hear it for Michael Steeleing Democratic talking points. (applause)
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Michael Steele Wednesday:

"I'm not afraid of George Bush. If the president wants to come and help me in Maryland, he is more than welcome. I'm not going to turn my back on a friend. I'm not going to do that. I want to make that very clear."

I say a Flip- ah Flop, ah Flip Flip Flippity Flop. Word to my "Homeboy".

Colloquial banter, or blatant pandering to an overwhelmingly black electorate...we report, you decide.

"I hope there are a few thinking blacks..." -retired spook

You know with phrases like that I have no idea why more African Americans aren't moving toward the republican party? hmmmm (scratches head)

"I hope there are a few thinking blacks..." -retired spook

You know with phrases like that I have no idea why more African Americans aren't moving toward the republican party? hmmmm (scratches head)

Please, oh please Mr. Steele -- invite Bush as many times as you can!
An' yo, Spook -- seems to me that the Democrats pulled a fairly sizable majority in 2000 (or have you forgotten). More Americans voted for the Democrats and Independents in Congress than for Republicans too -- perhaps you should update your meds.
You can fool the chronic users of this site -- because they choose to be fooled, but as an analyst -- don't quit your day job.

You know with phrases like that I have no idea why more African Americans aren't moving toward the republican party? hmmmm (scratches head)

I don't much give a rat's rear end whether a single black votes Republican. I mean, the Donks solved so many of the problems in the black community over the 40 + years they controlled Congress, why wouldn't blacks continue to vote Democrat? There's an old and oft-repeated saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Blacks have modified that phrase as it applies to Democrats to: fool me 37 times -- keep on fooling me, heh. So while I say "thinking blacks", I realize, in advance, that there aren't many. That's not intended as a slam on black people; it's just a fact. The status of victimhood has been so ingrained in them by Liberal Democrats, that their brains have turned to mush. What other demographic group can you think of that views getting an education as being too "white", and not being "cool"?

I think if we are to allow people to comment here they should only be American and speak english!!

Which of course, that means banning people like Vomitorium and TEO = Nazi communist!!

Jeremiah

Home boy or butt boy? 'dem elections be close, bro.

"I hope there are a few thinking blacks..." -retired spook

And you criticize me? I hope there are a few thinking spooks. (retired spooks that is)

RS,

"What other demographic group can you think of that views getting an education as being too "white", and not being "cool"?"

--Hispanics, and a large portion of them tend to vote Republican

Native Americans.

How about the south, which has been overwhelmingly Republican for 20 years now, their graduation rates:

"The state with the lowest graduation rate in the nation was South Carolina (53%), followed by Georgia (56%), Tennessee (57%), and Alabama (58%)."

it must be all those ignorant white people voting Republican, year, after year, after year, after...

Spook: "What other demographic group can you think of that views getting an education as being too "white", and not being "cool"?"

That's definitely a problem as I see it. Granted, considerable strides have been made in providing more opportunities for our black neighbors. But some of the programs put in place over the last 40 years or so have been failures, and have helped to promote the attitude Spook mentioned. And it is indeed hard not to fault the Dems for a goodly portion of that, since they were the ones that squawked the loudest about welfare reform, affirmative action reform, and a variety of others. They may have been well-intentioned, but intentions alone don't make for effective policies (that's kind of a mantra with me). Then again, I don't think doing nothing at all is the right approach either.

“There's an old and oft-repeated saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Posted by Spook

Or, as the “Decider” puts it: “Fool me once, shame on me? Fool me (pause, pause) You can’t get fooled again”.

What a tool.

TEO, I don't know why I even bother to reply to you. Must have to do with your intellectual dishonesty.

