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I do also think that the Internet has proven to be a more powerful tool on our side than it has been for the other side. It has proven to be a tool on our side to sort of unite Conservatives and have a healthy intra-movement dialogue. But it’s essentially been something that has helped us gain in influence and broaden our appeal. Among Democrats, my sense is that the blog world has tended to strengthen the far Left of the Democratic Party at the expense of liberal, but somewhat less liberal, members of their party. It has tended to sort of drive their party even further to the Left rather than focusing on good ideas that would help unite people around common goals and common purposes. Instead, the Internet for the Left of the Democratic Party has served as a way to mobilize hate and anger — hate and anger, first and foremost, at this President and Conservatives, but then also at people within their own party whom they consider to be less than completely loyal to this very narrow, very out-of-the-mainstream, very far Left-wing ideology that they tend to represent.
Posted by Matt at June 16, 2006 08:14 PM

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There are certainly a lot of whack jobs on the far left.
There are a lot on the far right, as well. The two attributes of blogging, anonyminity and wide dissemination, means that anyone with a keyboard can say the most outrageous things with impunity.
The difference is that we are listening to the wackiest leftists.
The MSM, as was just pointed out in this blog, has reduced the effect of the insurgency in Iraq by not giving it as much attention as before.
Maybe by concentrating on the more reasonable bloggers out there, and ignoring the boobs, the country's level of discourse will improve.
This is one goal that everyone reading this blog can work towards. Stop feeding the moonbats.
Rove's been a busy boy. Last week, he was fundraising for the legal fees of those CONVICTED of criminal actions regarding the phone jamming during 2004. Republicans live helping criminals, they can relate to them.
This week, he gets off the hook from lying to a grand jury, but still is deep in the sh-t regarding the Plame incident.
He has already admitted that he outted Valerie Plame to reporters, but was apparently authorized to do it by either the VP, or the president.
Now he has the gall to speak about others.
And B4B supports him wholeheartedly. The bigger a criminal, the worst their crimes, the more you guys like them.
axis proves once again that blind hatred runs the liberal far left (a redundancy, I know).
I can't figure out how these despicable, repugnant, semi-humans get their anger. Rather than engage in useful discourse, these moronic evil-doers, pedofiles and perverts feel spewing vituperative bile and vitriol serves their purposes,
Why all the hatered of America and our greatest president, Mr. Bush? Why do you loser scumbags hate when all we offer is sensibility and brotherhood? Why are you so empty inside that your shit-filled brain can only deal with anger?
Pity.
Here Rove is fundraising for legal fees for the Republican criminals convicted of suppressing the democratic vote.
No hate here, just pointing out the Republican tendency to side with criminals and convicts.
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Before blasting Dems, Rove should check GOP’s habits
Tribune Editorial
June 16, 2006
Freed from the threat of indictment, President Bush’s political swami, Karl Rove, was on the road and on the attack again.
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The advisor Bush calls “The Architect” for his role in Republican political victories was in New Hampshire the other night, bucking up GOP officials still reeling from their local party’s role in a phone-jamming scandal.
After months when nothing seemed to go right, the White House has had a run of good news — Rove live, al-Zarqawi dead and a government in Iraq functional enough for the president to pay a visit — and it was refreshing to see the Bush camp able to stand up and punch back for a change.
And punch back Rove did, indicating that the campaign tactics and rhetoric this fall will not be for the faint-hearted or fastidious.
He all but accused Democratic critics of the war like Sen. John Kerry and Rep John Murtha of cowardice, “cutting and running.”
Said Rove, according to The Washington Post, “They may be with you for the first shots. But they’re not going . . . to be with you for the tough battles.” That’s fine. It’s fair test of a party’s and a candidate’s mettle how they respond to unfair attacks, a test Kerry conspicuously failed in 2004. Seeking to sharpen his party’s differences with the Democrats, Rove said, “They’re for higher taxes. We’re for lower taxes. They’re for more spending. We’re for less spending.”
Stop right there, Mr. Architect man. That’s way too ridiculous assertion for us innocent bystanders. Lower taxes? OK. But less spending? Oh, please. Give us a break. Bush is the biggest spender of any president in almost 40 years, the most open-handed president since Lyndon Johnson. Bush shepherded into law the largest, most expensive entitlement program — prescription drugs — since the Great Society. Federal spending has grown twice as fast under Bush as Clinton.
