Guess I was wrong on this one. My guess is that it came down to Fitzgerald not being able to that Rove's conversation with Cooper simply just didn't slip his mind.
I'm disappointed to hear that Fitzgerald will not be commenting further on the case. I was hoping that 1 way or another that he'd put the rest whether Plame was a covert CIA agent and whether it would have been a crime to intentionally reveal her status if he'd been able to prove that.
His first press conference certainly inferred that, as he said he didn't press charges against Libby because of Libby's obscruction (Libby COULD have been charged, which infers that Plame was covert). But, yet, the debate still rages on.
But, maybe the Libby trial will hold more answers.
Posted by: Tom Shipley at June 13, 2006 08:49 AM
Now I see what it must have felt like for black folks when OJ was aquitted.
LOL!!
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 13, 2006 08:55 AM
"Guess I was wrong on this one."
Well, wadda you know, there is a 1 millionith time for everything.
Posted by: Vero at June 13, 2006 09:02 AM
I guess we can allow this one small victory for the Republicans in the face of the dozens of other scandals dragging the administration and congress down.
This case however has more to do with Alberto Gonzalez saving Rove's bacon at the 11th hour by blocking the indictment than it has to do with Rove being innocent. The White House knows that another super scandal right at election time would sink whatever chance they had to maintain the majoity.
Republicans have been covering up and pardoning other corrupt Republicans for decades, and the white house has been covering up it lawbreaking and corruption for over 5 years, so this is no different.
Posted by: axis at June 13, 2006 09:08 AM
Million $ Movie idea that the libs would have loved to see "Rove frog-hopping off to jail", wonder how much it would reap at the box office? Anyone interested in finding a film crew and Rove look-alike? (Michael Moore type documentary...)
Posted by: dl at June 13, 2006 09:10 AM
I would like to see a lot of apologies here. I'm sure i won't, but they are definitely in order. Now off to dailykos to get my morning laugh. Wonder how many of them have committed suicide over this.
Posted by: Rich at June 13, 2006 09:13 AM
Rove look-alike? (Michael Moore...
I can see it.
Posted by: Tom Shipley at June 13, 2006 09:15 AM
Karl Rove cleared. ...Al-Zarqawi killed. ...The liberal blog scoop that wasn't.
How much more good news can the LibDims take in one week?
AAR
Posted by: AAR at June 13, 2006 09:16 AM
Of course I am disappointed that I won't get to see the frog-march, but Rove is a modern day Machiavelli, and is as slippery as an eel. Maybe GW begged Fitzgerald for mercy.
Axis, do you have any proof of your theory-or is it just wishful thinking? I know there were internet rumors a month ago that Rove had already been indicted?? Will we ever really know the truth-or will we just get layer after layer of cover-ups out of the W.H.?
Posted by: kritter at June 13, 2006 09:20 AM
I wonder if Karl Rove is in Bagdad with President Bush.
Who knows what they could be planning there!
AAR
Posted by: AAR at June 13, 2006 09:20 AM
why r we talking 'bout a convicted felon serving time?
oh, wait...we're not!
much aplame about nothing (nuck, nuck, nuck)
Posted by: OhioOrrin at June 13, 2006 09:22 AM
major crash on isle 4, patient by the name of Axis needs a Waaaaaaaaaahbulance.
Posted by: Vero at June 13, 2006 09:23 AM
Better luck next time, Tom. Even though I disagree with you most of the time, I respect the fact that you came on here before anyone else and admitted you were wrong.
I wouldn't hold your breath on there even being a Libby trial. If you want some really good background material on why I say that, go read these posts by Clarice Feldman and Doug Hanson at American Thinker here, here, here and here. Actually, read the last one first as I posted them in reverse chronological order.
Tom McGuire at JOM has also done yeoman's work on the Libby case as have many of his readers.
Posted by: Retired Spook at June 13, 2006 09:24 AM
Retired Spook
The libby case is unraveling faster than the Haditha lie.
Posted by:
CJ at June 13, 2006 09:29 AM
Posted by: Vero at June 13, 2006 09:30 AM
Axis, do you have any proof of your theory-or is it just wishful thinking? I know there were internet rumors a month ago that Rove had already been indicted?? Will we ever really know the truth-or will we just get layer after layer of cover-ups out of the W.H.?
-- It was filed under seal, so the public does not have access to it. Gonzalez is the only one that has the authority to cripple a special prosecutors investigation and if you think he would not do it, you are on something. This is his job, to cover up for the White House, its all he has been doing since he was appointed. Covering up illegal NSA spying, covering up corruption, cracking down on government whistleblowers, threatening reporters etc.
Posted by: axis at June 13, 2006 09:31 AM
Tom, I like your idea of Michael Moore frog hopping off to jail better. If we do both Rove & Moore, we could market it to both sides of the aisle, and make twice the money.
