Matt,

If only Republicans could admit a mistake and correct themselves, they would not be so hated.

Is that the best you can do Ash? The Dems actions prove they see the deaths of soldiers as political leverage... you can't get any lower than that.

Hey Ash, (or can I just call you butt?)

There was no admission of fault by the loony tunes donkeys. All they did was delete a button to try to dodge the heat. Guess what? It ain't gonna work. Already many jackasses are hollerin' because this is hurting their re-election campaigns. See, what they're doing with that add is vile, evil, despicable, and should never have been considered for publication in the first place.

The fact that idiots like Rahm Emanuel and his bunch of haters are so out-of-touch with everyday Americans that they thought they could get away with this creepy stunt is borne out by the ad itself and the near silence from the left.

This add will be one of the big things that sinks the jackasses chances for any recovery of power in 2006 and likely into 2008 as well.

That party is in cannibal mode - eating people like Lieberman and Hillary and as I read today going after Biden. Kos has become an outcast and a laughing stock. His 0 for 20 record is almost as impressive as the number of seat belt extensions Michael Moore has to ask for when he flies on commercial airlines.

I worked on the JFK campaign in 1960. And from then until now, I have NEVER seen a party - Democrat or Republican in so much confused disarray as this bunch of Leftist losers. And It fills me with joy and amusement. I am hoping that next up is the fracturing of the lost ones into 2 or 3 warring factions with no hope at power for at least 20 years. I am stocking up on popcorn. This will be better than back-to-back Star Wars movies.

Sorry Matt,

Your feigned outrage over this ad is humorous.

But if you want to talk about using death for political purposes, I suggest you rewatch this ad.

bush stands on a pile of smoldering bodies at the World Trade Center and that's good press? The Democrats point out that 2500 American soldiers have died fighting an illegal,preemptive war and that's "wrong". Lincoln would be in tears. Peace

This DCCC ad is more devastating to the Democrats than anything the Republicans could devise.

the deaths of soldiers as political leverage... you can't get any lower than that.

au contrare, kjc, using the deaths of 3,000 in the Twin Towers as political leverage as your man George has done since 9-11-2001 is far lower.

Rev, you may call me Mr. Butt, thank you. You may be right about being in disaray, I don't know. But I'd rather be in disarray than of the party of Richard, M. Nixon and George W. Bush.

Can I get an amen, Rev?

Welcome back Scar!! You've been missed.

Glad to see your still on top of your game. As you will soon see Ash is just one of the many howling moonbats that now frequent B4B.

When your party is wrong on every single issue, I guess all you can run on is trying to appeal to people's primitive emotions rather than their higher cognitive reasoning.

Rev. Scaramonga, I know how you feel about this site, but you've got to admit, it is amusing to have so many intellectually-challenged moonbats cornered in one place. Sort of like shooting fish in a barrel. And, unlike the loony-toons, Leftist sites, you have to be really, really crude and nasty to get banned here, heh.

Let me get this straight. You are all offended. Wow.

It's OK to literally sneak the coffins back into the U.S. in the middle of the night, brought back by cargo planes.

No military fanfare. No brass bands. No solemn rememberences voiced.

Nothing.

Sure they get handed over to the proper family and authorities, but come on, it like it's a secret.

How about being offended when the families of soldiers see their sacrificed children come in by cargo plane.

W can't go to ANY funerals, "cause you know, you go to one you gotta go to them all".

A piss poor excuse.

Let the dems show the world what your government does not want you to see.

YOU should be protesting why we're NOT seeing them brought back with the honour and dignity they so rightly deserve.

You hypocrites.

How do you sleep?

Maroons...

tell me about it, raker13.
I actually live with these delusional idiots.

Ehm, Matt. How many "Contribute" buttons do you need? I clearly see still a contribute button on your screencaps and when you go to the website, you will even see two more "Contribute" buttons.

You know, Democrats are probably clever: they only need three buttons. Do Republicans need four?

Shall I ask the DCCC-webmaster to add an extra button for you so you will be able to contribute as well?

why oh why are you guys here? follow the Frawg example and actually turn to some moderation, instead all you can do is moan, complain and use cuss words in every single sentance. Your comments are crude, vile, hatefilled and just outright nasty. This is why no one wants to vote for the democrats. Im sorry but Im not about to vote for someone who thinks just because I disagree with them on a certian issue means I'm a sexist, bigot, warmongering homophobe. You guys say republicans are full of hatred, yet have even thought of looking in a mirror??? Mark has been extremely kind to you compared to your friends at DU, where if even disagree'd one iota your banned for life. But instead you take that kindness, throw it to the ground, spit on it then start trampling it.

