Yeah, the "generic" poll has never been kind to the Dems. I've seen a 12% corrective offered retroactively from actual elections to the predictive ability of such but what that really tells you is the poll is not worth consideration. If only the Dems could crank up a factory somewhere and produce armies of Jim Jacksons and Jack Jamesons then run them for offices. It would be a sweep! (Does this explain the enthusiasm for human cloning?) Unfortunately there is no "generic" Dem out there. Real people must run against same, warts and all. Will this November be the mugging that FINALLY brings the Dems to what passes for their senses? Sure hope so but no breath holding here.
Posted by: megapotamus at June 19, 2006 06:11 PM
Yeah, the "generic" poll has never been kind to the Dems. I've seen a 12% corrective offered retroactively from actual elections to the predictive ability of such but what that really tells you is the poll is not worth consideration. If only the Dems could crank up a factory somewhere and produce armies of Jim Jacksons and Jack Jamesons then run them for offices. It would be a sweep! (Does this explain the enthusiasm for human cloning?) Unfortunately there is no "generic" Dem out there. Real people must run against same, warts and all. Will this November be the mugging that FINALLY brings the Dems to what passes for their senses? Sure hope so but no breath holding here.
Posted by: megapotamus at June 19, 2006 06:12 PM
Please explain to me why the simple act, by President Bush, of going to Iraq is "dazzling." Please explain to me why, if it is known that simply visiting Iraq would dazzle people, Bush wouldn't do it for that reason alone. Please explain to me how going to Iraq has any bearing whatsoever on the righteousness of Bush's policy in Iraq. Someone, anyone, please explain...
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 19, 2006 07:03 PM
I heard "We Don't Need No Steenking Jury!" Murtha talking about Iraq, and the man just invents figures and tosses them out as if being stated by a VERY-formerly honorably serving Marine will automatically give them some credibility.
According to Murtha, 80% of all Iraqis want us "out of there" and two-thirds of all Democrats want us to pull out now. Well, the first figure has been thouroughly and repeatedly debunked, as a bad poll. Ask an Iraqi if he wants the US to leave, and he will probably say "yes". Big deal. The only question with any value is "WHEN do you want the US to leave?" and the answer to that is, "when we are secure and able to protect ourselves". So there is a deep dishonesty in Murtha's continuing to use that bogus figure.
And if 2/3 of all Dems agree with him, that means a third do not, which, added to the Republicans---who already had a majority in 2004---gives the GOP an even bigger edge this time. So why is Murtha making the point that the vast majority of Americans do NOT agree with him?
I think honest Dems are seeing the death spiral that their leaders have put them in. Murtha is hailed as a Dem shining star, and he's just plain nuts and a liar to boot. I think most Americans have a very firm belief in concepts like "Innocent till Proven Guilty" and giving people the benefit of the doubt, and are deeply offended by Murtha's grandstanding pronouncments that the accused Marines in Haditha are "cold-blooded killers".
The more the party falls back on lunatic dinosaurs like Murtha, or whiny radicals like Pelosi, the more they have to alienate the rational segment of their base. They can't keep playing to the Loony Tunes segment and hold on to the reasonable ones.
Posted by: Almiranta at June 19, 2006 08:19 PM
I agree with you Mark, the Demoblicans don't have a plan. Then again, what is the Republicrat plan?
I too believe that Bush's low standings in the polls have more to do with the competence issue than with ideology. Assuming the competence issue can be divorced from, or folded into the corruption issue, That's a reason for hope. Then again, Barone's reasons for optimism pretty much all occurred in the same week. After months of relentless bad news one wonders how long the bounce will sustain. Bush -- and more importantly the Repub congress -- have to establish some level of consistency.
I'm not sure how much significance is warranted to place on the CA 50 special election. It was, after all, an election for who will fill the seat for only 6 months. You can't engender much seniority in that period of time. Consequently, the election cycle pretty much starts all over again for the November elections. And if the Repubs have to spend another $10 million on this race, it could really hurt, considering all the other races now in play. One wonders what the strategy is.
On the other hand, and though I wouldn't equate Francine Busby with John Kerry (she lost to Cunningham in 2004 by a far greater margin --about 20 percentage points less -- than Kerry lost to Bush in the same district in 2004), failure to win the CA-50 race was still a significant defeat for the Dems. Then again, they spent about 1/6th of the money that the Reps did. Political calculus is one kind of calculus I'm not very good at. But this was supposed to be a very safe seat, with the majority of the electorate registered Republicans. Further, Cunningham was already off the ticket, so it wasn't about him anymore. That's not true of many of the other districts in play across the country.
Personally, I think the Dems have a huge uphill battle in front of them. They've been playing the anti-Bush card almost exclusively, with no real vision of their own. And the fact is, no matter what you think about the Bush administration (and I think less and less as time goes on), he is a lame duck. Bush doesn't matter anymore. The important question for 2006 is what comes after him. And in that respect I feel it is both a regional question and a national question. How much significance each plays is very much dependent upon the priorities of the national parties as well as the individual candidates. And at this point I don't think either party is a shoe-in for dominance of the House. I think the Dems can forget the Senate, though. That ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: Ricorun at June 19, 2006 09:02 PM
I agree with you Mark, the Demoblicans don't have a plan. Then again, what is the Republicrat plan?
I too believe that Bush's low standings in the polls have more to do with the competence issue than with ideology. Assuming the competence issue can be divorced from, or folded into the corruption issue, That's a reason for hope. Then again, Barone's reasons for optimism pretty much all occurred in the same week. After months of relentless bad news one wonders how long the bounce will sustain. Bush -- and more importantly the Repub congress -- have to establish some level of consistency.
I'm not sure how much significance is warranted to place on the CA 50 special election. It was, after all, an election for who will fill the seat for only 6 months. You can't engender much seniority in that period of time. Consequently, the election cycle pretty much starts all over again for the November elections. And if the Repubs have to spend another $10 million on this race, it could really hurt, considering all the other races now in play. One wonders what the strategy is.
