pull-out = re-depoly
abortion = freedom of choice
homosexual = gay
hate filled wacko = prgressive, liberal, or Democrat

It's all in the marketing.

"Power - it is all that matters to the Democrats."

Tell us something we don't know.

"They know what they are advocating is a surrender."-MN

Seriously. How stupid do Democrats think their constituents are???

Kahn,

Or, as the Mrs says, its all in the packaging...some people will buy sh** if its got a pretty bow on it...

The Democrats are defeatists.

It is disgusting!

It is vile!

It is un-American!

Two quotes for the day:

1) A leader, once convinced a particular course of action is the right one, must have the determination to stick with it and be undaunted when the going gets rough.

--President Ronald Reagan

2) We need a leader that doesn't do everything driven by the polls. That is the problem with our party and has been for year.

--Markos Moulitsas (founder of Daily Kos)

Yes, I couldn't believe it but the Daily Kos guy actually said this on television last week. It scares me when that guy makes a point that actually makes sense.

That Markos comment should have said "has been for years" not "year".

Sorry.

Except, of course, . . .
The troops WILL be leaving soon, according to the government.

My favorite is Murtha's suggestion that the forces be "redeployed over the horizon...but close enough to respond quickly in case they are needed"

What the hell does that mean? Just exactly where does he think "over the horizon" would be? The twilight zone?

Yes they will Small, but not all of them. That's been my point all along, we don't need these stupid politicians demanding we "redeploy" or what have you. We're slowly but surely scaling back our operations there anyway since the Iraqi's are stepping up to the task.

The whole situation is slowly removing itself from the political arena, it's only the politicians who keep bringing it up.

So, I'm confused, are you Bushbots in favor of General Casey and the administrations plan for a phased withdrawal over the next 2-3 years and the redeployment to Kuwait of a rapid response team? I know, I know, the Democrats suggested it first, so it MUST be cowardly, stupid, and evil. However, Dear Leader now apparently supports just such a plan. (Although last week he was against it, almost makes him a flip-flopper, huh?) If Dear Leader is for it, it must be manly, right, and brilliant. What to do, what to do.... how does the bushbot compute this???

Hick...they will be leaving soon in military terms. In Vietnam we were there for 14 years and over 50000 dead.

Yet somehow Murtha and Kennedy compare this to Vietnam were we've been there 3 years and 2,500 dead.

Yeah, what STRIKING similiarities...if you're an idiot.

Yeah, Clinton really "slipped" in to the WH - he only beat your boy by 6 points. And then, for the next election, he "slipped" in again - this time by a "mere" 8 points. And of course we know who garnered my popular votes in the *next* election - why, that would be Al Gore. Damn those pesky Democrats.

The best War Boy can do to pump up this debacle in Iraq is by saying - well, umm, it hasn't been as bad as Vietnam. What a ringing endorsement.

By the way, Steve is right - you guys sure must be getting tied up with this whole "cut and run" (gotta love their sayings) strategy being endorsed by ... General Casey.

Look, when you can't even define the enemy, you're never gonna be able to define victory. There is no victory here - nobody is going to win. We've avenged 3,000 of our civilian deaths with 50,000 Iraqis - do you guys feel better now that we've flexed our muscle?

The pathetic democratic party has sold out this country over and over, endangering the security of our loved ones, for votes, for House seats. It doesn't get any lower than that. The democratic party is nothing more than the political wing of al queda with abortion thrown in. I don't understand why anyone would want to be a part of that sick, pathetic party, or even admit being a part of it. I am so down on the dem party it is unreal. The entire dem party should be tried for treason.

"So, I'm confused, are you Bushbots in favor of General Casey and the administrations plan for a phased withdrawal over the next 2-3 years"

The fact, one of the few you seem to know, of your confused mind is displayed everytime you write. I dont give a damn what name you put on it, yes 2-3, 3-5, whatever seems to make sense for an orderly withdrawl that maintains the level of security the Iraqi Gov is OK with and we that we agree on is fine by most Consertatives I'll wager.