Hispanics and Native Americans may have that same attitude. I've never seen it referenced in the numerous articles I've read about that pathology in blacks. Of course liberal education policies over the last half century have stranded so many blacks in failing school systems, that, in all fairness, that "uncool, white" attitude isn't entirely their fault. Now you may not like his approach (No Child Left Behind), but Bush is really the only President in my lifetime to actually try to do something about the problem other than provide lip-service to it and throw money at it. What strategy do you Donks have other than doing anything and everything in your power to prevent blacks (and other minorities) from going to the school of their choice? Hold schools and teachers accountable for education results? I don't think so -- the NEA wouldn't like that. Reverse the damage done to the black family through decades of liberal social welfare programs? LOL, Jesse and Al would be out of jobs.

Did your research on graduation rates in the South distinguish graduates and non-graduates by race and political party? Just curious.

I see that bastion of intellectual thought, Barney, is back with some DBD (drive-by drivel). There used to be a cartoon character named Barney Google -- any relation? Some of you older posters may remember him. Everytime I read one of Barney's inane comments, I think of him.

"So while I say "thinking blacks", I realize, in advance, that there aren't many. That's not intended as a slam on black people; it's just a fact. The status of victimhood has been so ingrained in them by Liberal Democrats, that their brains have turned to mush. What other demographic group can you think of that views getting an education as being too "white", and not being "cool"?"

Posted by: Retired Spook at July 27, 2006 12:17 PM

I think that Ken Mehlman should appoint you to be his representative to the African American community. I think the Republican Party can use someone with your "special talents" for conveying the republican "message"

RS,

Raising test scores is a BS way to educate children, all you end up doing is teaching tests, and leaving them no more prepared for college or the working world than if you didn't demonize the teachers.

What we need is more specialized schools, screw this voucher program, which is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to bolster flagging church coffers.

The key is making schools relevant, some kids are not going to excell in history, or math, or english, but we need to have a mechanism where they aren't just lumped into special-ed programs and forgotten, but poked and prodded until the teachers can find a subject or skill which they can excell in, bring back votech training programs, bring back shop-class, bring back magnet schools, and stop trying to accuse the teachers and administrators of failing the kids, when the federal system we expect them to work under is the flawed link in the chain.

I think the Republican Party can use someone with your "special talents" for conveying the republican "message"

Leftorium (boy, your name kinda says it all, doesn't it?) I'm not sure what gave you the idea that I speak for (or that they would want me to) the Republican Party. I suspect Ken Mehlman wouldn't like my lack of tact. As I said, I don't care whether or not blacks vote as a block for Democrats. It just has always puzzled me why blacks haven't held you Donks accountable for all the promises you've broken over and over and over. If blacks want to keep voting for the party whose main goal is to keep them down on the plantation, that's their problem, not mine.

TEO...

I half agree with you. There are people whose interests and abilities would make a vocational program a much better choice for them. We should definitely have them as options.

But I disagree with you about school vouchers. They also offer more options for students, and they should have those choices as well. If school choice was allowed, schools could specialize... some people are kinetic learners, and learn better doing things hands on (or even just doing things with their hands while being taught). Schools could specialize based on learning style, or ability of the students (currently, both those who are having difficulties and those who excel beyond their peers tend not to get the sorts of educational experiences that would be best for them... although more has been done to address the issues of those who are struggling), or the optional classes offered.

Retired Spook,

All the teachers I know also dislike (maybe even hate) the No Child Left Behind program. Their position is that they only teach to the test (which are continual) and do not have time to encourage critical thought.

I think we should allow the teachers to decide how best to educate our children like I let my doctor decide on my treatments or my mechanic what is wrong with my car. Teachers are professionals that can better deal with those issues.

All the teachers I know also dislike (maybe even hate) the No Child Left Behind program.

Sure they do. They're almost all liberals and just like liberals they don't like anything that smells like accountability within a mile of them

I think we should allow the teachers to decide how best to educate our children

Hahahaha! Of course you do. One teensie little observation: YOU DON'T GET TO PICK WHO THE TEACHERS ARE OR EVEN WHAT THEIR AGENDAS OR QUALIFICATIONS ARE. You DO pick your doctor and mechanic. Or would you trust just any mechanic to "do whatever you decide..." to your car? If so, bring it on by, I can definitely help you.