On the other hand, and though I wouldn't equate Francine Busby with John Kerry (she lost to Cunningham in 2004 by a far greater margin --about 20 percentage points less -- than Kerry lost to Bush in the same district in 2004), failure to win the CA-50 race was still a significant defeat for the Dems. Then again, they spent about 1/6th of the money that the Reps did. Political calculus is one kind of calculus I'm not very good at. But this was supposed to be a very safe seat, with the majority of the electorate registered Republicans. Further, Cunningham was already off the ticket, so it wasn't about him anymore. That's not true of many of the other districts in play across the country.
Personally, I think the Dems have a huge uphill battle in front of them. They've been playing the anti-Bush card almost exclusively, with no real vision of their own. And the fact is, no matter what you think about the Bush administration (and I think less and less as time goes on), he is a lame duck. Bush doesn't matter anymore. The important question for 2006 is what comes after him. And in that respect I feel it is both a regional question and a national question. How much significance each plays is very much dependent upon the priorities of the national parties as well as the individual candidates. And at this point I don't think either party is a shoe-in for dominance of the House. I think the Dems can forget the Senate, though. That ain't gonna happen
Well said Ricorun.
Posted by: purplenation at June 19, 2006 10:19 PM
Please explain to me why the simple act, by President Bush, of going to Iraq is "dazzling." Please explain to me why, if it is known that simply visiting Iraq would dazzle people, Bush wouldn't do it for that reason alone. Please explain to me how going to Iraq has any bearing whatsoever on the righteousness of Bush's policy in Iraq. Someone, anyone, please explain...
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 19, 2006 07:03 PM
Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 19, 2006 11:04 PM
Can someone explain to me how even a far left wing radical kook could think Bush is a lame duck? Since he's got a Republican Senate and Republican House if he were to actually put forward some Conservative initiatives they'd pass easily. This is just common sense.
Posted by:
CJ at June 19, 2006 11:27 PM
One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, and Dubya makes a 5 hour trip to Iraq - this is what qualifies as a "turning point" (where have we heard that one before?) for the Repugs. Very, very telling.
Mark, I notice you make no mention of the US troops being charged with murder. Must be a tough story to spin, even for you.
Posted by: maf53 at June 19, 2006 11:31 PM
"One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, "
Has he EVER been indicted? If so, please show us where he has or is this just another lying statement from you Maf?
Posted by: Warriornation at June 19, 2006 11:46 PM
Deprogrammer....can I ask you a question.
Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?
If it's not big deal for Bush to go as you opine (he's been there twice) then why doesn't Ted Kennedy get on a plane and travel there to back up his claims that it is a quagmire?
I earnestly look forward to your answer.
Posted by: Warriornation at June 19, 2006 11:48 PM
"Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?"
Who the hell in their right mind would want to go to Iraq? The only reason Dubya went there (for 5 hours) was so that you babbling idiots would salivate over it. And, what do you know, it worked.
Hook, line, sinker.
I'll give Rove his due, though - he's great at what he does. Now, if he only was working for the good side ...
Posted by: maf53 at June 19, 2006 11:56 PM
C-Span just showed President Bush's speech tonight at a Republican fund raiser. Man was President Bush on fire!! He was really in the zone. The democrats are gonna have to do better than blaming President Bush for the weather and suggesting that we fight the war on terror by moving our troops from Iraq to Okinawa.
Posted by: james allegro at June 19, 2006 11:57 PM
"Has he EVER been indicted? If so, please show us where he has or is this just another lying statement from you Maf?"
(I posted something earlier to this - server error).
You know what I meant, War Boy - out of ALL of your idols, for once, one of them did not get indicted. Clearer now for you, Warmonger?
Posted by: maf53 at June 20, 2006 12:01 AM
One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, and Dubya makes a 5 hour trip to Iraq - this is what qualifies as a "turning point" (where have we heard that one before?) for the Repugs. Very, very telling.
Mark, I notice you make no mention of the US troops being charged with murder. Must be a tough story to spin, even for you.
Posted by: maf53 at June 19, 2006 11:31 PM
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Actually Maf, Have any of "THEM" been indicted? Ha, I didn't think so, still holding out that hope tho eh! Where ya been? On vacation, or maybe just not much to say these days!
Who the hell in their right mind would want to go to Iraq?
That's a joke right Maf? Kennedy/right mind! Bwahahaaahaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa! Actually those of us in our RIGHT mind hahahaha, volunteer daily to go! 13,000 in May was it! Can't buy that one off the Kossackers!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 12:04 AM
"Have any of "THEM" been indicted? Ha, I didn't think so, still holding out that hope tho eh!"
Get your head out of Dubya's cheeks for a minute and open your eyes.
"Thursday, September 29, 2005; Page A01
A Texas grand jury indicted House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) yesterday on a charge of criminally conspiring with two political associates to inject illegal corporate contributions into 2002 state elections that helped the Republican Party reorder the congressional map in Texas and cement its control of the House in Washington.
The indictment forced DeLay, one of the Republicans' most powerful leaders and fundraisers, to step aside under House rules barring such posts to those accused of criminal conduct."
"SAN DIEGO — A tearful, trembling Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Rancho Santa Fe) resigned Monday after pleading guilty to receiving $2.4 million in bribes from military contractors and evading more than $1 million in taxes.
The money involved makes Cunningham's the largest bribery case since several members of Congress were convicted of the crime in the early 1980s."
Posted by: maf53 at June 20, 2006 12:12 AM
"MIAMI, Aug. 11 -- Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff and a business partner were indicted by a federal grand jury in Fort Lauderdale on Thursday, charged with five counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy in their purchase of a fleet of Florida gambling boats from a businessman who was later killed in a gangland-style hit."
Should I go on? This is kind of fun.
Now, you Repugs are awful quiet about the troops being charged with murder? Must be another MSM conspiracy.
Posted by: maf53 at June 20, 2006 12:22 AM
Um sh.. for brains liberal, thank you very much for coming out of the closet for us once again! So not only are you stereotyping republicans you are also showing your political racism! All republicans are "THEM"! See I just thought cause your a broadminded liberal that you were just talking about them "THEM"(you know, Bush appointy's or cronies), not all republicans no matter what race or creed! Hypocrite! I'm sure I could come up with quite a few dems in simmilar boats, but that would be a waste of my time since I don't judge all democrats by a few bad screw-ups! Altho I do judge most of them,LOL!
