Anytime the "peoples" rights are reduced or taken away the Rightwing, "laugh(s) and laugh(s) and laugh(s)"; all Fascists do. Peace

Surprisingly, I went through 5 pages of the latest discussion threads at the DU, and not even a mention of plame/wilson. The serious wackadoodles must all be sleeping it off today. Not that that is much different from other days, mind you.

I haven't kept up with this much, being on vacation, but, I cannot wait to see if it goes to court, and Plame/Wilson have to reveal exactly who sent Wilson to Niger, as well as what Plame's actual status at the CIA was. Also, it will be great fun to have it read in open court that the Washington Press knew she was a CIA officer from Wilson's own webpage!!!

Oh, please, let Court TV cover it live :D

So are you implying that judge Bates is a biased winger shill?

Question: if it turns out he rules in favor of the Wilsons, will the wingnuts scream that he's an "activist" judge and should be hanged?

In any case, I don't hear any of the supposed gnashing of teeth from the left.

Oh, please, let Court TV cover it live

Amen, teech. I would sacrifice your first born to see Cheney, Scoots, and Rove squirm on the witness stand, under oath.

Reading my last post I do realize that it is a bit unrealistic. When did their (Cheney, et al) word/oath mean diddley squat?

So are you implying that judge Bates is a biased winger shill?

Though you likely wish it to be the case, I'd say that was not the purpose. Rather, it is just an observation that the scam artists known as the Wilson/Plames will, you know, actually have to present a winnable case, which most doubt they can.

will the wingnuts scream that he's an "activist" judge and should be hanged?

Worst case of wishful thinking I've seen since the 2004 election night MSM projecting Kerry as the winner.

I don't hear any of the supposed gnashing of teeth from the left.

The left is all about flash. This couple has served their purpose and will now be discarded like a used condom by the Left. If they persist in grabbing headlines, the Left will go into cannibal mode just like they've done with people like Lieberman and Hillary and destroy them - if there is anything left to destroy.

Bottom line is that the Wilson/Plame scandal is a dud. Like so many other duds the Left has foisted on the American people in the past 6 years. They don't have a case and the Left will now savage them if they keep grabbing the headlines. Meanwhile, those on the right sit back and laugh at yet another idiotic Leftist comedy. You guys make Peter Sellers look like a straight man.

I can't wait to see the look on the faces of these two partisan media-whores - and on the collective egg-soaked faces of the loonies on the left - when this case gets dismissed due to the variety of factors in law that won't support the charges.

1) Valerie Plame was never "outed" by anyone in this administration. She was "outed" by Aldrich Ames, a convicted spy, in the 1990s (under Clinton's administration);
2) Her position was never, ever, ever "covert."
3) The alleged "outing" has inurred to the financial benefit of both Ms. Plame and her husband to the tune of (potentially) several millions of dollars. There's the speaker circuit, there's the book contract, there's the cadres of partisan democratic operatives who are adding as much fuel to this fake fire as well as money, as they can;
4) Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is winding down his persecution - err - prosecution with extremely little to support the allegations in the Plames' complaint. If they hope to hang their hats on his findings, they'd better not bet the family farm on it giving them any momentum;
5) Sovereign immunity. 'Nuff said;
6) Despite all their caterwauling, they cannot deny that they VOLUNTARILY and very PUBLICALLY posed for the front cover of Vanity Fair magazine. How "in fear" could they have been if they were willing to expose themselves to the American public before the events of the alleged "outing?"

This whole sordid affair is the biggest pile of nothing whipped up into a frenzy of falsehoods by the left simply because of their unmitigated hatred of our President personally, his Administration and its policies in particular, and Republicans in general. Having allowed themselves to be put out on a limb by joining in the political hatefest, the Plame/Wilson duo are now busily engaged in sawing the limb off, thinking that it will be their vindication.

Good luck!

P.S. There's always the book deal and the speaker circuit to be milked for all its worth - surely worth more than a desk-jockey job would have generated in compensation. As for Joe, he can still grab a lucrative job badmouthing the Administration and/or Republicans for his desperate and bile-filled friends in the Democratic party. No matter what, they'll both be idolized by the left due to their having paid their dues in public. And of course, they can hang the badge of "victim" on their shoulders - always a sure way to be popular with the liberals...

P.P.S. Move over, Cindy Sheehan - the new kids are in town!!!

As of said from the beginning of the Plame/Wilson case, allow the chips to fall where they may. If the law suit reveals wrong doing by any Bush administration official, then stick them with monetary damages. If there are criminal actions, then jail someone. Given the amount of time that the press has spent on this, it seems unlikely we are going to find any wrong doing on the part of the Administration. We will see though.

You guys make Peter Sellers look like a straight man.

It may be none of my business, but I do believe Peter Sellers was a straight man.