Sure they do. They're almost all liberals

You can't back that up.

and just like liberals they don't like anything that smells like accountability within a mile of them

Not true. They just don't want a President that skated by in college and ended up a drug addict to be the one to determine policy.

Regurgitation is not education. It's republican.

OR QUALIFICATIONS ARE

All school districts have minimun requirements for their teachers.

Agenda's? TO TEACH.

Um, are you seriously doubting that most teachers are liberal? Wow. You must have had a public education.

Regurgitation is not education. It's republican.

I should have known better. I won't make the mistake again. Thanks for all your brilliant insights - all zero of them.

It's amazing how far we can skin when we have people who want to just bash bash bash can get.

Ash likens Bush and Steele to "butt buddies."

I was sooo sure it was the Liberal Democrats who were elevating the debate here.

For the love of God... how can you purport to be for the little guy or minorities when you then dialetically rip any minority to shreds who is Conservative.

Want to recap what y'all have said about:
1. Clarence Thomas
2. JC Watts
3. Colin Powell
4. Condi Rice
5. Mel Martinez
6. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
7. Kenneth Blackwell
8. Michael Steele

The list could go on and on and on and on.

It's quite clearly, if you visit a majority of campuses in this country a majority of the faculty on those campuses are liberal. I'd argue that's because they are devoid of the reality of the real world. Like working more than a few hours a day, working 12 months out of the year, and never getting "sabbaticals."

It's the job of School Boards to decide policy on what's taught... not the teachers YOU STUPID SCHMUCKS.

The President has every right to suggest the future of this country can actually read, it's up to the School Board to decide WHAT to read. HELL, you should be pissed a F*CK if one kid in a school can't read.

You'd rather allow the teachers to just pass these kids on to "make them feel better about themselves" and to make sure it looks like the teachers are doing a good job. Perhaps teachers unions are sooo worried about keeping jobs for the failures amongst them they don't realize that they could help make these tests beneficial as is evident that they have been.

And if teaching to the test means kids learn MATH, and SCIENCE, and READING, and WRITING...then by all MEANS... teach to that TEST!

And back to the topic at hand. IF Steele agreed with everything Bush did or says, I'm sure you liberal a**hats would say he's being Bush's Slave. If he disagrees with Bush you rip him to part. I just wish I could take EVERY side of EVERY argument with absolutely no remorse.

“Um, are you seriously doubting that most teachers are liberal?” posted by rich

Especially the ones in Kansas that will only teach creationism, or the nuts in OK that want to start the school day by saying a pray to Jesus or maybe the school board president in Arlington HTS that wants to bane dozens of books. I can go on and on.

YOU STUPID SCHMUCKS.

Wally, I suggest they begin with teaching civility!

And if teaching to the test means kids learn MATH, and SCIENCE, and READING, and WRITING...then by all MEANS... teach to that TEST!

Unfortunately all you have taught them is how to pass a test! Not think critically, which is what basic skills were meant to facilitate. You learn to read for many reasons (keeping up on current events, to enjoy rich fiction writing, to follow instructions on the job) None of these involve selecting the correct answer from a multiple list. Same for the other basic subjects.

You'd rather allow the teachers to just pass these kids on to "make them feel better about themselves"

I didn't suggest this or even agree with it.

Perhaps teachers unions are sooo worried about keeping jobs for the failures amongst them

There are far more failures because of large class size, outdated or non existent textbooks, lack of support for disciplinary actions, and poor parental support. If there is failure it is because the best and brightest teachers don't want to live on a salary less than Ken Lay spent on his shower curtains.

Leftorium-

LMAO, man-you are a riot!!:

I think that Ken Mehlman should appoint you to
be his representative to the African American
community. I think that the Republican party
can use someone with your "special talents"
to convey the Republican "message".