You say your kind and caring???? prove it. Teenage, "delusional idiots" oh yes, veeeeerrrrry kind.

Ash, on numerous occasions you have filled your posts with nothing even remotely civil, instead its the same hate filled drivel Ive heard from the likes of Ted Kennedy, Barbra Boxer, and oh yes, the dear Nancy Pelosi

Raker, read above,
Congressive, read above.

Now to the rest of the few regulars on this Blog, please oh please tone it down, while I agree when you fight these people back, stop the namecalling. It's making this blog look very bad, and gives them a reason to start calling us idiots and the flames begin. Let them throw the first stone.

I actually agree with you neocon wannabe things have heated up on this blog. Of course you jump right in accusing me of "drivel" So I can step back and say okay let's keep this civil.

Can you?

Cordially yours,

Ashcanman

Matt,

You must forgive poor minnowd*ck; evidently he didn't read the post before linking to the video that outraged the Jersey Girls.

Minnowd*ck, how are you and DAV getting on? Have you moved to MA so's you two can get married?

Welcome back Scar!! You've been missed.

Yes, you have. Good to see a blast from the past. War

ABL, ^

similarities????????

not saying it though!

Jeremiah

If you war hawks have the guts, watch this:

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html

NWP- sorry if I offended you, this matter is important to me.

Raker

In England they have a respectful public ceremony for every fallen soldier that comes home. Here they hide them. "I do not see dead heroes" say the neo-con chickenhawks.

It's OK to literally sneak the coffins back into the U.S. in the middle of the night, brought back by cargo planes.

I thought you kookbats believed in the right to privacy. I don't read DUmmies and KosKooks so maybe this has changed.

Well if this is so offensive-why not get your pandering Congressman to pass a constitutional amendment banning the use of flag-draped coffins in a political ad? Sure would galvanize the faithful!

What's really offensive is that 2500+ of our finest servicemen have been sacrificed for Bush's folly. What George Tenet called a "slam-dunk" has become a dark quagmire that divides our nation and saps our military, emboldening our enemies to take advantage of our tactical weakness. It wasn't Reagan alone that defeated the Soviet Union- it was also an unwinnable war in Afghanistan.

Now to the rest of the few regulars on this Blog, please oh please tone it down, while I agree when you fight these people back, stop the namecalling. It's making this blog look very bad, and gives them a reason to start calling us idiots and the flames begin. Let them throw the first stone.

Necon, it appears the answer is no.

use cuss words in every single sentance. Your comments are crude, vile, hatefilled and just outright nasty.

Excuse me? Mark doesn't allow that. I've been called everything in the colloquial book, but I don't throw back, because it means I've run out of debate. I'm not interested in namecalling (unless out of pure irony to attempt to make a point).

You, however, call for people to be thrown off the boards because you disagree with them, a formula for a very uninteresting and useless board.

And have still dodged my honest quest for an honest answer about Numbers 5:27. You belittled me without reading THIS. As hard as it may be to believe, I'd REALLY like an intelligent debate on the subject, but so far, no takers.

As for the Democratic ad, the "Contribute" link is still there in multiple locations. The headline "Democrats Admit DCCC Fundraiser Video Was Wrong" should read "WEB DESIGNER WINS DEPARTMENT OF REDUNDANCY DEPARTMENT AWARD FOR 2006"...

NWP- If you're going to lecture us about name calling and cuss words-how about citing some examples? And please-read some of the conservative's posts as well-which some of us might find offensive-they are guilty of name calling and cussing a lot more than Raker and Congressive. Maybe its the entire liberal point of view and the fact that they are making valid arguments that you cannot tolerate. If so-just admit it instead of giving a lecture. Thanks!

au contrare, kjc, using the deaths of 3,000 in the Twin Towers...

I guess Butt is your first name and Head must be your last. It is not surprising that your relativistic "thinking" can somehow draw a line linking the rallying of Americans to fight for the defeat of terror in the world with a bunch of idiotic Democrats floundering for some image of shock effect - no matter how disgraceful - to further their political goals. All I can say is that if you truly think these are equal, then you are lost and I can see no reason to waste further time on you.