Posted by: dl at June 13, 2006 09:32 AM
Whack, Whack, Whack...more 2by4 reality beatings for the lib commie moonbats.
Karl...you the Man!
More liberal media lies meeting the truth...and they wonder why their veiwers and readers are turning them off.
Axis...Alberto stopped this...smoking crack would make you...smarter.
Posted by:
Nebraska Militia at June 13, 2006 09:35 AM
axis, how did you get access to it, if it was under a seal?
Posted by: dl at June 13, 2006 09:35 AM
Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories...you guys should start a blog, it might be very interesting.
At any rate, there never was anything to the Plame kerfuffle, and I expect the Libby indictment will eventually be dismissed - or, if it does go to trial, that Libby will be swiftly exhonerated.
To repeat = Joe Wilson lied about what he did in Africa, the Bush Administration set the record straight; Plame was not covert nor was her name leaked to the press, because her name was already in the public domain. This whole thing has been a figment of leftwing imagination - and, personally, I think we, the people should bring a class action suit against the DNC, MoveOn, DailyKos, DU and other leftwing outfits to recover the taxpayer money spent on this fiasco.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at June 13, 2006 09:38 AM
Axis, If it was filed under a seal, just how do you know about it?
Posted by: dl at June 13, 2006 09:38 AM
"axis, how did you get access to it, if it was under a seal"
he still has his Super x-rayvision glasses he received for his 14th birthday.
p.s. Happy Birthday Axis, hope your 15th Birthday is every bit as wonderful as your 14th.
Posted by: Vero at June 13, 2006 09:44 AM
"Even though I disagree with you most of the time, I respect the fact that you came on here before anyone else and admitted you were wrong."
Yeah, it's that whole little league/paradox of the cross thing... power through weakness, character is shown when you lose, blah, blah, blah
Posted by: Tom Shipley at June 13, 2006 09:54 AM
"If we do both Rove & Moore, we could market it to both sides of the aisle, and make twice the money."
Cellblock 911. When two ideological opposites find themselves as cellmates, they'll find that politics DOES make strange bedfellows. It's OZ meets The West Wing.
Posted by: Tom Shipley at June 13, 2006 10:02 AM
Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories...you guys should start a blog, it might be very interesting.
-- Yes Mark, we all know that you view ANY bad news for the Republicans as a liberal conspiracy. You still can't even admit to the rampant corruption in the party, insisting that only democrats are corrupt.
When something comes along that you can't put a spin on, you say nothing and pretend it doesn't exist.
Posted by: axis at June 13, 2006 10:03 AM
For those of you that might be walking the streets of Washington DC today watch out for Democrats and other liberals throwing themselves off tall buildings.
Should you be visiting the studios of MSNBC, give Matthews a wide berth because he’ll be jumping up and down, slobbering on himself and crying uncontrollably.
Posted by: rplat at June 13, 2006 10:08 AM
For those of you that might be walking the streets of Washington DC today watch out for Democrats and other liberals throwing themselves off tall buildings.
Should you be visiting the studios of MSNBC, give Matthews a wide berth because he’ll be jumping up and down, slobbering on himself and crying uncontrollably.
Posted by: rplat at June 13, 2006 10:10 AM
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Posted by: AYTQ at June 13, 2006 10:37 AM
Let us all bow our heads and say a prayer for Karl Rove. God forbid Dubya do his own thinking we would all be in trouble.
Posted by: mike h at June 13, 2006 11:14 AM
Axis -I had heard it was under seal over at Truthout.org, but again there's no real proof. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch for me to believe that Gonzales would do it, though.
If true,couldn't Fitzgerald have leaked that to the media? He seems as straight an arrow as they come, and I always respected him.
Posted by: kritter at June 13, 2006 11:23 AM
With Karl Rove still in place who needs Tom Delay to kick around? Good luck Karl. Peace
Posted by: steve at June 13, 2006 11:26 AM
Just a walk down memory lane...
