DO NOT BE A FOOL!...Hillary might have a shot at the nomination...Hillary IS ONLY SUPPORTING THE WAR FOR THIS VERY REASON - TO BECOME PRESIDENT - you can never trust what she says or what she votes on - everything is politically motivated and you fell right into her plan - support the war - get the moderates and some conservatives - then I will be the front runner, duh!

Mark,

You continue to 'misunderestimate' the Dems, man.

The mere fact that you're giving election advice shows me that the folks on the right are scared. Infact so scared they have started to attack the dark horse candidates, and have totally written off a Hillary.

The standard republicrat noise machine is working overtime to paint anyone who isn't sucking at big business' teat, to be some radical, american hating socialist who is going to burn down your church for more greenspace. The lieberman debacle yesterday was a perfect example; instead of smirking at the idea that a liberal stronghold is fracturing for the first time in nearly a decade, you go on some skreed about an ex politician, who has made a little movie questioning the stupid fantasy that many on the right believe that humans are too insignificant to soil their own beds, more silly neo-classical thinking about self-adjusting ANYTHING, what lazy asses!

American plurality and majorities, agree, that Iraq is a devience from the real work that needs to be done today. Personal and public debt loads are soaring, spending is laughable, our brave soldiers are being left to twist in the wind in a fight that wasn't ours to fight, we have let the most wanted man in the world get away, because we wanted to beat up on a country who actually had a military to 'shock and awe'.

So the whole while liberals and progressives have cowered at the feet of fake patriotism, while we see the bombings continue, and the death go on undaunted.

Well, I am here to say that we have woken from our slumber, and we won't fight your wars anymore. The left isn't going to buy into your top-down economic model, we aren't going to buy into trashing long held treaties or national morals. We will no longer buy into the 'with us or against us' fake paradigmn; and we aren't going to buy into some little twit and his handlers making things up as they go. Say good-bye to the trough, because we are sending these death-merchants to the sausage factory.

That'll do pig, that'll do

lefties never did "fight wars" TEO. ur preferred blogs show a clear ignorance of military policy, history, & veteran affairs.

moreover, since the modern dem party has marginalized conservative dems (Classic Liberals), ur party is virtually devoid of anyone who can authoritatively speak to these matters.

that's why y'all soil ur panties in glee over a murtha & lieutenant kerry.

But dont dare question Third Eye Open's patriotism

CJ,

I'm not advocating the death of more american soldiers in a war we have no exit plan from.

You should be ashamed, your anti-american, anti-potriotic view are responsible for the death of 2500 brave soldiers, bring them home, and lets deal with the real threats to our security.

Mark,

You're ignoring something here. Gore, Feingold, Kerry, and Edwards... none of these guys are 'front runners', there are no front runners at this point. Warner and Clinton are both to the right of these other guys on Iraq.

The Dems are right now having a discussion about Iraq: what's gone wrong, why we're there, and how best to proceed further. What is amazing is that you bushbots deride the Dems for having this discussion, apparently believing that marching lockstep behind whatever position Bush takes is the best thing for our country. How can this be?

We are not winning the war, we are not losing the war. The truth is right in the messy middle. The most important thing we as a nation can do right now is critically analyze the entire war and figure out the best way to proceed. Yet your only recommendation is 'clap louder'. Its quite clear that your only concern here is the political ramifications of this war, not the safety and prosperity of our nation.

Stop playing politics with Iraq and help us find the best way out of this.

You are a FOOL to think that Hillary is behind this war.
She is a liar who will say anything to get elected.
She's smart - she's got everyone saying that she supports the war - when she is lying through her teeth.

At a given point in time ALL of the BS will be seen as just that. War is not a solution, it only helps protect or increase the wealth of those who call for it. When 90% of the worlds wealth is owned by only 10% of it's population, wars are used to maintain the status quo and if that requires killing a third of the population, so be it. "War is over, if you want it." Peace

Um, the exit plan is to exit when the country has stabalized and the Iraqi government no longer needs us.