"I know, the Democrats suggested it first, so it MUST be cowardly, stupid, and evil."

What the h*** do you think the plan was? Stay forever? Oh wait they didnt telegraph our plans personally to you and osama so that means they never had them. Oh yea I know the right is soooo stupid that we never ever considered that an option. You Dims are so smart, gosh were lucky. Your ability to form a winning military stategy is astounding

"Dear Leader now apparently supports just such a plan"

Bush just didnt give the oposition the goalpost. It must be a novel concept to the lib mind...dont tell the enemy what your going to do and have secret programs to catch them before they strike.

Can we play poker sometime I'd love to know whats in your hand before I bet. Surely using your "logic" I have a right to know.

"how does the bushbot compute this?"

By using something called a brain...you know, on your neck, that lump above your ears...feckin moron. Peace MF

Post: Ex-CIA agent's warnings on WMD validity ignored

Sunday, June 25, 2006; Posted: 10:36 a.m. EDT (14:36 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday.

CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to the labs from a classified draft of a U.N. speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell because he recognized the source as a defector, code-named Curveball, who was suspected to be mentally unstable and a liar.

Drumheller told the Post he was surprised when a few days later, on February 5, 2003, Powell told the U.N. Security Council that "we have first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and rails."

"We thought we had taken care of the problem, but I turn on the television and there it was again," said Drumheller, the CIA's European operations chief before retiring last year.

He described repeated attempts to alert top CIA officials to concerns about the defector before Powell's speech.

He said he also issued warnings before President Bush's January 28, 2003, State of the Union speech that included Bush statements about Iraq's mobile labs "designed to produce germ warfare agents."

The warnings had no visible impact on then-CIA Director George Tenet, the paper said, who vouched for the accuracy of the mobile lab claim in briefing Powell before his speech. Tenet now says he learned of the problems with Curveball much later and received no warnings from Drumheller or anyone else.

The influence of Curveball in U.S. claims about Iraqi bioweapons programs has been described in reports by the Los Angeles Times and a commission on U.S. intelligence failures, the Post said, but Drumheller's first-hand account added new details of the CIA's embrace of a source whose credibility was unraveling.

The paper said the source was living in Germany, where the country's foreign intelligence service had granted him asylum and immigration permits for his family in return for details on one of President Saddam Hussein's long-rumored weapons of mass destruction programs.

The German intelligence agency BND passed the defector's stories to the Americans, but when pressed by the CIA it said nothing had been verified. Drumheller said a German official told him at one point, "I think the guy is a fabricator."

"He said, 'We also think he has psychological problems. We could never validate his reports,"' Drumheller told the Post.

When Drumheller relayed the warnings, it sparked a series of contentious meetings with other CIA analysts who believed reports from the source, whose name has never been revealed.

Maffie

Clinton won because of Perot...period! In neither election could he get 50%. 31 years since the last Democrat got 50%...boy does that speak volumes.

And no young man, it is you young inbreds that compare this war to a quagmire and Vietnam. I'm just showing how absurd you are with those comparisons.

Axis...hey that's great that former CIA officer supposedly did this.

His boss, George Tenet, said it was a SLAM DUNK that WMD were there. Oh, and so did the British. Oh, and so did the Russians. Oh, and so did the Israelis. Oh, and so did the Clinton Administration. Oh, and so did the Czechs. Oh, and so did the UN.

We can go on and on. You will always always always find people on both sides leading up to any decision. I'm sure there were plenty of people in 1991 in the military that said don't attack Saddam. I'm sure there were plenty of people in 1941 that said don't declare war on Japan.

The only purpose these people serve is for complete losers who like to play Monday Morning Quarterback and try to prop these people up like they were decision makers. Which they weren't.

