Look can't you just sit quiet and wait to die if that's what you are interested in? Why do you have to ruin all of our real lives for something you don't even believe in. I believe this world is all we get, and I'm not sitting around waiting for the prospect of paradise, I'm trying to have the best time I can while I'm here. If you really believe you are going to go to a heaven, then just sit there and shut up, none of these harsh worldly things concern you. In your world those that deserve eternal bliss will get it anyway, so what is your problem? Quit messing with the flavor of my kool-aid, damn.

Mark,

2500 soldiers are dead from stupid decisions on the part of our government, not nagging.

we have the highest infant mortality rate of all but one industrialized nation, nagging isn't killing them.

as of 2002, 13 million children in the US were classified as "hungry" or living on the edge of hunger, nagging isn't killing these kids.

24,000 people die of hunger and disease everyday, nagging isn't killing them.

we outspend every nation in the world combined on military expeditures, nagging isn't dropping "precision" munitions and causing "collateral damage".

So go ahead, and make your jokes, i'm sure the volvo driving population of the world will be thoroughly offended; but as a part of the red-meat eating, truck driving, 9-5 community, I will tell you to shove it up your well puckered rear entrance!

Catholics were taught, if a baby dies before the baptism (christening) the baby will go to limbo until enough prayers or masses are said to lift the soul to heaven. The catholic church now says that limbo does not exist, so aborted babies now go directly to hell.

On the other hand, the mother who had the abortion can confess her sins, and long as she never has another abortion will go to heaven, so your argument does not hold (holy) water.

Barney, your Catholic education leaves much to be desired. Please find out what the church really teaches before making such asinine comments.

"Leftists tend to fear dying more. That is one reason they are more exercised about our waging war against evil than about the evils committed by those we fight. The number of Iraqis and others Saddam Hussein murdered troubles the Left considerably less than even the remote possibility than they may one day die of global warming (or secondhand smoke)."

Well, first of all, I don't think many people living fear of dying from global warming. It's more about taking care of the planet so that we make sure it can sustain human life for as long as possible.

Second, I love this "leftists fear dying more" comment. Right there, you know not to take this writer seriously.

Also, you say: "If the life you've got right now is all the life you believe you'll ever have, then you're going to hold on to it with both hands"

Most people believe in an after life. You don't have to believe a believer to believe in an "afterlife."

Third,

Global warming is just part of the equation. If you take a look at population growth and the fact that there are a finite amount of resources on earth, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that conservation, recycling and limiting population are imperative to maintaining the earth as a sustainable environment.

But more importantly, the earth takes care of us, sustains us. And if you believe in God, you believe he created the earth for us. Is it right just to trash God's creation? When a friend of yours invites you over for the weekend, is it OK to trash the place because you don't have to live there? It's just right to help protect the earth. It's a mutually beneficial thing to do.

"and limiting population are imperative to maintaining the earth as a sustainable environment."

This should be 'limiting pollution.'

CeCe, OK, what am I missing?

"Our only real task is to figure out how to deflect these leftwing nervous Nellies from power, lest they nag us to death."

I can't wait for the future thread in which Mark posts about the sins of the gluttonous left, who indulge in the sins of alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and sex with no respect for their bodies, which god gave them. They don't respect themselves because they don't respect God. Just wait, it's coming.

I also like the fact that he's calling liberals nervous Nellies when Bush and co. was warning us of mushroom clouds in American just a few years ago. What was the status of the Iraqi nuclear program again?

That CeCe, is one of the biggest problems with the opposing views posted by Barney, Axis, 3rd I, Shipley (though he’s getting better) etc... They forever try to pass half truths or “sounds like” words and ideas mixed together with false information to confuse issues as fact. Either they don’t know they’re doing this which means they’re uninformed and trying to act important or worse yet they know the truth and still mislead (LIE).

CeCe,

But then where do the catholics believe an aborted baby goes?

If you are Jewish, the aborted baby and the mother goes to heaven, so how do you explain that?

If you are Hindu, you are both re-born.

Once again, right on target, Mark. They're more afraid of death than we are. It strikes me I've heard the argument before, I just can't remember where...

Anyway, there's a real advantage in knowing that dying, whether from man-made cataclysms or for a divinely ordained cause, just isn't that big a deal. Especially in wartime.

Mark,

There really must be something going on here. There has been a marked increase of hatred, name calling, vilification, and other such shrill propaganda language from you on virtually every post. I've also noticed this on other right wing blogs. What's up with that?

