Mexico's elections have been netoriously corrupt in the past, it should come as no surprise that the vote should be verified before declaring the winner.

Only a righty would think that they have been corrupt for the past 30 years, but probably honest this year.

To quote a post from July 1,
"On the other hand, if the conservative Calderon gets elected, then the status quo will continue in Mexico - corrupt government and the resultant anemic economic growth which will still send millions streaming north."
Maybe the "corrupt government" part is the reason for the cries of "recount".
Either way, there has been no victory in Mexico, neither for the Leftists or the conservatives.

Why do leftists like this guy and Algore cry like little babies every time they lose? Gore wailed away until the Supreme Court told him he couldn't steal the election.

be careful looking thru the US left/right filter.

their "left" is waay left & the "right" is left of (our) center.

course most, including this site, fail to mention the other political axis namely authoritian v libertarian.

one should realize there can be either left or right autocrats & vice versa.

political science 201 now dismissed...

Wow... liberals crying foul again... Axis...read the article from the paper of your Holy City of Los Angeles...and I quote it here,

"In a bid to overcome a long history of voter fraud, Mexico has adopted a series of strict federal laws and created independent electoral institutions and a respected system of electoral courts that have won international praise. Anti-fraud measures include a single voter registry and a uniform photo ID card for voters."

MEXICO, in order to clean up crooked elections has a uniform photo ID card for voters. We don't even have that... and you can thank the people in this country who are crying foul over the results in Mexico... how hypocritical can people be?

Mark,

The election isn't even certified until sept. 9, can you atleast wait until they get a FULL count in before you start pretending you know what is going on?

Yeah Mark, maybe they're counting the dimpled and pregnant chads..........oh and maybe they had butterfly ballots. Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

You're right, TEO. We definitely don't want Mark to turn into a little TEO.

Yeah, Mark, they haven't counted the ballots from the dead leftists yet, or as the lefties call them, the absentee ballots. Give the leftists the chance to use all the tricks they've learned from the lefties in our elections...

Keefer, yeah, they still have to come up with those missing ballot boxes in King county.........er.......Mexico City. :)

It is always wise to suspect corruption when your opponents themselves are, in fact, corrupt.

Hick, quoting a lefty post to back up a lefty position isn'e exactly convincing.

Left OPINIONS are always that the source of all corruption is the Right, that the source of all problems is the Right, that the source of all evil is the Right, and that the Left offers the only solutions to the problems of the world. So naturally your position as a hick from Leftyville is going to be that the corruption in Mexico is the fault of the Right and having a conservtive president will only allow that to continue.

Lessons in the amazing and overwhelming corruption of Leftist governments around the world would fall on deaf hicky ears, so there is no reason to go into any of those examples.

But if you could just get past your rigid, narrow, inflexible neorad constraints, you could see that the corruption in Mexico is a function f culture as much as politics. You could see that neither man can make much progress without making some very deep and significant changes that go beyond party affiliation. And you could see that a hard-core socialist is simply not going to want to make any of those changes, while an economically savvy conservative is more likely to at least WANT them to happen, whether or not he has the ability to make it so.

It's not as simple as the Simplistics would claim.

But I did predict this exact response to Calderon winning---it the Left's fallback position. Anyone seen Gore lately? I hear he's in Mexico as an advisor......

The reason that this is so predictable, is that the left not only thinks that they are more intellegent than the rest of us, but also think that they know what we need better than the rest of us. That is why and how they can think that they are in the mainstream. It's obvious that it is not the case considering the collapse of communism, the failure of socialism and the reason leftist candidates continue to lose at the ballot box.

Almiranta,

If its engrained into the social fabric--corruption that is--then what makes you think Fox v2.0 "wants" to change anything?

I'm also glad to hear your "I told ya so", I wouldn't expect anything less than asking for a recount when the margins here are so minute.

Kimberly,

care to provide some examples of what you think you're talking about; or just trying to get some attention?