So tell me Maf or is it Axis or maybe third blind eye, you guys all sound the same! Maybe your all the same person, maybe your all Osama bin Ladled trying to win the propaganda war, or maybe your zarqawi incarnate, naaaaa he died to soon ago! You guys LEFT(LOL) your RIGHT mind long before he died! Bwahahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 01:19 AM
It must suck to be LEFT with the LEFT all the while wishing you were RIGHT with the RIGHT! I love being RIGHT when LEFT out in the rain! When the RIGHT girl came along the wrong girl LEFT!
You guys are getting so boring now that you have so little ammunition LEFT!
Now, you Repugs are awful quiet about the troops being charged with murder? Must be another MSM conspiracy.
Posted by: maf53 at June 20, 2006 12:22 AM
By the way MAF, the ultimate difference between the RIGHT way and the LEFT(WRONG)way is that we(THE RIGHT) believe in due process! Charges are just the beginning of that process, and if it was some big LEFTY liberal he'd be innocent even after proven guilty! BIG difference between RIGHT & WRONG(LEFT)!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 01:29 AM
*Shakes head*
What's there to say about those soldiers charged with murder except that they're innocent until proven guilty. You act like having a few soldiers charged is an inditement on every soldier in the world. That's like saying because one black guy murders someone all black people are murderers.
That's why we're not saying anything about it my friend, because it's a non-isssue outside of it being a murder case.
As for the original topic, haven't we gone through this all before? Considered to be out of the running, washed up, and "done for?" In the end we've always continued on reguardless of what others have said and we will continue to do so.
Posted by:
Gozer at June 20, 2006 01:58 AM
Ricorun,
My view is that President Bush's support never really dropped below 45% of the electorate - always good to keep in mind that the polls of late have been of "adults" rather than voters, and have heavily over-sampled Democrats. It is, once again, a "what people say/what people do" thing - if the President ever were as unpopular as they say he was and if, say, the liberation of Iraq was that much a political albatross, then there would have been a lot of very prominent GOP defections from President Bush - likely led by John McCain.
There are polls, and then there are polls - the really good ones are those paid for by the parties, but never released by them (too much proprietary info involved)...and those polls must have shown the necessity of last weeks vote tallies on the Iraq resolutions...most Senators - having to face State-wide electorates - understanding that a vote against would have been deadly; meanwhile, all the safe House Democrats voted for surrender, partiall out of conviction, but also partially out of knowledge that if they failed to do so, the raving anti-war base would get mad.
The proof of my view of the political landscape will be known in a bit more than four months - once the votes are counted...if I'm right, then the GOP will pick up 3-7 House seats, and 2-5 Senate seats.
We shall see.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at June 20, 2006 03:05 AM
Mark was recently inspired by a John Lennon song to say that love is what is really behind war (in true Orwellian fashion).
Well I think there's a more apt Lennon song to reference these days:
"Im sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypo-critics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
Ive had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope"
The Rovian plot was to fly the president after Zwaqari was killed, speak to the government there, reassure them the US was with them, then fly Bush home "on a high."
Have him say he was "inspired" by a what was going on in Iraq. Have him erase doubts that American people may have about Iraq.
"He told reporters he had some doubts as to whether Iraq's new leaders had the will to succeed. He said the only way to ease those doubts was to go to Baghdad and meet them face-to-face.
"Sitting here in America, wondering whether or not, these people have got what it takes creates some uncertainty," said Mr. Bush. "I have eliminated that uncertainty."
Given the president's track record of looking into the eyes of world leaders and judging their character, we all know how much worth this statement has.
For an accurate picture of how things are going in Iraq, we once again must go to the press (not the government and not the military -- although press is citing the government in this case):
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690071
"For at least six months, we have not been able to use any local staff members for translation at on-camera press events....We cannot call employees in on weekends or holidays without blowing their 'cover.'"
As I have said before, AQ in Iraq is not the worst threat to security in Iraq. That distinction belongs to the sunni/shia civil war currently occurring in Iraq.
Posted by: Tom Shipley at June 20, 2006 09:04 AM
Bear,
You are about the biggest Ditto-head around here, well maybe with the exception of CJ.
You guys and your Anti-American, Anti-Soldier policy cheering is getting our boys and girld killed, can't you think about their families for once, and stop promoting the deaths of our soldiers for an illegal war; you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Secondly, on the point made initially in the post about all things being cheery for Der leader, shall we count the ways it isn't:
1. The leader of the free world has to go slinking into an uncontrolled war-zone to get photo-ops with a bewildered and totally unknowing "partner" in the WOT.
2. Seems those dastardly polls you guys don't believe in, don't seem to believe in you either.
3. Civil War, 'nuff said.
4. the latest story of our tough on national security prez, allowing the gutting of INS enforcement of companies who employ illegal aliens, not very comforting when dealing with the 'brown-menace' from the south.
5. Has anyone noticed that the Dubai ports deal is still on the table, infact the senate stripped out the house provision making the sale mandatory, not to mention that the 22 ports are still in the hands of Dubai, did you guys think no one was going to notice that with all that talk, nothing is getting done; sounds like par for the course these days in congress.
6. Oh, what was that Italy, you are starting investigations into the illegal renditions of prisoners to Egypt, and probing the military contract nexus between the outgoing government and the US. LOL!
7. Looks like Mr. Hastert has an issue on his hands back home, I would love to see the right try and wiggle out of TWO indicted House Majority leaders in the same year.
8. Anymore encouraging words for Jefferson?
9. Hey George, look under that couch over there, i think i saw Osama hiding out...oh wait, must have been a shadow, Osama is back in Afghanistan watching our control of that country disintegrate, the drug trade ramp back up higher than before the war, and taliban attacks are increasing...what a joke, this wartime president can't even control one of the poorest nations in the world without screwing it up.
10. Keep asking for paperwork, Scooter, you're doing a "Heck of a job!"
LOL
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 20, 2006 12:47 PM
Bear,
You are about the biggest Ditto-head around here, well maybe with the exception of CJ.