I was also thinking about something else yesterday when certain blogs were attacking the Uncle of one of those soldiers and how Ms. Coulter referred to the Witches from East Brunswick. It occurs to me that whenever anyone disagrees with the administration's policies, they are labeled as kooks, liberals, wackos, etc. They are completely vilified, ridiculed and discounted. Perhaps you should remember my friend that this is still America and freedom to speak should be celebrated not discouraged. Unfortunately, the Republican propoganda machine thinks it should be otherwise. I would like you to think about this and give me an honest answer if you would. Can you name some people that the left has vilified for having an opinion either for or against. Some examples for you are, Cindy Sheehan, that soldier's Uncle, Murtha, The Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, the 911 widows, any number of Hollywood types, Al Gore( now for global warming) and on and on and on. There's a 15 year old blogger who made some videos against the war and is now receiving death threats. Please give me some examples on the other side so that I may see that's it's not just the right. Also, please don't include polititions, they are all subject to ridicule as part of the job, I mean civilians.

I would also suggest that the so called "left" you are wining about is in agreement with about 2/3 of the country at this point. Where does that leave you?

According to the Nation Council of Churches:
“…While we honor the efforts in our churches, we have clearly failed to communicate the full measure and magnitude of Earth’s environmental crisis-religiously, morally, or politically. It is painfully clear from the verifiable testimony of the world’s scientists that our response has been inadequate to the scale and pace of Earth’s degradation.

To continue to walk the current path of ecological destruction is not only folly; it is sin. As voiced by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who has taken the lead among senior religious leaders in his concern for creation: “To commit a crime against the natural world is a sin. For humans to cause species to become extinct and to destroy the biological diversity of God’s creation . . . for humans to degrade the integrity of Earth by causing changes in its climate, by stripping the Earth of its natural forests, or destroying its wetlands . . . for humans to injure other humans with disease . . . for humans to contaminate the Earth’s waters, its land, its air, and its life, with poisonous substances . . . these are sins.”[2] We have become un-Creators. Earth is in jeopardy at our hands…”

To deny and do nothing about global warming is a sin, and you will go to hell.

Mark, you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what you are talking about, as usual. You are just trying to stereotype and blame everything on liberals, AS USUAL.

In your view, Mark, have you not said before that Liberals are the ones who smoke and drink and have sex with careless abandon. Yet here in this post you say that liberals are the ones telling everyone to stop smoking and to stop drinking and stop harming their bodies. WTF????

Which one is it, Mark?

You know NOTHING about people who may have Liberal ideas, only that you want to blame them for everything bad in the world so you do not have to question your own world view.

You would rather be spoon-fed your understanding of the world rather than THINK about things for a little while. it is much easier for you to create a fictitious "other" side of Liberals who are evil than to recognize the sins within Conservatives and yourself.

We are ALL flawed, Mark. ALL of us, right and left. Stop trying to shift the blame to others to divert responsibility from yourself.

Mark, not all Liberals are heathens without morals. In fact, many Liberals I know have the BEST MORAL STRUCTURE of anyone I have known.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELIVE IN A GOD TO TREAT PEOPLE RIGHT AND LIVE A JUST AND MORAL LIFE!!!!!

For the thousandth time, Mark, GROW UP, and stop playing the blame game!!!

Mark, “My mother smoked and drank when she was pregnant with me (which probably does explain a lot of things),..”

News Item:
Children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy were 31 percent to 40 percent more likely to have poor lung function than children born to non-smokers, the researchers found. Early-life exposure independently increased risk of poor lung function to a lesser degree, by 24 percent to 27 percent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13438188/

Mark, how is your lung capacity?

Well I never thought I'd hear a pro-lifer come out and admit it: you don't care about the aborted fetuses. Your real concern is the liberal pro-choice people. You don't want these damn liberal hippies to get away with having sex consequence-free.

But I don't get it. The aborted babies get to go to heaven. So do the mother and the doctor who performed the abortion, as long as they believe in God. So, what's the problem? Everyone goes to heaven, everyone is happy, right? It seems like pro-lifers should be encouraging women to have more abortions--those babies go straight to heaven, no questions ask. That's good for everyone!

Now I get it, the reason that Bush & Co. are so anxious to send American soldiers to die in Iraq is because they believe in "life everlasting." Maybe they should ask the soldiers beforehand who is a "believer" and who isn't. The believers will volunteer to do the most dangerous missions, since they don't fear death. They go heaven, the nonbelievers keep on living. Everyone is happy!

Mark,

this is probably the most insane argument I have heard on this site. Don't elect the left because they fear death!

That sounds kind of strange.

It sounds especially strange considering that, according to the documents that founded our nation, our government is supposed to protect our lives and liberties.

Perhaps the republicans (or conservatives as you argue) need to realize that there are more threats to our lives than arabs with bombs strapped to their chests.