OMG, LMAO! Spook -Left got you that time!

Barney,

Are you seriously suggesting the earth is older than 6,000 years? Public education outside Kansas I'd guess.

Rev,

"One teensie little observation: YOU DON'T GET TO PICK WHO THE TEACHERS ARE OR EVEN WHAT THEIR AGENDAS OR QUALIFICATIONS ARE."

--You elect school board members who select principals, who hire teachers...if you don't like it, then vote, YOU have the power to mold "agendas".

Secondly, there is a shortage of teachers, country-wide, so why aren't more conservative teachers signing up? Is it below them? Are they afraid no one is going to sit by them in the lunch room?

Willy,

"I was sooo sure it was the Liberal Democrats who were elevating the debate here."

Willy says:

"not the teachers YOU STUPID SCHMUCKS."

"I'm sure you liberal a**hats would say he's being Bush's Slave"

I may be a product of public schools, but I can spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

"how can you purport to be for the little guy or minorities when you then dialetically rip any minority to shreds who is Conservative."

--So what you're saying is that because they are minorities, they get a pass on their views? Isn't that affirmative action?

"I'd argue that's because they are devoid of the reality of the real world. Like working more than a few hours a day, working 12 months out of the year, and never getting "sabbaticals.""

--That is about the most ignorant stereotype i've heard today, you're really going to claim that a vast majority of teachers are slackers?

Work 10 hour days where at the end of it you get yelled at by ignorant parents who expect you to straighten-out their little hellion so that they can watch American Idol in peace. Take a job where the responsibility of the future of our society rests on your ability. Take a job where that time you don't get paid, is spent working pizza-delivery and as video store clerks so that you can cover the costs of paying for your own supplies when the budget runs thin...and do it for $35K a year.

I am not saying that testing is bad, ofcourse it is a measure of progress, but we need a wholistic approach where the kids who aren't interested in the three-R's aren't shoved into GED courses until they are 18, and then released into an uncaring world, there needs to be different levels or tracks we can help to find areas which appeal to them. No kid says he wants to be a drug-dealer or welfare mother when they grow up, we just need to figure out how to find the interest in them, and then have the latitude to build a program around them, perhaps more access to votech colleges, and transportation options to shared resource schools within a given county.

Ash........oh, baby buns, you really, really don't want to open that line of drivel do you.??.
Skated by in college and ended up a drug addict....??????????????
Please, bring that on!!!!!

Are they afraid no one is going to sit...

Still trolling, I see. Get lost.

Ash........oh, baby buns

Woo, I like it when you talk dirty to me Annie. You gonna deny the Bushmeister didn't enjoy a line or two? A fifth or two?

Ash-

"You gonna deny the Bushmeister didn't enjoy a line or two? A fifth or two?'

How dare you say such a thing?!!!! Bush NEVER did drugs. HE NEVER got a DUI. He NEVER got thrown out of a sports stadium for being drunk in public. Even though he said he did he NEVER did coke.

LMAO!!!
ash-
Does anyone else besides me think that Bush was back on the Jack Daniels when he was at the G8? I mean the "sh!t" comment and "feeling up" the German leader makes you think huh.

I've thought that more than a few times Leftorium, but the sh!t comment was a tip off.And massaging Chancellor Merkel of Germany. I know I'd have to have been 3 sheets to the wind to touch that woman!

Sometimes I think he's been smoking a doobie too, you know the way he loses his train of thought while speaking.

I've thought that more than a few times Leftorium, but the sh!t comment was a tip off.And massaging Chancellor Merkel of Germany. I know I'd have to have been 3 sheets to the wind to touch that woman!

Sometimes I think he's been smoking a doobie too, you know the way he loses his train of thought while speaking.