You guys and your Anti-American, Anti-Soldier policy cheering is getting our boys and girld killed, can't you think about their families for once, and stop promoting the deaths of our soldiers for an illegal war; you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Posted by: Third Eye Blind at June 20, 2006
12:47 PM
You are one stupid, blind M.F. The only thing you got right in that post was that I'm a dittohead & damn proud of it!
As to the rest............*fuming* We are those families you blind eyed punk! My brother did 3 tours!.....what about you? I joined in 91' with the sole purpose of kicking saddams a.. and saving ours & others lives..........what'd you do blind eye? Don't talk to me about the families a..munch! The families of the soldiers just found murdered and tortured aren't reminiscing the good ol days with blind eye, they are calling for the U.S. military to get there murderers(take a lesson a..hole, this is and has been WAR)! You should be ashamed for your lack of integrity & lack of patriotism for this country and it's people! You guys are ready to convict and throw away the key on our boyz and then you try to hinder our hunt for the real bad guys! You make me and 99.999999% percent of the military and their families SICK!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 04:06 PM
get some new talking points blind eye, your old ones are being blown apart one at a time!
Oh yah, I think it was a convo. with you that I said Al Mansur would be the next major terrorist to die, soon after taking zarqawis place. Hear the news blind or are you deaf too, Mansur was KILLED by the U.S. MILITARY! How about that!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 04:09 PM
"Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!"
bearmanusmc,
please explain what it is to believe in this country. believe it exists? furthermore, how exactly is it clear from me implying that the simple act of going to a country should not dazzle anybody that I don't believe in this country? i could think America is totally awesome (assuming that's a way simplified verison of what you mean by believing in it), yet still think simply going to iraq should not be dazzling, can't i?
"Deprogrammer....can I ask you a question.
Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?
If it's not big deal for Bush to go as you opine (he's been there twice) then why doesn't Ted Kennedy get on a plane and travel there to back up his claims that it is a quagmire?
I earnestly look forward to your answer."
As far as Ted Kennedy going to Iraq, are you saying that one should not form an opinion on the Iraq war without going to Iraq first? You have an opinion on the war, don't you? Have you been to Iraq lately? If Ted Kennedy did go to Iraq, would you call it dazzling? If not, please provide a reason why it would be logical to call it dazzling when Bush does it, but not when Kennedy does it.
Furthermore, I have yet to see anyone explain exactly how Bush simply going to Iraq has any bearing on the righteousness of his policy regarding it. I know, It's an impossible task. So why not just admit it? Now, if you want to say Bush did something dazzling on his trip, I'd be glad to consider it, but really, any fool can get on a plane and fly some place, no?
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 20, 2006 08:06 PM
Oh yah, I think it was a convo. with you that I said Al Mansur would be the next major terrorist to die, soon after taking zarqawis place. Hear the news blind or are you deaf too, Mansur was KILLED by the U.S. MILITARY! How about that!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 04:09 PM
My bad, wasn't who I thought it was, although it was a high ranking al-quadea official. that's all I need to know! That bastard that killed our boyz is next! Zarqawi thought he had it bad, these boyz are in for it! I almost(almost) feel sorry for them........NOT!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 21, 2006 02:35 AM
Bear,
Your service is admirable, but the fact you are supporting the deaths of 2500+ american men and women, makes me sick, you should be ashamed.
We are in a war with no end, we have no exit strategy, and YOU are leaving yours and many other's family members to twist in the wind, while Der Leader trys to pull his sagging numbers up by making 5 hour photo-ops. Screw you and the war-mongers, peace will prevail, no thanks to your anti-american, anti-troop, anti-patriotic, anti-thinking!
/SPIT!
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 21, 2006 10:35 AM
Bear,
Your service is admirable, but the fact you are supporting the deaths of 2500+ american men and women, makes me sick, you should be ashamed.
We are in a war with no end, we have no exit strategy, and YOU are leaving yours and many other's family members to twist in the wind, while Der Leader trys to pull his sagging numbers up by making 5 hour photo-ops. Screw you and the war-mongers, peace will prevail, no thanks to your anti-american, anti-troop, anti-patriotic, anti-thinking!
/SPIT!
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 21, 2006 10:35 AM
Once again blind, you and yours are the underdog minority regardless of how you try to manipulate polls! You don't understand & you never will! The fact that you see us as supporting the death of our brothers is absolutely assinine, but then again so is most everything you post! Maybe you should go join Axis & CO in their liberal utopia while "THE MEN" take care of bussiness! Freak!
"Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!"
bearmanusmc,
please explain what it is to believe in this country. believe it exists? furthermore, how exactly is it clear from me implying that the simple act of going to a country should not dazzle anybody that I don't believe in this country? i could think America is totally awesome (assuming that's a way simplified verison of what you mean by believing in it), yet still think simply going to iraq should not be dazzling, can't i?
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 20, 2006 08:06 PM
Judging from the shallowness of your post deprogrammer you are either 15yrs. of age or you don't get out much! You and Natalie Maines have a lot in common!
Join the military, serve with men from all over the United States, men that represent a little part of our beloved country and you will understand what there is to respect and honor! It's the people dips..t not the land! The land is beautiful, but so are many other places! It's the people, it's the billions in aid that goes out to people in and out of our country, it's the desire to be the leaders of the free world and show others they can have a a better life, it's about those boyz and girlz that are willing no matter what the cost to secure our freedom as well as others! G.B. is our Commander-in-Chief, and that position demands respect from nations much less persons regardless of repub. or demoncrat! It's about believing in what America was born to be!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 21, 2006 12:24 PM
bearmanUSMC: fine, you're right. Americans do many wonderful things and their structure of government is brilliantly compassionate, at large, so, THEREFORE, anytime a President gets on a plane to go somewhere, s/he should get a bounce in the polls for doing something so dazzling, regardless of what s/he actually does on the trip and regardless of whether s/he only went because s/he knew that people would be dazzled by it and their support for him/her would go up, as desired (which I am not claiming to be or not to be the case, but only to be plausible and therefore worth considering). makes perfect sense...how could i be so stupid not to see the LOGICAL connection earlier? ooo, ooo, and when Bush rides his bike, i should just be awestruck. and don't even get me started thinking about the stars i'll see when he hits the toilet bowl while pissing, or even if he misses, or even if he stabs a baby in the heart, cause shoot, he's our commander-in-chief, good or bad, and it's not the nature of what he does, just the fact that he is c-i-c while he does it! granted, when he did all these things before he became c-i-c, they were not dazzling, but the instant that he became such, the nature of these things changed in and of themselves, somehow. my guess, is through magic. thanks for sharing so much wisdom with me! well, i better head to bed, i've got pre-school in the morning...