Wyckyd's got a point. The babies seem to get a direct ticket to the Great Daycare Center in the Sky. That can't be all bad.

Barney's question is a good one, too. What is your lung capacity, Mark? Judging from some of your recent posts, especially that All You Need Is Love number, I'm thinking it's pretty strong.

3moreyears

Excellent post. I think we all would like to hear what Mark has to say about those compassionate conservatives.

List update 1)

Michael Berg
Bill Maher
Dan Rather
Pink
Neil Young
Al Frankin
Jimmy Carter
Kevin Phillips

Mark, I'm still waiting for your list.

Mark,
It seems, like Ann Coulter, you stereotype all the people on the "left" as if they are just one individual, possessing all the character traits you don't like. Personally, I am a Christian, and I am a moderate liberal. I don't favor policies that destroy our environment, not because of my concern for my own health, but concern for the health of future generations that will live on this planet. Nor do I feel comfortable with wars that take the lives of other people -- whatever my own future after this life may be, who am I to be cavalier about the deaths of others as well? If you want to be reckless with your own health of life, then that is your own affair, but to favor policies that endanger the lives or destroy the health of others is most unChristian.

And Mark strikes a nerve, again.

I'm getting pretty good at this.

Steve,

I am to do my duty, each day, as best I can. Jesus is my salvation, but I'm not to just sit there like a lump. Part of my duty is to reprove those who are in error.

TEO,

A list of false, leftwing talking points? That is the best you can do?

Tom,

No one says that we are not responsible, as lords of the earth, to be good stewards of what God has entrusted to us...but global warming is just the latest environmental fad which has been blown all out of proportion by lefty greens who are so fearful of death that they will believe Al Gore when he says ocean levels will rise 20 feet in the next 100 years (worst case scenario is about two feet).

This world is an abundant place - there is plenty and to spare for all of God's creatures...all it takes is good stewardship...of course, part of good stewardship is to allow our fellow men to exercise their abilities unfettered by burdensome regulations...the enviro plan seem to be to keep the poor impoverished and to impoverish the rich...all in the name of an absurd goal of keeping the world exactly as it is today.

There are no sins of drug, sex, alchohol and cigarettes - you can have plenty of all four and never commit a sin regarding them...the sin comes in, as you know very well, in how they are done and with what purpose in mind.

Also, there are no non-believers who believe in an after life.

Wyckyd,

You've over-interpreted what I wrote - there is the concern for the aborted unborn, as they do suffer extreme pain before they are senselessly killed...but the most important thing is what happens to you when you participate in such an event, or blithely allow it to continue.

It errodes your soul - each time you say you are in favor of abortion, you take just one more step towards perdition...towards becoming a horrific deformity of what a human being is supposed to be.

Barney,

Lung function is fine for a 41 year old man who smokes.

Robert,

I beg to differ - you have no idea of what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about fear, and who has it...I fear God and dread naught...a lefty fears second hand smoke.

Barney,
Lung function is fine for a 41 year old man who smokes.
Posted by: Mark Noonan

Mark, from the same study (if you die blame your mom):

“…the impairment of lung function resulting from prenatal and early life exposure is permanent, given that many individuals with parents and siblings who smoke will have started smoking themselves by their teen years.”

Mark, every time I think I've heard it all, you surprise me. Well done. Lol!

And Mark strikes a nerve, again.

Sort of like how all the posts that say [Deleted - anti-military slander] struck such a nerve with you that you had to remove them, eh Marky boy? C'mon, can't have it both ways. According to you, if it riles people up, it must be striking a nerve, right? Ah, who am I kidding. You've never existed logical consistency, so why would you start now?

I will grant you that this post is stupider than your usual tripe, but, as Robert points out, it does fall into your pattern of wanting to blame everything you don't like on the imaginary "liberals" in your head--who bear little to no relation to actual liberals.

Mark, I think when you finally sober up and re-read your post you will surely regret your comments. You are mad. The louder you preach from your bully pulpit, the more foolish and insane you sound. Carry on fool, any resonalble arguments you have wither in the light of the bile you spew with this latest comment. Again, I laugh at you and those who support your views blindly.

Maroons.

Abortion is an abomination. To be consistent the death penalty and war are also an abomination. Thou Shall Not Kill means All killing and death. Neither man , nor his representative the state can sanction the taking of life. Only God can sanction the taking of life. And there are a few other Commandments about coveting things as well. Like folks wives and countries or oil. Peace

Regarding global warming, the debate is over. Gore is right.

Regarding Mark Noonan, the debate is over, he is a raving idiot.