Federal spending went up by a third in his first term and by the time this year is out it will have gone up a total of 45 percent, according to the Bush-friendly Heritage Foundation. Bush has been aided and abetted by the Republican Congress, which the episodically Bush-friendly Cato Institute says, “enthusiastically assisted the budget bloat.”
It noted that spending on the 101 largest programs Republicans pledged to eliminate when they took over Congress in 1995 have increased 27 percent.
When Bush this year proposed a modest $65 billion cut in growth of entitlements, the Republicans ignored him, assuming he wasn’t serious.
After all, Bush has never vetoed a spending bill or any other bill for that matter. The Architect needs to go back to the drawing board on the spending claim.
CotC,
Abraham Lincon is the greatest president in American history. See, unlike Bush, Lincon was a man of principles, of morals, and of integrity. Lincon was a man who acually cared about the American people and tried to hold the Union together.
Bush is just a sellout whoring himself to the Saudis, big oil, and Corporate America. Lincon would be ashamed that Bush would even call himself a Republican.
'Semi-humans'? 'Evil-doers'? I may not agree with your political views, but I still consider you an American, no matter how fustrated I am on how thick you guys are. That's the difference between me and you: I don't consider you an enemy, but anyone who doesn't agree with you or the president is the enemy or un-patriotic.
Why do I bother?
Matt, why do you bother putting titles on these posts? Save yourself some time, and just write "Today's fight!" On the top of each one.
Guys,
I know it's probably a stretch, but could you think - just for a moment, it won't hurt - think about what Rove SAID, and what you opinion of what he SAID, might be?
What he said is that liberal posters to the internet tend to be of the far left variety - the kinds of people who (for example) cannot stay on topic, cannot express arguments against views, but can only attack the person expressing the views.
Like now.
In the first place, the legal defense fees were for costs incurred by a civil suit brought by the democrat party because their get-out-the-vote lines had been jammed. It wasn't enought that the three operatives were convicted, the democrats had to sue as well. And not a single voter was "disenfranchised." If you don't go and vote unless you get your reminder/wakeup call and promise of a carton of cigarettes and liter of booze from the democrat party, then boo-freakin-hoo for you.
Teenage liberal--every time you open your mouth, your ignorance of history is displayed, and is appalling. Maybe you're still in school and you have a chance to learn something yet. Abraham Lincoln was a great president who stood on his convictions that the union was inseparable. He was mercilessly ridiculed (Abe the Ape--sound familiar?) and opposed by those who 1)criticized his prosecution of the war and 2) thought that the North should just let the south go. The criticism that you seem to be making (that Lincoln was a uniter, not a divider, like that bad Bush) is the apex of asininity. Unless you feel that Bush should be more like Lincoln, in which case people like you could be jailed and have your habeas corpus rights suspended. Or you think military force is the true model for creating unity.
Adriandrews, time for you to wake up.
Bush has already gotten rid of habeas corpus, all they have to do is say you are a terrorist and you can be jailed forever with no charges, no counsel and no hope for a trial. Bush has wiped out the third ammendment, you are no longer guaranteed protection from unlawful search and seizure, now they can search and seize without warrants and now thanks to the supreme court ruling, they don't even have to knock, they just bash you door down and haul you away to a secret prison. You are not even protected against prison torture, its going on and commonplace. If they really don't like you, they will render you to egypt or syria where you will be tortured and murdered. Bush is attacking the first ammendment, threatening reporters with jail for publishing information on their unlawful acts, spying on reporters to find out their sources. Bush has alienated the united states from the rest of the world in just 5 years. He has also divided the United States more than it has even been, since the civil war. He has declared his executive power to be absolute, he has declared himself to be above the law, can dowhatever he wants, to whomever he wants.
Abe Lincoln would be a welcome replacement to the world for the fascist in the white house.
And once again axis exhibits foot-in-mouth disease and in doing so exhibits behavior that supports Mr. Rove's contentions concerning liberal's behavior towards President Bush and conservatives in general. Axis's erroneous comments, falsehoods and hate-speech shows a pettiness and vitriol commonly exhibited by extremists. Plus it's ironic that axis's hatred is so strong that axis is either unwilling or unable to even see it. Therefore axis remains in the darkness of denial. Pity poor axis.
