It does seem odd that the left would continue to lie, especially after that lie has been exposed by the documents that have been recovered from Iraq. If the facts don't fit their agenda those facts are to be ignored.

CJ, I am betting they will say that the documents where fabricated. They have no proof of that, but they will say that so that they can continue in their delusion.

A room full of kooks being addressed by one of the head kooks.

Ha! If you got your information somewhere besides "blogs for bush",you'd realize it was cherry-picked. Numerous sources indicate this-its not just lefty paranoia anymore.

the kossacks r wearing tinfoil hats!

no $hit (see link)!!!

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha(breath)BWAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/06/11/earth_calling.html

I particularly I enjoyed reading other comments from Harry Reid during the 'yearlykos' conference, such as “We need you to be our megaphone.” This is further evidence of the Democrat leadership pandering to the far left by supporting the very same blogger who practically rejoiced in the death of four Americans in Falluja in 2003 (“…I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries…Screw them.”)

Matt, why are the republicans so afraid of the SSC Phase Two Investigation?

If bush did nothing wrong, than why the stall?

Did crazy Harry wear his tinfoil hat? Those idots lie so much and so frequently that they don't even know they're doing it.

Did crazy Harry wear his tinfoil hat? Those idots lie so much and so frequently that they don't even know they're doing it.

“This is further evidence of the Democrat leadership pandering to the far left…” Posted by: Bryan

What was Justice Sunday than? Speakers at Justice Sunday include:
Bill Frist
Tom Delay
Rick Santorum

It is funny how none of these “gents” will be in office much longer (Delay already out.

Well... I guess you can say the man knows his audience.

it's quite funny (and noteworthy) all the attention here being lavished on the yearlykos conference. as is standard fare, those commenters who have to resort to name-calling and baseless smearing reveal to all how little else they have to fall back on when confronted with a political reality that very much favors their opponents.

can you smell the fear in the air.

Look, one question we might want to consider is why this lie persists and will persist. You've hit the nail on the head with the "still want to believe it" line.

If you believe, as a Democrat, that you stand for populism and progress and democracy, then what must your opponents be? They must be oligarchs, reactionaries, would-be tyrants. It doesn't matter if they're telling the truth, because their motives are skewed - they only want war for their gain.

Against this machine, all resistance is justified, and it isn't futile. So what if someone gets elected President on a lie, as long as that lie is part of what the people believe? The point is that the people are united, and speaking as one. Whereas in this case, where some people have "truth" and "morals" there is a disjunct between the leaders and the led, and the means used for combat have to be whatever works on the oppressed side.

You might say I'm going overboard, and I feel like I am, but that's the only sort of reasoning that can explain what we're seeing, other than saying Harry Reid is a liar and Democrats are gullible.

"The first part of creating a mass movement is the mythic idea.. We put the myth out there that America was in chaos. America was not in chaos. … When 100,000 people marched on the Pentagon in 1967, we put out the myth that America was divided in two. America was not divided in two. But we put the myth out there and what happened, by ’69, ’70, America was divided in two." - Jerry Rubin

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Dems lie, and people die.

Holy cow, bringing back Jerry Rubin? Jerry Friggin' Rubin?

b, at least get your own aphorism. (Bush) lied, people died is already taken.

I am tired of these loony “Deaniacs” with their anti-American blather, like this winnut:

“Since the Iraq war was obviously a gross blunder, is it time for those of us who cheered on the war to offer some kind of apology? Here we are—we, the United States—in our fourth year of occupying that sinkhole, and it looks pretty much like the third year, or the second. Will the eighth year of our occupation, or our twelfth, look any better?”

Oh, I’m sorry that was John Derbyshire.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmYxNjgzMjFkMTQ3MDE1ZTIyYzFlNDc3ZWFlZjY4NzI=

hey no wonder tin foil is up 26% for the year damn KKKOS kiddies been buying it all up.

Kritter....sources please. Actual, real sources please.