Barney,

When I die, it will be the natural course of events...here we have the dichotomy between the fearful and the fearless...you say "if", I say "when"...and I'm comfortable with "when".

Canuck,

A "raving idiot"? Really? And I do try so hard not to rave...

Steve,

And yet we are commanded to obey those who are placed in authority over us...sounds like a de-facto acceptance that death will have to be dealt out by human hands from time to time.

Sees,

Helps to be one of the writers of the blog, doesn't it?

All falsehood is offensive - and it should offend you. You shouldn't so eagerly embrace untruth just because it has an anti-Bush angle...

*Chuckles*

I do think some folks forget who's blog this is sometimes.

Here's a simple question that seems to have been ignored by those who are disagreeing with Mark. Do you, or do you not fear death more if you believe this is all the life you'll ever get?

While I try not to make as many mental jumps as Mark does in his posts I do tend to agree with that basic belief. If someone believes that this life is all they've got then they'll be bound and determined to both get the most out of it and preserve it for as long as possible. This is perfectly fine by me more power to ya.

My only problem is when those ideas and beliefs lead those in power to try and "make things better" for the rest of us especially to the point beyond reason or balance. Clean air acts here in California, great they've done a lot to help, but why add extra layers to that law so that even if your car blows cleaner than required you'll still fail smog if you've got the wrong air filter on?

There are lots of silly little laws and rules out there that fit into this. Do I think Abortion is one of them? No, I think it's much more serious than that.

“all it takes is good stewardship...of course, part of good stewardship is to allow our fellow men to exercise their abilities unfettered by burdensome regulations...”

Ah, yet again, Mark’s politics usurp his religion. First of, saying good stewardship is doing nothing to regulate how business uses the environment is about as idiotic as you can get.

But, this is an area Pope John spoke about quite often… the evils of unregulated capitalism:

"And he saw danger in the spread of "neoliberalism" in the Americas, describing it as a system "based on a purely economic conception of man" with "profit and law of the markets as its only parameters."

Of course, if I or another liberal said something like this, the right blogosphere would label us “communists” and compare us to Stalin. But regulating the economy, regulating how businesses use the environment is the wise and Christian thing to do.

"If someone believes that this life is all they've got then they'll be bound and determined to both get the most out of it and preserve it for as long as possible."

This is a flawed argument, because the preserving of the earth is not for those living now, but for future generations.

LMAO....Mark you've obviously struck a nerve.

I'd bet if you started a thread titled: "Grass is green, sky is blue", these bozos would show up to argue with you.

Oh and this one just slays me:

It occurs to me that whenever anyone disagrees with the administration's policies, they are labeled as kooks, liberals, wackos, etc. They are completely vilified, ridiculed and discounted. Perhaps you should remember my friend that this is still America and freedom to speak should be celebrated not discouraged.

Let's try it this way:

It occurs to me that whenever anyone agrees with the administration's policies, like the administration, they are labeled as kooks, neocons, wackos, etc. They are completely vilified, ridiculed and discounted. Perhaps you should remember my friend that this is still America and freedom to speak should be celebrated not discouraged.

Ahhhh, now it makes sense.

"This is a flawed argument, because the preserving of the earth is not for those living now, but for future generations. " -Tom Shipley at June 20, 2006 09:14 PM

How so? Don't YOU want clean air and water now too? I mean we cleaned up a lot of the smog and junk here in California in my lifetime alone. I'm sure those who started those programs are still alive and enjoying their handywork. I know those who have planted trees when we were younger are able to play in those trees now with their kids.

Just because you work to help future generations doesn't mean you aren't also going to or at least hoping to reap the rewards as well. So hence, not a flawed argument.

All falsehood is offensive - and it should offend you.

It does offend me. That's why I point out your more egregious examples of it (certainly not all of them, though--that would be a full-time job I wouldn't wish on anybody). But the point I was making--and which you seem to have conceded--is that you equate getting a rise out of people with "striking a nerve," and nothing gets a rise out of you quite like somebody saying something you don't like about the military. Therefore, those people have "struck a nerve" with you as well. See how that works both ways?

wow...am I glad I was able to come back in time to see this post...
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc...all have the same main point...Be Nice To Others...ANYONE who can't figure that out for themselves and needs thousand year old fairy tales is a sad example of humanity.
If you base your life on fear of God and damnation, or the hope of a blissful afterlife, then everything you say and do is only lip-service to yourself and everyone around you.

Faith, if you have faith in ANYTHING other then yourself and your capacity to do good and be nice to others then you are weak and insecure...Speaking of insecure, how sad is it when brainwashed fanatics like Mark are so insecure with their own beliefs that the only way they can keep committed to the lie is to try to convince others that they are right " Part of my duty is to reprove those who are in error." What a sad and pathetic life you must lead, but what's worse is you want others to go down the same path.