Not that it will matter much once Joe Plame is shown to be the narcissistic liar that he is during discovery. The far left will sorely wish that this card had never been played.

The sWilsons were popular with the left as an imagined threat to the Bush Administration, but once shown to be liars they will no longer be seen as heroes. Without any cards to play, they should have folded rather than upping the ante.

Maybe their trump card is a Joker; they are merely drumming up publicity for Val's book. In which case they will be laughing all the way to the bank at the liberals' expense.

"In any case, I don't hear any of the supposed gnashing of teeth from the left." Aarontime

Not so, you must have missed my previous post on this subject:

"Seems that even the kooks over at the Daily Kos don't think Plame has much of a chance:

" Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982) (a different Fitz than we are used to talking about) pretty clearly states that the president and executive officials have absolute immunity from civil liability for any action taken within the broadest view of their executive powers during their term of office."

So based on this Supreme Court ruling, it’s likely that the case will be thrown out on the merits.

Your moonbat friends are not gnashing their teeth because they know that Plame/Wilson have no chance. As I heard one pundit say, this is the 'jump the shark moment' for the Plame and Wilson.

Don't expect to see Plame or Wilson out on the campaign trail in any hotly contested races. The candidates will want to put distance between themselves and these two wack jobs. This lawsuit will only serve to remind the American electorate how desperate and kooky you leftists are.

As a right-winger, I like Judge Bates' resume. The only problem is that the Wilsons might have a viable reason to get the case reassigned.

I would remind Ash that every lawsuit has two sides, which means we also get to see Wilson and Plame under oath. If someone in the administration "outed" Plame, it was ostensibly to defend the administration from Wilson's apparently false contention that Dick Cheney sent him on that mission to Niger. Only one problem - at the time, Wilson and Cheney didn't even know each other. So I agree with Ash that someone might be squirming, but disagree as to who it might be.

I must admit, however, that it is refreshing that the left, now that Clinton isn't the one testifying falsely, are once again taking oaths seriously. On the other hand, the left not only won't allow Bush and his people to defend themselves against an accusation of lying (such as dismissing those 500 pieces of Saddam's WMD we found), but they won't even allow the Bushies to defend themselves against Wilson's apparent lie.

phnxbmed, I actually hope it goes to court. To watch the Wilson's have to admit to the stuff I mentioned above will be priceless!

Old Joe, even ruminated publically which star would play them in the movie version!!!!!!!! Gee, who would have "thunk it"..!!!!!!! Media whores, both of them!!!

I've tried to find a reference to the Novak interview of a couple of years ago when he said that he was told that Plame was with the CIA by a top Dem official---I remember it as being the former DNC chariman, but it could have been someone a notch or two down that ladder. The Dem was kind of half-heartedly defending Wilson after Novak registered his disgust at Wilson's lying NYT piece, by saying "Oh, Joe's not so bad---and his wife works for the CIA, you know."

I just keep noting the Dem choices for their heroes. Let's see---The Democrat Heroes List reads like Curly, Moe, and Larry.

All they seem to have is Plame/Wilson, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and Cindy Sheehan. Talk about a rogues' gallery!

It is proof that they have no depth on the bench. OK, it is proof that they don't even have a bench. What they do have is on the field, and aside from raising Obama really fast to a status he has not yet earned, I don't see much.

And if their standards of greatness are defined by the Plame/Wilson level of either competence or integrity, well, at least it's good news for the Right.

It may be none of my business, but I do believe Peter Sellers was a straight man.

Peter Sellers a straight man? I guess you've never seen the Pink Panther movies where he played Inspector Clouseau or Doctor Strangelove where he played several funny roles, or the Bobo where he played Juan Bautista, an inept gigolo who ended up dyed bright blue or any number of other comedies. The man was a comic genius but never a straight man.

Don't forget that you'll laugh ONLY because your Psychopathic Devils.

Don't forget that you'll laugh ONLY because your Psychopathic Devils.

Hey, who here has psychopathic devils? I want some too.

Ash, I went to your site, nice photos. One question: was that you sitting on that side-view mirror? Man, you must be in your late 50's!!!

Thanks keef. Yes that was me getting a little sun.

Thanks keef. Yes that was me getting a little sun. I am in my mid to late 50's.

Thanks keef. Oh no, now you know what I look like! Yes it is a photo I titled Self Portrait While Sunning.

Crap. Okay pound me on the multiple posts. I swear I recycled and none of them showed up!!!!!!!!!Then all at once.

I have two Psychopathic Devils, and they make me laugh all the time. Mostly they tell me jokes about liberals and democrats, so I laugh quite a bit. Joe and Valerie may try to cash in, but they will have a difficult time in the face of national jokes about their character. Jay Leno needs to start the ball rolling next week and watch the dems run for the hills! ha ha

"I've tried to find a reference to the Novak interview of a couple of years ago when he said that he was told that Plame was with the CIA by a top Dem official---"

Now the righties will go off claiming they say that Novak got Plame's ID from a Democrat. They saw it somewhere... so it must be true. Can't seem to find it now, but I remember so it must be true.