I thought it was a mistake to go into Iraq, and believed the predictions that we would be getting ourselves into a bloody mess if we went in there. The predictions turned out to be true, and the Bush-Cheney assertions of mass weapons of destruction turned out to be false. But now that we are in there, I don't believe we should just pull out of the country immediately or set unrealistic timetables. So Hillary Clinton is probably closest to my view on what we should do about Iraq now.

Third Eye Spewing is at it again, though this ramble makes no more sense than his others. To this moonbat, a comment on the choices available to Democrats is proof, PROOF DON'T YOU KNOW of absolute terror on the right.

Of course, when the Third Eye opens up, we all know what is going to come out. And it is always hatred, paranoia, and a bizarre sense of righteousness. It's always predigested, and it's always stinky.

Stephen is stuck on the Lefty mantra that we only went into Iraq for WMD, and also that we never found any. Don't let any pesky facts trip you up, Stephen. Be a shame to have to deal with the many speeches from the top Administration officials, including the President himself, giving all those other reasons to invade. Be downright annoying to have to consider what we have found in the country, and what we have learned about what was removed.

But you ought to stick with that sense of superiority at your prediction that this would be a "bloody mess"---guess you figured that would make it different from every other war in the history of humanity. Clearly you had a better vision of war than those who have actually fought, those generals who are the veterans of so many conflicts over the past forty years or so. I guess THEY didn't realize that war is ALWAYS a "bloody mess". And for God's sake don't let anyone remind you of the Bush speeches in which he warned us all that this would be a long and difficult struggle, lasting decades or even generations, and would have a high cost in lives as well as money. It's so much more fun to feel smarter than everyone else, which of course can't happen if you let facts intrude on your fantasies.

It is a fact, not a fear-driven prelude to panic but simply a fact, that the Democratic Party is at a crossroads right now. The far left faction is driving the bus, and the rest of the party has to decide what to do about that: Sit back and let them choose the direction the bus will go, try to wrest back control, or get off and look for a new bus.

One of the problems is that the ones who have the wheel right now tend to have most of the money, and are far more militant, so are likely to have more to say about where it goes than those who merely disagree with the direction. The question appears to be whether or not the mainstream of the party are willing or able to go up against the louder, richer, more beliggerent radicals. And the followup question is whether the party can survive the takeover by those radicals.

The Republican Party is at a crossroads of its own, though the divisions are not nearly as wide or as insurmountable as are those on the Left.

At this point, I'd guess that when it comes to nomination time for the Presidency, the GOP will find itself getting back to its core beliefs, with only a few marginal stragglers, but I think the Dems will find themselves more divided than ever as the seriously aggressive takeover faction tries to roll over the moderate we-liked-it-the-way-it-was faction, which is not particularly militant.

Art... exactly.

I do not remember any history of any war with the kind of timetable or exit strategy that those on the left keep calling for. It just isn't something that makes sense in prosecuting or winning wars.

"You continue to 'misunderestimate' the Dems, man."

Yeah, because the Dems results the last 10 years has been staggering.

LOL

Almiranta,

I find it funny that your description of the plight of the democratic party, so clearly resembles the coup that the republican party succumbed to in the 80's. A well funded minority of theo-cons and corporate mercenaries. Your big tent has continually relegated the true, small government, fiscally conservative members to the background, while they ate at the religious and multinational corporate troughs.

Where has the republican party ended up? We have the nations largest deficit, continue to fund pork and are still growing an already bloated government, so much for personal responsibility, atleast while they hold the purse strings.

What has the benevolent party done in the past 12 years with all it's power and influence? Raised up corrupt congressmen, while coddling the corrupt on the other side of the isle. Debt spnding is out of control, and the whole while the mantra of trickle down economics has proven time after time, that it does nothing in regards to social uplift, only uplifting those who can buy off congressional favors. Heck of a job there!

Quit throwing stones, your glass condo is getting pretty shaky.

I am hoping the BS that goes on in both parties recently can be left behind us, and some sense of unity on basic principles of fiscal responsiblity, international cooperation, and social uplift can be met, but I would surmise that even with a Unity ticket in '08, both sides will attack it unmercifully.