"He will be indicted. Fitzgerald is a bulldog and is making absolute sure that he has Rove by the short and curlies before he officially indictes him as he knows how manipulative and slick Rove is." axis May 22
"Rove is indicted for lying to a grand jury about his role in dissimating classified information that led to the outing of a CIA agent." Tom Shipley at May 22
Libby and Rove both leaked Plame’s identity, and they have both admitted to it. Libby has been indicted for lying about it and Rove, so far, has escaped indictment, but the investigation is not over. Blarney April 13
And everyone else in this thread. All dancing about, “woo hoo! The libs are gonna lose this one! This new evidence proves Libby is going to skate! What dems are idiots." Well, guess what, idiots, none of you could answer my question as to what new evidence benefits Libby, and myself and shortz have provided evidence that, if anything, hurts Libby’s (and Rove’s) case? Tom Shipley February 5
Well, i was wrong about Rove being out of the white house by today. I will say in my defense that I chose Dec. 1 as a date because I thought the investigation would be over. I still think he has a good chance of being gone once fitzgerald's investigation ends. Tom Shipley at December 1, 2005
Actually, Fitzgerald said Libby was the first "known" person to expose a covert CIA agent. Woodward's revelation has no effect on Libby's case. Instead of winding down, Woodward gave Fitzgerald's investigation a second wind. More indictments are coming. I am guessing this time it will be Rove and/or Chaney. Christian Wright at November 22, 2005
Let's be realistic though; even with Libby and Rove gone there won't be any significant changes in the direction of the White House. I believe that the only really noticable difference will be external to the White House, in the parking lot where 2 additional parking spaces will be freed up in the Morally Handicapped section. phil at November 7, 2005
Face it, Libby and Rove blew it, and comitted a terrible act by leaking her name. Dave Johnson at November 6, 2005
Posted by: phnxbmed at June 13, 2006 11:30 AM
kritter,
Oh, for crying out loud - THERE WAS NO INDICTMENT...never was, never will be; Truthout is one of the most bogus websites in existence...
Geesh; grasp some reality: There was never anything to the Plame kerfuffle other than the fact that Joe Wilson is a liar.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at June 13, 2006 11:33 AM
I wonder if kritter even knows that Gonzales recused himself in this case?
Posted by:
CJ at June 13, 2006 11:48 AM
Hey, Dims---don't give up!! Put Ronnie Earle on the case! It might take him several grand juries, but give him enough time and he might put together one that will indict on something that was not a crime in the first place. After all, that precedent has been set.
Love axis' new conspiracy theory. 'Gonzales stifled Fitzgerald to cover up some terrible crime committed by Rove.' You gotta twist some antennae into that tinfoil on the top, axis, or the reception will continue to be fuzzy. On the other hand, fuzzy works best with you.
Tom, Fitzgerald never even inquired into Plame's status. My guess is that that would have opened a whole new can of worms, stretching from the repeated Wilson comments on his wife's job to the confirmation of her employment via a simple phone call to the CIA. It might even have dealt with her own incompetence, in telling some people she worked for the CIA and others that she worked for this supposedly secret undercover company, in getting her name on public documents as an employee of this secret company knowing that others had been told she worked for the CIA,and even for the undercover company being so badly put together and backed up that a reporter could check them out on the internet and discover they were fake in a few minutes.
Posted by: Almiranta at June 13, 2006 11:49 AM
Mark,
Just want to correct your statements. Joe Wilson did not lie in his original op-ed. (Try reading the damn thing instead of just commenting on right-wing spin of it.) He did not say the VP personally directed the fact-finding mission, nor did he say that the Bush administration's whole case for war was bogus; he simply reported what he found on his trip. (Nothing)
Second, you say Plame was not covert and her identity was not leaked. By their actions, both the CIA and the DOJ disagree. You mention that Valerie Plame's identity as a covert CIA agent was already "in the public domain". Please provide proof of that, otherwise stop pushing this bogus line. (And no, citing sources that mention Valerie Plame as Joe Wilson's wife DO NOT count as public knowledge of Plame's identity as a CIA agent.)
As for a class action law suit, I'll say this. Having been a participant in numerous public community meetings, I've learned a few truths. When someone starts a statement out "I think we the people should do...", that generally means that you think someone ELSE should do something. If you want a class action suit against Daily Kos, then go ahead and get started! Turn off that Fox News and get to work!
Posted by: steve at June 13, 2006 11:53 AM
Karl last night pounded 2 John's (Kerry/Murtha) with 2 barrels. "If Murtha had his way, we would have left Iraq in April, and Zarqawi would not be dead today."
Welcome back Karl... pound the dickens out of those who wanted your hide. Watch the approval ratings of Bush rise --- Just in time for elections. Excellent!!!
Little damage from Alberto in FL, major damage by Karl in DC ---
Posted by: dl at June 13, 2006 11:55 AM
kritter, it was reported elsewhere as well, "sealed vs. sealed" on the same day and time as Fitz was there.
As I said, I am ok with this SMALL victory, after all, Rove would have only got a couple years max for lying and obstruction. Need to get something better such as corruption or falsifying intelligence to send him away for 20 years like he should be
Posted by: axis at June 13, 2006 12:17 PM
Love axis' new conspiracy theory. 'Gonzales stifled Fitzgerald to cover up some terrible crime committed by Rove.' You gotta twist some antennae into that tinfoil on the top, axis, or the reception will continue to be fuzzy. On the other hand, fuzzy works best with you.
-- Everything is a conspiracy theory to you. Even things that the administration has ADMITTED to, you continue to deny and write it off as a conspiracy theory.
Whats worse, a person that does not trust a government that has been lying to the public since the day they assumed office, covering up lawbreaking and frustrating congression oversight,
Or a person like you that denies everything, no matter what, no matter how much evidence shows to the contrary, no matter how many get indicted, no matter how many get sent to the slammer.