You may be right about being in disaray, I don't know.

You could knock me over with a feather. Somehow I get the sense that there's a whole lot you don't know.

But I'd rather be in disarray than of the party of Richard, M. Nixon and George W. Bush.

Yea, you'd rather be associated with Slick Willie and his hedonistic filth. You'd rather be associated with Ted "swimmer" Kennedy who didn't even need a war to kill people. Well, enjoy moonbattery with the likes of Cindy Sheehan, Babs Streisand and the rest of the loonies that now drive what passes for "thinking" in that collection of emoters killing a once-great party. But first, learn how to defend them - attacking the other side is no defense of what the Democrats are doing and in any high school debate class would get you an F.

Can I get an amen, Rev?

You can drop dead for all I care. You, and your ilk, are the friction in the system. You are dead weight. You are non-factors.

Oh, and PS: The stupid Democrats have pulled the ad. Hahahahaha!!!

Thanks, Winnohead, for the reminder of why we need to keep fighting this war and that GWB is the right man to lead us while we fight. That was always one of my favorite ads. Can you tell me where does the GWB ad ask for contributions? Aster all, Mark's point was that the DCCC linked the dead soldiers' coffins to a request for money. I missed seeing that in the 2004 ad.

The difference between the Bush 9/11 ad and this disgusting Dem. ad with the flag draped coffins, is intention. The Bush ad reminds us that war was in fact declared on us (not the other way around) and that our soldiers are fighting terrorists abroad so we won't have to fight them here. --The Dems. shameless ad has the audacity to proclaim that the soldiers in Iraq are DYING FOR NOTHING! Since this is a volunteer army, nobody was drafted against their will, where do these liberals get the nerve to speak for dead soldiers who risked everything to keep us safe. Then they wonder why we accuse them of not supporting our troops, when they jump at every chance to convict them in Haditha before the investigations are complete, when they try to compare all our mostly decent soldiers to the abberations of Abu Ghraib, when they gleefully get behind fabricated allegations like the Newsweek 'Koran down the toilet' story simply because they love to embarrass our military, and now in this ad they try to console the parents of dead soldiers by telling them that their child DIED FOR NOTHING! Oh yeah, not for nothing but for oil and Haliburton of course. Good one liberals. I wonder why we question your loyalty?

But I'd rather be in disarray than of the party of Richard, M. Nixon and George W. Bush.

Yea, you'd rather be associated with Slick Willie and his hedonistic filth.

Haven't gotten laid lately, have you Rev. but to the point Mr. Clinton's hedonism never got anyone killed, so yes, yes I would.

You can drop dead for all I care, Rev.

In so much as Bill Clinton's hedonism distracted him from dealing effectively with the multiple terrorist attacks on this country during his watch, it most certainly did get people killed. Bill Clinton was a weak man who allowed his most base instincts to lead him as opposed to leading. THAT is his shame.

Haven't gotten laid lately, have you Rev.

You prove my point. Filth, hedonism, slime. Wouldn't surprise me to find out you're a butt ranger too.

but to the point Mr. Clinton's hedonism never got anyone killed, so yes, yes I would.

No matter how much you and your pond-scum pals try to tap dance around it, 9/11 is BECAUSE of what Ol' Slick did and did not do. Bin Laden himself said so. Maybe if Willie wasn't so worried about diddling the hired help, he might have, you know, actually done something to protect America. Nah, that's not realistic. He's a draft-dodging liberal. What does he care about America? Or you for that matter.

Oh, and Mr. Butt Ranger, try to come up with something more original than channeling Pee Wee Herman with your, "I know you are but what am I" schtick.

Just in case some of you boot jacking lemmings who are the regulars here did not connect to the link, I'll lay it out for you.

Your government wants to hide the brave fallen soldier. Why? I'll ask again, Why?

If we are fighting a just "war", why hide the caskets.

To respect their privacy? Please. Cut the crap.
I'm sure there is not one family that does not want a color guard and some form of solemn recognition for their children.

Cut to the truth liars, your government does not want you to see the reality of the folly. You know and they know that if the public actually saw the caskets lined up, the tears streaming down the faces of the survivors that America would have a hissy.

So we ship them in the middle of night, undercover, in freight planes. Disgusting. Just don't sway public opinion.

If they have to interrupt American Idol to recognize the fallen so be it. Let us see the reality of the situation and deal with it.