MOVE ON. The decision has been made. Get behind our troops so we can win this thing and bring them home. Your constant bitching every day about the past is absurd and it is why so many people hate you jagoffs.

JFK would NOT be nominated by today's dems (I'm not referring to the wannabe lieutenant).

The fact that the fiscally conservative yet socially tolerant, pro-biz & defense dems are marginalized is the reason I left the party & became an indie.

Clinton was only a faint echo of what it meant to be a Classic Liberal.

Sadly that party no longer exists.

ZootAllure,

I guess I've got my answer to how the bushbot computes this 180 degree turn: uncontrolled rage!

If your head hasn't exploded yet from conflicting inputs, consider this: Murtha's proposal for a rapid reaction force redeployed over the horizon (you know, the proposal you all have been mocking for the last several months) bears an uncanny resemblence to Gen. Casey's proposal for a rapid reaction force based in Kuwait. Could it be that Murtha actually was talking to friends in the Pentagon before he spoke???? The horror, the horror!!!!

MOVE ON. The decision has been made. Get behind our troops so we can win this thing and bring them home. Your constant bitching every day about the past is absurd and it is why so many people hate you jagoffs.

Translation: Forget that we went into this war for no reason. No reason to hold anyone accountable here. What's done is done. Best to just forget about it.

Wrong Jon Parker. We went in for many reasons including WMD (which have been found), including removing Hussein (which has been done), including putting a democracy into the Middle East (which is ongoing), etc, etc.

You act on the intelligence you have at the time...that's what we did. You guys are so bitter it's palpable.

Ohio,

Funny you bring up parties that no longer exist. I remember buying into the ideal of a small government party who would stand up for the civil rights; not a party who rubberstamps everything the president wants, engages in drunken-sailor spending, has more corrupt skeletons in their closet than Clinton and Nixon combined, and then stands by nodding their head while unprecedented power is aggreagted in the executive branch. I would argue the Republican party doesn't exist anymore

"I guess I've got my answer to how the bushbot computes this 180 degree turn: uncontrolled rage!"

Steve, your a moron. What few things I post I, for the most part, refrain in attacking people personally but in your case I make an exception. Your positions and arguements are facile, superficial and either willfully ignorant or staggeringly stupid. Dont worry your little self over what you may perceive,in that shallow pool you call a mind, about my anger. I'll admit it kept me up last night for 12 seconds but I got over it. Peace MF

One last thing...Okinawa...Kuwiat...look at a map pinhead.

PinkEye, you surely aren't trying to convince us that you ever "bought into" anything remotely Republican, are you? That's the same lame ploy attempted over and over again---"The "I was a Republican till....." ploy.

I am not a Limbaugh fan---too redundant, too dependent on emotion instead of hard news----but every now and then you guys remind me of something he has proved to be correct on: The Seminar Caller. You guys are Seminar Posters.

Murtha originally suggested that Okinawa would just be a short hop from Bahgdad. Now that he has been so thoroughly taken to task on his ignorance of geography and military deployment, he is backpedaling to some vauge unspecified "over the horizon" place. We should count our blessings---he could have said "over the rainbow".

There have been plenty of very technical, very learned, posts about the lunacy of thinking we could get troops to Iraq from Okinawa in any decent time frame, completely destroying any claim that Murtha's long-ago service gives him any credibility in matters military.

axis of ignorance is, as usual, picking and choosing who to believe, based on who shores up his very unstable belief system. When dozens of CIA agents over a period of many years say Sadaam is stockpiling WMD, well, of course, they are either lying or inept or something that allows the little nit to simply dismiss them.

But one CIA guy who is posturing as a hero who was simply ignored by his superiors, who were not nearly as smart as he was, is suddenly an unimpeachable source. THIS CIA guy is the real thing! THIS one is smart, right, and truthful! Guess that old crystal ball is working overtime this week, giving axis the ability to discern, from his undisclosed location (I'm on record for voting for his mom's basement) which CIA guys are worth listening to and which are just idiots.