I'll take the first thanks.
People like you in Germany were the first to go into those ovens and gas showers. Denied everything, believed nothing until it was too late.
I guess I am too dumb to walk in there on my own like you though, must be that foil leaking and giving me metal poisening for not being as gulliable as you are.
Posted by: axis at June 13, 2006 12:24 PM
axis,
You have no credibility.
You should be a fiction writer. Maybe you are!
You include facts, but spun and bundled in a story envelope of your own making.
AAR
Posted by: AAR at June 13, 2006 12:31 PM
But, but, but, but, but, but all the liberal whack jobs on here GUARANTEED this was coming only last month.
What a riot. Maybe they need to adjust their tinfoil hats a bit.
Posted by: Warriornation at June 13, 2006 12:33 PM
"Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories." Mark N.
Mark, awhile back you said that Fitzgerald would indict Karl Rove regardless of the facts because it would be a good way to boost his career. So now that you've wrongly impugned Fitzgerald's ethics, are you going to show class now, or continue with paranoid conspiracy theories?
Posted by: longz at June 13, 2006 12:47 PM
So, Rove is still guilty, no matter what that little matter of due process and rule of law says
Yeah--it's like he's Bill Clinton or something!
By the way, Mark, Steve's right and you're wrong about Plame. Not that being wrong has ever mattered to you before, but, you know, just for the sake of clarification.
Posted by: SeesThroughIt at June 13, 2006 01:15 PM
Clarification??? A gallon of Windex couldn’t clarify your crap. What is clear are your tactics (lies) and they become more useless every time you try them.
Posted by: DM at June 13, 2006 03:13 PM
And so this is Fitzmas,
Yet what do we hear?
Rove won’t be indicted,
The Bushbot end is not near.
This is not a Merry Fitxmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
There’ll be no indictment,
That’s just what Fitz said.
There is no more Justice!
All our Liberty's dead.!
This is not a Merry Fitzmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
Despite of our theories.
Despite all that we say.
Fitzgerald didn’t listen,
He let the rat get away
This is not a Merry Fitzmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
Posted by: Ray at June 13, 2006 03:53 PM
Steve,
It was when Wilson claimed he found nothing that he first lied - in his oral debriefing at CIA, his report indicated that Saddam had, indeed, attempted to obtain uranium in Niger.
This lie about what he found was just the first in a string of lies. And you really should pay attention to the fact that Wilson wrote his op-ed just a month after becoming a Kerry advisor...if you can't recognise a political hatchet-job for what it is, then you've got a really weak understanding of politics.
As for Plame - the referral was likely made by yet another CIA employee at odds with Bush Administration policy, while DOJ had to take it seriously or there would have been cries of "cover up" on the left...in the end, of course, there were still such cries, but you've got to give Ashcroft credit for trying to be fair.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at June 13, 2006 04:37 PM
Mark;
You hit the nail on the head mentioning how much this witch hunt cost the tax payers.
When the REAL CRIMINAL - Klinton was investigated all we heard from the wacko left was crying about how much the investigation cost the taxpayers.
Funny we dont hear a whimper, about how much it cost to indict ONE MAN for allegedly lying about a NON-crime from the NEO libs.
Posted by: bill at June 13, 2006 06:11 PM
Axis- The main reason liberals wanted Rove indicted-besides the entertaining spectacle of a frog-march- was to keep him off the campaign trail in '06. I had read on some other blogs that the indictment was sealed, and that he was cooperating with Fitzgerald, who wanted to get at Cheney's involvement??? I guess we'll never know now.
Posted by: kritter at June 13, 2006 10:16 PM
It's a NEW conspiracy theory!! Now Rove is really indicted, but in SECRET, doncha know......
Actually, I read on a blog that the real Rove has been replaced by a surgically enhanced look-alike whose job is to keep Bush from being re-elected in '08, while the real Rove has been spirited off to a (gasp!) SECRET PRISON in Vermont, where he is being TORTURED for his campaign strategy secrets. It seems that Howard Dean wants to mount a comeback and plans to have the REAL Karl Rove surgically altered to look like Susan Sarandon, so no one will suspect anything as he/she accompanies Dean on the campaign trail. Rove, being a typical neocon snake in the grass who would sell his own grandmother for the chance at enough power to bomb a country or two (especially if it had OIL) will require very little in the way of brainwashing---he will just need to be desensitized to screaming in the high registers favored by Dean.
What? Bush is not even RUNNING in '08? Then why the nonstop attacks on him? You woulda thought they'd be focusing on the front runners and trying to stir up the same degree of irrational loathing for THEM, wouldn't you?
But at least we have the straight skinny on Rove. Secretly indicted. I wonder just which blog that appeared on?
Posted by: Almiranta at June 14, 2006 12:27 AM
Dance in the streets while you can, for this is likely one of the last good news pieces that you will have for awhile and we have 5 months of bad news to continue to report on Republican wrongdoing.