Remember Mark, be nice to others...do the right thing...Fear only the guilt that comes with not being nice and doing the wrong thing, and rejoice in how good it feels when you do good and are nice to others. If you're doing it out of fear of your imaginary friends then again...lip service

Mark,

Third Eye Open is a vulgar, repugnant sicko. Please ban the pervert from this site. Thanks

...but as a part of the red-meat eating, truck driving, 9-5 community, I will tell you to shove it up your well puckered rear entrance! - Third Eye Open

Mark,

Third Eye Open is a vulgar, repugnant sicko. Please ban the pervert from this site. Thanks

...but as a part of the red-meat eating, truck driving, 9-5 community, I will tell you to shove it up your well puckered rear entrance! - Third Eye Open

Mark is obviously trying to turn this blog into the national enquirer of conservative blogs to reap in more traffic. If he actually believed HALF of what he writes, he would be fit for an insane asylum

Opus,

Mark and I as christians, we are not to yoke with cowardly unbelievers as yourself, for we walk in light rather than darkness!

You see the difference, you(OPUS) as an unbeliever walk in WICKEDNESS, and we(Christians) as believers walk in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

The only way I can describe you as an atheist is as follows: One who crawls on his belly lower than a snake, with all the filth to go with it.

I can only thank God Almighty that I fear Him, because his righteousness endures FOREVER!!

I find it VERY DISTURBING to hear you say that God is a fairy tale!!!! Such a MOCKERY!! HOW SICK!!
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Opus Quote--
"Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc...all have the same main point..."
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WHAT A SICK LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Christianity is the only true religion pointing to JESUS the one and ONLY ONE who was nailed to an old rugged cross just for you and paid the ultimate cost just for YOU a FILTHY LYING SINNER so that you might accept Him and save your soul from an eternity of pain and torture!!!!

So don't go spitting your poison here, Opus!!

Because Jesus love has WAY MORE meaning, than some earthly FALSE love that you spew, You can take your falsehood dreck elsewhere!!!!!

I am convinced that after reading your post that you are filled with demon's!!

Don't you know that God has the power to rule those demon's OUT of you!!

Let me just quote of few scripture about other's who HAD demon's just like you.

Mark 7:24-30

Demon driven from daughter of Syrophoenician woman.

"Jesus left that place and went to the vicinity of Tyre. He entered a house and did not want anyone to know it; yet he could not keep his presence secret. If fact, as soon as she heard about Him, a woman whos little daughter was possessed by an evil spirit came and fell at his feet. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the childrens bread, and toss to their dogs." "Yes Lord" she replied," "but even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs." Then he told her, "For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter." She went home and found her child lying on the bed, and the demon GONE!

Jesus sends demons into herd of pigs.

Matthew 8:28-34

When he arrived at the other sid in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" They shouted. "Have you come to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large of herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them "GO!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whold town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with him to leave their region.

YOU SEE WHAT GOD CAN DO!!

And for you to sit up and say that God is a fairy tale!! That really upsets me!!

Well, I'll tell you what, that statement just makes you an IGNORANT FOOLISH SUBJECT FOR HELL!!
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Opus Quote--
"Faith, if you have faith in ANYTHING other then yourself and your capacity to do good and be nice to others then you are weak and insecure...Speaking of insecure, how sad is it when brainwashed fanatics like Mark are so insecure with their own beliefs that the only way they can keep committed to the lie is to try to convince others that they are right " Part of my duty is to reprove those who are in error." What a sad and pathetic life you must lead, but what's worse is you want others to go down the same path"
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SOOOO FOOLISH!!!!!! OOOOOH MY!!!!!!

Mark is absolutely RIGHT!!When he says that "part of my duty is to reprove those who are in error!"

Listen Opus! If you fear God and His Just wrath then you won't have to worry about GUILT because you will have a realization of what RIGHT is before you slip and do wrong, because God has the POWER to HELP you realize that doing the RIGHT THING is HIS WAY instead of some weak baseless faithless humanly willed self-power, God will guide you, and that's why he left an example for you to live by Who was that example? Jesus! He committed No sin! NONE!!

What I'm trying to say is, is that faith in yourself is BLIND faith, faith in yourself WILL NOT get you to heaven!!

Christian's have HOPE for tomorrow!! and their HOPE is in Jesus Christ!! The only Man that lived on earth and had the POWER over death and the grave!!

Non-believer's have no hope because they have NO goals to reach, NOTHING!! YOU HAVE NOTHING!! which ultimately leads to one place, and that one place is called Hell!!