Thank you

Did we find any WMD's? Scott Ritter and others told us we wouldn't. Did bush apologize for putting "13 words" into his State of the Union address that were lies? Yes he did. Did he break the law by using the NSA to spy on Americans? Specter say's he did. bush must be impeached to save the republic. Peace

Did we find any WMD's? Scott Ritter and others told us we wouldn't. Did bush apologize for putting "13 words" into his State of the Union address that were lies? Yes he did. Did he break the law by using the NSA to spy on Americans? Specter say's he did. bush must be impeached to save the republic. Peace

Steve...yes, we did find WMDs in Iraq.

Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

etc,etc

Was it the quantity we expected, no. But yes we did find them.

Next

Steve is a moron who's using up valuable oxygen. It was 14 words, moron. And Specter is not the law of the land; he's a disgrace. Just as much as you're a moron. Steve must be ignored to save the republic--from morons. War

steve.......
for the love of.............either learn to read, and/or go back on your meds!!!

There are few things funnier than watching the Libs scurry.

(Note: I need to remember to capitalize Liberal when speaking of the loony left, as it was pointed out to me that in the old days the word "liberal" was not the pejorative it is today. But in recognition that the word itself, before it got hijacked by nutcases, was a legitimate word for some very noble aspirations, from now on it will set apart by a capital L to designate its alternate meaning, which is Illiberal Self-Described Liberal Who Illustrates Tolerance By Being Totally Intolerant, Sensitivity By Being Totally Insensitive, and Liberalism By Being Totally Unaccepting Of Anything Not Far Far Far Radical Left.)

but steve and bloviator (whose comment on what he could smell reminded me of the guy who farts and then looks around to see who he can blame for the stink) and Ash and Barmy do provide some comic relief, as they frantically try to prove that the Left is not insane by posting every insane thing they can think of.

BTW, stevie, it was 16 words, they were NOT lies---he said Britain believed something, and Britain did in fact believe it. Still does. Mostly cause it's true. Even your hero, Joe Wilson, reported to the CIA that the people in Niger, while they were not absolutely sure the people trying to buy yellowcake were acting for the Iraqis, they thought they were. He lied later in his NYT piece about his report. (HEADLINE; LEFTY LIES TO TRY TO SMEAR PREs. Sorry---that's not even news anymore, just SOP.)

He merely apologized for quoting the Brits, or for not checking it out with the CIA first to see if they agreed with the Brits---I forget which. In any case, it was a non-story, though much beloved by the looniest of the left. (steve)

To this day, not one single person can prove that he lied, as no one can prove that the Brits did not believe that. Yes, Xango Annie, it might help steve if he could read, but he'd still have to be able to understand without Mother Ranty telling him what it meant and what to think about it.

There are few things funnier than watching the Libs scurry.

(Note: I need to remember to capitalize Liberal when speaking of the loony left, as it was pointed out to me that in the old days the word "liberal" was not the pejorative it is today. But in recognition that the word itself, before it got hijacked by nutcases, was a legitimate word for some very noble aspirations, from now on it will set apart by a capital L to designate its alternate meaning, which is Illiberal Self-Described Liberal Who Illustrates Tolerance By Being Totally Intolerant, Sensitivity By Being Totally Insensitive, and Liberalism By Being Totally Unaccepting Of Anything Not Far Far Far Radical Left.)

but steve and bloviator (whose comment on what he could smell reminded me of the guy who farts and then looks around to see who he can blame for the stink) and Ash and Barmy do provide some comic relief, as they frantically try to prove that the Left is not insane by posting every insane thing they can think of.

BTW, stevie, it was 16 words, they were NOT lies---he said Britain believed something, and Britain did in fact believe it. Still does. Mostly cause it's true. Even your hero, Joe Wilson, reported to the CIA that the people in Niger, while they were not absolutely sure the people trying to buy yellowcake were acting for the Iraqis, they thought they were. He lied later in his NYT piece about his report. (HEADLINE; LEFTY LIES TO TRY TO SMEAR PREs. Sorry---that's not even news anymore, just SOP.)