There are a dozen lawsuits before the courts suing over the NSA spying, Gonzalez is trying to block them with the states secret clause, but all it takes is ONE judge denying the motion to blow the whole lid off the NSA illegal spying and reveal all the dirty little secrets ... right at election time.
Let us not forget, that before 1994, when Republicans took control of Congress, it had been 48 years since you had done that, so the voters had traditionally preferred Democratic lawmakers and after seeing all the sleaze and corruption that this congress is all about, its going to cost you big time in November.
So do all your celebrating now, as you will be crying near the end of the year
Posted by: axis at June 14, 2006 02:03 AM
Mark… Because of the fact that Fitzgerald is a bumbling fool, it might actually work to the left’s advantage to have the Libby case dismissed. The case is a no-win train wreck and Fitzgerald is scrambling to save face. How do you save face when you’ve spent all this time and all this money with no conviction? Well the proper thing to do would be to be to let the truth be known but that would be too big an embarrassment for him. So the next best thing is to set things up such that the case gets dismissed by a judge. That way the left could claim; 1.) The judge is in the back pocket of the White House and 2.) Libby walked from a “sure” conviction. They could ride that lie forever and some people would buy it.
Posted by: DM at June 14, 2006 07:31 AM
Axis....you're Canadian remember? You don't mean anything to anyone, as usual.
Posted by: DM at June 14, 2006 11:28 AM
... states secret clause?
does this mean Karl Rove is on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION?
Hahahahahahahah ... HAhahahahahaha! Oh, God, make it stop ... HAHAhahahahahahah!
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at June 16, 2006 05:41 PM
Guess I was wrong on this one. My guess is that it came down to Fitzgerald not being able to that Rove's conversation with Cooper simply just didn't slip his mind.
I'm disappointed to hear that Fitzgerald will not be commenting further on the case. I was hoping that 1 way or another that he'd put the rest whether Plame was a covert CIA agent and whether it would have been a crime to intentionally reveal her status if he'd been able to prove that.
His first press conference certainly inferred that, as he said he didn't press charges against Libby because of Libby's obscruction (Libby COULD have been charged, which infers that Plame was covert). But, yet, the debate still rages on.
But, maybe the Libby trial will hold more answers.
Now I see what it must have felt like for black folks when OJ was aquitted.
LOL!!
"Guess I was wrong on this one."
Well, wadda you know, there is a 1 millionith time for everything.
I guess we can allow this one small victory for the Republicans in the face of the dozens of other scandals dragging the administration and congress down.
This case however has more to do with Alberto Gonzalez saving Rove's bacon at the 11th hour by blocking the indictment than it has to do with Rove being innocent. The White House knows that another super scandal right at election time would sink whatever chance they had to maintain the majoity.
Republicans have been covering up and pardoning other corrupt Republicans for decades, and the white house has been covering up it lawbreaking and corruption for over 5 years, so this is no different.
Million $ Movie idea that the libs would have loved to see "Rove frog-hopping off to jail", wonder how much it would reap at the box office? Anyone interested in finding a film crew and Rove look-alike? (Michael Moore type documentary...)
I would like to see a lot of apologies here. I'm sure i won't, but they are definitely in order. Now off to dailykos to get my morning laugh. Wonder how many of them have committed suicide over this.
Rove look-alike? (Michael Moore...
I can see it.
Karl Rove cleared. ...Al-Zarqawi killed. ...The liberal blog scoop that wasn't.
How much more good news can the LibDims take in one week?
AAR
Of course I am disappointed that I won't get to see the frog-march, but Rove is a modern day Machiavelli, and is as slippery as an eel. Maybe GW begged Fitzgerald for mercy.
Axis, do you have any proof of your theory-or is it just wishful thinking? I know there were internet rumors a month ago that Rove had already been indicted?? Will we ever really know the truth-or will we just get layer after layer of cover-ups out of the W.H.?
I wonder if Karl Rove is in Bagdad with President Bush.
Who knows what they could be planning there!
AAR
why r we talking 'bout a convicted felon serving time?
oh, wait...we're not!
much aplame about nothing (nuck, nuck, nuck)
major crash on isle 4, patient by the name of Axis needs a Waaaaaaaaaahbulance.
Better luck next time, Tom. Even though I disagree with you most of the time, I respect the fact that you came on here before anyone else and admitted you were wrong.
I wouldn't hold your breath on there even being a Libby trial. If you want some really good background material on why I say that, go read these posts by Clarice Feldman and Doug Hanson at American Thinker here, here, here and here. Actually, read the last one first as I posted them in reverse chronological order.
Tom McGuire at JOM has also done yeoman's work on the Libby case as have many of his readers.