So if there's anyone in error then it's you because you are a fool by believing that God's ways are in error!!

WHAT A FOOL!!!

I sure am GLAD that I'm not going down your path, because you are on a head-on collision course with Satan!!

The only reason I am angry is because you slander Mark for his faith!!

I'll tell you one thing I'm not going to sit here and read your poisonous hate-filled venom and let it go, I'm gonna stand up to a spineless demon like YOU!!

It makes me angry to see some viper like you get by with your sick dreck!!............

And it makes me sad, because you are like a wounded animal, You are so dis-oriented with the evil poison that is in you, and not realizing what will happen to you, if you do not accept christ as your savior!

ACCEPT CHRIST!!! AND HE WILL ACCEPT YOU!!!

Tom,

Oh, I'm no fan of rampant capitalism...and, as a Catholic, all things liberal are anethema...

But, what the greenies want to do is prevent people from getting ahead...they want to keep the poor, poor and make the rich poor...that way we can all be miserable together, while the spotted owl is happy.

No, thanks - this world was made for us, and we should use it with that in mind.

Opus,

Please define "nice" in a universal way so that I'll know how to treat everyone else - please make no reference to God as that would spoil your whole world view.

There - now that you've failed at that, I'll just say that I pray you'll eventually come in to the light and become truly free.

TEO opens his mouth and more garbage comes out.

Every nation in the world said WMDs were there, the head of the CIA said it...UNDERSTAND??

"Abortion is an abomination. To be consistent the death penalty and war are also an abomination."

No Steve, that is a truly stupid statement about that you made.

Abortion is of an innocent person.

The death penalty is to eliminate a person so disgustingly in-human that it is the ultimate punishment.

War...often...is done for a greater good. Ever here of slavery, nazism, fascism, etc....all done away with because of WAR!!

So to even attempt to put them in a consistent comparison is ridiculous.

For the record, our founding fathers did considered abortion a private choice. That is why they never outlawed it. In the 18th Century and before, it was legal to have an abortion as long as the child had yet to kick. It was beleived, at the time, that a child did not receive its soul until it started kicking - an event called the quickening. This belief was carried over from our European ansestors. Even the Christian church held onto this belief at that time.

"Oh, I'm no fan of rampant capitalism...and, as a Catholic, all things liberal are anethema..."

Heh, you know Mark, the kind of unregulated capitalism that the Pope calls "neoliberal," in the US, actually has a home in the conservative ideology.

In the eyes of the world, Western Capitalism and the US model of democracy is seen as "liberal".

Two different meanings. But, I guess you're anethma to Western Capitialism and US democracy.

"But, what the greenies want to do is prevent people from getting ahead...they want to keep the poor, poor and make the rich poor..."

The government does take into account how environmental regulations in this country affect poor communities, thanks to an executive order signed by Clinton in '94 that promotes "environmental justice for minorities and the poor by ensuring that agency policies do not inflict additional environmental burdens on these communities."

Protecting the environment and protecting the economy are often dualing interests, but there are honest and successful efforts to do both.

Mark,

"A list of false, leftwing talking points? That is the best you can do?"

--Would you like to enlighten me, in all your wonderous glory, how any of those points were false? I eagerly await your response, honey.

xoxoxo

Mark and co.,

Add Steven Hawkings to the list of people you need to demonize.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-06/21/content_622829.htm

"define "nice" in a universal way"

-exactly Mark, you'll never truly know what being nice would be as long as you only do what you do out of fear or hope of damnation or salvation.

Define it: do one to others...
enough said, and if you need a priest and a fairy tail to tell you that before you do it, then you truly are sad.

-no mention of God by the way...and you who says I don't believe in God? The difference is I don't need to be told what to believe, I don't need repetitive chants, smoke, mirrors, three headed dog legends and a need to make everyone else believe the way I do so I can further convince myself that the lie ain't so bad.

Don't pray for me Mark....re-evaluate what you've done and what you're doing...remember, be nice to others...do the right thing always....you don't need repetitive chants and fairy tails...the only approval you need is yours, not your false idol worshiping priest...I still have hope for you

RE: "There really must be something going on here. There has been a marked increase of hatred, name calling, vilification, and other such shrill propaganda language from you on virtually every post. I've also noticed this on other right wing blogs. What's up with that?"

YES... More and more Conservatives are getting fed up -- REALLY FED UP -- with liberalism, liberals, and everything their agenda for America. More and more Conservatives are fed up the day after day anti-American hate filled propaganda from far left liberal Democrats.