TEO,

Just what mean do you justify you hypocritical thinking by,by saying "recount when the margins here are so minute"!

Of couse it really does'nt matter at this point in time because what is done is done the people have spoken and obviously they must know somewhat more than YOU do and what is "best" in terms of our security!

So, in effect your opinion does'nt really matter in which makes your hypothesis very MINUTE!

face it there is nothing else for you to do, you have denied it, and worst of all your ONE JUDGE liberal's ruled in the same manner by going against the rule of law, and in my view went against the TRUTH which is highly un-american, which = betrayal of your country!

You cannot override the will of the people, PERIOD!

Jeremiah

TEO,

Just what mean do you justify you hypocritical thinking by,by saying "recount when the margins here are so minute"!

Of couse it really does'nt matter at this point in time because what is done is done the people have spoken and obviously they must know somewhat more than YOU do and what is "best" in terms of our security!

So, in effect your opinion does'nt really matter in which makes your hypothesis very MINUTE!

face it there is nothing else for you to do, you have denied it, and worst of all your ONE JUDGE liberal's ruled in the same manner by going against the rule of law, and in my view went against the TRUTH which is highly un-american, which = betrayal of your country!

You cannot override the will of the people, PERIOD!

Jeremiah

TEO,

The vote needs to be certified, certainly...but by all accounts, other than Obrador's, things went fairly smoothly all things considered. It was a tight race between the candidates and they battled it out to the end...it looks like Calderon won, and unless Obrador has rock-solid proof of vote tampering, he should keep his mouth shut. All he's doing now is causing political problems for the country he claims to love.

Mark,

As usual, I'm confused by your posts. You normally deride the Left for lacking morals, being relativists, and ultimately never judging anything good or bad. Now, you do a 180 degree turn (or a "flip-flop, in bushbot speak) and accuse the Left of being absolutists where they are always right and good and everyone else is wrong and evil. What gives? I'm sure its probably because I'm a stupid Leftist terrorist-loving commie pinko homo hippie atheist satan-worshipping wimp, but please, impart your wisdom on me on how I can be BOTH a relativist and absolutist at the same time.

By the way, can anyone explain what Jeremiah is posting about? It just seems like gibberish to me.

Mark,

You know as well as anyone that both sides are "lawyered up", whether rightfully or wrongly, this is going to end up in the courts, you don't pull out a national election win with 400,000 votes and not have it end that way.

I think the saddest story of this whole election is the gridlock that will happen no matter who is elected, neither party can claim a majority, so it will be more of the same in Mexico, and NAFTA will most definately be off the table now that Fox v2.0 is looking like heir apparent.

Have they suppressed the military votes yet like Gore tried in 2000? Have they tried to only recount some areas and not all areas as Gore tried in 2000?

As certain as the sun rising each morning when a liberal loses, they claim cheating.

Yet through the dawn of time we have countless examples of liberals cheating in elections.

Tameny Hall

1960 JFK cheating in Illinois / Texas - Bring our Your Dead

Cigarettes for votes to homeless in Wisconsin

Opposing voter i.d.'s for voting

It is going to be a massive undertaking to recount 41 million votes.

TEO: LOL!! Do you honestly believe I post on this blog to get attention? If I really needed attention, I'd post on blogs that differ from my views. Doesn't that work for you? xxxooo

Kimberly,

They don't certify until Sept. 9, that is plenty of time for this to run its course, and re-count it many times.

I know it's a lonely say for you, because that is the only time you feel the need to brandish your pointy sticks at me.

"its probably because I'm a stupid Leftist terrorist-loving commie pinko homo hippie atheist satan-worshipping wimp." steve

Finally an honest leftist...my search is over.

Steve,

Why don't you explain your reason for bringing your insane rhetoric here to insult people?

I think you should be asked politely to leave!

Unless of course you want to be forced to stop altogether from posting?

This is a site people who care about America and what it stands for not some insane rantings!!