Retired Spook
The libby case is unraveling faster than the Haditha lie.
chuckle
And oh, so very true
Axis, do you have any proof of your theory-or is it just wishful thinking? I know there were internet rumors a month ago that Rove had already been indicted?? Will we ever really know the truth-or will we just get layer after layer of cover-ups out of the W.H.?
-- It was filed under seal, so the public does not have access to it. Gonzalez is the only one that has the authority to cripple a special prosecutors investigation and if you think he would not do it, you are on something. This is his job, to cover up for the White House, its all he has been doing since he was appointed. Covering up illegal NSA spying, covering up corruption, cracking down on government whistleblowers, threatening reporters etc.
Tom, I like your idea of Michael Moore frog hopping off to jail better. If we do both Rove & Moore, we could market it to both sides of the aisle, and make twice the money.
Whack, Whack, Whack...more 2by4 reality beatings for the lib commie moonbats.
Karl...you the Man!
More liberal media lies meeting the truth...and they wonder why their veiwers and readers are turning them off.
Axis...Alberto stopped this...smoking crack would make you...smarter.
axis, how did you get access to it, if it was under a seal?
Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories...you guys should start a blog, it might be very interesting.
At any rate, there never was anything to the Plame kerfuffle, and I expect the Libby indictment will eventually be dismissed - or, if it does go to trial, that Libby will be swiftly exhonerated.
To repeat = Joe Wilson lied about what he did in Africa, the Bush Administration set the record straight; Plame was not covert nor was her name leaked to the press, because her name was already in the public domain. This whole thing has been a figment of leftwing imagination - and, personally, I think we, the people should bring a class action suit against the DNC, MoveOn, DailyKos, DU and other leftwing outfits to recover the taxpayer money spent on this fiasco.
Axis, If it was filed under a seal, just how do you know about it?
"axis, how did you get access to it, if it was under a seal"
he still has his Super x-rayvision glasses he received for his 14th birthday.
p.s. Happy Birthday Axis, hope your 15th Birthday is every bit as wonderful as your 14th.
"Even though I disagree with you most of the time, I respect the fact that you came on here before anyone else and admitted you were wrong."
Yeah, it's that whole little league/paradox of the cross thing... power through weakness, character is shown when you lose, blah, blah, blah
"If we do both Rove & Moore, we could market it to both sides of the aisle, and make twice the money."
Cellblock 911. When two ideological opposites find themselves as cellmates, they'll find that politics DOES make strange bedfellows. It's OZ meets The West Wing.
Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories...you guys should start a blog, it might be very interesting.
-- Yes Mark, we all know that you view ANY bad news for the Republicans as a liberal conspiracy. You still can't even admit to the rampant corruption in the party, insisting that only democrats are corrupt.
When something comes along that you can't put a spin on, you say nothing and pretend it doesn't exist.
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Should you be visiting the studios of MSNBC, give Matthews a wide berth because he’ll be jumping up and down, slobbering on himself and crying uncontrollably.
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Let us all bow our heads and say a prayer for Karl Rove. God forbid Dubya do his own thinking we would all be in trouble.
Axis -I had heard it was under seal over at Truthout.org, but again there's no real proof. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch for me to believe that Gonzales would do it, though.
If true,couldn't Fitzgerald have leaked that to the media? He seems as straight an arrow as they come, and I always respected him.
With Karl Rove still in place who needs Tom Delay to kick around? Good luck Karl. Peace
Just a walk down memory lane...
"He will be indicted. Fitzgerald is a bulldog and is making absolute sure that he has Rove by the short and curlies before he officially indictes him as he knows how manipulative and slick Rove is." axis May 22
"Rove is indicted for lying to a grand jury about his role in dissimating classified information that led to the outing of a CIA agent." Tom Shipley at May 22
Libby and Rove both leaked Plame’s identity, and they have both admitted to it. Libby has been indicted for lying about it and Rove, so far, has escaped indictment, but the investigation is not over. Blarney April 13
And everyone else in this thread. All dancing about, “woo hoo! The libs are gonna lose this one! This new evidence proves Libby is going to skate! What dems are idiots." Well, guess what, idiots, none of you could answer my question as to what new evidence benefits Libby, and myself and shortz have provided evidence that, if anything, hurts Libby’s (and Rove’s) case? Tom Shipley February 5
Well, i was wrong about Rove being out of the white house by today. I will say in my defense that I chose Dec. 1 as a date because I thought the investigation would be over. I still think he has a good chance of being gone once fitzgerald's investigation ends. Tom Shipley at December 1, 2005
Actually, Fitzgerald said Libby was the first "known" person to expose a covert CIA agent. Woodward's revelation has no effect on Libby's case. Instead of winding down, Woodward gave Fitzgerald's investigation a second wind. More indictments are coming. I am guessing this time it will be Rove and/or Chaney. Christian Wright at November 22, 2005
Let's be realistic though; even with Libby and Rove gone there won't be any significant changes in the direction of the White House. I believe that the only really noticable difference will be external to the White House, in the parking lot where 2 additional parking spaces will be freed up in the Morally Handicapped section. phil at November 7, 2005
Face it, Libby and Rove blew it, and comitted a terrible act by leaking her name. Dave Johnson at November 6, 2005
kritter,
Oh, for crying out loud - THERE WAS NO INDICTMENT...never was, never will be; Truthout is one of the most bogus websites in existence...