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 21, 2006 07:09 PM
Yeah, the "generic" poll has never been kind to the Dems. I've seen a 12% corrective offered retroactively from actual elections to the predictive ability of such but what that really tells you is the poll is not worth consideration. If only the Dems could crank up a factory somewhere and produce armies of Jim Jacksons and Jack Jamesons then run them for offices. It would be a sweep! (Does this explain the enthusiasm for human cloning?) Unfortunately there is no "generic" Dem out there. Real people must run against same, warts and all. Will this November be the mugging that FINALLY brings the Dems to what passes for their senses? Sure hope so but no breath holding here.
Yeah, the "generic" poll has never been kind to the Dems. I've seen a 12% corrective offered retroactively from actual elections to the predictive ability of such but what that really tells you is the poll is not worth consideration. If only the Dems could crank up a factory somewhere and produce armies of Jim Jacksons and Jack Jamesons then run them for offices. It would be a sweep! (Does this explain the enthusiasm for human cloning?) Unfortunately there is no "generic" Dem out there. Real people must run against same, warts and all. Will this November be the mugging that FINALLY brings the Dems to what passes for their senses? Sure hope so but no breath holding here.
Please explain to me why the simple act, by President Bush, of going to Iraq is "dazzling." Please explain to me why, if it is known that simply visiting Iraq would dazzle people, Bush wouldn't do it for that reason alone. Please explain to me how going to Iraq has any bearing whatsoever on the righteousness of Bush's policy in Iraq. Someone, anyone, please explain...
I heard "We Don't Need No Steenking Jury!" Murtha talking about Iraq, and the man just invents figures and tosses them out as if being stated by a VERY-formerly honorably serving Marine will automatically give them some credibility.
According to Murtha, 80% of all Iraqis want us "out of there" and two-thirds of all Democrats want us to pull out now. Well, the first figure has been thouroughly and repeatedly debunked, as a bad poll. Ask an Iraqi if he wants the US to leave, and he will probably say "yes". Big deal. The only question with any value is "WHEN do you want the US to leave?" and the answer to that is, "when we are secure and able to protect ourselves". So there is a deep dishonesty in Murtha's continuing to use that bogus figure.
And if 2/3 of all Dems agree with him, that means a third do not, which, added to the Republicans---who already had a majority in 2004---gives the GOP an even bigger edge this time. So why is Murtha making the point that the vast majority of Americans do NOT agree with him?
I think honest Dems are seeing the death spiral that their leaders have put them in. Murtha is hailed as a Dem shining star, and he's just plain nuts and a liar to boot. I think most Americans have a very firm belief in concepts like "Innocent till Proven Guilty" and giving people the benefit of the doubt, and are deeply offended by Murtha's grandstanding pronouncments that the accused Marines in Haditha are "cold-blooded killers".
The more the party falls back on lunatic dinosaurs like Murtha, or whiny radicals like Pelosi, the more they have to alienate the rational segment of their base. They can't keep playing to the Loony Tunes segment and hold on to the reasonable ones.
I agree with you Mark, the Demoblicans don't have a plan. Then again, what is the Republicrat plan?
I too believe that Bush's low standings in the polls have more to do with the competence issue than with ideology. Assuming the competence issue can be divorced from, or folded into the corruption issue, That's a reason for hope. Then again, Barone's reasons for optimism pretty much all occurred in the same week. After months of relentless bad news one wonders how long the bounce will sustain. Bush -- and more importantly the Repub congress -- have to establish some level of consistency.
I'm not sure how much significance is warranted to place on the CA 50 special election. It was, after all, an election for who will fill the seat for only 6 months. You can't engender much seniority in that period of time. Consequently, the election cycle pretty much starts all over again for the November elections. And if the Repubs have to spend another $10 million on this race, it could really hurt, considering all the other races now in play. One wonders what the strategy is.
On the other hand, and though I wouldn't equate Francine Busby with John Kerry (she lost to Cunningham in 2004 by a far greater margin --about 20 percentage points less -- than Kerry lost to Bush in the same district in 2004), failure to win the CA-50 race was still a significant defeat for the Dems. Then again, they spent about 1/6th of the money that the Reps did. Political calculus is one kind of calculus I'm not very good at. But this was supposed to be a very safe seat, with the majority of the electorate registered Republicans. Further, Cunningham was already off the ticket, so it wasn't about him anymore. That's not true of many of the other districts in play across the country.
Personally, I think the Dems have a huge uphill battle in front of them. They've been playing the anti-Bush card almost exclusively, with no real vision of their own. And the fact is, no matter what you think about the Bush administration (and I think less and less as time goes on), he is a lame duck. Bush doesn't matter anymore. The important question for 2006 is what comes after him. And in that respect I feel it is both a regional question and a national question. How much significance each plays is very much dependent upon the priorities of the national parties as well as the individual candidates. And at this point I don't think either party is a shoe-in for dominance of the House. I think the Dems can forget the Senate, though. That ain't gonna happen.
I agree with you Mark, the Demoblicans don't have a plan. Then again, what is the Republicrat plan?
I too believe that Bush's low standings in the polls have more to do with the competence issue than with ideology. Assuming the competence issue can be divorced from, or folded into the corruption issue, That's a reason for hope. Then again, Barone's reasons for optimism pretty much all occurred in the same week. After months of relentless bad news one wonders how long the bounce will sustain. Bush -- and more importantly the Repub congress -- have to establish some level of consistency.
I'm not sure how much significance is warranted to place on the CA 50 special election. It was, after all, an election for who will fill the seat for only 6 months. You can't engender much seniority in that period of time. Consequently, the election cycle pretty much starts all over again for the November elections. And if the Repubs have to spend another $10 million on this race, it could really hurt, considering all the other races now in play. One wonders what the strategy is.