I don't remember which of the usual suspects wrote not too long ago complaining about Condi Rice not being "black enough". I wrote back asking how, exactly, she failed the blackness test. Too smart? Too educated? Too literate? Too talented? Speaks too many languages? Plays classical piano instead of jazz? Too articulate? In other words, I pointed out the inherent racisom in the Lib comment.

It is BLACKS calling Steele an "oreo". It is the BLACK political community trying to make race an issue in his campaign. And it is the BLACK Dems trying to rally the BLACK community against voting for him.

Rice and Powell were called "Uncle Tom" by the BLACK community. Why? Because they did not fit into classic black stereotypes. Who called them that? Blacks.

The Big Brown Eye erupted again with exactly what we have come to expect from it---get out the Charmin. Racist, sexist, crude, totally unfunny, and pretty darned representative of the allegedly black-friendly Democratic Party.

And Ash is the one who keeps calling things "gay" and now seems obsessed with anatomical congruence, vis-a-vis people he doesn't even know. I know I am not the only one who has noticed our resident troll population's complete inability to post based on actual thought.
How anyone could get to racist homophobic (or homo-obsessive) comments in a thread about a Republican candidate refusing to trash his President is amazing. Though proof of the paucity of thought in the neorad world of Ash/Eye et al.

Not that it's relevant, but....

Most of us were wilder in our youth than we are now. I've become quite the straight arrow, which must be a surprise to those who knew me in my hippy youth, or later in my party girl persona.

But that's the nice thing about growing up. Some of us, at least, learn from our mistakes.

If the Left is demanding that we only elect people who were straight arrows from infancy, please say so. If you are arguing that any youthful mistakes must be held against any candidate forever, please say so.

Bush did drink too much. He has admitted that. His drinking buddies say he never got sloppy drunk or obnoxious drunk, but they all did drink a lot. And on his 40th birthday, he said "Boys, this is my last drink". And it was.

Even his DUI came about because he was driving so slowly and overly carefully. He admitted he was wrong, said he felt that he was the least messed up of all in his party and tried to get them all home safely. He did not play "Do you know who I am?" but merely pled guilty and paid his fine and did his community service, very humbly.

If any of you sanctimonious whiners can say, truthfully, that you never drove under the influence, then I have to say you are in the minority. I am ardently against drunk driving, yet I did it in my stupid youth. I never had a wreck, never got caught, but I did it. And I learned from my mistakes, and I admitted them, and I grew up, and I quit doing it.

There is no evidence whatsoever, not a shred of evidence, that Bush ever used drugs. He was well-off in an era when a lot of young people who had money did do drugs. That is all there is to indict him. Oh, some anonymous guy said he saw him using coke once. Big whoop. Y'all didn't get your knickers in a twist when Prez Billy Bob's own BROTHER said, on tape, that he was buying blow for his brother, who had a "nose like a Hoover" when it came to coke. And I'll bet you laughed till your beer came out your noses when Bill said he never inhaled. So why the two faces now? Oh, that's right----you're Libs. He was YOUR guy, so it was OK, even when backed by witnesses. But you hate Bush, so you can claim to be offended by behavior that's never been supported at all.

And even if any of this were true, so what? Are you taking the position that none of you ever used any drugs, much less use any now, and therefore disapprove? Because I'll tell you right now, the level of delusion I see posted here on a regular basis by the neorad contingent can only be explained by lavish abuse of controlled substances, and such a claim would be laughable.

And, BTW, the only presidential candidate in recent history who flunked out of college managed, somehow, to flunk out of DIVINITY SCHOOL! How do you flunk out of DIVINITY SCHOOL? Isn't that pretty basic stuff? But Ash and Lefty would elect him in a minute, and the brown eye would pucker up in ecstasy at the very thought of having him back in the White House.

You guys are unreal. I don't think you even believe the crap you write---or care if it is true or not, or relevant or not. You just get off on spewing garbage. And then you whine because no one takes you seriously. This is not political debate---this is juvenile sliming, and you can't get enough of it. Aunty Ranty would be proud of her little parrots.