Geesh; grasp some reality: There was never anything to the Plame kerfuffle other than the fact that Joe Wilson is a liar.
I wonder if kritter even knows that Gonzales recused himself in this case?
Hey, Dims---don't give up!! Put Ronnie Earle on the case! It might take him several grand juries, but give him enough time and he might put together one that will indict on something that was not a crime in the first place. After all, that precedent has been set.
Love axis' new conspiracy theory. 'Gonzales stifled Fitzgerald to cover up some terrible crime committed by Rove.' You gotta twist some antennae into that tinfoil on the top, axis, or the reception will continue to be fuzzy. On the other hand, fuzzy works best with you.
Tom, Fitzgerald never even inquired into Plame's status. My guess is that that would have opened a whole new can of worms, stretching from the repeated Wilson comments on his wife's job to the confirmation of her employment via a simple phone call to the CIA. It might even have dealt with her own incompetence, in telling some people she worked for the CIA and others that she worked for this supposedly secret undercover company, in getting her name on public documents as an employee of this secret company knowing that others had been told she worked for the CIA,and even for the undercover company being so badly put together and backed up that a reporter could check them out on the internet and discover they were fake in a few minutes.
Mark,
Just want to correct your statements. Joe Wilson did not lie in his original op-ed. (Try reading the damn thing instead of just commenting on right-wing spin of it.) He did not say the VP personally directed the fact-finding mission, nor did he say that the Bush administration's whole case for war was bogus; he simply reported what he found on his trip. (Nothing)
Second, you say Plame was not covert and her identity was not leaked. By their actions, both the CIA and the DOJ disagree. You mention that Valerie Plame's identity as a covert CIA agent was already "in the public domain". Please provide proof of that, otherwise stop pushing this bogus line. (And no, citing sources that mention Valerie Plame as Joe Wilson's wife DO NOT count as public knowledge of Plame's identity as a CIA agent.)
As for a class action law suit, I'll say this. Having been a participant in numerous public community meetings, I've learned a few truths. When someone starts a statement out "I think we the people should do...", that generally means that you think someone ELSE should do something. If you want a class action suit against Daily Kos, then go ahead and get started! Turn off that Fox News and get to work!
Karl last night pounded 2 John's (Kerry/Murtha) with 2 barrels. "If Murtha had his way, we would have left Iraq in April, and Zarqawi would not be dead today."
Welcome back Karl... pound the dickens out of those who wanted your hide. Watch the approval ratings of Bush rise --- Just in time for elections. Excellent!!!
Little damage from Alberto in FL, major damage by Karl in DC ---
kritter, it was reported elsewhere as well, "sealed vs. sealed" on the same day and time as Fitz was there.
As I said, I am ok with this SMALL victory, after all, Rove would have only got a couple years max for lying and obstruction. Need to get something better such as corruption or falsifying intelligence to send him away for 20 years like he should be
Love axis' new conspiracy theory. 'Gonzales stifled Fitzgerald to cover up some terrible crime committed by Rove.' You gotta twist some antennae into that tinfoil on the top, axis, or the reception will continue to be fuzzy. On the other hand, fuzzy works best with you.
-- Everything is a conspiracy theory to you. Even things that the administration has ADMITTED to, you continue to deny and write it off as a conspiracy theory.
Whats worse, a person that does not trust a government that has been lying to the public since the day they assumed office, covering up lawbreaking and frustrating congression oversight,
Or a person like you that denies everything, no matter what, no matter how much evidence shows to the contrary, no matter how many get indicted, no matter how many get sent to the slammer.
I'll take the first thanks.
People like you in Germany were the first to go into those ovens and gas showers. Denied everything, believed nothing until it was too late.
I guess I am too dumb to walk in there on my own like you though, must be that foil leaking and giving me metal poisening for not being as gulliable as you are.
axis,
You have no credibility.
You should be a fiction writer. Maybe you are!
You include facts, but spun and bundled in a story envelope of your own making.
AAR
But, but, but, but, but, but all the liberal whack jobs on here GUARANTEED this was coming only last month.
What a riot. Maybe they need to adjust their tinfoil hats a bit.
"Well, here we have it - Tom shows class as usual, Axis continues with the paranoid conspiracy theories." Mark N.
Mark, awhile back you said that Fitzgerald would indict Karl Rove regardless of the facts because it would be a good way to boost his career. So now that you've wrongly impugned Fitzgerald's ethics, are you going to show class now, or continue with paranoid conspiracy theories?