On the other hand, and though I wouldn't equate Francine Busby with John Kerry (she lost to Cunningham in 2004 by a far greater margin --about 20 percentage points less -- than Kerry lost to Bush in the same district in 2004), failure to win the CA-50 race was still a significant defeat for the Dems. Then again, they spent about 1/6th of the money that the Reps did. Political calculus is one kind of calculus I'm not very good at. But this was supposed to be a very safe seat, with the majority of the electorate registered Republicans. Further, Cunningham was already off the ticket, so it wasn't about him anymore. That's not true of many of the other districts in play across the country.
Personally, I think the Dems have a huge uphill battle in front of them. They've been playing the anti-Bush card almost exclusively, with no real vision of their own. And the fact is, no matter what you think about the Bush administration (and I think less and less as time goes on), he is a lame duck. Bush doesn't matter anymore. The important question for 2006 is what comes after him. And in that respect I feel it is both a regional question and a national question. How much significance each plays is very much dependent upon the priorities of the national parties as well as the individual candidates. And at this point I don't think either party is a shoe-in for dominance of the House. I think the Dems can forget the Senate, though. That ain't gonna happen
Well said Ricorun.
Please explain to me why the simple act, by President Bush, of going to Iraq is "dazzling." Please explain to me why, if it is known that simply visiting Iraq would dazzle people, Bush wouldn't do it for that reason alone. Please explain to me how going to Iraq has any bearing whatsoever on the righteousness of Bush's policy in Iraq. Someone, anyone, please explain...
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 19, 2006 07:03 PM
Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!
Can someone explain to me how even a far left wing radical kook could think Bush is a lame duck? Since he's got a Republican Senate and Republican House if he were to actually put forward some Conservative initiatives they'd pass easily. This is just common sense.
One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, and Dubya makes a 5 hour trip to Iraq - this is what qualifies as a "turning point" (where have we heard that one before?) for the Repugs. Very, very telling.
Mark, I notice you make no mention of the US troops being charged with murder. Must be a tough story to spin, even for you.
"One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, "
Has he EVER been indicted? If so, please show us where he has or is this just another lying statement from you Maf?
Deprogrammer....can I ask you a question.
Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?
If it's not big deal for Bush to go as you opine (he's been there twice) then why doesn't Ted Kennedy get on a plane and travel there to back up his claims that it is a quagmire?
I earnestly look forward to your answer.
"Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?"
Who the hell in their right mind would want to go to Iraq? The only reason Dubya went there (for 5 hours) was so that you babbling idiots would salivate over it. And, what do you know, it worked.
Hook, line, sinker.
I'll give Rove his due, though - he's great at what he does. Now, if he only was working for the good side ...
C-Span just showed President Bush's speech tonight at a Republican fund raiser. Man was President Bush on fire!! He was really in the zone. The democrats are gonna have to do better than blaming President Bush for the weather and suggesting that we fight the war on terror by moving our troops from Iraq to Okinawa.
"Has he EVER been indicted? If so, please show us where he has or is this just another lying statement from you Maf?"
(I posted something earlier to this - server error).
You know what I meant, War Boy - out of ALL of your idols, for once, one of them did not get indicted. Clearer now for you, Warmonger?
One of their idols (Rove) actually doesn't get indicted for once, and Dubya makes a 5 hour trip to Iraq - this is what qualifies as a "turning point" (where have we heard that one before?) for the Repugs. Very, very telling.
Mark, I notice you make no mention of the US troops being charged with murder. Must be a tough story to spin, even for you.
Posted by: maf53 at June 19, 2006 11:31 PM
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Actually Maf, Have any of "THEM" been indicted? Ha, I didn't think so, still holding out that hope tho eh! Where ya been? On vacation, or maybe just not much to say these days!
Who the hell in their right mind would want to go to Iraq?
That's a joke right Maf? Kennedy/right mind! Bwahahaaahaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa! Actually those of us in our RIGHT mind hahahaha, volunteer daily to go! 13,000 in May was it! Can't buy that one off the Kossackers!
"Have any of "THEM" been indicted? Ha, I didn't think so, still holding out that hope tho eh!"
Get your head out of Dubya's cheeks for a minute and open your eyes.
"Thursday, September 29, 2005; Page A01
A Texas grand jury indicted House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) yesterday on a charge of criminally conspiring with two political associates to inject illegal corporate contributions into 2002 state elections that helped the Republican Party reorder the congressional map in Texas and cement its control of the House in Washington.
The indictment forced DeLay, one of the Republicans' most powerful leaders and fundraisers, to step aside under House rules barring such posts to those accused of criminal conduct."
"SAN DIEGO — A tearful, trembling Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Rancho Santa Fe) resigned Monday after pleading guilty to receiving $2.4 million in bribes from military contractors and evading more than $1 million in taxes.
The money involved makes Cunningham's the largest bribery case since several members of Congress were convicted of the crime in the early 1980s."
"MIAMI, Aug. 11 -- Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff and a business partner were indicted by a federal grand jury in Fort Lauderdale on Thursday, charged with five counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy in their purchase of a fleet of Florida gambling boats from a businessman who was later killed in a gangland-style hit."
Should I go on? This is kind of fun.
Now, you Repugs are awful quiet about the troops being charged with murder? Must be another MSM conspiracy.
Um sh.. for brains liberal, thank you very much for coming out of the closet for us once again! So not only are you stereotyping republicans you are also showing your political racism! All republicans are "THEM"! See I just thought cause your a broadminded liberal that you were just talking about them "THEM"(you know, Bush appointy's or cronies), not all republicans no matter what race or creed! Hypocrite! I'm sure I could come up with quite a few dems in simmilar boats, but that would be a waste of my time since I don't judge all democrats by a few bad screw-ups! Altho I do judge most of them,LOL!
So tell me Maf or is it Axis or maybe third blind eye, you guys all sound the same! Maybe your all the same person, maybe your all Osama bin Ladled trying to win the propaganda war, or maybe your zarqawi incarnate, naaaaa he died to soon ago! You guys LEFT(LOL) your RIGHT mind long before he died! Bwahahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa!