Nice, Almi. If that bit of crap didn't exist before (which you can't find) it does now.

I'm glad to hear, though, that you realize Judge Johnson resigned in protest, as most righties think FISA is just fine with the runaround, and good to know that if by some miracle The Wilson's prevail, you will undergo a profound conversion, repent of all your evil neocon ways, and enter a monastery seeking forgiveness, rather than villify Judge Bates like you did Richard Clarke and G.H.W. Bush's "American Hero" Joe Wilson.

Right?

1. Joe Wilson lie: He insists Cheney sent him to Niger.

2. Joe Wilson truth: "In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office."

3. Proof: Cheny writes: "Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb. to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket"

Gee, obsessive deals with something he doesn't like by calling it a lie. Now there's a new tactic for the Left----not.

Sorry, obsessive, but I am honest in admitting I haven't taken the time to do the research necessary to track down the interview. But do not call me a liar. If you loonies would accept documented facts when they are presented to you, I might be more motivated to take more time out of my life to present them in more detail. As it is, having had it proved to me over and over again that the last thing you are concerned with is truth, I figure, why bother?

I saw the interview, and remember it very clearly. I had been unhappy about the news reporting that there was dissent within the White House, that Cheney was second-guessing Bush, which was bound to have very bad reprecussions, given Bush's commitment to loyalty. I had never heard of Novak, and was intrigued by his persona as he explained to the interviewer that this was a tempest in a teapot, and why.

The thing is, I didn't know there would be a quiz on it. I didn't take notes.

There was nothing wrong with Cheney wondering why the Brits thought what they did about Iraq trying to buy yellowcake in Niger. There was nothing wrong with his staff wanting to look into what might have been known in Niger about this. You all are twisting yourselves into such knots trying to make this all so SYMBOLIC and so MEANINGFUL and so UNDERHANDED.

Yes, I know what Wilson said in that quote. I also know that he was on Lardball the same night that Matthews and Mitchell went on and on about how Cheney sent him, and never corrected them. I also know that the story was carefully disseminated that Cheney had sent him, and that no matter when it was said or who said it, Wilson never denied it. The presentation of the invented Cheney involvement was clearly choreographed and coordinated. At any time all Wilson had to do was step up and say no, the press were all wrong, that Cheney had nothing whatsoever to do with his selection. But Wilson was coy, and merely blushed becomingly and let the others carry his water for him.

This was the whole deal. Yes, a few idiots might buy into the claim that Bush said something other than what we all heard him say---which was, of course, that another governement believed something to be true. He didn't say it was true. He didn't say that he believed it. He didn't say that American intelligence believed it. He was merely pointing out that other governments, with intelligence independent of ours, also had serious concerns about Sadaam's eforts and intentions.

No, the original damage was to be planting the story that there was trouble brewing within the White House, that Bush had gone off half-cocked with a lie and that Cheney, being so honorable and ethical, felt the need to go behind his back and check up on him. It was a clear Let's You And Him Fight scenario. It was an effort to divide and conquer. It was silly, it was juvenile, and it was desperate. Bush and Cheney know each other too well for either one of them to fall for that. Again, a few gullibles out there might have bought into it, while waiting for their millions from Nigeria, but it was easily explained.

One thing that really chaps your ashes is that no one in the White House took Wilson seriously. He was seen as a third-rate poseur, a minor annoyance, and was treated as such. The VP's staff found out his wife had pimped for him, they passed that on, and the issue never really broke the surface. It was petty. They were petty.

Most of this has been you guys having temper tantrums because no one realized how SPECIAL the Wilson/Plames were. To you guys, they were just so darned wonderful, and it irked you no end to have them summarily dismissed as being unworthy of attention.

When they got blown off as third-rate losers trying to get some attention, then the theme became REVENGE and an effort to DESTROY---more efforts to make these people more significant to really important people than they ever were.

Actually, I haven't seen you guys put up anyone I thought was worth a bucket of warm spit---but hey, they're your guys, and you love them, and YOU think they're important, and that's what counts, right?

Almiranta,

You must understand how devastated the loony lefties are over yet another one of their icons being kicked to the curb. Seems like every time they get some fool to stand up and take the flak, they sooner or later get proven to be liars and phonies and down they go. This blonde bimbo and her rodent-looking hubbie are just the latest in a long line of victims and former heroes to suffer that fate.

Some at the bottom of the cesspool, like those still trying to defend these two, haven't got the word from moonbat central to "moveon.org." They are so pathetic...