Small Town Hick
Just look to As-if and Teenage Illiterate for a sample of exactly what Rove describes.
Rather than respond in a calm way to the reasoned topic of the article, As-if blasts Rove with a bunch of stuff that was just discreditied when he was found Not Guilty by the Plame Kerfuffle Grand Jury.
Then, when I calmly point out how wrong that notion is, how As-if may not be the greatest patriot for lashing out at our leaders in a time of war and that I don't understand for whence this despicable and blinding hatred of Bush and America come, along comes Teenage Illiterate to blast Bush and trumpet that one-term loser Lincoln.
Rove is right, you cannot have areasonable conversation with liberals. Their only place in the blogs is to attack from the ultra-far left with invective from their slimy, perverted brains.
".....As-If may not be the greatest patriot for lashing out at our leaders during a time of war......"
So just because we are at war we no longer have the luxury to express concern about an elected public offical's stance on foreign policy? Well, one of your own would say different.
"To announce that there must be no critcism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, in not only considered unpatriotic and servile, it is also considered morally treasonable to the American public."
-REPUBLICAN President Theodore Rosevelt
btw Conservative--that one term loser helped bring about the end of slavery and won the Civil War.
Lincon = strong leadership, champion of injustice
Dubya = incompetent leadership, dumber than a bag of rocks
Thanks for playing and good night!
axis..what a fertile imagination you have. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus for American citizens. I'm baffled to think you can be referring to anyone Bush has imprisoned for terrorism other than the Gitmo captives from the battlefield in Afghanistan. And the press cannot hide behind the first amendment when it chooses to publish secrets of national security. If it does something illegal, it deserves prosecution and justice. As for "kicking in doors" and hauling you off to secret prisons in Egypt because of the new Supreme Court ruling, you must surely realize that this decision only said that evidence obtained by police who do a kick-in can not necessarily be excluded from a criminal trial. Your argumentation is so hyperbolic and hyperventilating, I can't imagine that you and I live in the same country. You must lie awake in fear at night that they're coming to take you away, ha ha, they're coming to take you away, he he, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time..."
Teenage Liberal
The presidents you refer to are Roosevelt and Lincoln. Furthermore, you could also provide the full quote from TR:
Also interesting would be the context. This was during World War I, which President Wilson was notoriously slow to enter, and about which Roosevelt was very critical of the President's isolationism. I think you are practicing a corrupt interpretation of history when you, an isolationist extremist, quote TR, a jingoistic warrior in defense of your position. But even TR demanded that the truth be told about and to Wilson, unlike today's liberals, who lie every time they say "Bush lied us into war."
Gee, and all this time I thought Lincoln had been assasinated during his 2nd term ... silly me.
axis..what a fertile imagination you have. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus for American citizens. I'm baffled to think you can be referring to anyone Bush has imprisoned for terrorism other than the Gitmo captives from the battlefield in Afghanistan.
-- I guess that you missed the part where there are american citizens in those prisons as well, many kidnapped from America and held indefinately without charge or due process.
And the press cannot hide behind the first amendment when it chooses to publish secrets of national security. If it does something illegal, it deserves prosecution and justice.
-- Really? I can't recall the last time one was prosecuted for reporting on government secret corruption and secret lawbreaking. In fact the US has whistleblower laws in effect for this exact purpose, to allow government employees to reveal government corruption and lawbreaking. The Bush administration hides everything it does behind the classified banner, mostly because it is illegal and impeachable offenses. This is why Alberto Gonzalez is desperately trying to have all the dozens of lawsuits against the government NSA spying program dismissed. It is goes to trial, it will blow the lid off the lawlessness of the program and reveal that it goes much, much further than collecting phone records and listening to foreign calls. I think that it is more important to see if the government is doing illegal things and if so, action needs to be taken.
" can't recall the last time one was prosecuted for reporting on government secret corruption and secret lawbreaking"
Over 2 Billion dollars have been returned to the US Treasurey for false claims, over three hundred persons have been charged with bringing false qui tam / whistleblower suits.
Are you intentionally stupid or is it a product of environment?