It must suck to be LEFT with the LEFT all the while wishing you were RIGHT with the RIGHT! I love being RIGHT when LEFT out in the rain! When the RIGHT girl came along the wrong girl LEFT!
You guys are getting so boring now that you have so little ammunition LEFT!
Now, you Repugs are awful quiet about the troops being charged with murder? Must be another MSM conspiracy.
Posted by: maf53 at June 20, 2006 12:22 AM
By the way MAF, the ultimate difference between the RIGHT way and the LEFT(WRONG)way is that we(THE RIGHT) believe in due process! Charges are just the beginning of that process, and if it was some big LEFTY liberal he'd be innocent even after proven guilty! BIG difference between RIGHT & WRONG(LEFT)!
*Shakes head*
What's there to say about those soldiers charged with murder except that they're innocent until proven guilty. You act like having a few soldiers charged is an inditement on every soldier in the world. That's like saying because one black guy murders someone all black people are murderers.
That's why we're not saying anything about it my friend, because it's a non-isssue outside of it being a murder case.
As for the original topic, haven't we gone through this all before? Considered to be out of the running, washed up, and "done for?" In the end we've always continued on reguardless of what others have said and we will continue to do so.
Ricorun,
My view is that President Bush's support never really dropped below 45% of the electorate - always good to keep in mind that the polls of late have been of "adults" rather than voters, and have heavily over-sampled Democrats. It is, once again, a "what people say/what people do" thing - if the President ever were as unpopular as they say he was and if, say, the liberation of Iraq was that much a political albatross, then there would have been a lot of very prominent GOP defections from President Bush - likely led by John McCain.
There are polls, and then there are polls - the really good ones are those paid for by the parties, but never released by them (too much proprietary info involved)...and those polls must have shown the necessity of last weeks vote tallies on the Iraq resolutions...most Senators - having to face State-wide electorates - understanding that a vote against would have been deadly; meanwhile, all the safe House Democrats voted for surrender, partiall out of conviction, but also partially out of knowledge that if they failed to do so, the raving anti-war base would get mad.
The proof of my view of the political landscape will be known in a bit more than four months - once the votes are counted...if I'm right, then the GOP will pick up 3-7 House seats, and 2-5 Senate seats.
We shall see.
Mark was recently inspired by a John Lennon song to say that love is what is really behind war (in true Orwellian fashion).
Well I think there's a more apt Lennon song to reference these days:
"Im sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypo-critics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
Ive had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope"
The Rovian plot was to fly the president after Zwaqari was killed, speak to the government there, reassure them the US was with them, then fly Bush home "on a high."
Have him say he was "inspired" by a what was going on in Iraq. Have him erase doubts that American people may have about Iraq.
"He told reporters he had some doubts as to whether Iraq's new leaders had the will to succeed. He said the only way to ease those doubts was to go to Baghdad and meet them face-to-face.
"Sitting here in America, wondering whether or not, these people have got what it takes creates some uncertainty," said Mr. Bush. "I have eliminated that uncertainty."
Given the president's track record of looking into the eyes of world leaders and judging their character, we all know how much worth this statement has.
For an accurate picture of how things are going in Iraq, we once again must go to the press (not the government and not the military -- although press is citing the government in this case):
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690071
"For at least six months, we have not been able to use any local staff members for translation at on-camera press events....We cannot call employees in on weekends or holidays without blowing their 'cover.'"
As I have said before, AQ in Iraq is not the worst threat to security in Iraq. That distinction belongs to the sunni/shia civil war currently occurring in Iraq.
Bear,
You are about the biggest Ditto-head around here, well maybe with the exception of CJ.
You guys and your Anti-American, Anti-Soldier policy cheering is getting our boys and girld killed, can't you think about their families for once, and stop promoting the deaths of our soldiers for an illegal war; you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Secondly, on the point made initially in the post about all things being cheery for Der leader, shall we count the ways it isn't:
1. The leader of the free world has to go slinking into an uncontrolled war-zone to get photo-ops with a bewildered and totally unknowing "partner" in the WOT.
2. Seems those dastardly polls you guys don't believe in, don't seem to believe in you either.
3. Civil War, 'nuff said.
4. the latest story of our tough on national security prez, allowing the gutting of INS enforcement of companies who employ illegal aliens, not very comforting when dealing with the 'brown-menace' from the south.
5. Has anyone noticed that the Dubai ports deal is still on the table, infact the senate stripped out the house provision making the sale mandatory, not to mention that the 22 ports are still in the hands of Dubai, did you guys think no one was going to notice that with all that talk, nothing is getting done; sounds like par for the course these days in congress.
6. Oh, what was that Italy, you are starting investigations into the illegal renditions of prisoners to Egypt, and probing the military contract nexus between the outgoing government and the US. LOL!
7. Looks like Mr. Hastert has an issue on his hands back home, I would love to see the right try and wiggle out of TWO indicted House Majority leaders in the same year.
8. Anymore encouraging words for Jefferson?
9. Hey George, look under that couch over there, i think i saw Osama hiding out...oh wait, must have been a shadow, Osama is back in Afghanistan watching our control of that country disintegrate, the drug trade ramp back up higher than before the war, and taliban attacks are increasing...what a joke, this wartime president can't even control one of the poorest nations in the world without screwing it up.
10. Keep asking for paperwork, Scooter, you're doing a "Heck of a job!"
LOL
Bear,
You are about the biggest Ditto-head around here, well maybe with the exception of CJ.
You guys and your Anti-American, Anti-Soldier policy cheering is getting our boys and girld killed, can't you think about their families for once, and stop promoting the deaths of our soldiers for an illegal war; you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Posted by: Third Eye Blind at June 20, 2006
12:47 PM
You are one stupid, blind M.F. The only thing you got right in that post was that I'm a dittohead & damn proud of it!
As to the rest............*fuming* We are those families you blind eyed punk! My brother did 3 tours!.....what about you? I joined in 91' with the sole purpose of kicking saddams a.. and saving ours & others lives..........what'd you do blind eye? Don't talk to me about the families a..munch! The families of the soldiers just found murdered and tortured aren't reminiscing the good ol days with blind eye, they are calling for the U.S. military to get there murderers(take a lesson a..hole, this is and has been WAR)! You should be ashamed for your lack of integrity & lack of patriotism for this country and it's people! You guys are ready to convict and throw away the key on our boyz and then you try to hinder our hunt for the real bad guys! You make me and 99.999999% percent of the military and their families SICK!
get some new talking points blind eye, your old ones are being blown apart one at a time!