So, Rove is still guilty, no matter what that little matter of due process and rule of law says
Yeah--it's like he's Bill Clinton or something!
By the way, Mark, Steve's right and you're wrong about Plame. Not that being wrong has ever mattered to you before, but, you know, just for the sake of clarification.
Clarification??? A gallon of Windex couldn’t clarify your crap. What is clear are your tactics (lies) and they become more useless every time you try them.
And so this is Fitzmas,
Yet what do we hear?
Rove won’t be indicted,
The Bushbot end is not near.
This is not a Merry Fitxmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
There’ll be no indictment,
That’s just what Fitz said.
There is no more Justice!
All our Liberty's dead.!
This is not a Merry Fitzmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
Despite of our theories.
Despite all that we say.
Fitzgerald didn’t listen,
He let the rat get away
This is not a Merry Fitzmas!
There is nothing to cheer!
The Boshbots still rule us!
It’s the sum of our fear!
Steve,
It was when Wilson claimed he found nothing that he first lied - in his oral debriefing at CIA, his report indicated that Saddam had, indeed, attempted to obtain uranium in Niger.
This lie about what he found was just the first in a string of lies. And you really should pay attention to the fact that Wilson wrote his op-ed just a month after becoming a Kerry advisor...if you can't recognise a political hatchet-job for what it is, then you've got a really weak understanding of politics.
As for Plame - the referral was likely made by yet another CIA employee at odds with Bush Administration policy, while DOJ had to take it seriously or there would have been cries of "cover up" on the left...in the end, of course, there were still such cries, but you've got to give Ashcroft credit for trying to be fair.
Mark;
You hit the nail on the head mentioning how much this witch hunt cost the tax payers.
When the REAL CRIMINAL - Klinton was investigated all we heard from the wacko left was crying about how much the investigation cost the taxpayers.
Funny we dont hear a whimper, about how much it cost to indict ONE MAN for allegedly lying about a NON-crime from the NEO libs.
Axis- The main reason liberals wanted Rove indicted-besides the entertaining spectacle of a frog-march- was to keep him off the campaign trail in '06. I had read on some other blogs that the indictment was sealed, and that he was cooperating with Fitzgerald, who wanted to get at Cheney's involvement??? I guess we'll never know now.
It's a NEW conspiracy theory!! Now Rove is really indicted, but in SECRET, doncha know......
Actually, I read on a blog that the real Rove has been replaced by a surgically enhanced look-alike whose job is to keep Bush from being re-elected in '08, while the real Rove has been spirited off to a (gasp!) SECRET PRISON in Vermont, where he is being TORTURED for his campaign strategy secrets. It seems that Howard Dean wants to mount a comeback and plans to have the REAL Karl Rove surgically altered to look like Susan Sarandon, so no one will suspect anything as he/she accompanies Dean on the campaign trail. Rove, being a typical neocon snake in the grass who would sell his own grandmother for the chance at enough power to bomb a country or two (especially if it had OIL) will require very little in the way of brainwashing---he will just need to be desensitized to screaming in the high registers favored by Dean.
What? Bush is not even RUNNING in '08? Then why the nonstop attacks on him? You woulda thought they'd be focusing on the front runners and trying to stir up the same degree of irrational loathing for THEM, wouldn't you?
But at least we have the straight skinny on Rove. Secretly indicted. I wonder just which blog that appeared on?
Dance in the streets while you can, for this is likely one of the last good news pieces that you will have for awhile and we have 5 months of bad news to continue to report on Republican wrongdoing.
There are a dozen lawsuits before the courts suing over the NSA spying, Gonzalez is trying to block them with the states secret clause, but all it takes is ONE judge denying the motion to blow the whole lid off the NSA illegal spying and reveal all the dirty little secrets ... right at election time.
Let us not forget, that before 1994, when Republicans took control of Congress, it had been 48 years since you had done that, so the voters had traditionally preferred Democratic lawmakers and after seeing all the sleaze and corruption that this congress is all about, its going to cost you big time in November.
So do all your celebrating now, as you will be crying near the end of the year
Mark… Because of the fact that Fitzgerald is a bumbling fool, it might actually work to the left’s advantage to have the Libby case dismissed. The case is a no-win train wreck and Fitzgerald is scrambling to save face. How do you save face when you’ve spent all this time and all this money with no conviction? Well the proper thing to do would be to be to let the truth be known but that would be too big an embarrassment for him. So the next best thing is to set things up such that the case gets dismissed by a judge. That way the left could claim; 1.) The judge is in the back pocket of the White House and 2.) Libby walked from a “sure” conviction. They could ride that lie forever and some people would buy it.
Axis....you're Canadian remember? You don't mean anything to anyone, as usual.
... states secret clause?
does this mean Karl Rove is on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION?
Hahahahahahahah ... HAhahahahahaha! Oh, God, make it stop ... HAHAhahahahahahah!