Let's hope that more Conservatives join the fight each day. Let's hope more and more begin to openly, vocally, and aggressively express their anger. Let's hope the Conservative and Christian right begin to raise their voices and begin to take actions to stop the liberal left Democrats. Let's hope you begin to see more and more of it and in stronger terms with each and every passing day. The more American start hearing Conservative messages, outrage, and their raised voices... the more they will influence other Americans views and thoughts, and encourage others to join the fight and abandon the left wing losers who are willing to destroy America for their own values and agenda.

Let's hope Conservatives show American who is really supporting and encouraging terrorist to kill our troops and brutally and barbarically torture them to death -- to feed the liberal hate propaganda and help to elect Democrats in November. Let's hope that Americans begin to associate each American death and each tortured American soldier with those who are encouraging their death and torture -- LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!!

And if Conservatives lose in November... count on them to really get fired and energized to stop liberals.

That's what America needs -- stop liberalism and liberals before they destroy American, it's military, it's values, its traditions, its lifestyle, and everything that has made America the great nation and superpower it is today.

Get the word out... liberals and liberalism must go!

AAR

RE: "Mark is obviously trying to turn this blog into the national enquirer of conservative blogs to reap in more traffic."

Sounds good to me if it brings in more Conservatives and Christians to see the left wing liberal Democratic agenda for America. The more Americans see what liberals are doing and have planned for their lives, values, lifestyles, values, morals, religion, and everything else most Americans believe... the more agitated and angry they get.

The more Conservatives and Christians get angry -- REALLY ANGRY -- the more they will become educated, motivated, and energized to stop the liberals and their "religion of liberalism".

The more I read posts like those from axis, TEO, and the rest of you far left liberal Democratic kooks, the more energized and motivated I get to stop you and your agenda. I do not agree with or support ANY of your views, and I certainly do not want America to be ruled and controlled by YOUR immoral values and lifestyle or by YOUR liberal activist judge "law givers" who want impose liberal ideas, value, and morals -- or rather LACK THEREOF -- on the rest of America.

If there is anything I can do to get the Conservative, Christian, Right motivated and energized, I intend to do it!!!

Hopefully, others who are opposed to the liberal agenda for America will do the same!

Liberals and liberalism must be stopped now, before they and it destroy America.

AAR

AAR,

Your support of this administration is helping to kill our soldiers, may whatever God(s) you believe in have mercy on your soul.

The anti-american, anti-troop, anti-patriotic views are not helping us get our brave guys and girls home, you should be ashamed at how you are ruining this great nation. I hope you can live with the idea that someone's children are mother/fatherless because you had to bomb a nation who had nothing to do with 9/11.

/SPIT!

Tom,

Methinks you misunderstand what a green says when he says "evironmental justice". This is a code phrase covering yet more socialistic regulation - the idea here is that poor people have had pollution deliberately dumped on them by the rich, and so more and more areas of the world will be ruled off limits to any dumping of any kind...meaning that there is less and less ability to dispose of waste, and thus less economic activity.

Most Greens, of course, are "watermelons" - green on the outside, red on the inside; they also have a heavy dash of Mussolini style fascism, just to really make a nasty mix.

Mark,

Do you want YOUR children to grow up like Jerimiah?

Yikes!

Maroons!

"Most Greens, of course, are "watermelons" - green on the outside, red on the inside; they also have a heavy dash of Mussolini style fascism"

What does the environmental movement have to do with "Mussolini style fascism?" Are you alluding to the environmentalist desire for reliable public transportation? In all seriousness, however, fascism is defined as the exploitation by a government of nationalist sentiment (or cultivation thereof) as means to seize total control of a society. Characteristic features of a fascist regime are warmongering and the labeling of dissenters as "unpatriotic" - both of which were exhibited by the President and his supporters in the months leading up to "Shock and Awe." And there was also the issue of President Bush never issuing - or requesting the issue of - a formal declaration of war on Iraq and thus bypassing Article 1 of the constitution (In Article 1, Section 8, the Declaration of War is listed as a power of Congress - not the President), but this administration's rapsheet is too long to fit into one post, so I'll just stop there. I'm not saying the Bush Administration is fascist - you just need to stop throwing words around if you don't know what they mean.

I don't think the concern about Global Warming has anything to do with the "liberal" fear of death. It's about maintaining the habitability of this planet. I'm concerned about it because I believe that any disrespect or ingratitude for the Creation is an affront to the Creator. Hundreds of millions will be left without homes if sea levels rise - would it be becoming of anyone that calls themselves Christian to do nothing about it while they still can? And with the whole healthy eating and exercise thing, that's not so much to forestall one's inevitable expiration, but rather to ensure that they don't spend their final years in a nursing home deprived of all human dignity. My grandfather lived to be 95 - he was up at 6am every morning, and he ran a mile before breakfast every day. He died in a car accident - he could have lived to 100. Being healthy - for me, at least - isn't about living longer. It's about improving your quality of life, with the added bonus of getting to stay around a bit longer before getting called home. We're here whether we like it or not, so we might as well make the best of it.