Oh yah, I think it was a convo. with you that I said Al Mansur would be the next major terrorist to die, soon after taking zarqawis place. Hear the news blind or are you deaf too, Mansur was KILLED by the U.S. MILITARY! How about that!
"Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!"
bearmanusmc,
please explain what it is to believe in this country. believe it exists? furthermore, how exactly is it clear from me implying that the simple act of going to a country should not dazzle anybody that I don't believe in this country? i could think America is totally awesome (assuming that's a way simplified verison of what you mean by believing in it), yet still think simply going to iraq should not be dazzling, can't i?
"Deprogrammer....can I ask you a question.
Since Ted Kennedy has labeled this war a QUAGMIRE, wouldn't it be nice for him to actually visit Iraq at least once....just once?
If it's not big deal for Bush to go as you opine (he's been there twice) then why doesn't Ted Kennedy get on a plane and travel there to back up his claims that it is a quagmire?
I earnestly look forward to your answer."
As far as Ted Kennedy going to Iraq, are you saying that one should not form an opinion on the Iraq war without going to Iraq first? You have an opinion on the war, don't you? Have you been to Iraq lately? If Ted Kennedy did go to Iraq, would you call it dazzling? If not, please provide a reason why it would be logical to call it dazzling when Bush does it, but not when Kennedy does it.
Furthermore, I have yet to see anyone explain exactly how Bush simply going to Iraq has any bearing on the righteousness of his policy regarding it. I know, It's an impossible task. So why not just admit it? Now, if you want to say Bush did something dazzling on his trip, I'd be glad to consider it, but really, any fool can get on a plane and fly some place, no?
Oh yah, I think it was a convo. with you that I said Al Mansur would be the next major terrorist to die, soon after taking zarqawis place. Hear the news blind or are you deaf too, Mansur was KILLED by the U.S. MILITARY! How about that!
Posted by: bearmanUSMC at June 20, 2006 04:09 PM
My bad, wasn't who I thought it was, although it was a high ranking al-quadea official. that's all I need to know! That bastard that killed our boyz is next! Zarqawi thought he had it bad, these boyz are in for it! I almost(almost) feel sorry for them........NOT!
Bear,
Your service is admirable, but the fact you are supporting the deaths of 2500+ american men and women, makes me sick, you should be ashamed.
We are in a war with no end, we have no exit strategy, and YOU are leaving yours and many other's family members to twist in the wind, while Der Leader trys to pull his sagging numbers up by making 5 hour photo-ops. Screw you and the war-mongers, peace will prevail, no thanks to your anti-american, anti-troop, anti-patriotic, anti-thinking!
/SPIT!
Bear,
Your service is admirable, but the fact you are supporting the deaths of 2500+ american men and women, makes me sick, you should be ashamed.
We are in a war with no end, we have no exit strategy, and YOU are leaving yours and many other's family members to twist in the wind, while Der Leader trys to pull his sagging numbers up by making 5 hour photo-ops. Screw you and the war-mongers, peace will prevail, no thanks to your anti-american, anti-troop, anti-patriotic, anti-thinking!
/SPIT!
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 21, 2006 10:35 AM
Once again blind, you and yours are the underdog minority regardless of how you try to manipulate polls! You don't understand & you never will! The fact that you see us as supporting the death of our brothers is absolutely assinine, but then again so is most everything you post! Maybe you should go join Axis & CO in their liberal utopia while "THE MEN" take care of bussiness! Freak!
"Oh Boy, *sigh*, when you don't believe in this country or it's highest ranking positions and the honor there-in, there is no explaining! Why don't you go get deprogrammed and maybe your mind will work a little better, a little clearer......maybe!"
bearmanusmc,
please explain what it is to believe in this country. believe it exists? furthermore, how exactly is it clear from me implying that the simple act of going to a country should not dazzle anybody that I don't believe in this country? i could think America is totally awesome (assuming that's a way simplified verison of what you mean by believing in it), yet still think simply going to iraq should not be dazzling, can't i?
Posted by: deprogrammer at June 20, 2006 08:06 PM
Judging from the shallowness of your post deprogrammer you are either 15yrs. of age or you don't get out much! You and Natalie Maines have a lot in common!
Join the military, serve with men from all over the United States, men that represent a little part of our beloved country and you will understand what there is to respect and honor! It's the people dips..t not the land! The land is beautiful, but so are many other places! It's the people, it's the billions in aid that goes out to people in and out of our country, it's the desire to be the leaders of the free world and show others they can have a a better life, it's about those boyz and girlz that are willing no matter what the cost to secure our freedom as well as others! G.B. is our Commander-in-Chief, and that position demands respect from nations much less persons regardless of repub. or demoncrat! It's about believing in what America was born to be!
bearmanUSMC: fine, you're right. Americans do many wonderful things and their structure of government is brilliantly compassionate, at large, so, THEREFORE, anytime a President gets on a plane to go somewhere, s/he should get a bounce in the polls for doing something so dazzling, regardless of what s/he actually does on the trip and regardless of whether s/he only went because s/he knew that people would be dazzled by it and their support for him/her would go up, as desired (which I am not claiming to be or not to be the case, but only to be plausible and therefore worth considering). makes perfect sense...how could i be so stupid not to see the LOGICAL connection earlier? ooo, ooo, and when Bush rides his bike, i should just be awestruck. and don't even get me started thinking about the stars i'll see when he hits the toilet bowl while pissing, or even if he misses, or even if he stabs a baby in the heart, cause shoot, he's our commander-in-chief, good or bad, and it's not the nature of what he does, just the fact that he is c-i-c while he does it! granted, when he did all these things before he became c-i-c, they were not dazzling, but the instant that he became such, the nature of these things changed in and of themselves, somehow. my guess, is through magic. thanks for sharing so much wisdom with me! well, i better head to bed, i've got pre-school in the morning...