Jeremiah

UPDATE:

At present the recount has the "leftist" ahead. I wonder when you will start calling 'foul.'

Trust me Jeremiah, Steve, amongst the things listed, he's also a racist, at least when it comes to Jews.

3moreyears...is Al Gore counting the votes right now?

Care to provide a link to your update 3moreyears?

Almiranta:
You said "Hick, quoting a lefty post to back up a lefty position isn'e exactly convincing."

I was quoting Mark, our esteemed host.
Who was only pointing out the truth - that Calderon is no George Bush, and should not be seen as the Great Latino Hope.

Here's a source, War Boy:

"MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Leftist candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took a slim lead early in the recount of Mexico's presidential vote on Wednesday after warning the country's stability was at stake in a post-election crisis."

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-07-05T214041Z_01_N28358335_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEXICO-ELECTION.xml&src=rss

Um, don't look now, but as of 3:00pm PDT, with 54% of the votes recounted, Obrador leads Calderon by 2.6%.

Sorry Mark

Its to early for anyone to get excited about the Mexican election. Unfortunately no matter who wins it will probably not be good for the US. Since neither party will have a majority, policy will probably not change much. Thats to bad. I was hoping we would get to renegotiate NAFTA.

Just off the newswires:

"Results on display at the IFE showed Lopez Obrador had 37.1 percent of the vote with figures in from more than half the polling stations. Calderon, from the ruling National Action Party, was second with just over 34.5 percent."

Another Leftist loses? We'll see.

In any case, saying "another leftist loses" reveals Mark's ignorance of the fact that leftist candidates have been sweeping elections all across Latin America these last few years. President Lula da Silva in Brazil was elected from the Workers Party, Chavez has repeatedly trounced opposition at the polls despite heavy funding of opposition campaigns by Venezuela's wealthy elites, the Sandinistas swept local elections in Nicaragua, the leftist indigenist Evo Morales recently took the presidency in Bolivia, a woman from the socialist party won the presidency in Chile earlier this year, and leftist presidents won election recently in Uruguay and Argentina.

Results of recount proceeding - Obrador lead holding:

" Lopez Obrador, the candidate from the opposition Party of the Democratic Revolution, had 36.8 percent of the vote while Felipe Calderon of President Vicente Fox's National Action Party had 34.6 percent, based on 69 percent of ballots counted."

Looks like the lefty cheating is starting to take hold.

Aarontime...you must be so proud to consider yourself in the same political ideology of Castro and Hugo Chavez. Wow, what a group.

Aaron, you forgot to mention that Peru told the Chavez backed candidate to kiss their ass. Chile remains a staunch US ally. Canada (yes, not a Latin American country) has a conservative leading it's parliamentary style gov't, so does the USA.

If the poor countries of this world want to remain poor, then bringing in more lefties will surely do that for them. It's no different than how the Democratic party treats African Americans in this country, yet they keep coming back for more each election. Why, I will never know.

there is no question that the left has duped african americans into voting for them for years. What have they gotten out of it? affirmative action, which basically tells them that they can't get ahead on their own, they need "whitey" to help them get ahead. Leftists, socialists and communists include thrive on "wealth distribution" but under those philosophies, the poor get poorer, the rich get richer, there is no middle class. I believe it was Lenin, who said that "Religion is the opiate of the people" but the truth is Leftist philosophy is the opiate of the people.

Again, why DON'T you repubs want a lefty running Mexico? Don't you think it would give the US a competitive leg-up in this hemisphere? Don't you think a leftist Mexico would tax THEIR rich to subsidize poor Mexicans so they'd STAY IN MEXICO? Isn't that what you want? They can't tax you. Heck, the commies in East Germany built the Berlin Wall on their own dime. Don't you want Mexico to do the same? Why should YOU pay for it when a leftist Mexican government would tax their own to keep the Mexicans IN?

It's total insanity to me, but isn't THAT what you want?