Just don't give me that privacy line. Save it.

I am disappointed the dem's pulled the ad. That is just cowtowing to you vermin. Show the ad. Stand up in front of the world and everybody and show the result of W's little adventure/nightmare.

What a bunch of,

Maroons.

raker, at least pay lip service to intellectual honesty every now and then, starting with refusing to pretend your own words are quotes. You say:
"W can't go to ANY funerals, "cause you know, you go to one you gotta go to them all".

The President has said that he feels the families of those lost in war deserve privacy and dignity, and to have their loved ones returned to them in privacy---not displayed as fodder for political purposes.

He has also said that they deserve the right to grieve in peace, in dignity, and with privacy. Having the President attend a funeral would make it a media circus.

For those pretending to be oh-so-sensitive, you sure have missed the boat on this one. You've tried to set it up as a lose-lose situation, whining because the President does not attend funerals but setting yourselves up to rear back in OUTRAGE if he were to, squealing your rage at having him "exploit" the dead. Fortunately, this is as transparent as most of your other ploys.

And if you truly do not or can not see the difference between acknowledging the losses of 9/11 and merely clambering over the bodies of the fallen to make a political point, you brilliantly illustrate why and how you got to your side of the political aisle. It requires that kind of obtuseness to take the positions you take. Not to mention a dedication to simple mean-spiritedness.

Poor simpleminded steve. He says:
"bush stands on a pile of smoldering bodies at the World Trade Center and that's good press? "

Stevie, the world is NOT a popularity contest. True leaders DO care about things other than "good press". Your idol may have been poll-driven, but he was also not a leader---he pursued "good press" like a bloodhound, sniffing after every opportunity to rack up some ratings points, and where did that get him/us? Well, for one thing, it got us a free and encouraged Osama, not taken by the U.S. because of worries about "good press" and heartened by the cowardice of Clinton in fearing to retaliate for prior attacks because he was so much more worried about losing ratings points than protecting the country.

You grovel for approval from your liberal Bush-hating press all you want to, steve. But we have a leader in the White House who does what he thinks is the right thing to do, not what will make him popular.

Oh, BTW, Lincoln was one of the most hated and reviled presidents in our history. It was only the facts that emerged after his presidency that showed him to be the hero we now know him to be. But when he was trying to save the country, he had people just like you biting at HIS ankles and trying to undermine his efforts.

Your government wants to hide the brave fallen soldier.

Provide proof, incontrovertible proof, that your statement is true, or be counted as what you are, a liar.

If we are fighting a just "war", why hide the caskets.

No one is hiding the caskets, you liar. These dead soldiers and sailors are flown home to their families who hold funerals for them - and these funerals are public. There is usually a military honor guard there to provide a final salute and to show America's gratitude to the fallen troop and his/her family for their sacrifice. Some are even covered by local papers and TV stations. Nobody's hiding anything, just giving the families of the fallen a right to control their own privacy.

I'm sure there is not one family that does not want a color guard and some form of solemn recognition for their children.

And they get them, without even asking, you idiot. As a veteran of the Viet Nam war and a life member of the VFW, when I die, there will be a military honor guard at my funeral. My wife/and/or/children will receive a flag that draped over my coffin and a letter of gratitude from the United States for my service. All they have to do is notify the government of the details of the funeral so that they can be there.

You know and they know that if the public actually saw the caskets lined up, the tears streaming down the faces of the survivors that America would have a hissy.

You are the one being pig-headed here. Once the soldier has died, he is returned to his family with full military honors - only if they wish them - but full respect for their wishes and privacy requests. This nebulous "public" has no right to intrude - none. I would add that trying to force your way into their grief is despicable, immoral, and exposes you for the America hater that you are.

So we ship them in the middle of night, undercover, in freight planes. Disgusting. Just don't sway public opinion.

Pure unadulterated lies. Provide proof. I won't hold my breath, since you cannot.

I am disappointed the dem's pulled the ad.

That certainly doesn't surprise me. You strike me as that kind of creep.

Show the ad.

No one made them take it down. There was no court order, no military action. They took it down because the vast majority of feedback they got - even from their own members - was that it was hurting the party to be disrespecting fallen troops for political gain. I am slightly surprised that they had enough sense to take it down, given how many of their followers are creeps like you.

I await your proof, liar.