Grandmaster Bong,

No need to worry about Gods perfect work here!

For it's all in His hands you see!!

To be worried about tomorrow for this old sinful world would be a blind misconception to the true meaning (true reality) of Gods GREAT plan, for those that know him as their personal savior!!

Jesus said:

"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?"

"Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?."

"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?."

"But seek ye first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto ye, Therefore do not worry about tomorrow for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Jeremiah

Jesus is warning us not to fret about things we can't change - he's not telling us not to be vigilant and wise. My health is something that I have - for the most part - control of. However, if I could be hit by a bus tomorrow, I'm just going to look both ways before crossing the street and hope/pray for the best. Global warming is something that can be averted - and concerning the millions of poor people that could be displaced by a 6 foot (considering how much water is locked up in melting glaciers and ice caps, that's fairly realistic for the near future) rise in sea levels: "Proverbs 19:17: He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward him for what he has done." Proverbs is one of my favorite books - it's full of good advice. Also read Matthew 25:31-46 (I don't want to type all of that) for some of Jesus' thoughts on helping others in need. Look for the Parable of the Talents for teachings on the merits of being grateful for what you've been given: your body, a beautiful planet (as Americans, we've been incredibly blessed in this respect - spend a week in a national park such as Grand Teton and you'll understand this immediately).

And then there's Proverbs 19:22: "...better to be poor than a liar." EVERYONE (not just Bush) who holds public office should have that scripture burned into their desk.

I understand that God has a plan for everything - but we have no idea what it is except for the final outcome - victory over evil. Our greatest wisdom is his greatest folly - we can't discern what he intends for the immediate future, but that doesn't mean shouldn't make every effort to do good works in the meantime - it's what he'd expect of us. Besides, you can do only good or evil - there's no middle ground. And if you aren't doing good, you're doing evil, and you sure as shootin' ain't pleasing God!

Jesus is warning us not to fret about things we can't change - he's not telling us not to be vigilant and wise. My health is something that I have - for the most part - control of. However, if I could be hit by a bus tomorrow, I'm just going to look both ways before crossing the street and hope/pray for the best. Global warming is something that can be averted - and concerning the millions of poor people that could be displaced by a 6 foot (considering how much water is locked up in melting glaciers and ice caps, that's fairly realistic for the near future) rise in sea levels: "Proverbs 19:17: He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward him for what he has done." Proverbs is one of my favorite books - it's full of good advice. Also read Matthew 25:31-46 (I don't want to type all of that) for some of Jesus' thoughts on helping others in need. Look for the Parable of the Talents for teachings on the merits of being grateful for what you've been given: your body, a beautiful planet (as Americans, we've been incredibly blessed in this respect - spend a week in a national park such as Grand Teton and you'll understand this immediately).

And then there's Proverbs 19:22: "...better to be poor than a liar." EVERYONE (not just Bush) who holds public office should have that scripture burned into their desk.

I understand that God has a plan for everything - but we have no idea what it is except for the final outcome - victory over evil. Our greatest wisdom is his greatest folly - we can't discern what he intends for the immediate future, but that doesn't mean shouldn't make every effort to do good works in the meantime - it's what he'd expect of us. Besides, you can do only good or evil - there's no middle ground. And if you aren't doing good, you're doing evil, and you sure as shootin' ain't pleasing God!

Grandmaster Bong,

You have no idea of what fascism is...

Outside of that, as for maintaining the habitability of earth, we're all for that...but we don't need alarmist idiocy. Just tell us the facts and then lets get on to figuring out what we need to do to either fix the problem, or adapt to the changes.

And as for what to do about rising sea levels - I'm still waiting for the global warming people to come up with a plan. Al Gore says sea levels will rise by 20 feet...so, where is his proposal to build dykes, or evacuate the populations? If the calculations of the alarmists are correct, then there isn't the abiltiy to arrest the problem of global warming...we can, at best, slow it down...so, we need detailed plans on how to protect the coasts, or resettle tens of millions...but there isn't any peep from the alarmists about how to do this....and thus my strong suspicion that they are full of it, know it, and are just trying to rake up donations and/or political power.

I'm not defending the alarmists - I'd just like to see something done about it. We can arrest global warming - but not immediately. It will take time for the excess CO2 to be sequestered in plants once more, but doing nothing about the problem is not an option. Time ran a very good article on this - I would suggest that you read it.