He merely apologized for quoting the Brits, or for not checking it out with the CIA first to see if they agreed with the Brits---I forget which. In any case, it was a non-story, though much beloved by the looniest of the left. (steve)

To this day, not one single person can prove that he lied, as no one can prove that the Brits did not believe that. Yes, Xango Annie, it might help steve if he could read, but he'd still have to be able to understand without Mother Ranty telling him what it meant and what to think about it.

can you smell the fear in the air.

Posted by: bloviator at June 12, 2006 02:33 PM

Bwabwabwaaaahaaaaaaabwahhaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa,...............bwabwabwahahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaa..........whew gotta catch my breath..........................................bwawabwabwaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!

Actually blovi, it's the terrorist and there apologist(you), that are petrified with fear, and for a very good reason!

Reid says "alfredo" ... I say "alberto" ... let's call the whole thing off.

Almiranta: I prefer neorad over Liberal, any day. It's very catchy.

And, you're right. No one can prove President Bush lied, and no one can disprove the WMD found in Iraq.

Reid says "alfredo", I say "alberto" ... let's call the whole thing off. He must have misnamed the 1st hurricane of the season after lunch.

Almiranta: I prefer NEORAD over Liberal. Has such a nice ring to it. And you're right. No one has been able to prove President Bush lied, and no one can disprove we found WMD in Iraq. You go, girl.

Steve...yes, we did find WMDs in Iraq.

Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

etc,etc

Was it the quantity we expected, no. But yes we did find them.

-- Warrior, please if you are going to lie or mislead, at least make it a good one. Steve was not talking about all these WMD's that were conficated or destroyed by UN weapons inspectors since 1991, we all know that no weapons were found after you invaded, Even Rumsfeld admitted that on live television. NONE. Everything was destroyed before they got there. Most LONG before, years and years ago.

Axis: Here is an earlier post from Almiranta regarding the WMD that we found in Iraq. She was right on the money, too.

We have witnesses to the construction of WMD. We have captured rockets whose only purpose was to deliver WMD. We have found sarin and anthrax, just not tons of either. We have testimony from people who helped ship heavy metal bottles marked with signs indicating poisons or toxic materials, on converted passenger planes flying established and allowed passenger schedules and routes into Syria. We have testimony from scientists who worked on nuclear projects, one of whom led US officers to illegal nuclear development machinery buried in his yard. We have satellite tapes and photos of convoys of tractor-trailers moving across the Syrian border. We have the testimony of a former high-ranking Iraqi that there were carefully established protocols for removing WMD in case of a threat to Iraq, backed by Russia and China---protocols which were enacted. We have traces of WMD in several of the buildings which we knew were factories, with markers to indicate that they were of recent manufacture and not left over from the days before we pulled Sadaam's teeth and turned him into a genial empty suit with no power and no influence.

Not only that, we have hours and hours of audio tape of Sadaam and his top aides boasting how they fooled the "dumb UN" and what to do with their WMD if the US attacks.

Kimberly, you are missing the point. No one is disputing that Iraq HAD WMD's. Regan, your Republican godsend sold them to him for goodness sakes. Republicans used to be buddy, buddy with old Saddam, posing with him. His murderous tyranny never bothered you then.

Then, Daddy Bush invaded in 91 and between that and the weapons inspectors, they are all taken away or destroyed well before you invaded. Bush even LIED about the inspectors, telling you that Saddam had refused to allow them to inspect, when the truth was he told the inspectors to get out as they were going to start bombing.

Warrior-
Read Paul Pillar's article in Foreign Affairs-the March edition "Intelligence, Policy and the War in Iraq". He was the national intel officer for the Near East and South Asia 2000-2005.

This assertion is also held up by the Downing Street Memo.
Let me know if you need more sources.