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html

(Rev. Scratchmyass, have some guts and go to the web site and watch the video, bumpkin)

SAN DIEGO -- There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.

A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.

John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.

Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.

"When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made," said John Holley.

John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.

"Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge," said Stacey Holley.

The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.

The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.

From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.

Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.

This is a military family who's heartbreak is apparent. Your coddling of W's administration is sickening. This is not the only family this has happened to. Barbara Boxer of all people came to help the grief stricken family.
Liar? I think not. Pull your head out from your rear and get a grip on reality you fool.

Wake up.

You can spin all you want you lemming, it's blantantly obvious that the government does not want Joe Sixpack and his wife edna seeing our fallen men and women.

I'm lying? Open your eyes.

You Maroon.

Rev. Sheitamunga, here's a bit more:

Ralph Begleiter, a journalism professor at the University of Delaware and a former CNN world affairs correspondent who has filed a suit to force the Pentagon to release photographs and video of the caskets arriving at Dover, said news images of wounded American soldiers have been "extremely scarce." Wounded soldiers, like caskets, mostly show up in the news only after they arrive back in their hometowns. Begleiter said the Pentagon has tried to minimize public access to images and information that might drain Americans' tolerance for the war. "I think the Pentagon is taking steps to minimize the exposure of the costs of war," said Begleiter. "Of course they are."

A Salon investigation has found that flights carrying the wounded arrive in the United States only at night. And the military is hard-pressed to explain why. In a series of interviews, officials at the Pentagon's Air Mobility Command, which manages all the evacuations, refused to talk on the record to explain the nighttime flights, or to clarify discrepancies in their off-the-record explanations of why the flights arrive when they do. In a written statement, the command said that "operational restrictions" at a runway near the military's main hospital in Germany, where wounded from Iraq are brought first, affect the timing of flights. The command also attempted to explain the flight schedule by saying doctors in Germany need plenty of time to stabilize patients before they fly to the United States.

Jump off your high horse pal, if you believe the crap your spouting you really are and idiot.

SMD..

Raker

Jump off your high horse pal,

I'm certainly not your pal, and your "proof" is nothing of the sort. Military dead are flown from the war zone to Dover. They are then flown - as freight - on commercial airliners. That is how they've been transporting the dead to their homes since Viet Nam. When the coffin arrives at the destination, it is normally picked up by the funeral home in a hearse and transported back to the funeral home for preparation for the funeral.

On the day of burial, the honor guard shows up to render honors to the dead troop. All that crap you wasted everyone's time with is your warped sense of some "right" to invade these grieving peoples' most private moments. Sick. Just plain sick.

And who the hell cares what some CNN flak says? They're almost as bad as you are, America hater - and still a liar.

Oh, and one more thing, liar. If someone needs to transport a deceased loved one from one part of the country to another for a funeral - someone who has never been a veteran - guess how they do it, brainchild? Using a commercial airliner and shipping the coffin as cargo. Why don't you demand respect for the thousands of those that are shipped around the country every day? I know why, because you're a phony, America hater, who is using this BS as a sick excuse to find fault where there is none. Go ahead, bop down to your local VFW and try that crap - I dare ya.

LMAO !

LMAO !

Better get your head out of it first, scumbag.

Once again, the neorads have diverted attention from the original thread, which is that the dems tried to use a highly emotional image, one of flag-draped coffins, to promote their political agenda. Not to show respect for the fallen, not to acknowledge the debt we all owe those who fight so we won't have to, not to admire the dedication of those who volunteered for military service because they love and honor this country and want to defend it, but to in essence denigrate those sacrifices by implying that they were needless, wasted, wrong-headed, and taken lightly by their Commander-in-Chief.

It was dishonorable to run the ad, it was revealing of the soul of the party that it was even made much less presented to the public, and it is shameful to see it defended here.

Not surprising, given the Usual Suspects, but shameful.

Reverend, a word of Western advice about dealing with "people" like raker--

"You don't never want to rassle a pig. For one thing, you can't do it without getting as dirty as the pig is. And besides, the pig LIKES it."

All you have to do is look at the level of raker's bile and venom, his absolute loathing and intolerance for anything more moderate than the lowest levels of neoradicalist rhetoric, and his total disregard for truth, to realize that he LIVES for trying to drag people into the muck with him.

Reverend, a word of Western advice...

Thanks for the advice, Almiranta. As far as that creep goes, I think you're right.